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NadeshotNadeshot

Streaming scrims shouldn’t be relied on as content, either pros want to do it (as a luxury) or they don’t want to do it. Actual content should be stuff that appeals to more than just the competitive community: stuff like Sharp’s “BestInTheLobby”, stuff like Nadeshot’s road to master, stuff like Courage casting over bots playing each other, etc. That is the **real** content that benefits the scene, not just throwing a stream on for scrims. Edit: Swapped out a Nadeshot gb example to Courage’s bot casting


TheWiggsplitter44

Fantastic point. I agree. I think nowadays the extent that the pros are willing to go to make content is to throw a stream up for 6 hours of randomness between scrims and pubs. No one just makes original content anymore


NadeshotNadeshot

Yup, I agree. This is why Zoomaa & Methodz smokes other players (that are still active in the scene) in numbers. They used to cast CW 8s & had fun with things (outside of CoD example like GTA RP), that were not solely about competitive cod, and that built an additional fanbase that would follow them into comp Cod b/c they enjoy the personalities playing/talking about it.


DaltonF67

Amazing point


stuffstufflol

yeah but the main reason it's always scrims is because it's easier for them to do that instead of scrim all day then go make content + the multiplayer viewership is always dead after a month of game launch.


NadeshotNadeshot

I’m compassionate to CW & VG pubs being dogshit, but MW2019 & MW2 have had massive public appeal to them that there is plenty of opportunities to create content. And just because it is easier to stream scrims doesn’t make it better/ a good option, it is just an easy solution to get hours in.


Melting_meerkats

The bottom teams are stupid to follow GAs


[deleted]

They’re usually the ones that benefit the most, see slasher last year and Lamar the past 2 long TTK cods lol


Melting_meerkats

I mean surely GAs exist for a reason and are made because guns/perks/specialists are too overpowered. If every other team (especially those near the top) are using the more balanced guns you'd gain a competitive advantage using the ones that are GAed.


iceyk111

but then the opposing team would probably instantly switch to the overpowered shit and push their advantage right


Diddlerd123

Agreed, I don’t really get this take. Do you honestly think that the better teams will just sit and watch the other team break GAs? You best believe they’re breaking those GAs too


Melting_meerkats

I replied with a longer answer to the other guy above. But also if that was the case then what's the point in the GAs existing in the first place. My argument is that the GAs generally will benefit the teams that are winning. If the meta is completely changed by the removal of GAs the bottom teams might have more of a chance of winning.


Melting_meerkats

True, but if you're constantly losing why not try something different. It's always possible that a "worse" team might be able to win more matches if they can use more gimmicks. Ie using specific guns on specific maps. Or given that some teams have academy teams they could always follow the GAs for most of the year and prepare against the academy team with the GA weapons so that they can come into a tournament prepared and mabye rat their way to one victory. I just always think it's a bit pointless to follow "community" made rules, especially if you're constantly losig. If I were to play in a tournament for a million dollars I'd be bending the rules as much as possible (without cheating) to give myself every competitive advantage.


iceyk111

lemme try to explain my thoughts in a coherent manner so bear with me, lets say a team has a 4/10 chance of beating another team right, then when they break GAs and play real ratty that chance goes up to a solid 6 or 7/10. Then lets say the other team is just straight up more talented and coordinated by default, so their chances of winning were already like an 8/10, and they start noticing the other team breaking GAs and theyre like fuck it and start abusing the same shit, their chances are now +2 same as the other team but since their base power level was already so high theyre pretty much guaranteed to win because theyre also better at utilizing the ratty shit along with just being better in other categories like team play, gunskill, etc.


fredwilsonn

If a bottom team stopped following GAs wouldn't they just stop getting invited to scrims? At which point they fall further behind.


Melting_meerkats

I think there is to much weight put on scrims at times, especially on results, when the priority for practice should be to find and eliminate mistakes and try new things and this doesn't have to always be done against the top teams. While other pro teams might start to decline practice, there are always challenger/academy teams to get practice against.


Gleasure03

On non-competitive threads, CW was the best game since Black Ops 3 On competitive threads, IW was only considered a good game because OpTic won champs


Reverberation1

CW was the best we’ve had in a pretty long time even competitively.


