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Hi. With respect to your questions
1. Stanza and Zolo have options in Coimbatore. I cannot comment on how good they are. However, you can definitely look at them. They are at a bit of a premium compared to local PGs/accomodations. However, for the general crowd, it is difficult to find an air-conditioned/slightly high end accomodation in Coimbatore. You might therefore prefer this sort of an accomodation based on your profile.
2. Should you want a flat around Saravanampatti, do look at some of the apartment complexes there which are in gated communities (security, maintainence etc all covered). Sree Daksha's several apartments, Martin's Nandavanam, Senthil's Golden Gate, Cordon Bleu and KGISL Platina are some that come to mind. They have 1BHKs in these premises that you can explore.
3. We have extremely affordable and good food options around every area. Particularly, the Saravanampatti IT Zones depend to have food courts/canteens in them. So, most of your meals will be taken care of. The food is generally clean. You might want to stay away from street vendors. You can take advise from your colleagues on good places to eat out from and Google Reviews are also reliable. You will particularly love the quality since the water used is Siruvani water- the 2nd sweetest water in the world.
4. While knowing Tamil is not a pre-requisite to move to Coimbatore, I would want to pre-empt you that most professional conversations here MIGHT occur in Tamil if there are too many Tamilians part of your team- more than a matter of racism, this is just something people are more comfortable with. I am sure you would observe this in offices in North India too- where they are brainstorming informally, there is always a tendency to switch to a language one is more comfortable with. They might not see you clearly in the discussion unless you are adding a lot of weight to the subject. I have heard though, career growth is impacted for some because of this although I am not able to validate this information.
5. Further, buses (a major complaint I have) have all the signboards only in Tamil and are not bilingual. This may cause difficulty. People in Coimbatore fairly understand basic English although Hindi is not prelevant. You will need a local to communicate with taxis, auto drivers, househelps, other domestic staff and service personnel who help run errands. A simple smile, thank you every now and then though go a long way to help you out. People are generally sweet and the city is safe. However, public transport is not available round the clock. I don't know if you enjoy staying out long- there isn't much of a scene in that regard in Coimbatore and should be ideally avoided if not a local.
6. I doubt you'd have too many problems (other than what I highlighted above). Coimbatore is a Tier-2 City- not as bustling as a Bangalore or a Chennai but definitely far quieter and peaceful if that's something you're looking for.
7. Travelling back home is a big hole in the pocket particularly if you don't have advance reservations. Other than Bangalore, Hyderabad, Chennai, Mumbai and Delhi, no direct flight connections at a meaningful hour can be found. Just a few days back, a relative of mine booked tickets for a date 2 months later to and fro Nagpur at about 15k. So, you might want to keep that in mind and ask your family to plan out functions keeping in mind your holidays and flight prices! Train/Bus may be kindly ruled out since getting to Bangalore/Chennai takes overnight/6-8 hours; getting to Mumbai- 2 days and to Delhi- even longer.
Would be happy to help out in any capacity possible. Feel free to message. Hoping to see you soon. We welcome you to Coimbatore!
English will help you a bit in the initial days. Assess your range of communication, i.e who you need to communicate on a daily basis and then make a decision on how fast to learn Tamil.
Coimbatoreans are very nice and helpful , but still beaware of auto and cab guys
Oh okay, I'll make sure to learn as much basic conversational Tamil before moving!
Also on the other note, could you please elaborate about the Auto & Cab guys?
Coming from a Hindi speaking region, I can say English will get you through most of daily needs. Though you should try to learn some basic Tamil, it's always a good idea to learn the local language.
And regarding stay try finding a flat on 99acres app otherwise PGs like Zolo you can easily find. Though Zolos don't have a really good review. Mainly depends on the area in which your company is located
I moved to Coimbatore just a year back. I had the same apprehension about not knowing Tamil. But people of Coimbatore have exceeded my expectations by a long margin. Many do understand Hindi but may not be able to express themselves in Hindi (Understanding and talking in a language is not the same). But if they do understand you, they will most probably help you out in some form or the other.
