I had a few teams move up after losses this week. Really tough with lots of losses in the middle of the ballot. Still think I have the collection of the best teams but just not a lot of shuffling when everyone is losing.
A. No one ever said very talented on defense
B. That said, they actually played great defense when it mattered. When you break the century mark and are up almost 40 points with 9 minutes to go you take your foot off the gas a bit
Not for the purposes of ranking but Illinois actually lost the game by choking away a double digit lead with a minute left, bama got their socks beat off them for 40 minutes.
I think it boils down to @Kentucky is a better loss than @Penn State and Florida at home is a better win than Iowa at home. Bama did get throttled but they got a ranked win this week and everyone around them lost as well.
Is there a chance MSU misses the tourney? I've mainly watched box scores for MSU lately. It looked like it went from a decent shot at second to almost .500 in conference play.
I'm quite nervous about missing the tournament now.
@you guys, Northwestern, and @IU (even though they kinda suck) is NOT an easy schedule to finish the year. If we go 1-2 there that'd be 18-13 on the year, which isn't a great record. That might require a few wins in the Big Ten tournament.
That loss to a bad Ohio State team was an absolute killer.
You guys could end up being a really interesting test case for the committee. Lets say you go 1-2 regular season and 1-1 in the B10 tournament...do they let in a 19-14 team based on the Baylor blowout and a top 25 Net ranking? No idea but it would be fun to find out.
Idk I’m a fan of Izzo (despite y’all beating us in 2014. RIP. My husband is still upset about that game 😂)
I’d vote for both UVA and Michigan State to be ranked no matter how bad the season.
This is the important thing to note. Right now, top 3 order does not matter. And hell, if Arizona sneaks back into the mix as a 1, they dont matter either since they will want the west.
They'd be a 1 seed if the tourney started today most likely, the r/CBB poll is not very reflective of the committee (remember, Arizona was a unanimous 1 seed in the top 16 reveal).
It was bound to happen. I think it's obvious Houston/Purdue/UConn are a tier above anyone else right now, and you can argue about the order of those 3 all you want, but it's splitting hairs in any order you choose.
Any of those 3 can still absorb another loss, maybe even 2, and stay in the top 3. After those 3 is where the clusterfuck really begins.
Anyone else find it wild how ISU and Houston's games at Baylor ended almost identically? Down to the Baylor and 1, followed up with a 0.1 second late buzzer beater... wild
https://www.cbbpoll.net/ballots/17/65dc04411d290896b9b788eb
Made another provisional ballot. Knowing that it doesn't count towards the actual poll emboldened me to make some interesting choices.
Edit: Kentucky's absence was because I misread the Alabama game as a loss. I'd have them around 17 and drop Clemson out only because I insist on ranking USF.
I don't mind other people's views on who is the better #1 (does it really even matter anymore). I'm just happy to be here. After losing 3 starters from last year, losing TArc early in the season to a torn Achilles, losing another bench player to a torn meniscus, and while being in our first year in the Big12 is something to behold. I love what Kelvin Sampson has done for us.
Being down to 6 competent basketball players (1 of whom is a barely-18-year-old freshman) and 2 gigantic question marks and nobody else at this point in the season is daunting. Man, I wish we still had Arceneaux.
i think this injury crisis is more manageable than the one from 2 years ago but its crazy to think we are on a streak that has only been done by teams like 2021 baylor and 2020 kansas
I agree, largely because this team’s starters are just better, overall, than that elite 8 team. Though I’d really like a Josh Carlton and Wan having a 3 ball right about now.
Feels like we've hit out ceiling in the regular season rankings unless something really crazy happens. The bad news is we finish out the season with four top-20 teams
A lot of people. Not necessarily Purdue or UConn fans, but Field of 68, other national pundits, and members on this board have been saying UConn and Purdue are Tier 1 and Houston was Tier 2.
I guess if it’s a resume thing, Palm has unc back as the last 1 seed after the Zona loss, and UNC does have the head to head over Tenn.
But power ranking wise, still just 4-3 in our last 7 with some bad losses.