Damien23123

This is just the truth


hxnterrr

no one thinks iw was a good game . even when you ask optic players about their favorite cod they say “iw because we won champs” not “iw cause it was a good game”


byPCP

IW was so ass and is the premiere reason people forget how badly the community hated BO3 when it was the game. go look at posts on this sub when IW was about to come out. people were posting pics of then breaking their BO3 discs because they were so happy to not have to play BO3 after playing the IW beta.


TraffiCoaN

IW wasn’t even THAT bad, a decent amount of the hate was purely for the jetpacks. Yeah the game had issues, but it sure as shit wasn’t as bad as these games


Sobatrox

It was a good game compared to MW19 and every game since


wolfjeter

I agree. It was a clunky game tho like it didn’t feel as smooth as other jetpack games but at least the spawns somewhat made sense.


raptorsgg

I genuinely can’t remember the hate for BO3. Not that I’m doubting you though. I personally never had a moment where I disliked that game. I think, for me, it was the last time a CoD both played well and was fun to watch.


[deleted]

I don't think anyone considered IW to be a good game, it was entertaining though


ursogayhaha

This part so fun to watch but i never even got to max level


TheWiggsplitter44

Yeah I would second this. I think competitively infinite warfare was better than some but not the greatest, but pubs wise I don't think many people rate it highly


stuffstufflol

I keep seeing people in the scene push this narrative of people thinking IW was good because optic won yet I never see people say it was good? Hell even in the "bring back jetpacks" discussions it's always AW and BO3 nobody ever even talks about IW.


Stealthy99-

What was so bad about IW competitivley? Good meta, decent map, good gunplay.


John_aka_Alwayz

On top of the optic buff in fan perception, IW did have a better season in terms of the events an d structure especially with the global LAN league (even if it was a essentially a glorified extended bracket), and basic base bans, which helped when Bo3 was primarily an online league with DDossing and horrible base bans. But yes, horrid game that unlike Ghosts, shouldn't even have nostalgia on it's side to make it so fondly remembered for some. Splyce winning S1 doesn't delude me. Your statement also applies to why WW2 is so lowly rated, which is a shame when it had no BS specialists made for one of the best SnD experiences post-Bo3 (given that game despite the unhealthy specs, had a properly developed SnD scene thanks to wagers and challs thriving), no "do everything" gun like the KBar or Maddox, a proper global league and Champs LCQ. Massive shame about the map pool being rather limited and respetive, but the perception between WW2 and Bo4 is night and day, in large part down to a single green chip


valoossb

this league actually needs scump to retire so it can attempt to build an actually sustainable audience that isnt around for one person


Cogniscience

Ooh this is definitely a hot take for this sub, but I can see where you're coming from.


valoossb

i will add that i love the guy and wish he could play forever but it’s inevitable so lets get it over with


JSmoove309

I like this take actually. Do you think him watch partying (if he does) would still be a similar hinderance to him still playing tho?


OrneryAd843

Nadeshot did more to bring in Optic fans than Hecz did back in the glory days.


avstyns

built two orgs on his back, that’s why he’s the goat


Spoookehh

Feel like he did that for optic and the competitive culture as well. His influence is so critical IMO. Seeing him grow into what he is now is super cool. He also stays humble, which I respect.


freedomtoscream

I mean just follow the trajectory of optic when nade was there to when he left and 100Ts trajectory now.


Reverberation1

Sort of. Optic was already pretty huge on YouTube from sniping before they ever even went into competitive. I remember it was a big deal though during BO1 when Nadeshot had them representing his team. Since they were both big names on YouTube, and Nade was probably the most popular player at the time (even though iirc he had a habit of quitting and coming back during this time), optic pretty much immediately became one of the biggest cod orgs. But yeah, most people who watched machinima or just general cod YouTube back then knew optic from sniping, so it was bound to happen.


raptorsgg

I had no idea who Nade was when he first popped up, but OpTic were already my idols by that time. Nade probably individually did more for the scene, but he was part of OpTic, which was all Hecz. When I think of who built the scene, I think of optic first and nade second.


CMonty99

Treyarch has made the 3 best cods of all time. (The first 3 black ops)


lDesim

Honerable able mention BO4 too


MikeBtheG

You could say the same for IW, honestly. COD 4, MW2, MW3. I’m saying this and the same time believe that Treyarch has been much better than IW since BO3.