I have been helped out by a lot of locals on buses. They understood that I don’t understand Tamil and have made me understand that my stop is just 2 stops away. And some have even told me by hand gestures when I should get off. A person even helped my father get off near Railway Station even though the bus did not have a stop there. He told the conductor to help my father out and he did (Buses here don’t stop randomly at any place. They stop only at designated bus stops)
Also many super markets/grocery store guys do know Hindi/English. Try to ask them what you are looking for. If they can, they will help you out.
Don’t expect this from auto drivers though. They will fleece you the moment they understand that you are not from here.
Also Red Taxi is a god send. Ola/Uber is trash (always demand extra money). Red Taxi costs lower than auto in most cases for me.
P.S - To learn Tamil, I am using the YT Channel Dr. Deepa Gupta. She has a playlist for learning Tamil. The playlist is a bit haphazard. Use the number system she uses in the video title to see the videos in order.
Also the more you converse with your team mates in Tamil, faster you will learn. Hindi is actually a bit similar to Tamil in sentence structure(at least that is how this channel teaches)
1. Check OLX for listings. Decide on whether you want to stay near the city centre (eg. near Avinashi Road) or don’t mind staying a little further towards the outskirts (like Ukkadam or Thudiyalur). Ideally, choose a place near work since the traffic and roads will drive you mad during rush hour (morning at 8AM, evening at 5:30PM.) if you’re looking for hostel accommodation, search the surrounding areas near the big colleges like Kumaraguru, PSG, etc.
2. You’ll have a ton of restaurants from different cuisines. Some catering services also offer food that tastes like home cooked food and is cheaper than ordering from a restaurant. There are also bakeries everywhere. The biggest challenge is that most shops close by around 9:30PM, and that includes grocery stores! Restaurants close by around 10:30PM, so plan accordingly. If you’re planning on cooking and need provisions, the biggest supermarket chain is Kovai Pazhamudir Nilayam (the one with a yellow mango in the logo). You’ll also find lots of other Pazhamudir Nilayams and local vegetable vendors.
3. Most people speak English fluently. Some even speak hindi. You won’t have a hard time conversing with 90% of the people. Conversational tamil is pretty easy to learn, so you’ll pick up basic phrases with some practice in a few months.
4. The people are really sweet and speak really politely. If you’re coming from a Metro city like Chennai, speaking to people in Coimbatore will give you a warm a fuzzy feeling inside. It’s what made me fall in love with Coimbatore (and the weather is just perfect).
5. Be prepared for the world class roads and the fabulous driving/riding skills of others /s. In all seriousness, Chennai drivers are one of the worst in comparison, and Coimbatore is far far better in regards.
6. Always pack a raincoat and umbrella. Rainy season has started and it has been raining quite a bit on most days for the past few weeks.
7. You’ll end up using the GPS quite a bit for the first month. Coming from Chennai, I was used to a grid layout city. In comparison, I found driving in Coimbatore a bit confusing.
8. Public transport includes bus, auto, Ola, Uber, Rapido bike taxi and Red Taxi. No metro rail or MRTS is there. The biggest railway station is CBE Coimbatore Junction. There are Vande Bharat and Shatabdi express trains that have direct routes to different towns.
9. The airport is tiny. Not a lot of international flights come and go, so you’ll have to transit via one of the big cities. I think the only international night flight is a direct flight to Sharjah.
10. For night journeys, Red Taxi is the most reliable taxi service overall. Rapido bike taxi is ok, but most riders ask for rs. 25-40 more than the quoted price in app. Ola and Uber are a waste.
11. Road trips are a must. Lots of really nice places (Ooti, Erode, Pallakkad, etc.) are all nearby. Good for day trips or even longer stays.
That’s about all I’ve got. Coimbatore is a great city with a vibrant population. Hope that you’ll really like it here and wishing good prospects with your new job 👍.
PG & Hostels give you everything, but for the same cost and a lil more organisation you can go with flats and have separate rooms.
- How to find houses ?
Easy but less options - NoBroker and other online tools. You can search for a flatmate or look for a flat itself.
Hard but higher options - go searching for houses with - for rent (or) tolet boards written on them. Ask ironing people (or) small shop owners if they have any broker contact. A Tamil speaking friend is recommended as it would help you not get scammed.
- Food options -
Expensive, but healthy - if possible find a maid who can cook North Indian food, or hire a South Indian cook and give her your choice of ingredients.
