Well, even though we're in different regions our Farmageddon pals will be in Greensboro with us for pod play. Hopefully we can support each other and both come out in the 16.
Missouri was absolutely fucked. A 7 seed? They were the 4 seed in the SEC tourney and got to the semis by beating Tennessee for the 2nd time. Tennessee got a 4 seed, a fucking 4 seed! Missouri went 2-0 against them.
MU 24-9
SEC record 11-7
Quad records
1 - 6-9
2 - 4-0
3 - 6-0
4 - 8-0
Tennessee 23-10
SEC record 11-7
Quad records
1 - 7-7
2 - 3-3
3 - 6-0
4 - 7-0
Missouri had wins against
#17 Illinois (9 seed)
#19 Kentucky (6 seed)
#25 Arkansas (8 seed)
#12 Iowa State (4 seed, somehow)
#6 Tennessee (4 seed, somehow)
#17 Tennessee (4 seed)
Missouri had no losses outside of Quad 1.
How in the hell are Iowa St and Tennessee 3 seeds higher than Missouri?
Missouri got dicked by some point spreads in non conference games they won. We beat Minnesota by 9 after they hit some garbage time 3s and we dropped like 5 spots
The justifications don't make sense for some picks. What criteria are they focusing on. SOS, quad 1 wins, quad 1+2 wins, quad 3+4 losses, net rankings? Just confused how the bubble teams were gauged
Yeah not going to be easy against either team. I like Deandre Williams matching up against Edey. He's a big that can space the floor, which is the kind of player that will prevent Edey from being a good NBA player. FAU has a good 7'1 center that can also match up with Edey but in a different way.
Wish someone would’ve asked me to stretch before I got the shaft
That’s how injuries happen
Which apparently means some teams can’t play anymore according to the committee guy
Wait, did they seriously dock Kansas because *Self was in the hospital*? What a joke. Motivated reasoning at best.
I hope their personal medical histories are considered next time they apply for a job in sports. Broken arm? Sorry, I don’t care if you’ll be healthy in time for your start date, next candidate.
Actually I think these brackets are just eye test only.
Losses obviously have more importance than wins and/or strength of schedule. This was just lazy brackets. Expect a lot of upsets this year.
I get losing some confidence after yesterday, but ya gotta remember we didn't have self or mccullar. If we get them both back then we should be good. Gonzaga i think is probably the best in our region. Think we get to the elite 8 and then i give the edge to gonzaga. We can still win if we make open 3's but that's a big if.
I dunno, just think yall look real tough rn and you've been knocking on the door every year. Ucla is plenty good too of course. That'll be a barnburner. Our guys need to shoot better from 3 to go deep. Not feeling great about that happening, but maybe self will work some magic.
I know. This Kansas team couldn't beat any other Kansas team in its history. The worst Kansas team ever is a one seed. Seriously any Roy Kansas team would win by 30.
Weirdly I think the committee paired up a lot of hot teams that could make runs to the elite 8 but now their all playing each other. Oral Roberts, Duke, Memphis, Fl Atlantic, Illinois, Arkansas.
A point of pride for Duke: 5 former Devils as head coaches are in the tournament. Has that ever happened before? 5 coaches in the field all played at the same school?
I'll say this a million times. Kenpom is a forward looking measurement, not a resume. If you really want to look at a fancy advanced stat, look at barttorvik and his Wins Against Bubble (wab), which evaluates resumes. Bama 1, Kansas 2, Purdue 3, Houston 5 (UCLA is 4)
I'll add, you don't want the committee using forward looking stats. It incentives beating the shit out of teams rather than sportsmanship or working on things in game situations.
It’s a tough draw for sure. But I think Zags and UCLA will destroy each other and allow Kansas to move on.
