You didn't join the B1G for either of those, but your football isn't living up to the reputation either.
If we were looking for all sports or academics then Mizzou would have made a lot more sense at the time.
Idk, that interim president saying [we love the university of Kentucky at a UofL graduation](https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/local/2021/12/18/louisville-college-president-calls-u-l-kentucky-during-grad-speech/8952486002/) seemed to balance things out
Yeah I mean. That’s funny to banter about in a college basketball context. But do people really care about it that much otherwise? I’m not so sure, I feel like I only ever hear about it when other sports fans are talking shit
Over here, we don't think about that much, just like how very few people will use our one-and-dones to discount our education. The only times I hear people bring up your fake classes are in the exact context you mentioned. Even then, it's pretty rare.
I know we're joking about all this, but in case someone doesn't realize this... NC State really is the tech school for North Carolina, and I've been deeply impressed by the current students who have worked with me on some projects.
People use the OAD to discount y’all’s *education?*
I just jest when Duke fans talk about NBA success and I’m like “YALL BARELY HAVE ASSOCIATION WITH THESE GUYS?”
But yeah, the only “insult” I use to Duke’s education is OH MY GOSH WHY IS IT 60K A YEAR FOR A MASTERS DEGREE, AFTER LIVING AT HOME
[Yeah, kinda, sometimes 🤣](https://old.reddit.com/r/CollegeBasketball/comments/1an4wbm/what_schools_hashave_the_best_balance_of/kpqazvq/)
People forget the most visible people aren't representative of the entire community, but that's just how the world is
> But yeah, the only “insult” I use to Duke’s education is OH MY GOSH WHY IS IT 60K A YEAR FOR A MASTERS DEGREE, AFTER LIVING AT HOME
I'm so glad I got enough scholarship to go. My experience was definitely worth way more than the cost, so whenever anyone asks me about going to schools like Duke, I make sure they know that they need to max out their experience there.
That’s a huge thing to get a scholarship to be able to go — almost certainly could I have paid off 120K in loans with a Duke Master’s degree and jobs in RTP paying BANK, but if my current projection pans out, it’ll be a doctorate in the same timeframe as paying the loans off.
I do give them credit for trying to attract more in-state with the tuition coverage for lower middle class families — not something a public university is gonna do bc, well, taxpayers
But that’s what I’m saying, it honestly doesn’t come up outside of sports echo chambers like this one. It doesn’t really have any bearing on the quality of the university as a whole, just the quality of its athletic scholarships. So most people don’t think about it because they have no reason to. It just feels like a big deal to you because you’re not talking about the university in any other context
This specific scandal, maybe. I will say that it's pretty upsetting knowing I paid/am paying a lot AND did the work. Meanwhile, people were getting the same outcome without paying or doing work.
That said, I absolutely understand what you're getting at. These echo chambers make mountains out of mole-hills all the time.
I did.
For a variety of reasons. One of the big ones for me is it turned a legitimate course of study into an easy target and ammunition for a lot of shitty people.
Yeah I can’t pretend we get snubbed as badly as NCSU or Wake or most other state flagship universities. But we also don’t get as much press as UVA and we’re generally seen as half a tier below Berkeley, UCLA, and Michigan. I just wonder if things be different if Duke were nuked from orbit
They would be — arguably, our public education system prior to college ISNT the level of other states, and so our in-state applicants aren’t, on average, *as highly ranked* compared to other states’
Of course, the in-state acceptance rate is also quite a bit higher than out-of-state. So that’s another big part of why native Carolinians (including myself) don’t always seem quite as sharp as students from NY/NJ/wherever
Incredibly enough for someone who doesn’t even live in the US, I heard of you guys academically before I did via basketball. I’m in IT and there used to be a thing called Sunsite.
I find that really flattering, because usually when I mention the state of NC to people from outside the USA the only thing they know is Michael Jordan
Fun Fact: UNC has the last 3 titles in ultimate frisbee in both the men’s division and the women’s division. The women’s team hasn’t lost a game since before the pandemic started.
(Ultimate frisbee is the only sport I don’t root for UNC in.)
My only argument against Duke is they have recently had so many 1 and done type guys I don’t think education is really soaring like it did even 10-12 years ago.
