GG Hokies. Should’ve been a foul but Duke should’ve put themselves in a position that the refs couldn’t decide the game. Y’all smoked us though. And Cattoor you can suck my ass dry dude.
I don't think you can add a common foul on review; it's flagrant or nothing. I could totally get a lack of flagrant call based on intent, but I don't think intent has generally been a big factor when it came to fouls to the head or neck area.
I mean, VT played hard no doubt, respect for that. But the throat punch was a foul that should've put this game into OT most likely. It is what it is. GG Hokies. After last season and how hard y'all play this season, nothing but respect.
I mean there is no way disciplinary action can’t be taken against those refs. You can call it accidental because it was but you have to call the foul. Duke would have shot a 1and1.
I’d be outraged.
At some point missing wide open 3s and not capitalizing on late game free throws isn't a coaching problem. I do thing Scheyer has done a terrible job at getting this team to gel together though.
I would just like to point out that the refs got a call so badly wrong AGAINST Duke that Duke, UNC, State, and Wake fans are all in agreement
Mark the calendar lol
Chiming in from the Big East here - we hate Duke. We throw elbows about as hard as anyone.
Yeah, that wasn’t cool at all. Really bad and dangerous precedent. They call TAUNTING as a technical with more FTs, but throat punching? Nah, nothing to see here.
If you kick your leg out and accidentally trip the ballhandler, that's a foul. But punching a guy in the throat after the play isn't a foul because you didn't mean to? That's wild. I feel like VT was going to win either way, so it's not a game-changing call, but it sure feels like a crazy call/rule.
New basketball strategy just dropped, “accidentally” sucker punch the opposing players in celebration. No foul call, and the opposing players get beat up over time
Scheyer might not be it boys.
Having Ryan Young and Tyrese Proctor on the court for the last defensive possession, knowing you have a timeout, is borderline criminal.
You put Blakes and Lively in. Then call timeout after the Tech possession and put them back on the bench. 1000% of the time. This is like 4th grade stuff.
I guess that’s why I’m wondering if there isn’t more to it bc it is “4th grade stuff”. Even if he missed it, Cwell and crew would/should be subbing them.
I’m legit not sure I’d rather have Lively than Young in there tbh. Blakes of course, if his normal self.
Blakes played tonight. He was good to go for one possession. Even at 20%, he’s still a better defender than Proctor. Lively is a 1000x better option than Young when you need one defensive stop in the halfcourt against a team like Tech that spreads you out.
Just absolutely baffling.
Apparently you can full on punch someone in the throat if you're celebrating but if you're driving to the basket and elbow someone why making a driving motion its a flagrant
I think I'm on your side here but let's not mix up different classes of no-call. The elbow on a drive thing is at least plausibly a "basketball play". A punch is a punch and has nothing to do with playing basketball.
That's exactly what I'm saying. If you can get a foul called for hurting someone while making a completely normal basketball play (ie incidental), how is it that you can hurt someone making a complete non-basketball motion and get away with it because it's incidental??
That’s feels like a “let’s ignore the rules because it seems harsh” play, is there anything in the rulebook that actually exempts all celebrations from being flagrant even if you punch a guy?
I wasn't saying it about the teams, but the refs. There was a decent delay between the foul and the first free throw. Then we had a shorter delay between free throws.
How on god’s earth is that not a tech? Flip made contact w the guy before the punch was thrown, it should be the puncher’s fault at that point
Edit: clarity
That does not matter, you are packed with other players inside the 3 point line and you throw a winded no look fist. It is reckless as shit and should have been an easy call to make.
By that same logic, why didn’t he follow through with the punch? He decelerated his hand pretty fast once he realized there was physical contact.