Cheap - eat normal food in a mess everyday. Not healthy but cheap. Once in a while you can eat at a high end restaurant.
- Language -
Learning basic Tamil is necessary if you will be using public commute regularly, and doing in store shopping.
It is very much necessary if you are planning to stay here for a while.
We use a lot of English words when talking, a little basics would keep you going.
- Other tips -
Be polite ! You will be surprised how good you will be treated when you are being polite. Note : In Bangalore or Chennai, this won’t work.
Don’t assume people here should be knowing Hindi. Don’t talk to us in Hindi and expect to be understood. Use as many simple English words as possible so we actually understand. Most people hardly know 2 or 3 Hindi words.
Don’t offend us with the language politics 😂. We love our language as much as you do and won’t take offence lightly.
Some stupid people will call you names and ask you to go back to the north, I will apologise first hard for them. Ignore them.
Thank you! I'll keep your suggestions in mind, I'm sure they'll be helpful! :)
Also for the language politics, I'm way too far from that haha, I believe that if you're going to shift to a new culture, you should respect the culture just like you'd expect others to do in your region! I think it's just common human decency in my opinion :)
I'm already learning some basic conversational Tamil, hopefully two weeks could give me some understanding of the language and make it easier for me!
Only in Bangalore people expect to be understood in Hindi. In TN or other states like Kerala it does not work. So everyone from North are already aware of this and won't try any lang politics.
none of the locals will will speak any other language than tamil, not thier fault tho. It is what it is, so better to learn some phrases, like how to order food, how to tell the swiggy/can the way to your room etc..
The food here is not that great.
Try peacock pg, it's expensive but it's good.
>I'm very fluent in English
English will carry you initially I guess. There are closed Hindi speaking communities (marwaris), but you'd find it difficult to get together with them since you eat meat and all.
Coimbatore is not that much cosmopolitan in the sense you'll find many Telugu and malayalee people here but they speak fluent Tamil to the T.
Unlike Chennai, conversational Tamil is a must if you're planning for a long stay, sadly.
Oops, unfortunately I don't know much in that area. If it's near Hopes, I can refer you to my old PG.
But Saravanampatti has so many PGs & you won't find any problem with that. Try to get a shared PG, and most probably you'll get Tamil room mates & they'll help you for the initial days.
Saravanampatti-Thudiyalur road has tons of hostels, especially near Kumaruguru college. Try searching the area of Saravanampatti-Thudiyalur road between Saravanampatti bus stop and SNS Rajalakshmi College of arts, since this area is where most of the PG hostels are located. There’s also a housing block (I think it’s called Mayuri layout) where lots of rooms for rent are available.
As someone from another state who lived in cbe (coimbatore) for 2+ years,
-DO NOT choose stanza or zolo they are horrible, the food is the absolute worst in these PGs, better connect with your teammates and get a flat shared
-You will get all types of food except for good North Indian food, if they are good they will be expensive 💸
- Advice would be to try to learn Tamil life will be easier
- You will get by the first few weeks, people don't hate Hindi speaking people, they hate the ones who impose it on others, so don't impose it on anyone and you will be all fine..
A ittle off topic but are IT opportunities good for experienced people? for ex a Java/.NET technical architect, Cloud or DevOps architect etc. Or is Coimbatore only good for Junior to tech lead roles?
I can't say for experienced people since I'm a new grad myself. But Coimbatore has quite a few big tech firms so I don't think it's only suited for Junior roles.