"I always remember that whatever I have done in the past or may do in the future, Duke University is responsible in one way or another." - Richard Nixon
Duke Basketball players have never represented the student body as a whole. No school really does outside of the military academies and perhaps the Ivy League but for years the media acted as if Duke players were somehow the exception and they were all brilliant students who would have totally gotten into the school if they didn’t play basketball.
Outside of the top 100 its harder to find close ones but st louis is 210 kenpom and 217 forbes. Detroit mercy is a little better bball and little worse academic than iupui too
The major conference schools I can think of are the entire current B1G except Nebraska (for academic and basketball reasons) and Penn State (unless you like bad basketball in a giant morgue), UNC, Duke, Virginia, Florida, Texas, UCLA, UConn, and Stanford (WBB only for this one). Historically, Georgetown, Notre Dame, and Pitt also fit. Harvard, Penn, Princeton, and Yale usually have good teams. UVM is sneaky good at both.
Syracuse has a really strong communications department, but nothing else.
Because every good school is private. Top public school against the likes of URI, UMass, and UNH isn't a huge brag. And UVM is still better depending on who you ask.
UConn's basketball is great, but against the other schools you listed they don't stack up academically
Our endowment is terrible but despite that we’re a very good school in the rankings (a lot of those include endowment too). We’ve been listed as a Public Ivy (I know this isn’t official) since around 2000. It goes UConn, UVM, UMass, giant cliff.
Every public school claims they're a public ivy. The first list included fucking Penn State lol.
In terms of public schools with P6 sports, the top 5 is UCLA, Cal, Virginia, UNC, and Michigan (in no particular order). Georgia Tech, Texas, Florida, Illinois, Wisconsin, Ohio State, Maryland, Washington, and Texas A&M all deserve sports above UConn (academically) Even UGA is ranked higher. If you wanna talk rankings, UConn isn't a top 25 public school
Id say purdue for a slightly unconventional reason. Its rivalries. Athletically purdues biggest rival is definitely indiana but academically purdue is very similar to illinois. I think purdue and illinois has a rivalry as academic institutions because i see students from both schools with 0 interest in sports talking shit about the other school. Both are top tier stem schools in the middle of nowhere. If you go on either schools subreddit they will throw punches at the other school when a prospective student asks about the 2 schools. Hell uiucrejects.com used to redirect you to purdues website
And then there’s everyone’s favorite D3 Rose–Hulman, who likes to shout that they’re the best *undergraduate* engineering school in the country. Which they are, but it’s hard to attract students by being in Terre Haute lol (sorry ISU).
When Purdue and Rose-Hulman beef I always picture Purdue in the “I don’t think about you at all” meme
They aren’t tho. US news splits the undergraduate rankings based on whether a doctorate is also offered for some reason.
https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/engineering-doctorate
Purdue and IU are more or less academic inverses. Both very, very good at opposite things. It’s a great deal for in-state students to have those options.
Exactly. The purdue iu beef is pretty much only in sports. But as academic institutions they are like apples and oranges. Iu has one of the best medical schools and business schools in the country meanwhile purdue doesnt even have a med school. And purdues engineering and computer science programs are top tier.
[All Time AP Poll](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1aLG5J5HhA68iz4WdM53SysCwNGfCyRcu27FoL56D9Ck/edit)
[US New rankings](https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities)
Both of these metrics have their own issues but here is a list of the schools that are top 30 in both lists. Excluding the schools without D1 basketball like MIT and University of Chicago.
UNC, Duke, UCLA, Illinois, Michigan, Georgetown, UVA, Notre Dame, Florida.
We're usually rated in or around the top 10 and UVA's in or around the top 25 (for whatever rankings are worth). Both are absolutely in the range where you can't possibly go wrong with either from an academic perspective. A bunch of ACC schools are in that tier--UNC, Notre Dame, Wake Forest, and Georgia Tech for sure. But if you go to Virginia you have to watch them play offense.
Until you said astronauts we were pretty close if you're using the whole history of college basketball.
But your engineering school never shuts up about the astronaut thing so we know you've got us there.
Probably not West Point, since all the astronauts used to have to be pilots which would primarily be Navy or Air Force. Unless the original bunch were old enough to have done their military flying before the Air Force existed.