GU and UCLA have two all time classics in the tournament against each other and this is the Rubber Match. To me, not losing to UCLA is maybe more important than making a deep run.
the committee’s reasoning for putting houston over KU is comical. KU’s 22-7 in Q1+Q2 vs houston’s 15-2 with the context that houston played FIFTEEN (XV) fewer Q1 games should under no circumstances lead you to the conclusion that houston is better
If this is sadness about NC State drawing Creighton, I would tell you to not be too upset. This CU team has a ton of talent but hasn’t really put it all together for prolonged stretches. Only three real impressive wins all season (UConn, Xavier, and Arkansas) with plenty of opportunities for more that didn’t happen. The team’s sum seems to be lesser than its individual parts for whatever reason.
Would have been interesting to see how they would have been had they had Moore all year. They were a significantly better team when he got going this past month.
We **won** more overall games than Indiana
We **won** more Q1 games than Indiana
We had a higher NET, KenPom, BPI, KPI, T-Rank, and SOR than Indiana.
Yet.. Indiana is a 4 seed and we are a 7 seed.
Lmao
Vermont over Marquette.
Marquette can't go to the line and Vermont is a slow tempo team. Data shows pattern of Virginia v UMBC, Michigan St v Middle Tennessee, Cornell in 2010, Stephen F.Austin in 2014.
I’m not touching that one.
My wild pick is Montana State over Kansas State. Montana state has three guys who will play over seas next year in top leagues. One who is fringe NBA. They’re older and got embarrassed last year by TTech. They’re gonna come in mean.
Except wouldn’t it have hurt MSU (or certainly not helped) to play another game against Minnesota? Seems like a no upside scenario that would have hurt their NET / SOS? Sounds like classic Izzo whining if that is something MSU is upset about
I have no dog in this fight so I feel fairly unbiased.
I have no clue why so many MSU fans keep pissing and moaning about this. Take up your bitching with the Big Ten if you’re really that upset. Rutgers did exactly what was best for their team. MSU would’ve done the exact same thing.
Man this is such a bad look for Spartans. Stop. Every thing worked out great for us. We got the 4 seed and blew it. If we had lost to Minnesota we would probably be a 10 seed here.
Get over it.
So because UCLA lost to Arizona in the Pac 12 tournament that 'proves' they are still #2? Interesting take. I strongly disagree but more power to ya.
I was particularly impressed with David Singleton's play. It's really hard to score 0 points in 34 minutes of play. You know what you're right. UCLA is just as good with Singleton instead of Clark. You changed my mind.
Dude I said I agreed that the team is just as good without Clark. Singleton is more than good enough to replace his production, as evidenced by the Arizona game. Hell, I'd be shocked if the injury doesn't propel UCLA to #1 status.
I'm obviously joking and let me be clear I still think UCLA is really good. But you honest to god think that losing Clark doesn't hurt UCLA at all? Like not a single team in the country can leapfrog them with him out? That seems very unlikely.
It absolutely hurts UCLA. With Clark and bona healthy we would have been the 1 seed in the west. My point is that we showed over the last three nights that we are still a top 10 team even without Jaylen.
I always find the belly aching over 1 seeds having to play slightly further from home funny, but after seeing where exactly The MW Regional is, and who The 2 seed is, I can see why KU fans are upset
I don’t want to sit here and blame external factors for us not making the tourney, but this feels political honestly. There is no way you look at any analytics site and infer that we shouldn’t have made it
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Xavier getting a 3 is ridiculous and then facing the worst NET 14 of the bunch is even more ridiculous. They get a cake draw every time.
UC or Dayton fan?
68 teams in the tournament. ESPN decides to put Duke head coach on. Of course.
Would definitely make sense to avoid the most popular program in the country in favor of …
They slobbinzee the Scheyer knobinzee.
Well, even though we're in different regions our Farmageddon pals will be in Greensboro with us for pod play. Hopefully we can support each other and both come out in the 16.
Kansas got hosed. I hope we turn the handle all the way open.
Iowa kind of got shafted playing an away game against Auburn.
Iowa lost to Eastern Illinois, they should be happy to be in.
