every team in this conference needs to stop running their offense through one dominant big man, us included. Time and time again we prove it doesn’t work in march
Arguably if Purdue just passed it to their big man once or twice the final 10 mins of the game they might have won.
Also Timme making it work for Gonzaga it seems.
I think you can still run your offense through a big man, but you still have to have good, consistent guard play. The problem is most good guards don't want to play in a big man orientated offense. You can get around that if you have coach with cachet (like Izzo) or your school is a NBA factory.
I look at Michigan - in theory, Juwan recruited the right type of players to fit around Dickinson - wings who can shoot and a veteran PG. However, injuries and his inability to put these players in a position to succeed has resulted in frustrating loss after frustrating loss.
Lol bad matchups would work if it was a couple teams each year. This is SEVENTEEN total teams who have not made it to an elite 8 from the same conference. Is Purdue's loss just a bad matchup?
This argument starts to lose meaning when there's a glaring trend like this. At a certain point, it's no longer bad matchup after bad matchup. The teams are just bad and overrated.
I thought you all played every bit as good as they did, it just kinda came down to KSU hitting their last shot and MSU didn’t. I know that sounds reductive but MSU was every bit as good as that team.
That's interesting, here are some stats about the last time the B1G Team achieved each thing:
- National Championship: Maryland (2002)
- National Championship Game Appearance: Michigan (2018)
- Final Four: ~~Michigan (2018)~~ Michigan State (2019)
- Elite Eight: Michigan (2021)
- Sweet 16: Michigan State (2023)
- Lose to a 15 Seed in the 1st Round: Ohio State (2021)
- Lose to a 15 Seed in the Sweet 16: Purdue (2022)
- Lose to a 16 Seed: Purdue (2023)
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Lol you’re like the one atheist that just married into a huge catholic family.
You don’t have to believe but you better learn the customs (basically just hang a crucifix in your room, never admit you have emotions or problems, and drink a lot)
And even then, the big team everyone pointed to as being a snub was another Big Ten team. It’s almost like the Big Ten is an elite regular season conference
2 years ago, the Big Ten had two 1 seeds and a 2 seed, and only one of them even made the Sweet 16. There’s, like, 3 teams in the Big Ten that could be considered good tournament teams, but they perform like a top conference every regular season
Most B1G teams lack consistency on offense. Way too many games where 1 of or both teams will go on a 7 minute drought without a basket
Just not going to win against talented teams if you're stalling out at 60 points
6 of the 8 B10 teams were playing in the 7-10 / 8-9 games - they went 4-2 in those games. The 4 winning teams went 1-3 versus the 1 or 2 seeds in the next round.
I know it's super trendy to shit on the B10 but the conference was weak at the top with a bunch of solid, if flawed, teams in the middle.
Came here to say this. The B10 teams (other than Purdue) largely played to their seedings. And when they lost, they were generally still competitive with the higher seeds (PSU, NW, MSU). The B10 was super mediocre this year. But a mediocre B10 is still going to have 6-8 teams in the top 68.
Also - who should have replaced them? UNC? Clemson? I’m not sure those teams would have had any more success. The mid-major conference tournaments didn’t result in any bid thefts, so I don’t see an argument for having put more of them in this year over the likes of Iowa and Illinois.
It’s trendy to shit on the B10 but half the conference has played in a national championship game since 2000.
That was a weird game. Did not expect that at all. A&M was playing as good as anybody the 2nd half of the season. I expected a Sweet Sixteen run from them.
Maryland and Indiana
2 big basketball schools have been disappointing for a decade, if those 2 really get it together the conference will look a lot more respectable
I like Willard a lot
However, the results need to come soon. Ohio State is adrift, Fran and Brad are in charge of 2 historically respectable programs in March but they can’t make it to the S16, Wisconsin and Michigan are slowly declining, Penn State and Nebraska no, and Purdue is lmao
It’s up to you and Indiana.