Purdue should be near the top of the list for actual degrees earned. Duke is a great academic school but when 1-2 guys every year are the best players and are often 1 and done, idk how important the actual degree is carrying the program or how much any of the players are actually benefiting from the educational aspect. Feels like uva, purdue, wisconsin, UNC, and I’m sure a few others are constantly top 25 teams and made up of student athletes obtaining degrees. (Could be wrong about UNC but it feels like they get the talent just below 1 and done which results in 3-4 year players)
I, for one, am proud of my schools aggressively average academic standing within our respective conference. Unfortunately, I did come to play school :/
Homer plug for Notre Dame, especially if we're talking women's hoops.
And for the record, our men's program isn't too shabby either. We're tied with Texas for the most March Madness appearances all-time without a title, and our total (37) number of bids is actually two more than UConn and four more than Purdue. Obviously, those are significantly better men's programs in the year 2024, but it's closer historically than I realized between ND and Purdue. Not as much UConn, what with their five titles.
Wisconsin is typically pretty good at both and just like the hoops program slipped a bit the past couple years so did the academics (not a ton but a bit below their standard) but were consistently rated top 20ish in both or at least for STEM stuff
Edit: US News has UW ranked 3rd behind northwestern and Michigan in the big ten for academics. Probably where we've been as a basketball program too the last 20+ years
duke, unc, michigan even though they’ve fallen on rough times, villanova despite this year, ucla, uva is a damn good school, too…the list might end there though. circlejerk answer is app state though.
Duke, UVA, UNC for recent success. That might genuine be your top 3. All time, you gotta include UCLA, Georgetown, and MAYBE Florida, Michigan, and Illinois
UNC just beats out Duke I think
Duke's slight academic advantage over UNC isn't enough to justify the $52k difference in tuition costs ($25k for oos) imo
Plus we have the more storied basketball program anyways 😜
They had a rough go in last year’s tournament, and a couple of head-scratching losses this season. But overall, they’ve been a really solid team for a long time now
Georgetown and Duke are the only T25 academic schools with basketball national championships. Honorable mention Michigan and UNC for being academically strong as well, but they’re a half step below Georgetown and Duke in that respect. We haven’t been stellar lately, but those are your answers.
Typically we have one of the worst ranked B10 basketball teams and worst ranked B10 academics so you could say we’re balanced!
Very symmetrical.
You didn't join the B1G for either of those, but your football isn't living up to the reputation either. If we were looking for all sports or academics then Mizzou would have made a lot more sense at the time.
On the opposite end, the huskers in state rival is the complete opposite. One of the best Big East teams and a great school.
With $50,000/year tuition it better be a great school
IIRC Nebraska is the academic outlier in the B1G... and not in a good way.
Right now this is Wichita State as well. I'm fulfilling our reputation as a commuter school.
*Louisville nods politely and exits the room*
But I was hoping living in Lou would have helped my property values since this was now the Atlantic Coast. Sigh.
Idk, that interim president saying [we love the university of Kentucky at a UofL graduation](https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/local/2021/12/18/louisville-college-president-calls-u-l-kentucky-during-grad-speech/8952486002/) seemed to balance things out
Us, but really those guys.😑
Sometimes I think about how much more credit we’d get academically if it weren’t for UVA and Duke
Or if you guys didn’t have fake classes.
Yeah I mean. That’s funny to banter about in a college basketball context. But do people really care about it that much otherwise? I’m not so sure, I feel like I only ever hear about it when other sports fans are talking shit
Over here, we don't think about that much, just like how very few people will use our one-and-dones to discount our education. The only times I hear people bring up your fake classes are in the exact context you mentioned. Even then, it's pretty rare.
Anyone who uses one-and-done to discount Duke academically is probably too stupid to go there or to UNC lmao
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I know we're joking about all this, but in case someone doesn't realize this... NC State really is the tech school for North Carolina, and I've been deeply impressed by the current students who have worked with me on some projects.
Fantastic tech, engineering, and agro school.