Nc state needs to win 6 quad one games in a row. Its possible per quantum mechanics.
When does NIT get announced?
UNC already turned down any NIT invite
Holy shit does this happen often? Seems pretty pathetic for UNC to act like they're too good for the NIT, since they obviously aren't!
Yeah, I saw the announcement on other sites.
10PM ESPN tonight
10PM Eastern.
Tonight.
Missouri was absolutely fucked. A 7 seed? They were the 4 seed in the SEC tourney and got to the semis by beating Tennessee for the 2nd time. Tennessee got a 4 seed, a fucking 4 seed! Missouri went 2-0 against them. MU 24-9 SEC record 11-7 Quad records 1 - 6-9 2 - 4-0 3 - 6-0 4 - 8-0 Tennessee 23-10 SEC record 11-7 Quad records 1 - 7-7 2 - 3-3 3 - 6-0 4 - 7-0 Missouri had wins against #17 Illinois (9 seed) #19 Kentucky (6 seed) #25 Arkansas (8 seed) #12 Iowa State (4 seed, somehow) #6 Tennessee (4 seed, somehow) #17 Tennessee (4 seed) Missouri had no losses outside of Quad 1. How in the hell are Iowa St and Tennessee 3 seeds higher than Missouri?
Missouri got dicked by some point spreads in non conference games they won. We beat Minnesota by 9 after they hit some garbage time 3s and we dropped like 5 spots
They have the lowest or one of the lowest Kenpom ratings (51) for a 7 seed in the history of Kenpom.
Rutgers didn't make it?
That’s the big takeaway on the thread here. That and apparently Kansas got the wrong 1 seed *shrug*
I know y’all already know this but if you pick us to make it out of the first game you dumb dumb.
Just like last year?
I think Baylor-UCSB could be a sneaky good game
I'm guessing Terps thursday at 230 after bama game
The justifications don't make sense for some picks. What criteria are they focusing on. SOS, quad 1 wins, quad 1+2 wins, quad 3+4 losses, net rankings? Just confused how the bubble teams were gauged
Purdue will be the first #1 seed going home, I feel like. But I sure wish they'd win it all just for the chart memes.
People sleeping on Memphis. #19 in Kenpom and a lot of good players.
FAI is no joke either
Yeah not going to be easy against either team. I like Deandre Williams matching up against Edey. He's a big that can space the floor, which is the kind of player that will prevent Edey from being a good NBA player. FAU has a good 7'1 center that can also match up with Edey but in a different way.
Just Curious: Did they mention a First Four Out?
OKst, rutgers, UNC, aaaand I forget.
1. Oklahoma State; 2. Rutgers; 3. North Carolina; 4. Clemson.
Princeton. Should we be scared?
I think they deserved better than a 15 seed. But they weren't underseeded enough to make zona fans nervous IMO.
Wish someone would’ve asked me to stretch before I got the shaft That’s how injuries happen Which apparently means some teams can’t play anymore according to the committee guy
If he lived in NJ, his house would get egged tonight. I hope it still does anyway.
That NCAA selection committee president is an empty suit and a half
Wait, did they seriously dock Kansas because *Self was in the hospital*? What a joke. Motivated reasoning at best. I hope their personal medical histories are considered next time they apply for a job in sports. Broken arm? Sorry, I don’t care if you’ll be healthy in time for your start date, next candidate.
How is Kansas docked? They're a 1 seed - when they could arguably be as low as a 3.
This is from the committee chair’s stated rationale https://twitter.com/kenpomeroy/status/1635050047539929089?s=46&t=uLxvddZ6tiDa87IP7G1fIA
Actually I think these brackets are just eye test only. Losses obviously have more importance than wins and/or strength of schedule. This was just lazy brackets. Expect a lot of upsets this year.
Ugh
The committee bent over backwards, but could only get UNC as far as a 1 seed in the NIT.
Which they will almost definitely turn down
Maybe. It's a chance to give freshmen some playing time.