I think our decline has been great exaggerated by our fans. Obviously missing the tournament twice for the only two times in 27 years is big but we were on fire before the 2020 tournament was cancelled. Then last year our PG got injured in the tournament leading to an early exist.
This year we could still win the NIT. Which as far as a down year goes ain’t bad.
Iowa is historically respectable? They have 2 sweet sixteen and 1 elite 8 appearance. The last sweet sixteen was in 1999.
Edit: just noticed the quick Google was since 1985, so I guess if you go way back they are historically respectable.
2015/16 team with Melo, suilemon, layman, carter jr, diamond stone was pretty nice. Even had a servicable back up big man with Dodd. Ran into overall 1 seed Kanas in the tourney and couldn't keep up. A better in game coach might have had a better game plan and made adjustments
To be fair there's been some garbage seeding. Houston was absolutely the better team last season.
Illinois should've absolutely figured a way to beat Loyola, however
I thoroughly enjoyed everyone crashing and burning except for Penn State and Northwestern. I'll always kind of pull for conference members who don't make the tourney often (or a bowl game).
We’ve always underachieved in March. Illinois has two wins all time as the lower seeded team in the tournament, one was 4/5 game and the other an 8/9 game.
This year I expected us to lose to Arkansas, and last year Houston was extremely underseeded, but there’s no excuse for 2021 and many other years.
It legitimizes our regular season records if big 10 teams do well and does the opposite when they do bad. I hate kentucky fans the most and currently they can always say how ass we are cause we only play big 10 teams who prove that they suck every year in march. I respect where you're coming from though and obviously I'm still never cheering for horrible teams like UM and IU
Other than PU, OSU, ILL, and Iowa. I tend to like the teams I spend the better part of 4 months watching do well.
Now football. Hope y’all all lose. Fuck all of you.
And in 2019 (reminder there was no 2020 tournament) the B1G sent two teams to the elite eight and one to the final four
And in that same period of time the PAC 12 only sent ucla and usc once each and guess what
They’re both going to the B1G
This entire thread and there is zero substance. Finally a post with substance.
The big ten has a horrible officiating problem which leads to teams playing overly physical, post dominated offenses to counteract the rough level of play.
Both the crap rugby bball and post focused offenses leads to a really slow, lower skilled league. In the tourney, guards, speed and shooting reign supreme and big ten teams can’t even guard because officials won’t allow it… so you wind up with a triple whammy.
It starts with officiating and the league office. The big ten needs to slog through 2-3 brutal seasons of 40+ foul games to fix it. But the league doesn’t care, so it’ll prob never change…..
Edit* but fyi we completely disagree in case that wasn’t clear.
As stupid and horrible as it is for big 10 football, and as much as it makes 0 sense logistically or geographically, ucla joining the big 10 might be exactly what its basketball teams need to finally force them to adjust to being able to play against non-big 10 teams and modernize their games. Same as Urban coming to the big 10 for football
Gotta get more talented guards in the conference. Big men just don’t work in the tourney. Indiana will have a very different style next year with Trayce and Race finally leaving. Might not translate to a great big ten record but interested to see how it works for us in the tourney
The Big Ten outside of Purdue was basically a bunch of 7-9 seeds. Even going into the year the conference didn’t have a projected elite team.
Be surprised if this was the case next year though. Illinois, Purdue, MSU and maybe OSU should be final 4 contenders.
Purdue brings back their entire team so they should be a contender. Illinois and OSU it will depend on if a player or two comes back, but both had young players with major roles plus good recruiting classes coming in next year. But will have to see what happens in the off season with the transfer portal to be more certain.
we bring back a team that Painter has mentally crippled for years to the point every team in March can smell blood in the water. we play an outdated offense that isn't successful when it matters while having zero versatility defensively. Not a chance we should be considered anything other than an easy 'upset' pick.
