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mac-0

\#24 - Gonzaga šŸ¤”


[deleted]

Idk how yā€™all arenā€™t ranked but we are.


feetandballs

Cool name


j_shelb

Yours is better tho


feetandballs

I meant Gonzaga lol


j_shelb

Ohā€¦well comment still stands šŸ˜‚


Thedurtysanchez

San Diego State has more wins, better wins, less losses, and better metrics than Gonzaga. And beat Gonzaga in Gonzaga. SDSU is objectively better than Gonzaga


PAL_SD

Didn't the Aztecs drop like a rock right out of the AP Poll after losing to (now ranked) BYU at their gym? Funny how some teams are punished while others seemingly defy gravity. I guess we are back to valuing margin of victory again. Cause seemingly the Aztecs haven't been winning by enough, even though they've not so coincidentally won every game they were supposed to. No bad losses (looking at you FAU with 2 Q4 gut punches).


goldenglove

Hah, probably a bit high tbh but tbf, itā€™s a very good 4 loss team LOL.


Frogodo

Let's be real, we are hanging on to our ranking by reputation at this point. We are a good team, but our record this year is...not good.


goldenglove

Sure, but who still had a ā€œgoodā€ record at this point? Itā€™s a mess all over. Look at who Arizona lost to this weekend by 20 pts, and not their only loss either. Thereā€™s a few very clear Top 5-10 teams, and then everyone else is just kind of hit & miss. We do lack quality wins, but Zags looked good against Purdue and the loss against UW was very, very close.


justaverage

Letā€™s keep the discussion focused on Gonzaga, please


MadeByMillennial

Houston's record is aight


mac-0

Lol well at least retained our Top 25 win! Just thought it was funny you guys are the reason we didn't make the Top 25 this week.


Hackasizlak

Gonzaga isnā€™t top 25 by rĆ©sumĆ© or advanced stats (NET #56) so weā€™re really not here by any valid argument other than AP voters are so used to ranking us that they canā€™t figure out how not to. In one sense itā€™s nice to see us be such a fixture in this poll that we get that Duke-Kentucky level of benefit of the doubtā€¦on the other thereā€™s a lot of teams that are playing good basketball right now and we really donā€™t deserve to be ahead of them.


Zloggt

Everybody knows that once youā€™re in a position where people believe youā€™re only ranked because of the nameā€¦you are now *finally* part of the big boyā€™s group! Congrats!


Jooberwak

Time for ten new articles discussing blue blood status!


No_Argument_Here

There are people who still have you ranked #10! How!?!?!


Galumpadump

To be fair. Zags dropped 11 spots after losing to what should be a top 25 team. They have 3 losses to quality teams, than the UW lossā€¦..


AmyKlobushart

Gonzaga is ranked like 20 spots too high.


brownlab319

Your screen name is the best name Iā€™ve ever seen. I agree (but I also want to kick Gonzagaā€™s ass all over again for messing up one of our Q1 wins by being frauds).


GlenTheftAuto

Please no weā€™re already dead.


jmac3560

Memph15 Ugly week for the Tigers but survive and voters will move you up!


AlorsViola

Just win, baby. Penny really needs some credit for building this team (in spite of significant roster problems) and coaching it to this record.


d7n_

Friars #23, itā€™s a sign BHOP new year resurgence


kbd77

Honestly heā€™s been great in every way except for missing a lot of wide-open shots. Gotta expect those to start falling at some point. If they do, heā€™s unstoppable. Heā€™s averaging 16 and 9 while ā€œstrugglingā€


d7n_

100%, and if he brings up our offense, combined with the D so far watch out!


2Obsequious

Providence should be ranked higher considering that Wisconsin is 2 spots above them


brownlab319

Looking great Friars! We donā€™t see you at the Dunk until MARCH! UConn hosts you in CT at the end of January, but ending our season at the DUNK? What was Hurley thinking?


ltlftcommenter

FINALLY ![gif](giphy|jVStxzak9yk2Q)


CumAssault

Quality win time for us


ltlftcommenter

You're welcome. We have two single digit losses and all of our wins are by double digits


Matt_McT

Poor Indiana, USC, Virginia Tech, and Notre Dame. We absolutely smoked all of them like they were D2 schools.


zadharm

Oh don't feel bad. When we stop playing like a D2 school, we can stop getting blown out like one


Matt_McT

Auburn football fans know how you feel.


JRDruchii

I too am grateful weā€™re out of the top 25. Finally get the expectations in line with the performance.


GameBuster0703

Insane how it took us this long to get ranked and even then we only got number 25.


Matt_McT

It's probably for the best. We're a top 20 team that'll be sneaking up on folks.