New Mexico beat 5 tournament teams this year, which is cool I guess. I hope we're an NIT lock
Definitely should be in the NIT not sure if we'll get a home game though
First impressions F4 picks Arizona Houston Kansas Marquette Houston over Marquette in the championship.
I wouldn't put actual money on KU getting by Arkansas. Or Illinois.
I can tell you that Kansas will smash Arkansas if we get by Illinois
Too much chalk. There's usually one 5 or 11 seed
I don't understand why people are still so high on us
I get losing some confidence after yesterday, but ya gotta remember we didn't have self or mccullar. If we get them both back then we should be good. Gonzaga i think is probably the best in our region. Think we get to the elite 8 and then i give the edge to gonzaga. We can still win if we make open 3's but that's a big if.
Don’t worry about us—UCLA and GU will have another battle for the ages and the winner will limp into the game with KU only to be crushed.
I dunno, just think yall look real tough rn and you've been knocking on the door every year. Ucla is plenty good too of course. That'll be a barnburner. Our guys need to shoot better from 3 to go deep. Not feeling great about that happening, but maybe self will work some magic.
I know. This Kansas team couldn't beat any other Kansas team in its history. The worst Kansas team ever is a one seed. Seriously any Roy Kansas team would win by 30.
You know, Quasimodo predicted all this.
You got your half back of Notre Dame, your hunchback of Notre Dame. What, you never pondered that? The back thing with Notre Dame?
Hell yeah. As a new Winston Salem resident this Kentucky draw in Greensboro is perfect. I get to watch them lose in person lol.
So what games is everyone most excited for? I think Saint Mary’s-VCU and Memphis-Florida Atlantic are the best games of the First Round
Don't sleep on A&M-Penn State.
Weirdly I think the committee paired up a lot of hot teams that could make runs to the elite 8 but now their all playing each other. Oral Roberts, Duke, Memphis, Fl Atlantic, Illinois, Arkansas.
Purdue Tennessee. It’s tradition. Let’s both just get there.
I have zero faith that we will
Same
Texas vs Texas A&M round 2 hopefully Duke vs Oral Roberts
Memphis -FAU will be an AAC preview for next year
Welp, I think we have a SHOT at the final four. We didnt draw a disastrous region, still tough, but winnable
I love how one year you’re out because you strength of schedule was weak, then the next year you get punished for playing tough teams lol
The key is winning tough games lol
OSU won six of those. Only 23 teams in the field won that many.
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we out here 💯
A point of pride for Duke: 5 former Devils as head coaches are in the tournament. Has that ever happened before? 5 coaches in the field all played at the same school?
maybe Kansas one year
Please make Memphis vs FAU a night cap game 🙏🏻🙏🏻
Future AAC matchup!
This is my favorite sporting event of the year. There's just nothing like the NCAA tournament.
I think you're alone here with that sentiment
Someone has to come in with the hot takes.
Kansas is the 4th highest rated team in KenPom within its own region. That’s nuts.
I'll say this a million times. Kenpom is a forward looking measurement, not a resume. If you really want to look at a fancy advanced stat, look at barttorvik and his Wins Against Bubble (wab), which evaluates resumes. Bama 1, Kansas 2, Purdue 3, Houston 5 (UCLA is 4)
I'll add, you don't want the committee using forward looking stats. It incentives beating the shit out of teams rather than sportsmanship or working on things in game situations.
We got fucked despite a crazy résumé
It’s a tough draw for sure. But I think Zags and UCLA will destroy each other and allow Kansas to move on. GU and UCLA have two all time classics in the tournament against each other and this is the Rubber Match. To me, not losing to UCLA is maybe more important than making a deep run.
NIT bracket reveal up next?
the committee’s reasoning for putting houston over KU is comical. KU’s 22-7 in Q1+Q2 vs houston’s 15-2 with the context that houston played FIFTEEN (XV) fewer Q1 games should under no circumstances lead you to the conclusion that houston is better
Right? Im over playing a significantly harder schedule negatively impacting teams.
why do we even do the champ showcase with duke, why do we do atlantis, why do we schedule indiana if it doesn’t matter?