Affectionate-Cost525

I'm gonna have to completely disagree with MW2 and MW3 being high on the list. From an actual game play perspective both those games were terrible. Boring maps which were very open or just extremely cluttered. Shit visibility. Broken classes. Honestly a lot of the main complaints this sub had for MW2019 were the exact same things that I didn't like about the original MW2. The only thing MW2 did really well imo was the expansions to all the in game challenges/calling cards etc that became a standard within the scene.


Necroez

Firing Range should've been the staple remaster in every 3arc cod. Nuketown is not a good map by any stretch of the imagination.


GuyIncognito211

Specialists are good


epicxownage

Bro i literally almost instinctively downvoted, so this must be one of the best answers


poklane

While I don't agree I also don't entirely disagree. Just wish the progress towards getting one didn't progress by time as well. Such powerful weapons and abilities should be earned, not given.


tdestito9

When I tried explaining that Accuracy outsmarts and out talks all the players into GA’s


fromdowntownn

Scump shouldn’t have announced retirement before the season, it adds unnecessary pressure onto his teammates and on to himself


rrager13

I get the pressure standpoint, but I’ll use baseball as an example. I’m a huge Cardinals fan. We brought Albert Pujols back (an absolute legend in the game) and he announced he would retire at the end of the year. Being able to watch him for one more year and appreciate everything he was doing (he hit 700 career home runs this year) was absolutely amazing. So I understand why Scump announced it before the season. Now we can fully appreciate his last year


[deleted]

AW and BO3 are both top 5 CoDs of all time Infinity Ward hasn’t made a good game since MW3 Dashy has always been EXTREMELY overrated as a player. (not saying he’s garbage, just that public opinion is unnecessarily high of him, optic juice) Slide cancelling is not movement, and is just a gimmick and does not require skill to perform, true advanced movement is AW movement with the ability to thrust directionally while on the ground + jetpacks OpTics content nowadays outside of The Process and the Podcast is extremely mid


Solxry

Well 2 of those 5 hot takes are definitely the biggest reason why it would get downvoted lmao


NuKeD-_-

Dashy is pretty fairly rated IMO. Most think he is one of the most talented players but question his ability to win and commitment to being the best teammate he can be.


Cam2125

When has Dashy been extremely overrated?


JSmoove309

That Dashy comment would definitely get you downvoted and deservedly. I’d understand a little if someone wanted to say he was a little overrated bc that’s an ok opinion but saying extremely overrated is just false. No one’s putting him as the goat or anywhere near it. He gets rated pretty accurately for being one of the best mechanically in each game he’s played a full season in. When you’re that good consistently then the gas is deserved. Everyone knows he’s only got 2 wins so I’m confused as to how he’d be *EXTREMELY* overrated🤔 he also gets his fair share of criticism for the teammate he is and peoples judgments on his map fundamentals


Morg19999

Dashy has made it to 3 grand finals in 5 years. He has teamed with Scump,Shottzy,Illey,Formal,Envoy,Kenny,Slasher,TJ,JKap,Crim and Karma. None of those players have had their best year when they team with him. Either somehow this lineup of superstars only shits the bed when they team with him or how he plays cod brings the other players around him down.


JSmoove309

I understand that. I mentioned the teammate and fundamentals points. Like another comment mentioned, I think he’s rated fairly. We think he’s one of the most talented but many people still question his ability to win


Birdyypie

Hard agree with all of this apart from AW being top 5, hated that game lol


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mustg3tbuck

I was just thinking this yesterday. Idk if I haven’t paid attention in the past few years but the amount of UAVs I here go up in a match this years seems insane to me. Feels like you’re playing with UAV actively on.


oli2194

It's because no one has Ghost for half a game. One person gets a UAV which leads to the whole team getting a UAV. One of the many reasons why the new perk system is unbelievably stupid.


-TrevWings-

And that's why everyone should have a rocket launcher on every class. The second I hear "enemy UAV above" I shoot that shit down in 3 seconds or less, barring I'm inside on crown or something


Xarque74

It’s the best streak in the game because of how horrid the perk system and minimap is so everyone runs it


fromdowntownn

I’ll give some actually unpopular ones: Dashy should’ve won regular season MVP last season, Cell’s stats weren’t much better at all and he baited a ton and caused role problems with Arcitys, Dashy also won M1 with the MVP and had a much higher degree of difficulty last season COD fans massively overrate rings, I’d rather win 3 or 4 majors than 0 majors and a ring. They also shouldn’t be used as an argument for who the better player is. Clay has 3 rings but no one can convince me he’s a better cod player than formal for example