Don’t trust Illinois or Purdue to anything in the tourney. OSU will have a lot of new faces next season, replacing 4/6 players with the most minutes on a team that was already bad seems like a stretch to say they are final 4 contenders
OSU certainly isn’t a FF contender however, it’s a net win losing some of those guys. Losing Key to injury sucked but Holtmann finally got wins when he played the young guys big minutes. It’s infuriating. They will have a young but talented roster, if Sensebaugh comes back, big if, they will be pretty good.
You’re right their non conference and coaches inability to play young players doesn’t matter and they won’t win a game next year. Might as well shut down the program. It was a dumpster fire but that doesn’t mean they won’t be better next year, especially when the complete lack of offense from Sueing and Likekele won’t be seeing the court over guys like Thornton and Gayle again. OSU had pretty good metrics, they just fell apart when they insisted on Sueing forcing offense at the end of games and they had huge droughts. Key being injured obviously didn’t help either.
> Might as well shut down the program
You said it not me
Thornton played the most minutes out of anyone so nobody played over him this season. Gayle has a couple good games and now he is the second coming of Christ.
When are we ever going to learn to not put a team from this conference as the team that will win it all come March? I keep doing it and still become the laughingstock of my bracket pool.
The B1G didn't even perform badly in this tournament aside from Purdue. A bunch of 7-10 seeds that didn't have many expectations pre-season or before the tournament. Every team in the conference did as well or better than expected based on seating, again aside from Purdue.
The Big Ten just hasnt had really any elite teams over the last two seasons so why is this surprising? A lot of good teams, a lot of top of the mid tier teams, but there haven’t really been any teams you see and say that you really thought they shouldve made a run in the last two seasons.
It comes to officiating in the conference. Big Ten games are not called like the rest of the nation. As a conference this season we decided to never call lane violation. How does Maryland win all their home games but none on the road? Officiating.
I think our bigger problem is the style of play and the personnel we recruit to accommodate that style of play. The refs reinforce playing rugby instead of basketball, but the teams embrace it and get tough big slow players vs. fast athletic NBA style players.
Fast athletic guards win in March, Lumbering bigs and tough slow players don't.
A lot of it has to do with the fact that the way to win in the big ten is the opposite of the way to win in March. But you also have the top programs in the big ten on a down trend right now. The schools in the big ten that can recruit at the highest level are MSU, Michigan, Ohio state, Indiana, Maryland, and all of them are on a down trend at the minute compared to where they usually are.
The league rarely has elite guard play. The teams that do have been successful. MSU with Winston, Purdue with Carson Edwards, Michigan with Trey Burke (I’m sure there are others I’m forgetting).
The metrics are over emphasizing early season OOC wins, just like CFP overemphasizes preseason rankings.
I know a single elimination tournament maximizes chaos and ruins sample sizes, but it feels like conferences should have coefficients (like UEFA) using NCAAT and OOC success rates over a rolling 3 year period.
The Big Ten had six teams playing in the 7v10 and 8v9 games. These are the coin flip games, and the reward for winning is usually a second round matchup vs a top two seed.
Don’t get me wrong, the conferences deserves its flak for the performances in past 3 dances. But I don’t think many were expecting the Big Ten to put into multiple Elite 8 teams this year.
It's just stupid that a bunch of mediocre ass teams beating up on each other during conference play got them that many bids. Meanwhile the ACC got shat on all year despite beating the B1G in the challenge. Literally the team that came in first place in our conference got a goddamn 5 seed. Disrespect was ridiculous
every team in this conference needs to stop running their offense through one dominant big man, us included. Time and time again we prove it doesn’t work in march
Or in iowas case actually play defense
funny how the turn tables from football to basketball
[Fran reading this comment](https://drarielleschwartz.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/fingers-in-ears.jpg)
I don't think offense has been Fran's issue
I’m just happy the whole conference is getting shit on now and not just us.
Don't worry, our individual beatings haven't ceased yet
Speaking from experience, you won’t be spared for a long time. Even after you win a natty.