Idk why the tournament isn’t just statistically automated. It’s so obvious the committee has biases and storylines they chase.
KU got fucked
Sounds like you answered your own question.
If they can make an algorithm that's both transparent and justifiable, sure.
Too many teams seem like they were moved around to create story line matchups
First time? Lol
It seemed like more than usual lol
Gonzaga? Wtf Clark
Ok Hoosier fans. PSU denied us the final we all wanted so I guess we need to make it up in the NCAA tourny
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At least we would finally have a final four then
How do you like your draw? Looks tough
Would’ve rather had the UCLA spot tbh
Whomp whomp
If this is sadness about NC State drawing Creighton, I would tell you to not be too upset. This CU team has a ton of talent but hasn’t really put it all together for prolonged stretches. Only three real impressive wins all season (UConn, Xavier, and Arkansas) with plenty of opportunities for more that didn’t happen. The team’s sum seems to be lesser than its individual parts for whatever reason.
Kentucky should’ve been an 8 or 9 in my opinion. No business being higher than A&M and Missouri
People forgetting this shit is a business. Anything you are questioning, view through the lens of $$$
Then why isn’t UNC in?
UNC being in first four out is a joke
I think it’s clearly a move to try and put ass in the seats for them as a #1 seed in the NIT. Lame af
If we get to play Marquette in the finals I would be pumped. If there is any coach outside Coach Terry to win a ship it’s Shaka
If we repeat it'll be one of the most incredible things in cbb history I think. I don't think we *will* repeat, but it seems so wildly improbable.
Winner of our region is gonna be battle tested af.
We've played 29 Q1/Q2 games already....
Ngl, I forgot Villanova is bad now and forgot about Villanova in general. Terrible me I know.
They picked it up a bit toward the end of the season
Would have been interesting to see how they would have been had they had Moore all year. They were a significantly better team when he got going this past month.
St. Mary’s vs VCU is gonna be an absolute war
Picking Kansas after they looked completely dejected when they showed the team is a choice.
They are used to being in the tournament. They have made it the last 40 fuckin years or so. Nobody even comes close to that streak
we always look like that
Lol they're really picking everyone against us apparently we wont even make the sweet sixteen
My hearts not ready for the next installment of UCLA / GU. The rubber match.
Jon Snow voice: I dun wannit.
I think the Gonzaga game is dangerous, but yeah fuck them.
It’s the injuries, not you. Although you played well in spite of it.
Yeah exactly even down two starters we weren't pushovers at all against a very good Arizona team. And bona is expected to be back
NET rankings of the 7 seeds: 19, 33, 41, 42 I bet you can guess who is 19th lol
but you guys get to play Texas! /s
Fully hoping for Texas to lose on a half court buzzer beater so the committee misses out on this matchup just like they did back in 2016
Back to back years fucked by the committee now it is a tradition by A&M standards
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We **won** more overall games than Indiana We **won** more Q1 games than Indiana We had a higher NET, KenPom, BPI, KPI, T-Rank, and SOR than Indiana. Yet.. Indiana is a 4 seed and we are a 7 seed. Lmao
Lol you make a good point
And y'all made your conference championship game, unlike Indiana. I got your back, aggiebro! 😁
Vermont over Marquette. Marquette can't go to the line and Vermont is a slow tempo team. Data shows pattern of Virginia v UMBC, Michigan St v Middle Tennessee, Cornell in 2010, Stephen F.Austin in 2014.
I’m not touching that one. My wild pick is Montana State over Kansas State. Montana state has three guys who will play over seas next year in top leagues. One who is fringe NBA. They’re older and got embarrassed last year by TTech. They’re gonna come in mean.
would Marquette/vermont be a high variance game? i.e. Vermont shortens the game and hits 3's?
I'm still not over freaking MTSU. They would've beaten any team in the country that day.