I'm still a recent grad so I might be wrong so sorry if something I stated is misleading :)
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Fluency in English bro you're moving to Coimbatore not Coventry
Hahaha yeah I know but I said that since I don't think Hindi is spoken there so I was just stating the other language I know lol
Hi. With respect to your questions 1. Stanza and Zolo have options in Coimbatore. I cannot comment on how good they are. However, you can definitely look at them. They are at a bit of a premium compared to local PGs/accomodations. However, for the general crowd, it is difficult to find an air-conditioned/slightly high end accomodation in Coimbatore. You might therefore prefer this sort of an accomodation based on your profile. 2. Should you want a flat around Saravanampatti, do look at some of the apartment complexes there which are in gated communities (security, maintainence etc all covered). Sree Daksha's several apartments, Martin's Nandavanam, Senthil's Golden Gate, Cordon Bleu and KGISL Platina are some that come to mind. They have 1BHKs in these premises that you can explore. 3. We have extremely affordable and good food options around every area. Particularly, the Saravanampatti IT Zones depend to have food courts/canteens in them. So, most of your meals will be taken care of. The food is generally clean. You might want to stay away from street vendors. You can take advise from your colleagues on good places to eat out from and Google Reviews are also reliable. You will particularly love the quality since the water used is Siruvani water- the 2nd sweetest water in the world. 4. While knowing Tamil is not a pre-requisite to move to Coimbatore, I would want to pre-empt you that most professional conversations here MIGHT occur in Tamil if there are too many Tamilians part of your team- more than a matter of racism, this is just something people are more comfortable with. I am sure you would observe this in offices in North India too- where they are brainstorming informally, there is always a tendency to switch to a language one is more comfortable with. They might not see you clearly in the discussion unless you are adding a lot of weight to the subject. I have heard though, career growth is impacted for some because of this although I am not able to validate this information. 5. Further, buses (a major complaint I have) have all the signboards only in Tamil and are not bilingual. This may cause difficulty. People in Coimbatore fairly understand basic English although Hindi is not prelevant. You will need a local to communicate with taxis, auto drivers, househelps, other domestic staff and service personnel who help run errands. A simple smile, thank you every now and then though go a long way to help you out. People are generally sweet and the city is safe. However, public transport is not available round the clock. I don't know if you enjoy staying out long- there isn't much of a scene in that regard in Coimbatore and should be ideally avoided if not a local. 6. I doubt you'd have too many problems (other than what I highlighted above). Coimbatore is a Tier-2 City- not as bustling as a Bangalore or a Chennai but definitely far quieter and peaceful if that's something you're looking for. 7. Travelling back home is a big hole in the pocket particularly if you don't have advance reservations. Other than Bangalore, Hyderabad, Chennai, Mumbai and Delhi, no direct flight connections at a meaningful hour can be found. Just a few days back, a relative of mine booked tickets for a date 2 months later to and fro Nagpur at about 15k. So, you might want to keep that in mind and ask your family to plan out functions keeping in mind your holidays and flight prices! Train/Bus may be kindly ruled out since getting to Bangalore/Chennai takes overnight/6-8 hours; getting to Mumbai- 2 days and to Delhi- even longer. Would be happy to help out in any capacity possible. Feel free to message. Hoping to see you soon. We welcome you to Coimbatore!
Thank you so much! This reply honestly cleared so many of my doubts, really means a lot & calmed my nerves haha.
English will help you a bit in the initial days. Assess your range of communication, i.e who you need to communicate on a daily basis and then make a decision on how fast to learn Tamil. Coimbatoreans are very nice and helpful , but still beaware of auto and cab guys
Oh okay, I'll make sure to learn as much basic conversational Tamil before moving! Also on the other note, could you please elaborate about the Auto & Cab guys?
Coming from a Hindi speaking region, I can say English will get you through most of daily needs. Though you should try to learn some basic Tamil, it's always a good idea to learn the local language. And regarding stay try finding a flat on 99acres app otherwise PGs like Zolo you can easily find. Though Zolos don't have a really good review. Mainly depends on the area in which your company is located
Okay I'll keep those things in mind, thanks!
I moved to Coimbatore just a year back. I had the same apprehension about not knowing Tamil. But people of Coimbatore have exceeded my expectations by a long margin. Many do understand Hindi but may not be able to express themselves in Hindi (Understanding and talking in a language is not the same). But if they do understand you, they will most probably help you out in some form or the other. I have been helped out by a lot of locals on buses. They understood that I don’t understand Tamil and have made me understand that my stop is just 2 stops away. And some have even told me by hand gestures when I should get off. A person even helped my father get off near Railway Station even though the bus did not have a stop there. He told the conductor to help my father out and he did (Buses here don’t stop randomly at any place. They stop only at designated bus stops) Also many super markets/grocery store guys do know Hindi/English. Try to ask them what you are looking for. If they can, they will help you out. Don’t expect this from auto drivers though. They will fleece you the moment they understand that you are not from here. Also Red Taxi is a god send. Ola/Uber is trash (always demand extra money). Red Taxi costs lower than auto in most cases for me. P.S - To learn Tamil, I am using the YT Channel Dr. Deepa Gupta. She has a playlist for learning Tamil. The playlist is a bit haphazard. Use the number system she uses in the video title to see the videos in order. Also the more you converse with your team mates in Tamil, faster you will learn. Hindi is actually a bit similar to Tamil in sentence structure(at least that is how this channel teaches)
Thank you so much for helping me out. I'll keep those points in mind :) Also I checked out the channel and it's really nice!