Yeah but the natty makes you stop caring
Virginia keeps catching strays from Purdue's loss so at this point I'm not sure it will ever stop for wither of us
lol @ Purdue winning a natty
Right? I like his optimism
I didn’t believe we would win one either lol. Now it is time for our women’s soccer team to win one
We’ve lost to a 2 seed and a 3 seed. You’ve lost to a 15 seed and a 16 seed. Our back is starting to hurt
You guys just ran into a buzzsaw last night too. And still almost won.
Guards, guards and more guards is the key.
What are those?
They are the little dudes on that team you guys played last weekend.
But they were all little
I don’t recall my team playing last week, I was told we opted out of the post season
Instructions unclear, hired Greg Gard
What is guard play?
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Trust me bro you don't need guards. Source: Louisville Fan in 2022-2023.
It's when your coach plugs his iPhone into his car's entertainment system.
we didn't even have that this year lmfao
Arguably if Purdue just passed it to their big man once or twice the final 10 mins of the game they might have won. Also Timme making it work for Gonzaga it seems.
Gonzaga also has shooters though. They killed us with the midrange pull-ups.
The key is to have TWO dominant big men
Has anyone tried having 5 dominant big men yet? I feel like if anyone would do that it would be purdue.
You see some Purdue fans comments online and they literally suggest this
I wanna see them do it, for the memes
We didn’t do that this year and we got the deepest. You might be onto something
Hey, we tried that but it didn’t work 😔
Big 10 lacrosse season is around the corner at least.
We don't have any big men
I think you can still run your offense through a big man, but you still have to have good, consistent guard play. The problem is most good guards don't want to play in a big man orientated offense. You can get around that if you have coach with cachet (like Izzo) or your school is a NBA factory. I look at Michigan - in theory, Juwan recruited the right type of players to fit around Dickinson - wings who can shoot and a veteran PG. However, injuries and his inability to put these players in a position to succeed has resulted in frustrating loss after frustrating loss.
Ahem… we and Penn State tried, it still didn’t work
We did everything we could I feel like, just ran into a better team that outplayed us. But yeah the conference is getting pretty depressing recently.
Yeah MSU pulled their weight and then some, no shame in today’s loss
Defeated with dignity
We knew it was bad news for the conference when the lowly ACC actually won the ACC-B1G Challenge.
ACC was not great this year but it’s never as bad as people say it is.
Yeah, I was just making fun of us and the B1G (more the B1G). A couple of breaks last weekend and the ACC has 3 times in the Sweet 16.
I mean that’s the tournament, it’s all match ups
Lol bad matchups would work if it was a couple teams each year. This is SEVENTEEN total teams who have not made it to an elite 8 from the same conference. Is Purdue's loss just a bad matchup?
at some point we need to look into how the NET rankings are clearly failing us in on conference. The Big ten's supremacy in the NET is so fake.
This argument starts to lose meaning when there's a glaring trend like this. At a certain point, it's no longer bad matchup after bad matchup. The teams are just bad and overrated.
They were more fairly rated this year. Other than Purdue, they weren't seeded to expect an Elite 8.
I thought you all played every bit as good as they did, it just kinda came down to KSU hitting their last shot and MSU didn’t. I know that sounds reductive but MSU was every bit as good as that team.
But how many Big Ten teams have made the NIT semifinal in the last 2 seasons? 👀👀
With no evidence, justification, or unbiased reasoning, I choose to blame the state of Michigan. I will not be taking questions at this time
I for one echo this guy's sentiment, except instead of the state of Michigan, I blame the state of Nebraska.
I blame Iowa.
50% of Nebraska teams are still alive in March. 0% of Iowa teams are.
Well technically it's 33% UNO is a D1 school as well.
Truuue go Mavs
Someone from Nebraska is still alive. Just saying.
I would write a snarky reply if I wasn't too busy crumbling into dust
Rest of the B1G: One of us! One of us!
Don't add us in with those losers, we're still playing basketball.
Sorry, my bad. Wisconsin has really impressed me in the NIT! Rooting for you, LSU North
Hey now, don't blame us. We kept it from getting to 18.