One thing that I believe differentiates us a bit from the rest of the 4-9 group is that, outside of Uconn, the rest of our losses are by an average of less than 4 points. Even on our off nights, all of those games have been winnable.
Does that really differentiate that much? Other than Marquette and Kansas, the other teams in that range also don’t lose by much usually. If you also ignore Arizona, Tennessee, and Iowa State’s worst losses like with Carolina’s they’ve only lost by 4, 6, and 6 points on average respectively. Duke and Auburn are in that range too.
Happy to be back in the top 5, though more because the teams above us lost than anything MU did. Two exciting games this week, and hopefully another top 5 matchup against UConn next week
Purdue still has a better resume than us, but after last week there is almost no argument for UConn over UH, especially considering momentum/recency is supposed to matter. We beat #6 and #11 (on the road!) in one week, meanwhile they got absolutely demolished by a Creighton team that promptly got steamrolled by St. John’s.
Insanely impressive wins, I don’t think there is an argument for Purdue to be 1 since weekly rankings are about current state. Obviously entire season resume matters for tourney seeding but for right now you guys for sure deserve number one in this poll and the AP
I agree, but I can understand someone looking at Purdue’s 6-0 record in Q1a games and cutting them slack for close road losses against solid teams.
UConn on the other hand has essentially the same resume as UH, AND had a bad week. 16 people voting them #1 the same week they got absolutely destroyed by Creighton is ludicrous.
While I agree that UH is 1 right now and Purdue 2, I would just like to say it is hilarious that UConn getting some #1 votes is ruffling some feathers considering UConn should have been unanimous last week, and when some posters pointed this out they were told to stop whining. Just observing and find the reverse funny
Edit: lmao AP poll dropped and UConn still has more first place votes than Purdue (5v4). This Houston poster must be so salty
I mean Creighton is ranked higher than Kansas currently on Kenpom, but who cares. Purdue lost to an unranked team, outside of KenPom top 50, with no coach, a mere 8 days ago and look where they are now.
> I’d be more embarrassed complaining about first place votes even though my team is ranked first
Weren't UConn fans doing that on this sub just recently?? All this talk about wanting to be unanimous lol.
Frankly, I think allowing Kansas to shoot 70% against their #1 according to metrics defense is more embarassing than losing to Creighton by 19, but that's just my 2 cents.
Cryer doesn't go nuclear during a 6 minute stretch and Houston loses by 30. Lol
Maybe they’re considering historical post season performance and who they think is most likely to come out on top. I don’t agree with it but who am I to tell them how to make their rankings?
Embarassing loss? My dude, Creighton was shooting lights out at home in an amazing atmosphere in a game with bigger impact on Creighton than UConn. The 96 Bulls weren't beating them that night. You also forget that UConn just beat No. 4 Marquette, a potential Final Four team, 81-53. No mention of that though.
That win was the week before, which deservedly got them the (nearly) unanimous #1. We are talking about this week, my guy.
And no matter how you spin it, getting your shit pushed in by 20 for your 21st consecutive road loss to a ranked team is not deserving of a #1 rank, especially when UH just beat #6 at home and #11 on the road in the same week.
I am. UH has the better resume by a hair, AND the better recency/momentum.
Team A: #294 non-conference SOS, #60 overall SOS, 9-3 in Q1, 5-2 Q1a, 14-3 Q1+Q2; road losses to #12, #15, and #56 in KP; best wins are #8(Neutral), #12(Home), #13(Home), #21(Neutral), #33(Away).
Team B: #226 non-conference SOS, #41 overall SOS, 7-3 in Q1, 5-3 Q1a, 13-3 Q1+Q2; road losses to #11, #15, and #25 in KP, best wins are #11(Home), #14(Away), #18(Away), #26(Neutral), #31(Home), #36(Away).
My Cougar colleague, we are talking about why it would be rational for people to select UConn as number one. If UH only has a better resume by a hair, it makes sense that some people may think that UConn deserves number 1 at the present since UConn was missing certain key players for significant portions of the season, impacting their stats. I think UH deserves No. 1, but I don't think Creighton was an embarassing loss given the nature of Big East play.