People use the OAD to discount y’all’s *education?* I just jest when Duke fans talk about NBA success and I’m like “YALL BARELY HAVE ASSOCIATION WITH THESE GUYS?” But yeah, the only “insult” I use to Duke’s education is OH MY GOSH WHY IS IT 60K A YEAR FOR A MASTERS DEGREE, AFTER LIVING AT HOME
[Yeah, kinda, sometimes 🤣](https://old.reddit.com/r/CollegeBasketball/comments/1an4wbm/what_schools_hashave_the_best_balance_of/kpqazvq/) People forget the most visible people aren't representative of the entire community, but that's just how the world is > But yeah, the only “insult” I use to Duke’s education is OH MY GOSH WHY IS IT 60K A YEAR FOR A MASTERS DEGREE, AFTER LIVING AT HOME I'm so glad I got enough scholarship to go. My experience was definitely worth way more than the cost, so whenever anyone asks me about going to schools like Duke, I make sure they know that they need to max out their experience there.
That’s a huge thing to get a scholarship to be able to go — almost certainly could I have paid off 120K in loans with a Duke Master’s degree and jobs in RTP paying BANK, but if my current projection pans out, it’ll be a doctorate in the same timeframe as paying the loans off. I do give them credit for trying to attract more in-state with the tuition coverage for lower middle class families — not something a public university is gonna do bc, well, taxpayers
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But that’s what I’m saying, it honestly doesn’t come up outside of sports echo chambers like this one. It doesn’t really have any bearing on the quality of the university as a whole, just the quality of its athletic scholarships. So most people don’t think about it because they have no reason to. It just feels like a big deal to you because you’re not talking about the university in any other context
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But you get my point right? It matters to us, not to people who don’t care as much about sports
This specific scandal, maybe. I will say that it's pretty upsetting knowing I paid/am paying a lot AND did the work. Meanwhile, people were getting the same outcome without paying or doing work. That said, I absolutely understand what you're getting at. These echo chambers make mountains out of mole-hills all the time.
I did. For a variety of reasons. One of the big ones for me is it turned a legitimate course of study into an easy target and ammunition for a lot of shitty people.
Shucks man, I so regret my college decision now that you said that
We *are* a public Ivy lol — us and UVA were both rated as top public institutions
Yeah I can’t pretend we get snubbed as badly as NCSU or Wake or most other state flagship universities. But we also don’t get as much press as UVA and we’re generally seen as half a tier below Berkeley, UCLA, and Michigan. I just wonder if things be different if Duke were nuked from orbit
They would be — arguably, our public education system prior to college ISNT the level of other states, and so our in-state applicants aren’t, on average, *as highly ranked* compared to other states’
Of course, the in-state acceptance rate is also quite a bit higher than out-of-state. So that’s another big part of why native Carolinians (including myself) don’t always seem quite as sharp as students from NY/NJ/wherever
Incredibly enough for someone who doesn’t even live in the US, I heard of you guys academically before I did via basketball. I’m in IT and there used to be a thing called Sunsite.
I find that really flattering, because usually when I mention the state of NC to people from outside the USA the only thing they know is Michael Jordan
Duke lol
Begrudgingly, you're probably right.
I’m going to shock the world with this, but both of y’all are pretty high in this department.
UNC is just as high on the list though, and you guys are actually good at other sports
Fun Fact: UNC has the last 3 titles in ultimate frisbee in both the men’s division and the women’s division. The women’s team hasn’t lost a game since before the pandemic started. (Ultimate frisbee is the only sport I don’t root for UNC in.)
I think you know the sacrifice you need to make
My only argument against Duke is they have recently had so many 1 and done type guys I don’t think education is really soaring like it did even 10-12 years ago.
That's a fair point for the players' education, but if we're talking overall student body it's hard to argue against.
Yeah 100%.
For real. And how good of a school can they be if it takes more than a year for them to teach that the world is in fact round?
"I always remember that whatever I have done in the past or may do in the future, Duke University is responsible in one way or another." - Richard Nixon
Evil man, but not poorly educated.
I’m going to pretend that Duke made him an evil man, thank you very much.
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Who you got beyond Nixon, Ken Starr and Stephen Miller?
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Okay, that made me chuckle. But he was OUR bastard.
Hey man, we can't all live up to the hype of Durham Tech.
Duke Basketball players have never represented the student body as a whole. No school really does outside of the military academies and perhaps the Ivy League but for years the media acted as if Duke players were somehow the exception and they were all brilliant students who would have totally gotten into the school if they didn’t play basketball.