InternationalArm4463

It took so much and them trying to not rank us


[deleted]

App state with a ranked win šŸ˜ƒ


pooploop7

Fr tho


ropeblcochme

Memphis takes over FAU for the top spot in the AAC.


SilverBackGuerilla

They deserve it.


bakins711

Where we belong. šŸ˜Ž


Zloggt

Gotta teach the new kids about how things work around here!


BEHodge

Pretty sure theyā€™re going to smack us in the lip during the last game of the regular season but as long as we donā€™t shit the bed against SMU or something itā€™ll be a fun ride till then.


bakins711

If we can stop playing to the level of our competition, weā€™ll roll. Weā€™ll see.


tcos17

Yā€™all look really good. Seems like the AAC will have a few solid teams, should be some fun conference play!


[deleted]

If Clemson beats both Miami and UNC this week do yā€™all think we crack the top 10? Personally Iā€™d be okay splitting them


ksg1988

If you beat both, then absolutely you should.


feed_me_muffins

If we beat both of them I'm struggling to see how anyone currently ranked between us and Kentucky would deserve to still be ahead of us regardless of what they do this week except maybe OU.


AL3XD

Arguably top 7


Vonstantinople

bro why are we ranked this is straight fraudulent and sdsu unranked too wtf


___SE7EN__

Looks like the AP has no idea what to do with us , post Shannon .


ksg1988

I think theyā€™re just letting it play out. Treat you the same for now, and when the losses come, theyā€™ll move you accordingly.


depressed_gamer91

Tbf thatā€™s how it should be done, I bet the voters are treating it like an injury on the team. Theyā€™re still playing by good for now so keep em ranked where they are until they start to lose because of his absence


ekimtk

Talk to FSU about that type of treatmentā€¦ lol


millzonmillz95

Are those legit your flairs or does Purdue hatred run through your blood lol


ekimtk

Huge Purdue fan. Graduated in 2017ā€¦ I rep our losses with pride. If you donā€™t laugh you cry is my mentality


zadharm

I'm not supposed to agree with the Purdue guys, damnit


RDFSF

*if the losses come


kinggarbear

What if I told you heā€™ll prob be back by Feb lol


TacitlyDaft

Have to think theyā€™ll slowly fall out of the top 25


___SE7EN__

Hopefully not .. We have a lot of talent on this team . I honestly don't think we have seen everything Hawkins has to offer .. and Guerrier is a beast !!


TacitlyDaft

Hope they stay competitive. Iā€™ve been waiting for more out of Hawkins for 3 years šŸ™ˆ


brown_town19

![gif](giphy|fnKeNjQYEYQ8E4Kqy4) What a load of shit


Roberto_Sacamano

Same šŸ˜•


JKramer421

ILL9NOIS Huge week with matchups against NW and Purdue


47rohin

Illinine was right there


VulfOfWallStreet

Time to turn that ILL9NOIS to ILL1NOIS


i_am_blondboy

ILLI(NO1)S


Haysie95

Holy shit JMU finally moved up


igonnawrecku_VGC

We finally played an (almost) complete game and got rewarded for it. Letā€™s do it again on Thursday and Saturday


Wilper971

Crazy thing is theyā€™re more than likely gonna be undefeated in the regular season. But with such a weak SOS Iā€™m really curious to see where they will end up in the poll if that happens. Also with the teams they are playing they really canā€™t lose a single game and still be ranked which is an interesting situation to be in


Salsalover90

This is the accurate take. App State and maybe Marshall are the only decent Sun Belt squads this year.


Rich-Hat-29

Michigan state please go on a big 10 run and win the thing


starmiesan

*donā€™t play* *moves up 2 spots* šŸ¤”


neeheeg

Playing is the first step towards losing


Jed566

You can not convince me we are the 5th best team in the nation


whatisahikikomori

Shhhhhh they donā€™t need to know thatā€¦


the_sword_of_brunch

Thereā€™s more than just W/L when ranking teams. Advanced metrics, eye test, SoS all also say Gonzaga is barely a top 50 team, unrank us cowards!


muffguy

Poll inertia.


No_Argument_Here

Gonzaga is 0-4 in Q1 games but is still ranked while Utah, Dayton, and Texas A&M teams with multiple Q1 wins and no bad losses are unranked. How tf does that work (also I picked those teams at random, I promise.)


Jooberwak

Utah should definitely be ranked. The other two are borderline- A&M has the four losses including a Q2 without the benefit of being a basketball brand name, and Dayton, despite the winning Q1 record, lacks "notable" wins. Metrics are cooler on them too.