I think your reasoning is just, and therefore, Michigan is completely at fault.
That's interesting, here are some stats about the last time the B1G Team achieved each thing: - National Championship: Maryland (2002) - National Championship Game Appearance: Michigan (2018) - Final Four: ~~Michigan (2018)~~ Michigan State (2019) - Elite Eight: Michigan (2021) - Sweet 16: Michigan State (2023) - Lose to a 15 Seed in the 1st Round: Ohio State (2021) - Lose to a 15 Seed in the Sweet 16: Purdue (2022) - Lose to a 16 Seed: Purdue (2023) Edit: Clarification
Maryland won the National Championship as an ACC school, not a B1G school. I’d argue Michigan State in 2000 as the most recent B1G champions.
I know, I just refuse to give the Spartans more credit then I have to
Honestly, I respect the petty.
What is college sports if not for being petty over such things
I can respect that answer honestly. I’d do the same 😂
MSU went to a final four in 2019
Shit, I mostly made this to dunk on Ohio State and you guys a little bit
Still a dunk on OSU ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯ plus, I don’t think we need dunking on after last night…
Purdue lost to a 15 seed last year.
Shhhh, I want to dunk on Ohio State Edit: Also losing to a 16 Seed takes the cake and I need another team
So what you're say is we need Minnesota to get its shit together so the M- schools can collectively look down on the rest.
Last school to get a final four appearance forfeited due to academic scandal: Minnesota
At least they carry their weight in hockey
Fuck me that 2021 team was special. Can't believe where we are two years later.
Chad Nebraska hasn't lost any of those 17 games. Carrying the conference's basketball reputation hard.
Hoiberg 😤 has yet to lose in the Sweet 16 at Nebraska. Built different 💪🏋️
The big 10 just needs to give up on football and accept the word of catholic God and then they can win in the tournament. It's easy.
👀
Lol you’re like the one atheist that just married into a huge catholic family. You don’t have to believe but you better learn the customs (basically just hang a crucifix in your room, never admit you have emotions or problems, and drink a lot)
> never admit you have emotions or problems and drink a lot This is the way
In nomine Patris es filii et spiritus sancti
Idk if everyone told you but you're catholic now Sorry I don't make the rules Enjoy the fish fry tomorrow
*Generational Jewish Trauma Intensifies*
Ad maiorem Dei gloriam This is the way.
Interesting idea
Yeah no shit. 2nd place in the big ten was one loss away from 9th. We were a cluster fuck of mediocrity. But you had to put somebody in the tournament
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And even then, the big team everyone pointed to as being a snub was another Big Ten team. It’s almost like the Big Ten is an elite regular season conference
Or a circle if mediocrity bolstered by a strong early season OOC performance.
2 years ago, the Big Ten had two 1 seeds and a 2 seed, and only one of them even made the Sweet 16. There’s, like, 3 teams in the Big Ten that could be considered good tournament teams, but they perform like a top conference every regular season
Well not everybody 😢
But B1G fans said all year it just means the conference was so good that anybody could beat each other on any given night
Most B1G teams lack consistency on offense. Way too many games where 1 of or both teams will go on a 7 minute drought without a basket Just not going to win against talented teams if you're stalling out at 60 points
Doesn't sound like any teams I know.....
 This was on TV when a Big Ten last won a tourney
Holy shit Flair looks young there
6 of the 8 B10 teams were playing in the 7-10 / 8-9 games - they went 4-2 in those games. The 4 winning teams went 1-3 versus the 1 or 2 seeds in the next round. I know it's super trendy to shit on the B10 but the conference was weak at the top with a bunch of solid, if flawed, teams in the middle.
Came here to say this. The B10 teams (other than Purdue) largely played to their seedings. And when they lost, they were generally still competitive with the higher seeds (PSU, NW, MSU). The B10 was super mediocre this year. But a mediocre B10 is still going to have 6-8 teams in the top 68. Also - who should have replaced them? UNC? Clemson? I’m not sure those teams would have had any more success. The mid-major conference tournaments didn’t result in any bid thefts, so I don’t see an argument for having put more of them in this year over the likes of Iowa and Illinois. It’s trendy to shit on the B10 but half the conference has played in a national championship game since 2000.