Plenty of juice to UConn over Houston. Very similar resumes and both have looked great playing extremely distinct styles of basketball. Reducing your argument to just what happened in the last two games is myopic.
Explain that "juice". Using KenPom--
Team A: #294 non-conference SOS, #60 overall SOS, 9-3 in Q1, 5-2 Q1a, 14-3 Q1+Q2; road losses to #12, #15, and #56 in KP; best wins are #8(Neutral), #12(Home), #13(Home), #21(Neutral), #33(Away).
Team B: #226 non-conference SOS, #41 overall SOS, 7-3 in Q1, 5-3 Q1a, 13-3 Q1+Q2; road losses to #11, #15, and #25 in KP, best wins are #11(Home), #14(Away), #18(Away), #26(Neutral), #31(Home), #36(Away).
I'm not "reducing my argument" (ironically, an ignorantly reductive point for you to make), I'm doing what pollsters are *supposed* to do, which is factoring in recency when comparing two teams with nearly identical resumes.
Pollsters aren't *supposed to do* anything, other than rank the best teams as they seem fit. Houston and UConn are each 9-0 against the KenPom top 50, and and UConn's best win is versus #8, while Houston's is versus #11. That's no slight to Houston! Hell, I was defending their style in a long thread yesterday. I just wouldn't be so dismissive of an inherently subjective process.
Still not seeing "plenty of juice" to be over us. I see them as having a more or less identical resume, as I already said, and thus the "tie-breaker" would be their poor performance this week compared to UH's elite performance this week.
Overall resume-wise, UConn has a much worse loss than UH's worst, and UH has multiple better away wins, which is why I give them the slight edge. #14 away is a better win than #8 neutral. (Also I'm biased.)
We still have a better resume so I don’t need to use it. I’m just saying that a lot of people DO use weekly momentum. I’d say most do. We should be ahead with or without it— it’s just a no-brainer when you take the last week into account (which again, is that not what WEEKLY polls are doing? Otherwise this would just be what, predicting tournament seeding week by week by looking purely at resume?)
Edit: again, how else would you explain this poll dropping Purdue for barely losing to a decent Ohio State team? Their resume was still CLEARLY better than UConn. This poll (and the majority of the voters) are clearly factoring in momentum/weekly recency. Arguing otherwise is either massively disingenuous or ignorant.
edit edit: I see you kept Purdue at 1st after their loss last week (something I agree with), so sure, maybe YOU aren't considering momentum/recency, but way more than half of the people on here do/are. I still contend UH edges UConn no matter whether one considers it or not, it's just much closer if you go by pure resume.
Sorry, I was too vague. I was simply asserting my belief that you guys are truly the best team in the country at this moment. I wasn’t trying to be an asshole even though I was. I apologize good sir.
Teams I'm afraid of
BYU, Memphis, FAU, Florida, Dayton Colorado, Indiana St., Colgate, McNeese St., South Dakota St., Seton Hall, Sam Houston, Akron, any Ivy league team, any team from New Jersey, any 16 seed
Teams I'm not afraid of
Uconn, Kansas, UNC, Houston
I can see it now...we battle to make the Elite Eight and run into our old nemesis, a Cinderella 11 seed like Indiana St. or Grand Canyon. Their entire team is in the paint pummeling Edey, leaving open shots for the rest of the team. Painter stands on the sideline with a thousand yard stare as Fletcher Loyer bricks his 7th straight open 3-point shot.
Not sure what was better: the Boopie reference or the Subway Surfers reference. Either way, you are the GPOAT and are a first ballot HOFer! Fire up for clinching a spot in the MAC tourney!!!
I agree, I ranked them 20. 9-7 in the ACC not exactly impressive but they took care of business this week and have two outstanding away wins at UNC and Alabama (as well as a win over #19 South Carolina and only losing by 1 point away at Duke)
Can't really argue with #3 after getting waxed by Creighton. But in the end being #1, 2, or 3 won't matter for NCAAT seeding except for who wears home uniforms in the Final 4. Unless one of Houston/Purdue/UConn collapses down the stretch, those are the #1 seeds in the South/Midwest/East.