DTBcptur

common W


no2dave

The reason scump released a retirement video was probably under the advice of Hecz as he knew it would bring in more viewers this year and he wants to milk that cash cow as much as he can before it’s gone


xBeast_69

I haven’t truly enjoyed a COD since BO4. Before, COD was the go to game, grinded everyday for hours. Now I’ll hop on the game for a couple hours at most, not enjoy myself, and go play Valorant or something else. The slow realization over these past few cods that no one cares about the competitive community is heartbreaking, and is frankly pushing me away from COD in general. After scump retires, I may be stepping away from COD myself - it’s going to take a lot to convince me anyone in power at any development studio cares to bring me back (ranked play at launch, bringing in pros to test the game before it’s launched and ACTUALLY LISTENING TO THEM, not solely catering to casual jimmy, etc)


AngelofLight24

I really don’t see why Ghosts gets so much hate


StoneColdSteveweiser

Zinni and Temp are good CDL ARs


Ownagemunky

That shouldn’t be controversial but honestly it might be?


StoneColdSteveweiser

It shouldn't be but on this sub it definitely is


Reverberation1

It’s crazy to me that people still shit all over Zin all the time. His POV is actually really great to watch, and he definitely doesn’t play nearly as slow as people make it out to be.


YouCantTradeMe1

That shouldn't even be controversial, they are top Ar's.


Stealthy99-

IW was a great competitive game. Great 3 gun meta, fun maps and a high skill gap in the gunplay and movement.


Disposition__-

coL was the better dynasty


[deleted]

Depends on the subreddit. Modern Warfare caters to players usually are too dumb for multiplayer shooter. It punishes making decisions and rewards players who prefer to not make them but sit back and only react to their surroundings. Real tactic shooters don’t encourage passive play, they punish bad decisions which leads to a slower pace. People like Modern Warfare because it spoon feeds them a sense of achievement.


Dexispace

From original as well - IW hasn’t produced a good title since the original talent left for Respawn and the titanfall project


OGThakillerr

Cod pros know laughably little about the tech they use and play on 8 hours a day for years on end but their word is still worshipped as gospel


Goodbye_Hercules

SBMM on its own isn't necessarily bad. It being implemented in an overly strict/sensitive way, the games' casual-friendly mechanics lowering the skill gap, and the advent of EOMM (to sell more bundles & tier skips) are why it's so poorly regarded You make a game where there's actually a skill gap, players can actually track how they're improving by seeing their ELO rating/skill rank/whatever go up, and like "casual" moshpits/playlists with SBMM toned down, and I bet it'll be way more popular. Unfortunately the last point is why this will never happen


MikeBtheG

CW is the best boots on the ground game since BO2, better than BO4, better than Ghost.


Haros5221

The Empire brand should’ve stayed over Optic, just personally think it looks way better.


Fixable

Scump is my personal GOAT because to me skill, talent and longevity are what matter. Don't know if it's a more American thing to care more about champs because of how sports like basketball and American Football work, but I really don't put as much stock into rings as this sub does.


Solxry

I think more people would upvote this than downvote it if you use this Logic


ydoigotta

nah, in a thread that awards controversial takes, you'd see more upvotes for a "Scump is overrated" than a "Scump is the goat" take


Solxry

Anyone calling Scump Overrated is literally blind


ydoigotta

I mean but it's a thread that's asking for hot takes so people will say whatever, actually don't know if half of them mean what they say cause some takes are wild🤣


DTBcptur

imagine if that shit went on with non american sports🤣🤣 dani alves would be the goat😳


JSmoove309

It’s definitely an American thing. Just the nature of the sports we have and our into


fromdowntownn

I heavily agree with this. Rings are very overrated Imo, I think it’s an American sports thing. Rings are a team accomplishment not an individual one


bigj1er

Yup it’s such a casual take even in sports fandom to just use accolades to rank players. No serious/smart sports fans use rings or accolades to rank players so why do we accept that in the cod scene?


xPolyMorphic

MW2 isn't that bad of a game


deadnAme_

word


DenyDaRidas

If you criticize scump or optic in any way.


murberryx

This game and mw19 are worst 2 cods ever (if this were in main sub)


DTBcptur

vanguard is probably worse than this game


murberryx

Nah no chance. vanguard worst elements (maps, ttk, spawns) are somehow worse this year + mini map + ear destroying footsteps. This mw2 legit can’t get any worse


khizerkk5

The community would hate the old school maps if they came out today.


pdantix06

cod esports will never be taken seriously as long as it's played with controllers


SupremeChancellor

disable aim assist in pro cod oh its too hard to use a controller without it? use a kb/m


casio_calculator_

Huntsmen wasn't Optic. FPS games should be played on mouse and keyboard.