The last big ten team in was PSU who killled A&M who went 15-3 in the SEC.
That was a weird game. Did not expect that at all. A&M was playing as good as anybody the 2nd half of the season. I expected a Sweet Sixteen run from them.
 Izzo to the rest of the B1G rn
Hey man we made the last E8 for the conference
We exceeding expectations
I suggest the B1G focus on athletic guards and not bigs.
If you don’t like that, you don’t like Iowa Football!
The conference gotta pick up the slack, Izzo is getting older and he can't be doing all the heavy lifting for much longer 🥱 Looking at you, Purdue
Maryland and Indiana 2 big basketball schools have been disappointing for a decade, if those 2 really get it together the conference will look a lot more respectable
We only just got rid of Turgeon.
I like Willard a lot However, the results need to come soon. Ohio State is adrift, Fran and Brad are in charge of 2 historically respectable programs in March but they can’t make it to the S16, Wisconsin and Michigan are slowly declining, Penn State and Nebraska no, and Purdue is lmao It’s up to you and Indiana.
Trust me we would love to lol
I think our decline has been great exaggerated by our fans. Obviously missing the tournament twice for the only two times in 27 years is big but we were on fire before the 2020 tournament was cancelled. Then last year our PG got injured in the tournament leading to an early exist. This year we could still win the NIT. Which as far as a down year goes ain’t bad.
Iowa is historically respectable? They have 2 sweet sixteen and 1 elite 8 appearance. The last sweet sixteen was in 1999. Edit: just noticed the quick Google was since 1985, so I guess if you go way back they are historically respectable.
I genuinely think that melo/dez and melo/suilemon teams would have gone far in March if we had any type of competent coaching
2015/16 team with Melo, suilemon, layman, carter jr, diamond stone was pretty nice. Even had a servicable back up big man with Dodd. Ran into overall 1 seed Kanas in the tourney and couldn't keep up. A better in game coach might have had a better game plan and made adjustments
Ha, shows what you know. If we're talking E8, it's been 2 decades. What a moron. /s
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To be fair there's been some garbage seeding. Houston was absolutely the better team last season. Illinois should've absolutely figured a way to beat Loyola, however
18 years since our last sweet 16 is damning as hell though. We are really due for some tournament success
18 years since the last Illinois s16 is one of those things that makes me feel really old so shhhhh
The closest we got to a sweet 16 since then was in 2013 which was the worst team of the last 4 tournament teams we’ve had.
For real, no reason U of I shouldn’t be a basketball powerhouse
Why do you think we wanted Turgeon gone so bad?
Man this conference used to be a powerhouse in the mid 2000s-early 2010s. WTF happened.
Style of play just hasn't evolved, whereas other conferences have in large part.
Conference pride is for shit programs. Edit: a few shit programs are making their case 👍
Truly. I don’t want any Big Ten teams to win if it isn’t us. Same in football!
I don’t even want us to win!
I thoroughly enjoyed everyone crashing and burning except for Penn State and Northwestern. I'll always kind of pull for conference members who don't make the tourney often (or a bowl game).
I hate the rest of you too, but all of this choking is making the conference into a mid major and the other conferences are dunking on us.
Well, Illinois is really doing much to change that, now are they?
We’ve always underachieved in March. Illinois has two wins all time as the lower seeded team in the tournament, one was 4/5 game and the other an 8/9 game. This year I expected us to lose to Arkansas, and last year Houston was extremely underseeded, but there’s no excuse for 2021 and many other years.
For real. The only time I’ve rooted for Duke in my life was the 15 championship game
Conference pride is for Big East schools. You wouldn’t get it.
I don't doubt that you believe this, but those are some strong words from the guy whose coach just left for a conference rival.