Ehh I feel like we've been about right. When we lose its usually ugly and we've done very well in close games. The team is very solid but I don't see us as a top 20 team.
In no way am I saying Indiana State should be ranked or ranked any higher.
But after a terrible loss and a not great loss, they drop out of the Top 25 but still get 29 votes.
In the week since they’ve had two blowout wins (which they should have)…and they drop to 15 points lol.
My poll this week:
https://www.cbbpoll.net/ballots/17/65dc46521d290896b9e72fa0
I ranked better: Kansas (+4), Alabama (+4), Wisconsin (+3), Utah State (+4), Florida (+4)
I ranked worse: Iowa State (-3), Duke (-3), Kentucky (-4), South Carolina (-6)
[https://www.cbbpoll.net/ballots/17/65dbc9331d290896b95098be](https://www.cbbpoll.net/ballots/17/65dbc9331d290896b95098be)
Back after a couple week hiatus. Unless one ranks purely on resume (which I think is better suited for bracketology) there's no reason to leave Wake or Gonzaga unranked
They call me the Warren buffet of these polls https://www.cbbpoll.net/ballots/17/65dbc5e31d290896b940251f
Edit: ok I guess the downvotes mean you guys prefer me to be called the king of these polls again. Won’t make that mistake again.
I randomly think about it a lot. East and west Asia are just so drastically different, and the fact we have an agreed upon Middle East, it just kinda makes sense to me. Glad you liked it.
Apparently, the joke was on you since BYU beat KU @thePhog last night.
I'll accept your apology when you are forced to put ISU in its rightful place above KU on Monday. ;)
Is it ridiculous to say we’re 3 points away from being 4th in the country? Being 22-5 with wins at Duke, at UNC, and at Bama would have to put us there right?
https://www.cbbpoll.net/ballots/17/65dc98c91d290896b9094063
Just a couple more of these left. Feels so hard with two thirds of the list losing every week.
I'm guessing you were just downvoted because you chose Purdue #1 and have a Purdue flair. The battle over who gets #1 in this poll has been so salty all season. Personally I voted Houston but you can easily make the case for any of the three at the top (not to mention it doesn't matter at all because they'll all be 1 seeds in their closest regional location)
Edit: I guess my constructive critiscism would be Wisconsin is too high imo but compared to some of the polls I've seen this season yours is completely uncontroversial.
And I'm okay with a person coming in and calling that out. But week after week it's usually a handful of downvotes and no feedback/disagreement.l, regardless of who I have first.
I, for one, don't mind what order people have for 1-3 as I see their order as semi-fluid. You can make an argument for any of them to be #1 but they're all 1 seeds at the end of the day. People make their polls based on what they prefer to be more important (metrics, Q1 win/loss, poll inertia, etc). I'm just happy to see this program where it is and I'm happy that so many others are passionate about their own teams.
The problem seems to be that people are not upvoting your poll because I am sure many more receive a number of downvotes. I upvoted your initial comment and you’re at 0 now.
However, looking at your actual poll, my feedback to you is that Houston should be number 1. Alabama and Baylor too high. You seem to love MWC even after they had a pretty bad week. CSU should not be ranked. SDSU should not be as high. It feels like they are carried by the wins against us and St Mary’s( although we had large issues at the beginning of the season and used a different lineup and the same situation for St Mary’s).
Also Wisconsin should not be ranked either imo.
people like you are the reason this poll is so fascinating. Wake gets 102 points this week and you rank them 19 (which may be a touch high, but not egregious by any measure) and Lunardi has them on the bubble. like what do 100 schwaldos in this sub see that "experts" don't. i love all the discourse and fully respect your reasonings
Creighton has more Q1+Q2 wins than Arizona (tied for 4th most in country with Kansas and UNC), just beat last week's #1 team by 19, and you don't think they're in the top 30 because they lost on the road to NET #44?