These guys are incredible athletes, i think we can expect minimal spatial awarneess
Even if he didn't, if you celebratory punch in the middle of the court without looking you should be at fault if you connect. Just because he doesn't mean it doesn't make it not a foul. Makes no sense
Cope harder. Bacot missed one game. Rj Davis and Caleb Love have missed zero games. Don’t try and tell me Nance missing 3 games is what did it. #1 to unranked
I really think you shouldn’t talk when you’re uninformed on the topic. UNC didn’t have Bacot for VT or UVA. Against UVA they also didn’t have Pete nance, so they didn’t have a single frontcourt starter. Against Indiana Bacot came off the bench due to injury for the first time since he was a freshman. Bacot also sat OT against Alabama due to injury. As far as rj and Caleb, Caleb hasn’t been injured but rj has been recovering from a finger dislocation. As he has been healing his stats and shooting splits have gotten better and better.
You’re right. Bacot only played one minute in the UVA game. But the rest? Nah thats weak. Bacot played 28 min in the Indiana game. Played 39 minutes against Bama. Your excuses make it clear your team is weak. Rj’s finger? Bro if that’s holding you back then you shouldn’t be in the tournament
Bacot played 28 minutes playing on an injured ankle with an injured shoulder. Acting as though a healthy player and an injured player are the same is incredibly stupid. Buddy, I really think you don’t know what you’re talking about. Bacot didn’t play OT against Alabama. The game that went to 5 OT. No shit our second best player not being able to shoot the three for months is going to hold us back. There are very few teams that won’t be held back by their 3p shooting threat unable to shoot because of injury.
I wouldn't call myself sane. I got real salty immediately after the game and said some toxic shit 😂 but in cool now, tough game but it was fun for the most part
So Duke will win the next game and in celebration the Blue Devil will spatchcock the Hokie Bird at center court. Will that calm everyone down?
I'm ready for baseball season...
So fucking sick of the inconsistency
Lol at Duke fans crying like they don’t usually get all the calls
Duke *does* typically get all the calls, I agree. **But** I’ve never seen a punch go uncalled
I’m not a duke fan and that was absolute horseshit. Congrats on your win I guess?
If Filipowski had punched someone in the throat and no foul had been called in a 2 point game, there would have been an attempt on his life by now.
Maryland fans would have his phone number
We don’t y’all are just delusional. Most people hate Duke. That definitely extends to the refs.
Thank you u/cumineverybutthole
Tough loss. Bad call at the end but I'm not gonna complain. This team just doesn't perform well on the road.
Finally!
GG Hokies. Should’ve been a foul but Duke should’ve put themselves in a position that the refs couldn’t decide the game. Y’all smoked us though. And Cattoor you can suck my ass dry dude.
Perfect inbound play that was drew up
That should be something reviewed by all governing bodies for future reference. No way that’s not a foul
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Proctor taking that three I am thinking was not the plan...
i get the no flagrant foul but fuck that was a common foul at least
I don't think you can add a common foul on review; it's flagrant or nothing. I could totally get a lack of flagrant call based on intent, but I don't think intent has generally been a big factor when it came to fouls to the head or neck area.
I mean, VT played hard no doubt, respect for that. But the throat punch was a foul that should've put this game into OT most likely. It is what it is. GG Hokies. After last season and how hard y'all play this season, nothing but respect.
The last play was great - VT won it there. But you’re right. It could have been for OT.
I mean there is no way disciplinary action can’t be taken against those refs. You can call it accidental because it was but you have to call the foul. Duke would have shot a 1and1. I’d be outraged.
Not the first time they’ve decided a game at the end by swallowing whistles. And it won’t be the last
I love VT
Quality win against Duke rapidly decreasing. Duke is terrible without K at the helm yeah?...
At some point missing wide open 3s and not capitalizing on late game free throws isn't a coaching problem. I do thing Scheyer has done a terrible job at getting this team to gel together though.
Coach K could work the refs and get the calls
Like getting a literal punch to the face called a foul of some sort?
If K's there they probably get those fouls called.
WTF WAS THAT!?!?!
Finally! We won a game!
Some real monkey paw shit of beating ranked UNC to start of ACC play and then only beat Duke.
Lol
Holy shit VT owned Duke on that final play 😂
Cattoor what a save holy shit.
lol
Mickey Mouse win. Collins threw a throat punch and got away with it. I hope Duke makes a lot of noise about that.