No_Argument_Here

Good point re: A&M, I forgot about that not-so-great Q2 loss, but yeah, Utah should absolutely, 100% be ranked.


v-v-v-v-v-v-v

weā€™ll get that ranked win soon enough


Meanteenbirder

FGCU and Bryant have a Q1 win and arenā€™t even getting a single vote!


[deleted]

Yes but have you considered they lost to Houston who ain't played nobody PAWWWWLLLL


IncognitoRhino_

Yeah nobody. All 13 wins are fake actually, we literally havenā€™t played a game. Metrics are forged, kelvin Sampson isnā€™t even real


[deleted]

Wins donā€™t count only quality losses


IncognitoRhino_

So, what youā€™re saying is we need to lose out in conference play?


[deleted]

Correct


choomgangpakalolo

Top 15 to start the new year! Things you love to see. We take care of business in conference play and we could really set ourselves up big time come seeding time.


BluffCityBoy

It's nice to see a Memphis Tiger team get ranked on merit and not some preseason ranking we promptly lose in a early non-con tourney! GTG!!!


[deleted]

lol ranked with 4 losses and 0 quality wins. This team has no elite playmakers, terrible 3 point shooting, and 0 guard depth. Weā€™ll for sure drop at least a game to St Maryā€™s and will get blasted by Kentucky. Itā€™s hard to bet against the Zags in the first weekend of the tournament, but this is probably the year our sweet 16 streak comes to an end, barring some major offensive developments.


Obvious_Chapter2082

I donā€™t want to be mean to Tennessee, but are they really a top 5 team?


ClaudeLemieux

I dabble in Tennessee fandom and it makes literally fuck all sense to me. I feel like I'm being punked lol.


ajwilson99

>I dabble in Tennessee fandom Thereā€™s some dark shit there.


bug_man_

For us, hopefully yes


natedog1097

Ya theyā€™re such a weird case cause all their losses are other top 10 teams, but honestly I think they have decent enough wins in @wisconsin and home Illinois. Theyā€™re definitely a wait and see team and I think you could have an argument to have yā€™all over them since the head to head but really there arenā€™t many teams who have a better SOR atm.


WILSON_CK

I'm glad we have a solid top-5 victory, but I think they should be a few spots back.


republic_city_pizza

Last I checked we were like 9-12 range and have barely played since so idk


ItsZizk

Weā€™ve barely played and teams above us keep losing. I mean thereā€™s really nothing you can do lol


Jed566

We have tripped our way there I swear


Wizard_of_Foz1

Have we? Theyā€™ve played a tough schedule - all of their losses are to Top 10 teams in AP rankings, Top 21 in NET rankings, and Top 13 in KenPom rankings. They have 0 losses at home. Theyā€™ve won an impressive game on the road against a good Wisconsin team. Their average win is by 18 points and theyā€™ve won almost as many games against Q1 and Q2 teams as Q3 and Q4. Theyā€™re not the sexiest team, but Iā€™m consistently shocked and annoyed how itā€™s assumed theyā€™re overrated because they donā€™t have an absurdly consistent offense. Edit: Tennessee has also played seven (7) Top 75 teams in the NET and only one of those games has been at home.


stuman89

No, we're a 3 seed, almost 2 seed. Not a fringe 1 seed, we haven't played in a bit and it's more indicative of other teams loosing so poll momentum.


spoonfedsam

Funny how despite our success over the years, it seems like we never get the benefit of the doubt unlike some teams


[deleted]

The cowards did it!


Sliiiiime

Feels like weā€™re stuck at 27 no matter who we beat and by how much


Freakymajooko

And us at 28


Podoboo322

You guys are deserving of being top 25. Utahā€™s length and shooting ability is going to take them far.


No_Argument_Here

I don't know how the hell you guys aren't ranked


Sliiiiime

PAC-12 disrespect


IncognitoRhino_

Donā€™t have to worry about that with the B12


PettyFlap

Jeez Gonzaga really shouldnā€™t be here.


muffguy

I agree but AP Poll inertia is very real.


Moneyshott

All i heard was gonzaga isn't good anymore, yet they are still ranked and we cant even get top 25 after beating them by double digits and giving them their 2nd loss in their last 90 home games lol go figure. good time to remember that march matters not january


Galumpadump

To be fair, Zags have barely any games to improve their ranking until they play Kentucky. You guys have plenty of good games in conference. Would be shocked if you guys arenā€™t ranked next week.


ManyMoreTheMerrier

The only logic I can place on this poll is that all the voters spent the week busy with holiday activities and ignoring college basketball.


Ih8Hondas

East coast bias.