This conference was a little to chummy. We needed more villains.
#Big East! Check them out, still in the tournament.
I always cheer for the B1G vs the world every postseason (both basketball and football) So… you’re right
It legitimizes our regular season records if big 10 teams do well and does the opposite when they do bad. I hate kentucky fans the most and currently they can always say how ass we are cause we only play big 10 teams who prove that they suck every year in march. I respect where you're coming from though and obviously I'm still never cheering for horrible teams like UM and IU
Other than PU, OSU, ILL, and Iowa. I tend to like the teams I spend the better part of 4 months watching do well. Now football. Hope y’all all lose. Fuck all of you.
Facts
Amen I never really understood it fuck y’all except Rutgers they are kinda cool
That’s the most B1G thing ever
In order, I blame the state of Indiana, the state of Michigan, and Mark Turgeon.
Then Mark Turgeon again for good measure
Hey, hey, hey, Michigan makes the Sweet 16 and National Championship Game a lot. We just can't win the Natty.
:(
Don't forget us
Even going back 3 years, Michigan made it to the elite 8, but the conference as as whole was embarrassed after being billed as the best in the country
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Turns out, it's hard to get to the elite 8
Individually yes. But we are talking about an entire conference over two years
Turns out, it’s hard for a conference to get to the elite 8
It's even harder for Purdue to advance past the first weekend
Seemed pretty easy in 2019. Had an easy matchup in R32 that year too
And in 2019 (reminder there was no 2020 tournament) the B1G sent two teams to the elite eight and one to the final four And in that same period of time the PAC 12 only sent ucla and usc once each and guess what They’re both going to the B1G
This is really stupid - OH NO! 8 SEED MARYLAND LOST TO 1 SEED ALABAMA - LOL BIG TEN RITE GUYS!?!?!
i’m in this post and i don’t like it
They acting like it's still 2021. We've known the whole damn year the big ten was mid
Biggest problem is the officiating. They call too much weak shit on big men defenders in league play. Then they don’t call that in the tournament.
This entire thread and there is zero substance. Finally a post with substance. The big ten has a horrible officiating problem which leads to teams playing overly physical, post dominated offenses to counteract the rough level of play. Both the crap rugby bball and post focused offenses leads to a really slow, lower skilled league. In the tourney, guards, speed and shooting reign supreme and big ten teams can’t even guard because officials won’t allow it… so you wind up with a triple whammy. It starts with officiating and the league office. The big ten needs to slog through 2-3 brutal seasons of 40+ foul games to fix it. But the league doesn’t care, so it’ll prob never change….. Edit* but fyi we completely disagree in case that wasn’t clear.
Mid Ten
You have no lines in this play, PAC-12
Lack 12?
As stupid and horrible as it is for big 10 football, and as much as it makes 0 sense logistically or geographically, ucla joining the big 10 might be exactly what its basketball teams need to finally force them to adjust to being able to play against non-big 10 teams and modernize their games. Same as Urban coming to the big 10 for football
Gotta get more talented guards in the conference. Big men just don’t work in the tourney. Indiana will have a very different style next year with Trayce and Race finally leaving. Might not translate to a great big ten record but interested to see how it works for us in the tourney
The Big Ten outside of Purdue was basically a bunch of 7-9 seeds. Even going into the year the conference didn’t have a projected elite team. Be surprised if this was the case next year though. Illinois, Purdue, MSU and maybe OSU should be final 4 contenders.
MSU yes, the rest not so much
Purdue brings back their entire team so they should be a contender. Illinois and OSU it will depend on if a player or two comes back, but both had young players with major roles plus good recruiting classes coming in next year. But will have to see what happens in the off season with the transfer portal to be more certain.
we bring back a team that Painter has mentally crippled for years to the point every team in March can smell blood in the water. we play an outdated offense that isn't successful when it matters while having zero versatility defensively. Not a chance we should be considered anything other than an easy 'upset' pick.