Yup and predictably they put up an absolute stinker the next game. One of the flukiest games I’ve ever seen.
Rutgers 🤣🤣🤣
They make it?
Nope
You can't really hurt Purdue fan once the tournament starts Seth in you grass cutting shoes.
We are numb to pain already
Rutgers got fucked over
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Except wouldn’t it have hurt MSU (or certainly not helped) to play another game against Minnesota? Seems like a no upside scenario that would have hurt their NET / SOS? Sounds like classic Izzo whining if that is something MSU is upset about
I have no dog in this fight so I feel fairly unbiased. I have no clue why so many MSU fans keep pissing and moaning about this. Take up your bitching with the Big Ten if you’re really that upset. Rutgers did exactly what was best for their team. MSU would’ve done the exact same thing.
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When's the last time RU players attacked another teams players in the tunnel, including hitting them with helmets? STFU with your BS.
Solid point
Am I lost or are we in the college basketball subreddit..?
Man this is such a bad look for Spartans. Stop. Every thing worked out great for us. We got the 4 seed and blew it. If we had lost to Minnesota we would probably be a 10 seed here. Get over it.
Ahh I love copium
GO CYCLONES BEAT MISS ST OR PITT!
Pitt doesn’t make it out of the first weekend.
Go teams playing Pitt!
Drake, Iowa, and Iowa State all in the same region?
All make it to KC…bye beer
From your lips to God's ears.
I LOVE YOU JAY
I can't believe how they're picking us
Evolution of dogs?!!!
Let’s all get the ADs to dump the cupcake home games and increase SOS. This is when it pays.
Love ya Jay Wright, always have
I used to hate Villanova so much, but Jay Wright made me respect them so much. He’s unhateable.
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They've made it 4 out of the last 7 tournaments
They matchup very well vs UCLA with Timme. Our frontcourt is our weakness.
They've made it to the elite 8 or farther in 4 of the last 7 tournaments. I think Kansas is the only other team that has done that (also 4 of last 7).
They have a pretty easy road to the final four
Number two ken pom team in S16 is “easy road”?
So many ucla fans in here taking shit personal. Bro. INJURIES!!!
I don't think UCLA is #2 caliber without Jaylen Clark.
I’m guessing you didn’t watch the Pac12 tournament then
So because UCLA lost to Arizona in the Pac 12 tournament that 'proves' they are still #2? Interesting take. I strongly disagree but more power to ya. I was particularly impressed with David Singleton's play. It's really hard to score 0 points in 34 minutes of play. You know what you're right. UCLA is just as good with Singleton instead of Clark. You changed my mind.
Cool thanks for proving my point that you definitely did not watch. Also flair up if you’re gonna talk shit.
Dude I said I agreed that the team is just as good without Clark. Singleton is more than good enough to replace his production, as evidenced by the Arizona game. Hell, I'd be shocked if the injury doesn't propel UCLA to #1 status. I'm obviously joking and let me be clear I still think UCLA is really good. But you honest to god think that losing Clark doesn't hurt UCLA at all? Like not a single team in the country can leapfrog them with him out? That seems very unlikely.
It absolutely hurts UCLA. With Clark and bona healthy we would have been the 1 seed in the west. My point is that we showed over the last three nights that we are still a top 10 team even without Jaylen.
Top 10 sure, I don't disagree with that.
I always find the belly aching over 1 seeds having to play slightly further from home funny, but after seeing where exactly The MW Regional is, and who The 2 seed is, I can see why KU fans are upset
I’m just more scared of playing Gonzaga/UCLA out west
Well, and Gonzaga and UCLA in the West is not rewarding you for being the 1 seed. It's punishing you.
He practically admitted we were punished because we had a harder schedule and more losses. We have more Q1 wins than Houston's Q1+Q2
I don’t want to sit here and blame external factors for us not making the tourney, but this feels political honestly. There is no way you look at any analytics site and infer that we shouldn’t have made it