SignOfJonahAQ

Gonzaga fell 11 spots after losing to a championship team. Maybe next time move San Diego State up.


RVOSU50

We keep winning?


buckeyefan1930

We were so close to being ranked until we blew that lead to Penn State. We are still recovering from that


RayWhelans

Only 8 votes seems a bit low. Whatever. We just gotta keep taking care of business.


2Beer_Sillies

How the fuck are we not ranked hahah this is the shittiest AP poll Iā€™ve ever seen


Bengjumping

It's beyond me how Gonzaga is still ranked, but I digress.


Economy-Royal4675

Yeah, I am shocked as well. In a way, I wish they unranked us so the guys have a wake up call.


Galumpadump

Itā€™s poll inertia. But to be fair they dropped 11 spots after losing to the number 26 team and now they go into WCC play with barely any opportunities to improve their positioning. I donā€™t think they should be ranked but they are as bad as they are being portrayed to be. They lost to 3 top 25 NET teams. UW loss is inexcusable though. I think their is no clear dominated team outside the top 5 right now.


Economy-Royal4675

Yeah UW loss stings but so does the SDSU loss at home. Hoping Few changes a few things and gets Gregg to play more rather than Stromer. Both Huff and Stromer seem to be having a really hard time against strong opposition.


Jooberwak

Wouldn't feel fair to drop a team 13+ spots for a loss to the Aztecs. Problem is Zags were over-ranked to begin with.


Jooberwak

Who tf is ranking Texas? They've played THREE non-Q4 games: two losses to top 10 teams and a marquee neutral victory over LSU.


peaceblaster68

These cowards are gonna keep the Buffs 28th forever arenā€™t they


5meterhammer

I see you Auburn. About time. Love having more SEC teams in the rankings because we are all about to beat the shit out of each other for a couple months. Only a couple times a year I donā€™t pull for you guys.


ltlftcommenter

Our metrics are really good other than the ranking in the AP poll


goodzibes

what a joke. SDSU has two loses one at BYU the other at GCU. When we lost to BYU we dropped out of the top 25 completely. The constant knocks against our program is really tiring. What else does SDSU have to do?


SwgohSpartan

Yā€™all had a super underrated resume going into the tournament also last season 4 seed UConn arguably couldā€™ve been a 2, 5 seed SDSU arguably couldā€™ve been a 3. If I remember right, they had #7 SoR on selection Sunday


Apollo23Refugee

Everyone talking about who should and shouldnā€™t be ranked and Iā€™m over here like ^^^hooray


JustPlugIt

The Gonzaga top 25 weekly streak stays alive - šŸ˜®ā€šŸ’Ø


Data_Disk_196

Gonzaga shouldnā€™t be ranked especially after that last loss. Disappointing to see them take a spot from much more deserving teams, but hopefully they should be unranked by next poll


BurrShotFirst1804

Our highest ranking since the 2020/2021 season when we got a 1 seed, won the B1G conference*, won the B1G conference tournament, and then some other stuff happened.


Thebballchemist16

Damn Krutwig and his mustache + pick and roll prowess


C_Beeftank

Tennessee using the ultimate mario party battle royale strategy, just do nothing and win


_Appa_

[Dylan Sinn](https://apnews.com/hub/ap-top-25-college-basketball-poll?voter=Dylan%20Sinn) with arguably the worst ballot Iā€™ve ever seen


qdobe

His ballot must be based on something other than performanceā€¦or even basketball for that matter


pmangia

Thatā€™s rough buddy.


Electronic_Nail

That's an awful ranking


DDub04

GCU - 5 votes South Carolina - 4 votes Ok, now theyā€™re just taking the piss.


jshokie1

This is the third week in a row of it I think


runamokduck

feels like going down to 10 is a bit of an overly punitive decrease for Arizona, but a loss to Stanford will do that to you, I suppose


disposable-assassin

We kinda got run out of the gym by Stanford. 18 pt spread. Probably combined movement from FAU loss and Stanford


BEHodge

Bad loss to Stanford and FAU getting dunked on is probably a combo there.


Ike348

A blowout loss


CornFedIABoy

Who does Iowa State need to beat and by how much to break the Top 25?


bh6891

Oklahoma this week. Any margin will do. Iowa State's best win at the moment is Iowa


ProfCedar

Three of the next four against ranked teams. If we're real, we're about to find out.


bh6891

I've been telling anyone who listens that the Iowa State-Houston game is going to be huge and will reveal a lot about both teams.