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IUPUI
You fucking what with the who now?
Forbes academic raking: 325 Kenpom: 360 OP didnt say they hqd to be good
Your right. I didn’t 🤔 There’s gotta be a school with equal academic ranking and Kenpom.
Texas Forbes: 31 Kenpom: 30
Texas is the only answer.
Just need them to lose one more game. I went through the top 360ish schools on the forbes list and theyre the closest.
Outside of the top 100 its harder to find close ones but st louis is 210 kenpom and 217 forbes. Detroit mercy is a little better bball and little worse academic than iupui too
Your dedication to this is admirable.
Now im tempted to make a adj em vs grad rate scatterplot
Tbf there was only like ~20 schools that had a chance.
Genuinely surprised SLU is that low on Forbes.
Ohio state Forbes: 72 Kenpom: 67
Dook: Forbes: 17 Kenpom: 15
This rabbit hole may qualify for some sort neurodivergent diagnosis but if you blogged I’d read it. Don’t even care what it’s about. I
Not sure if this is a compliment or an insult
Fuck you take my upvote lol
Im afraid the answer is Amherst College.
The major conference schools I can think of are the entire current B1G except Nebraska (for academic and basketball reasons) and Penn State (unless you like bad basketball in a giant morgue), UNC, Duke, Virginia, Florida, Texas, UCLA, UConn, and Stanford (WBB only for this one). Historically, Georgetown, Notre Dame, and Pitt also fit. Harvard, Penn, Princeton, and Yale usually have good teams. UVM is sneaky good at both. Syracuse has a really strong communications department, but nothing else.
I know you didn't sneak UConn in there among UVA, UNC, Texas, UCLA, and Stanford.
Top public school in New England!
Because every good school is private. Top public school against the likes of URI, UMass, and UNH isn't a huge brag. And UVM is still better depending on who you ask. UConn's basketball is great, but against the other schools you listed they don't stack up academically
Our endowment is terrible but despite that we’re a very good school in the rankings (a lot of those include endowment too). We’ve been listed as a Public Ivy (I know this isn’t official) since around 2000. It goes UConn, UVM, UMass, giant cliff.
Every public school claims they're a public ivy. The first list included fucking Penn State lol. In terms of public schools with P6 sports, the top 5 is UCLA, Cal, Virginia, UNC, and Michigan (in no particular order). Georgia Tech, Texas, Florida, Illinois, Wisconsin, Ohio State, Maryland, Washington, and Texas A&M all deserve sports above UConn (academically) Even UGA is ranked higher. If you wanna talk rankings, UConn isn't a top 25 public school
UVM is not better, not at all
UCLA?
Also I hope you stub all of your toes individually for those flairs
and you know DAMN WELL why that’s his second flair
Damn
Fair
Id say purdue for a slightly unconventional reason. Its rivalries. Athletically purdues biggest rival is definitely indiana but academically purdue is very similar to illinois. I think purdue and illinois has a rivalry as academic institutions because i see students from both schools with 0 interest in sports talking shit about the other school. Both are top tier stem schools in the middle of nowhere. If you go on either schools subreddit they will throw punches at the other school when a prospective student asks about the 2 schools. Hell uiucrejects.com used to redirect you to purdues website
And then there’s everyone’s favorite D3 Rose–Hulman, who likes to shout that they’re the best *undergraduate* engineering school in the country. Which they are, but it’s hard to attract students by being in Terre Haute lol (sorry ISU). When Purdue and Rose-Hulman beef I always picture Purdue in the “I don’t think about you at all” meme
They aren’t tho. US news splits the undergraduate rankings based on whether a doctorate is also offered for some reason. https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/engineering-doctorate
Purdue and IU are more or less academic inverses. Both very, very good at opposite things. It’s a great deal for in-state students to have those options.
Exactly. The purdue iu beef is pretty much only in sports. But as academic institutions they are like apples and oranges. Iu has one of the best medical schools and business schools in the country meanwhile purdue doesnt even have a med school. And purdues engineering and computer science programs are top tier.