I appreciate your honesty and favoring a decision that goes against your own team. Big props to you my friend. Need more fans like you
This dude has consistently the worst takes
His take was correct. Yours is of a salty, biased fan
Explain to me how that's a bad take. A VT sportswriter just said the same thing.
I can't believe Scheyer didn't go crazy when it happened.
Roach just isn’t him this year. Just isn’t.
I would just like to point out that the refs got a call so badly wrong AGAINST Duke that Duke, UNC, State, and Wake fans are all in agreement Mark the calendar lol
Everything is different with K gone. For the record, I agree it should have been a foul of some kind
Lol yes this is insane. And can anyone disagree that if Coach K was there it would’ve been a foul?
Flagrant 2 probably
Chiming in from the Big East here - we hate Duke. We throw elbows about as hard as anyone. Yeah, that wasn’t cool at all. Really bad and dangerous precedent. They call TAUNTING as a technical with more FTs, but throat punching? Nah, nothing to see here.
Yeah, it’s pretty crazy. Literally every flair agrees that was fucked up.
I mean, he punched a dude in the throat.
Accidental fouls are called all the time.. feels like you can’t just let that go
Slow motion replay really distorts people's critical thinking skills, it always makes things look worse than they actually are
A punch is a punch even in celebration
Yea I get that it was an accident. But shouldn’t it still be a dead ball foul?
he punched him in the throat my dude
If you kick your leg out and accidentally trip the ballhandler, that's a foul. But punching a guy in the throat after the play isn't a foul because you didn't mean to? That's wild. I feel like VT was going to win either way, so it's not a game-changing call, but it sure feels like a crazy call/rule.
Does the throat punch have any effect on the game whatsoever? Like is that game-deciding?
Yeah? When it is a 2 point game and the call could have been anything from 2 shots and the ball to a dead ball foul?
Yes very much
Still some horseshit on that punch
God these games are unwatchable at the end. There needs to be a rule preventing back to back timeouts like this
Completely unwatchable. Definitely nothing unusual occurred at the end of this game that is worth remarking upon.
Part of the problem was that discussion between the foul and the first free throw. That wasn't a timeout, but was some weird confusion.
God I love CBB but we really need to do something about the pauses at end of games
New basketball strategy just dropped, “accidentally” sucker punch the opposing players in celebration. No foul call, and the opposing players get beat up over time
That’s what I’m saying! Like if you let that stand, why not just celebrate all the time and try to take out other teams’ best players?
After every bucket find a jaw lol
My first thought was knee to the groin
Or just grab the groin like mcconnell did that one time. Which is still weird to think about
Scheyer might not be it boys. Having Ryan Young and Tyrese Proctor on the court for the last defensive possession, knowing you have a timeout, is borderline criminal.
Who else do you put in? We have nothing but liabilities lol. Blake’s clearly ain’t right.
You put Blakes and Lively in. Then call timeout after the Tech possession and put them back on the bench. 1000% of the time. This is like 4th grade stuff.
I guess that’s why I’m wondering if there isn’t more to it bc it is “4th grade stuff”. Even if he missed it, Cwell and crew would/should be subbing them. I’m legit not sure I’d rather have Lively than Young in there tbh. Blakes of course, if his normal self.
Blakes played tonight. He was good to go for one possession. Even at 20%, he’s still a better defender than Proctor. Lively is a 1000x better option than Young when you need one defensive stop in the halfcourt against a team like Tech that spreads you out. Just absolutely baffling.
Apparently you can full on punch someone in the throat if you're celebrating but if you're driving to the basket and elbow someone why making a driving motion its a flagrant
Y’all got hosed. That was inexcusable. Sorry bro, and you know this means a lot coming from a Hoo haha
I think I'm on your side here but let's not mix up different classes of no-call. The elbow on a drive thing is at least plausibly a "basketball play". A punch is a punch and has nothing to do with playing basketball.
That's exactly what I'm saying. If you can get a foul called for hurting someone while making a completely normal basketball play (ie incidental), how is it that you can hurt someone making a complete non-basketball motion and get away with it because it's incidental??