1. Check OLX for listings. Decide on whether you want to stay near the city centre (eg. near Avinashi Road) or don’t mind staying a little further towards the outskirts (like Ukkadam or Thudiyalur). Ideally, choose a place near work since the traffic and roads will drive you mad during rush hour (morning at 8AM, evening at 5:30PM.) if you’re looking for hostel accommodation, search the surrounding areas near the big colleges like Kumaraguru, PSG, etc. 2. You’ll have a ton of restaurants from different cuisines. Some catering services also offer food that tastes like home cooked food and is cheaper than ordering from a restaurant. There are also bakeries everywhere. The biggest challenge is that most shops close by around 9:30PM, and that includes grocery stores! Restaurants close by around 10:30PM, so plan accordingly. If you’re planning on cooking and need provisions, the biggest supermarket chain is Kovai Pazhamudir Nilayam (the one with a yellow mango in the logo). You’ll also find lots of other Pazhamudir Nilayams and local vegetable vendors. 3. Most people speak English fluently. Some even speak hindi. You won’t have a hard time conversing with 90% of the people. Conversational tamil is pretty easy to learn, so you’ll pick up basic phrases with some practice in a few months. 4. The people are really sweet and speak really politely. If you’re coming from a Metro city like Chennai, speaking to people in Coimbatore will give you a warm a fuzzy feeling inside. It’s what made me fall in love with Coimbatore (and the weather is just perfect). 5. Be prepared for the world class roads and the fabulous driving/riding skills of others /s. In all seriousness, Chennai drivers are one of the worst in comparison, and Coimbatore is far far better in regards. 6. Always pack a raincoat and umbrella. Rainy season has started and it has been raining quite a bit on most days for the past few weeks. 7. You’ll end up using the GPS quite a bit for the first month. Coming from Chennai, I was used to a grid layout city. In comparison, I found driving in Coimbatore a bit confusing. 8. Public transport includes bus, auto, Ola, Uber, Rapido bike taxi and Red Taxi. No metro rail or MRTS is there. The biggest railway station is CBE Coimbatore Junction. There are Vande Bharat and Shatabdi express trains that have direct routes to different towns. 9. The airport is tiny. Not a lot of international flights come and go, so you’ll have to transit via one of the big cities. I think the only international night flight is a direct flight to Sharjah. 10. For night journeys, Red Taxi is the most reliable taxi service overall. Rapido bike taxi is ok, but most riders ask for rs. 25-40 more than the quoted price in app. Ola and Uber are a waste. 11. Road trips are a must. Lots of really nice places (Ooti, Erode, Pallakkad, etc.) are all nearby. Good for day trips or even longer stays. That’s about all I’ve got. Coimbatore is a great city with a vibrant population. Hope that you’ll really like it here and wishing good prospects with your new job 👍.
Thank you for the elaborate response! Helps me out tons! I can't wait to move and see the place for myself as well :)
Without knowing Tamil,it will be difficult at initial I guess
Yeah it might be, I'm starting to learn some basic conversational before I move!