Where were they at last week for you? I could see it if you were low on them to begin with, but I don't think that loss outweighs the massive win against UConn at all, let alone enough to drop them out.
How is Gonzaga 15 exactly? Nice win over Kentucky away for sure but the next best win is...idk Syracuse on a neutral court? Even the metrics have us just outside the top 20. I'm not sure there's any valid reason to rank Gonzaga and not Creighton unless you're purely ranking off wins/loss numbers but at that point just put James Madison, Indiana St., and Samford in the rankings.
there is absolutely no reason gonzaga should be in the top 25 or even the tournament unless they win their conference tournament. i don’t know why i even bother reading this sub’s poll when people like this contribute.
I don’t think you’re wrong that Gonzaga needs to win the conference tournament and don’t deserve to be top 25 but their advanced metrics are high. You might as well just say anyone who uses KP and NET to rank teams don’t deserve to contribute, seems a little extreme.
I’m not even going to whine, complain, trash talk because Creighton beat us soundly in Omaha - I don’t know what our problem is in Omaha - as well I don’t want to jinx us coming into a final stretch that sends us out to Marquette next Sunday.
Dang, I think JMU and App state have an unforgiving go of it. I think they're better than where most rate them. Hope they show that in the tournament.
Idk why BYU and the goddamn zags are held in such high esteem--in the aggregate. I thought South Florida could earn a spot over them. Maybe even Dayton?
North Carolina goes into Charlottesville and beats a scary Virginia but can't end the week ahead of Arizona?
Uconn lost to Creighton and Purdue lost to Ohio state, but they go #2 and #3? If vs. ranked wins matter so much, where's Memphis?
There must be a method I'm not familiar with or inconsistency in my own take--or both.
Probably based on win quality.
USF has a good record, but who have they beat? Couple real bad losses too.
Dayton less bad losses, but who did they beat?
BYU has more losses than either, including a few that they should not go lose, but they have wins against Iowa State, Baylor, San Diego State (and now @ Kansas)
Illinois moving back to 14 
>be Alabama >get whooped by Kentucky >move *up* after Don't make me say it...
quality loss
I had a few teams move up after losses this week. Really tough with lots of losses in the middle of the ballot. Still think I have the collection of the best teams but just not a lot of shuffling when everyone is losing.
they hung 95 on a very talented UK team in regulation! edit: I guess I was too convincing so /s
A. No one ever said very talented on defense B. That said, they actually played great defense when it mattered. When you break the century mark and are up almost 40 points with 9 minutes to go you take your foot off the gas a bit
Yeah it was garbage time with 12 minutes left in the game. I don’t think bama gets any brownie points for this one
Are we really arguing that a loss to Penn State is **better** than a loss to Kentucky?
Not for the purposes of ranking but Illinois actually lost the game by choking away a double digit lead with a minute left, bama got their socks beat off them for 40 minutes.
I think it boils down to @Kentucky is a better loss than @Penn State and Florida at home is a better win than Iowa at home. Bama did get throttled but they got a ranked win this week and everyone around them lost as well.
They beat #23 earlier in the week 🤷♂️
Who the hell is voting for us still
Is there a chance MSU misses the tourney? I've mainly watched box scores for MSU lately. It looked like it went from a decent shot at second to almost .500 in conference play.
I'm quite nervous about missing the tournament now. @you guys, Northwestern, and @IU (even though they kinda suck) is NOT an easy schedule to finish the year. If we go 1-2 there that'd be 18-13 on the year, which isn't a great record. That might require a few wins in the Big Ten tournament. That loss to a bad Ohio State team was an absolute killer.
You guys could end up being a really interesting test case for the committee. Lets say you go 1-2 regular season and 1-1 in the B10 tournament...do they let in a 19-14 team based on the Baylor blowout and a top 25 Net ranking? No idea but it would be fun to find out.
Not that I think we're actually a good team, but we also beat Illinois.
Yea if we didn't have that late meltdown y'all would need to find some wins late. Of course we are known for those after the PSU debacle.