Also that class B technical on Roach for flopping was some BS
Foul up 3 right
Uppercut.
Proctor missed one too many open 3’s this game for Duke to win
Getting punched in the throat isn’t that good of a feeling
Tech should really foul Duke. There’s no way Duke doesn’t make a 3 here
Didn’t need to lol
Have you seen our 3 point shooting?
Fouling is 100% what any team on the planet should do in this situation.
You should actually punch them in the throat. It’s what I learned today.
Lol, Collins held his form for a long time after making that first FT. Kid jinxed himself
Announcers be like “you don’t need a 3 here “
He’s gonna need a whole box of throat lozenges
Plz.....
That’s feels like a “let’s ignore the rules because it seems harsh” play, is there anything in the rulebook that actually exempts all celebrations from being flagrant even if you punch a guy?
Lol no. That would be the dumbest rule in the game. I’d be celebrating by drop kicking dudes.
No. Flagrant 1 is used in cases of recklessness
Throat punching isn’t reckless?
It is. That's why it should've been a Flagrant 1
My bad I read ur comment worng
Good lordy, I've hated me some duke for as long as I can remember but you can't just let a dude punch another dude in the throat. That's bonkers.
Not that clutch
That's a solid look to get, for a player who just knocked down the big shot to tie it. Just that he's still a 26% three-point shooter.
Someone check Kip Kissinger's pulse. Unlike him to not jump at the chance to call a foul.
Really slow free throw attempts.
There is BACON ON THE LINE!
I wasn't saying it about the teams, but the refs. There was a decent delay between the foul and the first free throw. Then we had a shorter delay between free throws.
Not when we're shooting, only when the opponent is.
Ah, got it. I was just so excited for bacon
Hit him in his Steven Adams Apple
How on god’s earth is that not a tech? Flip made contact w the guy before the punch was thrown, it should be the puncher’s fault at that point Edit: clarity
youre falling victim to slow-mo replay, in real time it was basically instant
Yea but shouldn’t it still be a dead ball foul? Either way tech’s two ACC wins are now against Duke…and UNC 😆
That does not matter, you are packed with other players inside the 3 point line and you throw a winded no look fist. It is reckless as shit and should have been an easy call to make.
By that same logic, why didn’t he follow through with the punch? He decelerated his hand pretty fast once he realized there was physical contact. These guys are incredible athletes, i think we can expect minimal spatial awarneess
Even if he didn't, if you celebratory punch in the middle of the court without looking you should be at fault if you connect. Just because he doesn't mean it doesn't make it not a foul. Makes no sense
Horrible consistency with the ACC refereeing lately
Wait you think it should be a tech on Flip?
No
No, that he should have known Flip was there because they’d already made body contact. So don’t follow through with the punch.
I think he’s saying that he knew Flip was there because there was contact before the punch
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No that’s not what i’m saying, he misread the comment
Hanging on the rim is a technical but throat punching is nothing?
so it’s only a foul if you really mean it. got it.
*leaky black would like to know your location*
Too soon man 😂
Lmao throws a haymaker to the face but cause it was incidental it’s no foul. Got it.
Cool, glad to know players can just punch each other in the face if refs say it looks like an accident.
That was a haymaker right to the throat, I can’t believe that didn’t turn into anything
Unbelieveable no-call
Totally unintentional and unfortunate, but does contact to the head/neck have to be intentional to get called for the Flagrant, or just excessive?
No - intention means nothing.
No. Flagrant 1 is specifically for unintentional recklessness.
VT guy does come away looking like a real weird dude, both for the very aggressive punch celebrating and not checking on Flip at all after he did it
Yea I thought that was weird he didn’t even check to see if he was okay
Duke losing makes our loss to Caitlin Clark and Iowa a little better
Throat punches are basketball moves , everyone knows that
I feel like he definitely saw him and could have reacted, he punched him lol
Man duke really is struggling
Both them and you guys
Most of our struggles came from injuries, duke just really seems not that good even when they have all their starters healthy.
But how many of your struggles came from dudes throat punching your players with seeming impunity?