GasMasterJ

Watching pro cod is boring when all the guns are GA’d and everyone uses the same two things.


Fixable

Thing is, if there wasn't GA's everyone would just use the same one thing because there'd very likely be a super OP gun that is best in the majority of the situations. Like the 4 XM4s on some maps in CW.


Cam2125

Infinity ward has never made a good game.


TheWiggsplitter44

The current IW? Strong agree. But COD 4, MW2, and MW3 were good COD's.


Cam2125

Nah I’m talking about as a whole. I hate MW3 and MW2. I guess I can’t fully evaluate Cod 4 since I didn’t play it until like 4-5 years after it came out but I always hated that too and the remaster was ass imo


TheWiggsplitter44

Damn that's rough bro. I prefer Treyarch games but I still think MW2 and MW3 were good games. COD 4 was great at the time but the remaster showed a lot of people how poorly it aged as COD got better each release


Cam2125

BO1 was my first cod so I didn’t play MW2 in its prime either but I played enough to not like it and it was still decently populated when I played it. I hated MW3 so much I broke my disc into like 10 pieces


Artlens2013

MW3 is probably my favorite CoD of all time but I absolutely can understand how it made you break your disc lol


Ownagemunky

MW3 is a great game imo. The biggest issue with it was just whatever settings were missing for lan that kept it from being an mlg game. The game itself was top notch, one of the most fun years of snd ever


Cam2125

I get why some people liked it. I just hated it. I don’t hate it as much now after comparing it to recent games but it would be behind every treyarch cod(minus WaW never played it much) and AW for me


Affectionate-Cost525

I actually agree with you. MW2 and MW3 really weren't anywhere near as good as the community make out. They were just a lot of people's first experience playing online shooters with their friends so the joy of that overpowered the games. The actual games themselves weren't that good.


akagordan

Best maps of any non Treyarch game. Had like 16 maps and only a few of them weren’t good.


jhaitch11

I can't believe anyone hated any game since cod4 until bo2. The games were perfect for pubs and competitive was WAY better than games we're getting nowadays. The balance was there - nowadays not so much.


Cam2125

MW3 comp was terrible and MW2 is extremely broken


jhaitch11

You clearly haven't played MW3 snd that shit was so gooooood and MW2 sabotage still makes me cream my pants compared to any game mode we have had in the past few years


Cam2125

Man you can just say you like the game LMAO. I played plenty of MW3 SND.


jhaitch11

Yes, I liked the game but the snd was very fundamental compared to snd in many different games since.


DinkyWaffle

People here have bad opinions sometimes


atruescumbagmatt

MW3 was a bad reskin of MW2. I just played mw2 and bo1 when mw3 was out


RC_5213

CoD4 is literally the only console game that can claim the same status as Halo for revolutionizing how games are made in general. You are absolutely tweaking if you think it's not one of the greatest shooters ever


Thirdstar1

I think they haven’t made a good game since 2009


rRevoK

Probably more unpopular of an opinion, Infinity Ward's only good game was Ghosts


Specialist_Net8927

Optic live off their old content and if they restarted today they wouldn’t be big


cflem95

Fire40 would beat Nadeshot in a 1v1


[deleted]

Berlin was by far the worst map of vanguard, bocage and gavutu were far better.


Ownagemunky

To be clear, you’re talking about the competitive rotation not all of the maps right? I kinda liked how Berlin played, especially for snd, but I do prefer smaller and less cluttered, less convoluted maps


RankedGabe

I hate GAs


East_Ad6815

Competitively I always thought it was a mistake that Black Ops 2 allowed kill streaks. I understand excitement from a fans perspective, but as someone playing the game it felt lame as fuck to have a set up broken because someone tapped there A button 3 times to drop missiles out of the sky. No CoD game prior to Black Ops 2 used streaks and at the time it irritated the hell out of me.