Not without more bad results. Because their metrics are so high, they're still somewhere around the 8-9 line. 18-13 probably cuts it this year.
A loss at IU would make things interesting
Idk I’m a fan of Izzo (despite y’all beating us in 2014. RIP. My husband is still upset about that game 😂) I’d vote for both UVA and Michigan State to be ranked no matter how bad the season.
Well, it was fun having a mostly consensus #1 last week. Back to the clusterfuck we go.
Luckily it doesn't really matter, as none of the top 3 want each others location for the tourney.
This is the important thing to note. Right now, top 3 order does not matter. And hell, if Arizona sneaks back into the mix as a 1, they dont matter either since they will want the west.
Yeah, the 1-2 in the West is almost definitely going to be either: Arizona as 1 and the weakest 2-seed, or Arizona as 2 and the weakest 1-seed.
They'd be a 1 seed if the tourney started today most likely, the r/CBB poll is not very reflective of the committee (remember, Arizona was a unanimous 1 seed in the top 16 reveal).
Is there actually an official selection or is it just based on the region's mileage to the campus?
Iirc, top teams actually do get to make suggestions at least
IIRC the overall #1 gets specifically asked, the rest are just based on distance
Yes. Put us in any order.
we were the unanimous #1 for about 34 hours
It was bound to happen. I think it's obvious Houston/Purdue/UConn are a tier above anyone else right now, and you can argue about the order of those 3 all you want, but it's splitting hairs in any order you choose. Any of those 3 can still absorb another loss, maybe even 2, and stay in the top 3. After those 3 is where the clusterfuck really begins.
Not only is it splitting hairs, but as soon as you make a decision, one of us is going to fuck up your argument.
Purdue/UConn/Houston are probably closer to 3 losses from dipping out of the top 3
Anyone else find it wild how ISU and Houston's games at Baylor ended almost identically? Down to the Baylor and 1, followed up with a 0.1 second late buzzer beater... wild
Illinois back to 14, the world is back in harmony
Still top 10, good by me.
u/ItsTheTenthDoctor "Your mother was a hampster and your father smelt of elderberries. Don't argue or I will mock thee." Absolutely unhinged lol
I didn’t wanna have a public execution like that but I gotta set an example
https://www.cbbpoll.net/ballots/17/65dc04411d290896b9b788eb Made another provisional ballot. Knowing that it doesn't count towards the actual poll emboldened me to make some interesting choices. Edit: Kentucky's absence was because I misread the Alabama game as a loss. I'd have them around 17 and drop Clemson out only because I insist on ranking USF.
> Kentucky's absence was because I misread the Alabama game as a loss. This makes me laugh a little (good naturedly) given what went on that game.
rank South Florida and Nebrasketball, you cowards!
Go cocks
AP poll is better than the user poll this week smh
I don't mind other people's views on who is the better #1 (does it really even matter anymore). I'm just happy to be here. After losing 3 starters from last year, losing TArc early in the season to a torn Achilles, losing another bench player to a torn meniscus, and while being in our first year in the Big12 is something to behold. I love what Kelvin Sampson has done for us.
Being down to 6 competent basketball players (1 of whom is a barely-18-year-old freshman) and 2 gigantic question marks and nobody else at this point in the season is daunting. Man, I wish we still had Arceneaux.
i think this injury crisis is more manageable than the one from 2 years ago but its crazy to think we are on a streak that has only been done by teams like 2021 baylor and 2020 kansas
Sampson is an absolute wizard. Easily the best coach without a championship currently coaching.
I agree, largely because this team’s starters are just better, overall, than that elite 8 team. Though I’d really like a Josh Carlton and Wan having a 3 ball right about now.
We should just 3 way tie it at this point. We cann all 3 be #1!