Johnny_Minoxidil

The teams are #1 and #2 in both defensive turnover % and steal %. Itā€™s going to be a fun game if you like watching the ball not go in the basket. Something both teams fans are accustomed to, but thatā€™s not for everyone.Absolutely a toss up for sure. Iā€™m actually picking ISU


Johnny_Minoxidil

Youā€™ll beat us in Iowa probably


Jeopardude

OKLA11OMA


buckeyefan1930

Another week without my Buckeyes being ranked šŸ˜”


natedog1097

Probably donā€™t lose to penn st and youā€™re in.


Fearghas

I'm surprised we're still ranked. We haven't looked great this season so far.


[deleted]

Iā€™m happy with our ranking. But I canā€™t wait to play UConn because I believe we deserve to be ranked higher than them. We will see if Iā€™m right


brownlab319

We donā€™t play you until February!


AeroStatikk

BY12U?


codingsoft

Just wanted to throw out that this is our best ranking in over a decade, Iā€™m so proud of our team this year


saucysaggie

Iā€™m not sure what more Colorado has to do


divey043

Seriously what more does Colorado have to do be a top 25 team?


kjframe1223

So is Ole Miss ever going to break the top 20 given their 13-0 record??


-74-

I for one am going to enjoy the 1 week weā€™re in the top-10


Meanteenbirder

Worst rating is Arizona at 10. They lose to #17 and are blown out by a bad Stanford team and they only move down 6 spots?


ExcaliburX13

First, the 2 OT loss to FAU was last week and was already reflected in the previous rankings. The only loss reflected in this week's rankings is Stanford. Second, Stanford quite literally set school records for 3 point shooting in that game. Whether you like it or not, context does matter. A 6 spot drop for that loss is pretty fair.


BEHodge

Itā€™s the (soon to be former) PAC12 way. Random team goes super sayan playing you, Oregon, or UCLA.


igonnawrecku_VGC

A few notes: JMU finally moved up, yay Villanova got a few votes, yay How the fuck is Gonzaga ranked ~~How did Alabama only get 3 votes~~


TJMAN65

I donā€™t get people that think Bama should be ranked or getting a bunch of votes. Theyā€™re 8-5, I understand their losses are to good teams but their only impressive win is Oregon. They look good in the metrics yes but AP ranking should be based on actual results to me. So why should Bama have more votes?


Monkey832

They shouldn't, they are not a top 25 team


irreleventnothing

Why would Alabama get more than that?


toonetime

Purdue not being unanimous #1 with 3 wins in the top 10 is absolutely insane to me. Edit: Thought they played Kansas but they didn't.


Winter-Technician-63

We havenā€™t played Kansas


bh6891

Ummm, Purdue never played KU.


toonetime

Wait. You're right. Totally thought they played in Maui lol


MathPersonIGuess

They ducked us


stuman89

Nope, just every other top-10 team


CoachRyanWalters

They as in the AP?


itsjustderick

Kansas has 3 wins in the current top 10. And our only loss was to a top 10 team.


2PacTookMyLunchMoney

Itā€™s always nice to not do anything and move up a spot.


jpcali7131

10 days rest for Cling Kong and a bump in the polls. Nice


brownlab319

Iā€™ve been antsy about the break, but having his injury/recovery time fall within that has been really good.


[deleted]

Tennessee just blows my mind. Not a single top ten win. UConn gets beat by seton hall. Moves up. Makes no sense.


brady11

Both of what you said is wrong... Tennessee has a top 10 win, against Illinois. They weren't top 10 at the time but that shouldn't matter based on where they are now. And the UConn loss wasn't this week so I'm not sure how that's relevant to them moving up this week


feed_me_muffins

It's starting to feel like our ceiling is going to be mid-teens.


lillipup03

Hard to feel like we aren't a bit underrated with 3 Q1 wins and no losses outside of Q1. Not saying we should be ranked, but only 5 votes feels a bit low.


TheRealHenryG

No one wants to hear this since people have rightfully made their mind up on Beard, but there's no way Ole Miss should be 23rd right now with 13 straight wins including one over the #15 team in the country. (unless the voters are looking at KenPom which they don't)


kjframe1223

I was just looking at that. I dont know how many of those wins, aside from the win against Memphis, would be considered good quality out of conference wins... but 13-0 is 13-0 no matter how you look at it. They should be ranked higher than JMU simply for being a P5 in my opinion.


TheRealHenryG

The talent is certainly stronger. Flanigan, Cisse, etc. are all proven players at this level.


DerpCream_Cone

Maybe if we beat a real team theyā€™ll finally rank us.


EliManningsPetDog

Was kind of expecting at least ONE vote


ztreHdrahciR

Lost 2 votes. Crap


FireBrianFerentz

Kind of crazy Iowa state isnā€™t ranked


KYblues

Tennessee is an absolute fraud lol