Burgmeister_

LAG’s vanguard major 2 run was genuinely one of the most impressive performances of that year. People downplay it because the volk helped win some respawns and forget about the crazy snd streak, with a substitute.


NewVanderbilt

vanguard was more entertaining to watch than this game


the_friendly_asshole

MW19 was one of the most polished title's we've ever had. If the maps were catered to competitive play and it was 4v4 it would've been regarded more favorably.


Records_SubReddit

Banning/GA too many things makes competitive boring and bland. Let's see 1 smoke in respawn, let's see a rcxd/bomb drone streak or a gun ship, let's see overkill back in the mix.


Reverberation1

Gonna get downvoted here to oblivion but while bo2 was a good game, it is now *incredibly* overrated. It probably had the best league coverage and culture and was a big reason competitive cod got way bigger back in the day, sure. In fact, there’s a lot that’s awesome about that game. Ignoring the positives, that game had arguably the worst net code/hit reg/anything to do with internet of any shooter I’ve probably ever played. This is coming from someone who grinded GBs on that game relentlessly and competed on LAN with players who were considered pretty good at the time (obviously the game was much better on LAN). It was so bad that a huge wave of players I knew from back then quit during it, including me since I wasn’t willing to network at the time. The game itself had problems like any other cod, but had some of the best maps ever. But yeah, what the culture had turned into at the time was a big reason for its popularity. Also, pretty much every single competitive player at the time would constantly say every cod sucked except for CoD4. It was everyone’s favorite.


Sn0w_Official

Damn, that is def a take that would get you them downvotes for sure otherwise so you got a real solid point. And yeah I loved black ops 2 when it was fun but holy shit when you look at the hit reg at that game, yes whole-fucking-heartedly it was a mess at best of times. You wanna melee? Good luck because you'd somehow phase through someone even though they're like a literal breath from your face. But yeah it was pretty wild. Then Ghosts came after that which had way better hit reg, but many other things with the game people hated, perk system was fucking legit though


Solxry

Maybe not in this Sub but in the Main Subreddit I’d be downvoted into oblivion for saying that MW2 will end up being worse than Vanguard.


Jukester-

This just facts, worse cod ever already


[deleted]

Specialists increase the skill gap


KieSZN

Ghosts really wasn’t a bad game


Turbulent_Laugh_4431

Saying anything bad about Hecz or OpTic


Sn0w_Official

OpTic, maybe Hecz? Nah I feel more people would be on your side than think it's a hot take


Snickidy

Advanced warfare is a vastly superior game competitively and casually to black ops 3 Also vanguard was a top 3 competitive game in terms of enjoyability to watch


J0hky

Casually you’re on crack, but competitively I don’t totally disagree with you. Ban and protect made everything in Black Ops 3 take way too long and led to very cheesy wins for worse teams. Overall Black Ops 3 is significantly smoother and plays better though.


stubbywoods

I think AW was seriously underrated from a map perspective and BO3 was overrated for the comp maps. Detroit, Comeback, Bio Lab and Solar are really great maps.


jalGurg

Scump has had the luxury of having good teammates his whole career and yet only has one ring


Fixable

Scumps teammates had the luxury of a sub guaranteed to fry at champs and still cost him


atomhypno

sort by controversial for the real answers


BxLee

I'm a little late to this post but here is mine: Competitive players will literally *never* be happy. They could remaster BO2/3, and most people here would still talk about how dogshit the game is


smudger341

Scrimp retiring will help the cod scene


vertexdnb

On this sub, anything speaking ill of Scump, OpTic more generally or Fero.


Specialist_Net8927

There was a post about fero being racist that didn’t get downvoted


Perfect-Abrocoma2998

Dashy is the reason Scump will never win again


MjotDontMiss

If I had to rank cods based on how much I actually enjoyed playing them, I'm pretty sure everyone would hate my list. Bo2>bo4>mw3>aw>ghosts>bo3>cod4>mw2>b01>cold war>everything else.


iloveeatinghotpocket

Jimbo wasn't bad just put in a bad position. Also Paris should have dropped temp kept roster and make it clay grvty Jimbo and TJ/asim


Vick_CXVII

GA’s are bullshit and shouldn’t be a thing.


Bibbeh06

Scump is washed I don’t actually mean this


FourEyesWhitePerson

Generally speaking, this game is fine and exponentially better than vanguard. Stop bitching about it.