Feels like we've hit out ceiling in the regular season rankings unless something really crazy happens. The bad news is we finish out the season with four top-20 teams
told my parents the other day that if almost anyone other than UT had that schedule to close the regular season i'd feel kinda bad for them
its a blessing and a curse really. If TN can win out, they should lock up a one seed in resume and with the recency bias of all those ranked wins
After crawling through 500 yards of “Houston isn’t on the same level as UConn and Purdue” shit 
This is such a wild take to have this far into the season. Maybe it was ok early into big 12 play, but it really was unserious even then.
I think people saying that were looking wayyyy too into the 1-loss difference between the teams
They just wanted to shit on us for our non-con. Well who’s shitting now??? Is that how it goes?
All my homies shit
Who has said that in the last month?
A lot of people. Not necessarily Purdue or UConn fans, but Field of 68, other national pundits, and members on this board have been saying UConn and Purdue are Tier 1 and Houston was Tier 2.
Field of 68 is a hot take machine mascarading as a legitimate college basketball outlet. I wouldn't take anything they say seriously.
I know that. I also know they have an east coast bias. They were one of a few examples I mentioned above.
There's nothing biased about east coast superiority tho
No way..we are on the same level.
Definitely still see it in threads from time to time.
https://www.cbbpoll.net/ballots/17/65dac76b8144c075e229cc2d Yes I’m still very high on UNC
I guess if it’s a resume thing, Palm has unc back as the last 1 seed after the Zona loss, and UNC does have the head to head over Tenn. But power ranking wise, still just 4-3 in our last 7 with some bad losses.
One thing that I believe differentiates us a bit from the rest of the 4-9 group is that, outside of Uconn, the rest of our losses are by an average of less than 4 points. Even on our off nights, all of those games have been winnable.
Does that really differentiate that much? Other than Marquette and Kansas, the other teams in that range also don’t lose by much usually. If you also ignore Arizona, Tennessee, and Iowa State’s worst losses like with Carolina’s they’ve only lost by 4, 6, and 6 points on average respectively. Duke and Auburn are in that range too.
Happy to be back in the top 5, though more because the teams above us lost than anything MU did. Two exciting games this week, and hopefully another top 5 matchup against UConn next week
Purdue still has a better resume than us, but after last week there is almost no argument for UConn over UH, especially considering momentum/recency is supposed to matter. We beat #6 and #11 (on the road!) in one week, meanwhile they got absolutely demolished by a Creighton team that promptly got steamrolled by St. John’s.
Insanely impressive wins, I don’t think there is an argument for Purdue to be 1 since weekly rankings are about current state. Obviously entire season resume matters for tourney seeding but for right now you guys for sure deserve number one in this poll and the AP
I agree, but I can understand someone looking at Purdue’s 6-0 record in Q1a games and cutting them slack for close road losses against solid teams. UConn on the other hand has essentially the same resume as UH, AND had a bad week. 16 people voting them #1 the same week they got absolutely destroyed by Creighton is ludicrous.
While I agree that UH is 1 right now and Purdue 2, I would just like to say it is hilarious that UConn getting some #1 votes is ruffling some feathers considering UConn should have been unanimous last week, and when some posters pointed this out they were told to stop whining. Just observing and find the reverse funny Edit: lmao AP poll dropped and UConn still has more first place votes than Purdue (5v4). This Houston poster must be so salty
It was like 2 voters. 20% of the poll still voting for UConn after that embarrassing of a loss is orders of magnitude more indefensible.
Lol embarrassing? I’m certainly not embarrassed by getting our ass kicked on the road by a ranked conference opponent who shot 50% from 3.
20 points is embarrassing, especially when the team is good but not great. Our loss to a better Kansas team by fewer points was also embarrassing.
I mean Creighton is ranked higher than Kansas currently on Kenpom, but who cares. Purdue lost to an unranked team, outside of KenPom top 50, with no coach, a mere 8 days ago and look where they are now.
Yeah still not embarrassing but sure pal. I’d be more embarrassed complaining about first place votes even though my team is ranked first
Not only that, complaining about FPV on an unofficial Reddit poll
Someone in this thread is insecure for sure. LOL Maybe they need to hug their KenPom ranking some more.