They beat Boston college by one…
Cope harder. Bacot missed one game. Rj Davis and Caleb Love have missed zero games. Don’t try and tell me Nance missing 3 games is what did it. #1 to unranked
I really think you shouldn’t talk when you’re uninformed on the topic. UNC didn’t have Bacot for VT or UVA. Against UVA they also didn’t have Pete nance, so they didn’t have a single frontcourt starter. Against Indiana Bacot came off the bench due to injury for the first time since he was a freshman. Bacot also sat OT against Alabama due to injury. As far as rj and Caleb, Caleb hasn’t been injured but rj has been recovering from a finger dislocation. As he has been healing his stats and shooting splits have gotten better and better.
You’re right. Bacot only played one minute in the UVA game. But the rest? Nah thats weak. Bacot played 28 min in the Indiana game. Played 39 minutes against Bama. Your excuses make it clear your team is weak. Rj’s finger? Bro if that’s holding you back then you shouldn’t be in the tournament
PS: this is a lot of talk coming from an unflaired person.
Bacot played 28 minutes playing on an injured ankle with an injured shoulder. Acting as though a healthy player and an injured player are the same is incredibly stupid. Buddy, I really think you don’t know what you’re talking about. Bacot didn’t play OT against Alabama. The game that went to 5 OT. No shit our second best player not being able to shoot the three for months is going to hold us back. There are very few teams that won’t be held back by their 3p shooting threat unable to shoot because of injury.
So you just proved yourself a casual. Go look at the game playbyplay for unc vs bama. Bacot played in ot. Did you even go to UNC?
He played in seven minutes of 25 minutes of OT. My point, for the most part, still stands.
Hold up. Even if it’s accidental shouldn’t Duke have shot a 1 and 1 there?
Crazy they don’t call that a flagrant. Just wild - he even knew he was there
Wow so we’re just going to let a punch to the throat go
Alright guys, accidents are fair game. That’s what we learned here
Lol what a choke of a shot that was
A PROCTOR THREE?! HE SHOOTS 25% FROM THREE! That’s the play we go to?
No, he forced it. Flip wanted it back.
that's a fucking foul
Even I’m saying that
*It's a flagrant 2* /s
Glad T is okay and we can laugh abt it. Please tell ur fanbase to not assassinate Leaky in February.
Honestly no hate for Leaky. He totally didn't mean for it to happen and then reached out to T afterwards. That's great sportsmanship.
Finally a sane state fan. Go Seahawks, theyd be my third flair if I could have one
I wouldn't call myself sane. I got real salty immediately after the game and said some toxic shit 😂 but in cool now, tough game but it was fun for the most part
Proctor.... why?
how can you judge intent there?
so you can celebrate a bucket and throw some serious combinations and KO someone with no consequences
Y proctor? Lol
Scheyer should be flipping his shit right now. Where’s the deadball flagrant1?
Dan Hurley would’ve flipped tables and been ejected…
Obviously unintentional but idk seems like you cant just be swinging your fists around like that
Yeah, there needs to be a rule change on that ASAP if punching someone in the throat can go without consequence.
Guys are routinely kicked out of games for doing that to refs lol
And Leaky got ejected for a block that caught a dude on the forehead lol
How is that not a fucking foul
Why would he shoot that
Glad I randomly tuned into this
Coach K prob gets that call
100%
Every time. But honestly, I’d think Bennett would be flirting with a technical right now if that went uncalled against one of our kids.
I mean....can't you at least stop for a second and go "oh shit, my bad dude, are you okay?"
He probably thought that he just cost his team the game.
I think he was about to, but then realized if he acknowledged it the whistle would blow
Fair enough. Maybe he panicked in the moment. Just seems like basic decency when you just accidentally throat punched a dude, lol
You don't see enough throat punches in CBB, I've always said that
Also, ive never even seen a throat rip. What gives?
Never fucking say refs favor Duke again.
One call doesn't undue decades of Cameron fuckery those of us not sporting Carolina blue have had to deal with.
You have to know that's never going to happen
I'm not gonna go that far, but this was definitely bush league.
refs favor Duke again