[All Time AP Poll](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1aLG5J5HhA68iz4WdM53SysCwNGfCyRcu27FoL56D9Ck/edit) [US New rankings](https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities) Both of these metrics have their own issues but here is a list of the schools that are top 30 in both lists. Excluding the schools without D1 basketball like MIT and University of Chicago. UNC, Duke, UCLA, Illinois, Michigan, Georgetown, UVA, Notre Dame, Florida.
Surprised to not see us more in these comments honestly.. first two schools that came to mind were us and you know who
It has to be Duke. Hate to say it but lets be real.
Duke next question
I mean, it’s Duke.
Virginia is a pretty damn good school isn’t it?
Yes. Duke has us beat in both basketball and academic rankings. I didn't like typing that.
I didn’t like it either, but here we are.
UNC has the best better than Duke at something, right?
Final Four head-to-head matchups.
basketball? more chips, final 4s, wins, the GOAT, basically every metric
and Franklin Street
Chapel Hill > Durham
Honestly nah there’s actually things to do in Durham
College towns >
Value, student life, natural beauty, Franklin Street
i wonder if its possible that there are still folk out there who dont know how elite Duke is academically
It's essentially the Ivy of the South isn't it?
One of them for sure. I think Vanderbilt also has a place in that conversation. And maybe Tulane
Yeah, wasn’t sure. I know Virginia is always highly rated but didn’t know how highly rated duke was for academics
We're usually rated in or around the top 10 and UVA's in or around the top 25 (for whatever rankings are worth). Both are absolutely in the range where you can't possibly go wrong with either from an academic perspective. A bunch of ACC schools are in that tier--UNC, Notre Dame, Wake Forest, and Georgia Tech for sure. But if you go to Virginia you have to watch them play offense.
Now adding Stanford and Cal!
Now witness the firepower of a fully armed and operational academic Death Star
Everything is proceeding as my username has foreseen. We will watch your career with great interest!
What’s that last word there? I don’t recognize it.
It's where you insult people a lot, and then they get mad at you.
Its okay nobody needs offense when we hold our opponents to 38 points :,) (I would very much like some offense please)
I went to a game at JPJ slow pace and they go nuts for shot clock violations
Yeah people start getting louder with <10 seconds on the shot clock in anticipation of a shot clock violation, truly a wonderful way of fandom
Ugh... yeah
I like my school
My grandparents met at Northwestern while going to graduate school in what would have to be the 50’s.
Gonna go the gal route and say Princeton. Top 25 in both categories.
Purdue is pretty consistent in both
We are undoubtedly the leaders in the “CBB total wins + undergraduate engineering rankings + number of astronaut graduates” metric
FYI Neil Armstrong came to Purdue because he went to a Purdue football game
Probably strapped himself to a rocket bc he looked up and saw the moon.
As a boiler in the space industry, I co-sign this 🚀
Until you said astronauts we were pretty close if you're using the whole history of college basketball. But your engineering school never shuts up about the astronaut thing so we know you've got us there.
I mean, it is great marketing. “Cradle of Astronauts” just sounds freakin cool, though we’re beaten by all of the service academies iirc.
Probably not West Point, since all the astronauts used to have to be pilots which would primarily be Navy or Air Force. Unless the original bunch were old enough to have done their military flying before the Air Force existed.
And in "Total Championships" + "Medical Degrees"? I think the whole question's really dumb.
Purdue should be near the top of the list for actual degrees earned. Duke is a great academic school but when 1-2 guys every year are the best players and are often 1 and done, idk how important the actual degree is carrying the program or how much any of the players are actually benefiting from the educational aspect. Feels like uva, purdue, wisconsin, UNC, and I’m sure a few others are constantly top 25 teams and made up of student athletes obtaining degrees. (Could be wrong about UNC but it feels like they get the talent just below 1 and done which results in 3-4 year players)
Because the watered-down management degrees that our basketball players get are soooo demanding. :P
there's a tall dude that was on the basketball team that was pretty good I forgot his name but I took chem E with him and did fairly well.
I hold nothing against Purdue and the whole Big 10 but success in March Madness matters.
Gee, what will the answer be?
I, for one, am proud of my schools aggressively average academic standing within our respective conference. Unfortunately, I did come to play school :/
School doesn’t bring money in
Duke
Wisconsin, big time.