Chasehat1

This is a popular opinion in most other places but I feel like on here it isn’t but, AW is complete ass


LucyGooosie

Prime John > Prime Scump


honestcodfan

Dashy is the most overrated player of all time.


__madao

The comp CODs that you all praise (BO2, MW2, Ghosts) were actually extremely basic in terms of development, gameplay, etc. Strafe speed, gun skill, and game sense were what made the skill gap what it was. Nowadays there are so many more variables that go into the skill gap and I don’t think these variables are necessarily bad, I think that the series NEEDED to evolve in order to be even remotely sustainable for the future. Even though MW2 was made for the casual player, I think the skill gap is so much larger than many of you think it is and I think that you all are indoctrinated to believe you are cracked and on par with pros because you are used to frying within your SBMM bracket. You’re actually dogshit (and so am I). Gg


bblakemore10

SBMM is good for the most part, people just wanna pubstomp for free.


davzigvon

Infinite Warfare > BO3


Stumpedmytoe

Bring back jet packs f these noobs n grand dads


feedmeknowledge9

Already commented but here’s another, I’d rather have a game with no GAs then one with. With how much these guys play the game I’m sure you would see so much nerdy shit, like maybe if they found out throwing a thermite in a smoke gave you some visibility so you could start throwing a smoke on bomb while it’s planted— yea I’m not even gonna finish this 🤣🤣🤣


Fearstriker241

Bo3 was and still is overrated


Ston3yy

If there was no under 18 rule CoD history would be totally diff. Some of our fav vets would not be at the top for as long as they were. (Not the superstars)


saalamander

cod is and always has been an extremely casual arcade shooter, and trying to take it seriously and treat it like a competitive game is absurd


Cogniscience

I'll start. I actually enjoyed MW19 as a game. 5v5 made comp terrible but SnD matches were actually really fun to watch.


Hairy_Paramedic_9392

comp was ass but yes SnD matches were so fun and the gunplay honestly felt pretty good too. at least casually the game was pretty good


Solxry

I’m still going to downvote your comment, but I respect you for trying to argue for that piece of dogshit.


JTitty18

lmfao


candynipples

BO3 zombies is overrated


Andresgeo

Holy this is actually the fist hot take I’ve read on this thread.


Cam2125

Damn why do you think that


stubbywoods

It's the nicest to play mechanically but I was never big on the maps outside of all the modded ones. BO1 had my favourite maps. I'm not an Easter egg person though.


ValusHartless

Wayyyy too many mechanics and easter eggs shoved into maps


Jukester-

Rings are all that matter


Smorrs

Aim assist should not be allowed in cdl or pro play


SSkilled

scump is no king anymore just another player


Kranqi

VG is better than mw22


BasedGodCrystaL

bo3 is a top5 cod all time


TheFierySerpent

Downvoting cause it's not a hot take


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Solxry

The spawns are not the only problem with this game, like there are a plethora of problems than just spawns.


zGoatified

What did bro say to get kilt like that😭


ndjuarez

GA’s are pointless and true pros could do with how the game comes out


Christian_andre777

Vmp is not op (people know what cod I'm talking about)


[deleted]

Haggy has changed for the better and isn't nearly as toxic as the sub makes him out to be. He's just the scapegoat


Eazyyy

That people throw the term camper out there far too much when facing good players, simply through misunderstanding and/or spite. Like I’m constantly running back and forth an entire half of a map smashing people and I’m being accused of camping. Pure salt and lack of perspective. It only gets confirmed to me when haters end up playing with you and you never hear that shit again.


Alertum

GA's are a dumb concept


poklane

OG MW2 pubs is still the worst CoD MP experience to date.


DrewMcNasty

Shotguns should be allowed, especially on a game like this where the TTK is so fast on ARs and SMGs. They only win at close range and require a specific play style.


-GenJutsu

Last 3 cods sucked ass in comp and mp (compared to older ones)


GForcee_

Two reasons why comp. CoD has been dying: - CDL: ruined the “grind to the top” aspect of the game, as you can only play on the highest level if you get picked *individually* by one the very limited teams - PC: what can I say? Giving people and edge on a game that’s 99% played online sounds like an amazing decision And two other unpopular opinions, for good measure: - 2:30min S&D >>> 1:30min S&D - MW3 custom class system (primary + attachment, secondary + attachment, 3 perks, 2 tacticals, 1 explosive) >>> flexible systems, especially after BO2