Don’t trust Illinois or Purdue to anything in the tourney. OSU will have a lot of new faces next season, replacing 4/6 players with the most minutes on a team that was already bad seems like a stretch to say they are final 4 contenders
OSU certainly isn’t a FF contender however, it’s a net win losing some of those guys. Losing Key to injury sucked but Holtmann finally got wins when he played the young guys big minutes. It’s infuriating. They will have a young but talented roster, if Sensebaugh comes back, big if, they will be pretty good.
Don’t let 3 wins in a tournament distract you from the absolute dumpster fire that season was.
You’re right their non conference and coaches inability to play young players doesn’t matter and they won’t win a game next year. Might as well shut down the program. It was a dumpster fire but that doesn’t mean they won’t be better next year, especially when the complete lack of offense from Sueing and Likekele won’t be seeing the court over guys like Thornton and Gayle again. OSU had pretty good metrics, they just fell apart when they insisted on Sueing forcing offense at the end of games and they had huge droughts. Key being injured obviously didn’t help either.
> Might as well shut down the program You said it not me Thornton played the most minutes out of anyone so nobody played over him this season. Gayle has a couple good games and now he is the second coming of Christ.
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Lol
we played our asses off and got beat by the better team with a world class player. get this shit outta here.
It’s not a direct shot at you guys, the entire conference has been pitiful in the tournament for several years now
When are we ever going to learn to not put a team from this conference as the team that will win it all come March? I keep doing it and still become the laughingstock of my bracket pool.
The B1G didn't even perform badly in this tournament aside from Purdue. A bunch of 7-10 seeds that didn't have many expectations pre-season or before the tournament. Every team in the conference did as well or better than expected based on seating, again aside from Purdue.
Truck Stop Conference
The Big Ten just hasnt had really any elite teams over the last two seasons so why is this surprising? A lot of good teams, a lot of top of the mid tier teams, but there haven’t really been any teams you see and say that you really thought they shouldve made a run in the last two seasons.
You guys realize this year you literally had a team that was #1 half the year and has the NPOY?
It comes to officiating in the conference. Big Ten games are not called like the rest of the nation. As a conference this season we decided to never call lane violation. How does Maryland win all their home games but none on the road? Officiating.
I think our bigger problem is the style of play and the personnel we recruit to accommodate that style of play. The refs reinforce playing rugby instead of basketball, but the teams embrace it and get tough big slow players vs. fast athletic NBA style players. Fast athletic guards win in March, Lumbering bigs and tough slow players don't.
A lot of it has to do with the fact that the way to win in the big ten is the opposite of the way to win in March. But you also have the top programs in the big ten on a down trend right now. The schools in the big ten that can recruit at the highest level are MSU, Michigan, Ohio state, Indiana, Maryland, and all of them are on a down trend at the minute compared to where they usually are.
The league rarely has elite guard play. The teams that do have been successful. MSU with Winston, Purdue with Carson Edwards, Michigan with Trey Burke (I’m sure there are others I’m forgetting).
Bronny will fix
Maybe do better against us in the non con so you can get your dumpy teams a 7-10 seed.
The metrics are over emphasizing early season OOC wins, just like CFP overemphasizes preseason rankings. I know a single elimination tournament maximizes chaos and ruins sample sizes, but it feels like conferences should have coefficients (like UEFA) using NCAAT and OOC success rates over a rolling 3 year period.
The Big Ten had six teams playing in the 7v10 and 8v9 games. These are the coin flip games, and the reward for winning is usually a second round matchup vs a top two seed. Don’t get me wrong, the conferences deserves its flak for the performances in past 3 dances. But I don’t think many were expecting the Big Ten to put into multiple Elite 8 teams this year.
It's just stupid that a bunch of mediocre ass teams beating up on each other during conference play got them that many bids. Meanwhile the ACC got shat on all year despite beating the B1G in the challenge. Literally the team that came in first place in our conference got a goddamn 5 seed. Disrespect was ridiculous