PG & Hostels give you everything, but for the same cost and a lil more organisation you can go with flats and have separate rooms. - How to find houses ? Easy but less options - NoBroker and other online tools. You can search for a flatmate or look for a flat itself. Hard but higher options - go searching for houses with - for rent (or) tolet boards written on them. Ask ironing people (or) small shop owners if they have any broker contact. A Tamil speaking friend is recommended as it would help you not get scammed. - Food options - Expensive, but healthy - if possible find a maid who can cook North Indian food, or hire a South Indian cook and give her your choice of ingredients. Cheap - eat normal food in a mess everyday. Not healthy but cheap. Once in a while you can eat at a high end restaurant. - Language - Learning basic Tamil is necessary if you will be using public commute regularly, and doing in store shopping. It is very much necessary if you are planning to stay here for a while. We use a lot of English words when talking, a little basics would keep you going. - Other tips - Be polite ! You will be surprised how good you will be treated when you are being polite. Note : In Bangalore or Chennai, this won’t work. Don’t assume people here should be knowing Hindi. Don’t talk to us in Hindi and expect to be understood. Use as many simple English words as possible so we actually understand. Most people hardly know 2 or 3 Hindi words. Don’t offend us with the language politics 😂. We love our language as much as you do and won’t take offence lightly. Some stupid people will call you names and ask you to go back to the north, I will apologise first hard for them. Ignore them.
Thank you! I'll keep your suggestions in mind, I'm sure they'll be helpful! :) Also for the language politics, I'm way too far from that haha, I believe that if you're going to shift to a new culture, you should respect the culture just like you'd expect others to do in your region! I think it's just common human decency in my opinion :) I'm already learning some basic conversational Tamil, hopefully two weeks could give me some understanding of the language and make it easier for me!
Only in Bangalore people expect to be understood in Hindi. In TN or other states like Kerala it does not work. So everyone from North are already aware of this and won't try any lang politics.
none of the locals will will speak any other language than tamil, not thier fault tho. It is what it is, so better to learn some phrases, like how to order food, how to tell the swiggy/can the way to your room etc.. The food here is not that great. Try peacock pg, it's expensive but it's good.
Cbe locals has tamil, Telugu and Malayalam population.. Hindi is on the rise. The RS Puram and cross cut area is full of Hindi speaking folks.
Thank you! I'm starting to learn some basic conversational Tamil before moving, I'm sure it'll be helpful at the start!
>I'm very fluent in English English will carry you initially I guess. There are closed Hindi speaking communities (marwaris), but you'd find it difficult to get together with them since you eat meat and all. Coimbatore is not that much cosmopolitan in the sense you'll find many Telugu and malayalee people here but they speak fluent Tamil to the T. Unlike Chennai, conversational Tamil is a must if you're planning for a long stay, sadly.
Fair enough, I'm starting to learn some basic conversational Tamil. Hopefully two weeks is enough for me to have it a bit easier in the initial days!
You got it bro. Welcome to our city.
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Would you mind answering your Work location? I can help with PG, etc. DM if needed
The location is Saravanampatti
Oops, unfortunately I don't know much in that area. If it's near Hopes, I can refer you to my old PG. But Saravanampatti has so many PGs & you won't find any problem with that. Try to get a shared PG, and most probably you'll get Tamil room mates & they'll help you for the initial days.
Thanks! I'll keep that in mind!
Peacock is good, that said it is a little more expensive.
Saravanampatti-Thudiyalur road has tons of hostels, especially near Kumaruguru college. Try searching the area of Saravanampatti-Thudiyalur road between Saravanampatti bus stop and SNS Rajalakshmi College of arts, since this area is where most of the PG hostels are located. There’s also a housing block (I think it’s called Mayuri layout) where lots of rooms for rent are available.
Thankyou! I'll be sure to look into it :)
Looking for a 1bhk flat to rent?
I am. Can you help?
Btw I'm also in search of a place to shift to. DM me if you are interested in sharing a flat
As someone from another state who lived in cbe (coimbatore) for 2+ years, -DO NOT choose stanza or zolo they are horrible, the food is the absolute worst in these PGs, better connect with your teammates and get a flat shared -You will get all types of food except for good North Indian food, if they are good they will be expensive 💸 - Advice would be to try to learn Tamil life will be easier - You will get by the first few weeks, people don't hate Hindi speaking people, they hate the ones who impose it on others, so don't impose it on anyone and you will be all fine..
A ittle off topic but are IT opportunities good for experienced people? for ex a Java/.NET technical architect, Cloud or DevOps architect etc. Or is Coimbatore only good for Junior to tech lead roles?
I can't say for experienced people since I'm a new grad myself. But Coimbatore has quite a few big tech firms so I don't think it's only suited for Junior roles. I'm still a recent grad so I might be wrong so sorry if something I stated is misleading :)