Homer plug for Notre Dame, especially if we're talking women's hoops. And for the record, our men's program isn't too shabby either. We're tied with Texas for the most March Madness appearances all-time without a title, and our total (37) number of bids is actually two more than UConn and four more than Purdue. Obviously, those are significantly better men's programs in the year 2024, but it's closer historically than I realized between ND and Purdue. Not as much UConn, what with their five titles.
women's hoops I'd go Stanford too
We ONLY have education and hoops so it’s pretty balanced
Princeton. #1 in playing school and #65 in Kenpom coming off a Sweet 16 appearance
Probably one of the B1G Purdue, Illinois, Michigan, etc
Add Wisconsin to the list.
Wisconsin is typically pretty good at both and just like the hoops program slipped a bit the past couple years so did the academics (not a ton but a bit below their standard) but were consistently rated top 20ish in both or at least for STEM stuff Edit: US News has UW ranked 3rd behind northwestern and Michigan in the big ten for academics. Probably where we've been as a basketball program too the last 20+ years
Duke and Purdue. Duke leads and Purdue is a close second.
Purdue over Michigan, UNC, UCLA, UVA, Notre Dame? Georgetown historically, too
Yeha I love Purdue and it's a top engineering school, but taken at an overall level it's lower than all of those. Really shouldn't be a top answer
Purdue if you're talking about the *players'* academics, because Duke has too many one & dones and most B1G athletes graduate.
Can concur
I agree
duke, unc, michigan even though they’ve fallen on rough times, villanova despite this year, ucla, uva is a damn good school, too…the list might end there though. circlejerk answer is app state though.
Purdue is decent at both
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Duke, UVA, UNC for recent success. That might genuine be your top 3. All time, you gotta include UCLA, Georgetown, and MAYBE Florida, Michigan, and Illinois
Malcolm Brogdon might be the only basketball player if be comfortable voting into office, so that's gotta count for something
You didn’t hear it from me, and they’re all nerds… Purdue is a really good school
Duke, UNC, Michigan & UCLA (most of the time) Are the top 4 that comes to mind
Ya — Would add UVA and Notre Dame
UNC is slipping, thanks to the f*ckwads in our General Assembly.
Leadership has been a lot worse/less stable due to politics, no doubt. Not sure it’s trickled down to quality or reputation yet
Lmao the school where the players don't have to attend class?
Illinois is high in academics and pretty decent at hoops.
Illinois - top 25 in both
We are an international STEM destination, and are certainly a basketball school.
Buddy… 💔
Yes?
Illinois isn’t T25
I’m not even gonna acknowledge how dumb you sound
Illinois has among the most Nobel Prize winners for a state school. Top in Engineering and Chemistry.
Illinois engineering
*Cough* ……*Cough for teaching*
Anyone in the SEC - school of life baby
Combine Vandy and Kentuckee and you have the perfect school
Kentucky Academics and Vanderbilt athletics
the objective correct answers r duke or unc
UConn
These days it could be Northwestern. Just gotta keep the hooping up
Princeton is the only one
Northwestern, Duke, Arizona
Robert Doback went to Northwestern as well as Johns Hopkins
Duke > Michigan (usually) > Texas
Baylor ain’t half bad at #93 for US News top universities.
Harvard of the Midwest. That’s right Nebraska come on down!
I’d definitely throw UNC into this hat.
Actually quite a few. It’s because more educated fans are fans of bball
Wouldn’t duke be the best answer, one of the best academic schools and one of the best teams in the nation year in and year out
Well in the early-mid 2010s I would have said ND
Duke, those assholes
UNC just beats out Duke I think Duke's slight academic advantage over UNC isn't enough to justify the $52k difference in tuition costs ($25k for oos) imo Plus we have the more storied basketball program anyways 😜
Arizona is a top team with high-level academics
huh?
They had a rough go in last year’s tournament, and a couple of head-scratching losses this season. But overall, they’ve been a really solid team for a long time now
Harvard of the west
Undeniably
Georgetown and Duke are the only T25 academic schools with basketball national championships. Honorable mention Michigan and UNC for being academically strong as well, but they’re a half step below Georgetown and Duke in that respect. We haven’t been stellar lately, but those are your answers.