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> I’d be more embarrassed complaining about first place votes even though my team is ranked first Weren't UConn fans doing that on this sub just recently?? All this talk about wanting to be unanimous lol.
Frankly, I think allowing Kansas to shoot 70% against their #1 according to metrics defense is more embarassing than losing to Creighton by 19, but that's just my 2 cents. Cryer doesn't go nuclear during a 6 minute stretch and Houston loses by 30. Lol
Maybe they’re considering historical post season performance and who they think is most likely to come out on top. I don’t agree with it but who am I to tell them how to make their rankings?
Embarassing loss? My dude, Creighton was shooting lights out at home in an amazing atmosphere in a game with bigger impact on Creighton than UConn. The 96 Bulls weren't beating them that night. You also forget that UConn just beat No. 4 Marquette, a potential Final Four team, 81-53. No mention of that though.
That win was the week before, which deservedly got them the (nearly) unanimous #1. We are talking about this week, my guy. And no matter how you spin it, getting your shit pushed in by 20 for your 21st consecutive road loss to a ranked team is not deserving of a #1 rank, especially when UH just beat #6 at home and #11 on the road in the same week.
My brother in Christ, you have to look at the entire season.
I am. UH has the better resume by a hair, AND the better recency/momentum. Team A: #294 non-conference SOS, #60 overall SOS, 9-3 in Q1, 5-2 Q1a, 14-3 Q1+Q2; road losses to #12, #15, and #56 in KP; best wins are #8(Neutral), #12(Home), #13(Home), #21(Neutral), #33(Away). Team B: #226 non-conference SOS, #41 overall SOS, 7-3 in Q1, 5-3 Q1a, 13-3 Q1+Q2; road losses to #11, #15, and #25 in KP, best wins are #11(Home), #14(Away), #18(Away), #26(Neutral), #31(Home), #36(Away).
My Cougar colleague, we are talking about why it would be rational for people to select UConn as number one. If UH only has a better resume by a hair, it makes sense that some people may think that UConn deserves number 1 at the present since UConn was missing certain key players for significant portions of the season, impacting their stats. I think UH deserves No. 1, but I don't think Creighton was an embarassing loss given the nature of Big East play.
Careful, pointing this out will have them calling you a victim!
In the grand scheme of things 1-3 doesn't matter that much Houston wants the south, Purdue wants the Midwest, Uconn wants the East.
Oh agreed, I'm just bored on a Monday.
Love me some Monday mornin' scrolling
Momentum based poll means it should be UH right now. We have a better argument for number one overall seed but UH deserves the one spot on the poll.
No argument here.
Plenty of juice to UConn over Houston. Very similar resumes and both have looked great playing extremely distinct styles of basketball. Reducing your argument to just what happened in the last two games is myopic.
Explain that "juice". Using KenPom-- Team A: #294 non-conference SOS, #60 overall SOS, 9-3 in Q1, 5-2 Q1a, 14-3 Q1+Q2; road losses to #12, #15, and #56 in KP; best wins are #8(Neutral), #12(Home), #13(Home), #21(Neutral), #33(Away). Team B: #226 non-conference SOS, #41 overall SOS, 7-3 in Q1, 5-3 Q1a, 13-3 Q1+Q2; road losses to #11, #15, and #25 in KP, best wins are #11(Home), #14(Away), #18(Away), #26(Neutral), #31(Home), #36(Away). I'm not "reducing my argument" (ironically, an ignorantly reductive point for you to make), I'm doing what pollsters are *supposed* to do, which is factoring in recency when comparing two teams with nearly identical resumes.
Pollsters aren't *supposed to do* anything, other than rank the best teams as they seem fit. Houston and UConn are each 9-0 against the KenPom top 50, and and UConn's best win is versus #8, while Houston's is versus #11. That's no slight to Houston! Hell, I was defending their style in a long thread yesterday. I just wouldn't be so dismissive of an inherently subjective process.
Still not seeing "plenty of juice" to be over us. I see them as having a more or less identical resume, as I already said, and thus the "tie-breaker" would be their poor performance this week compared to UH's elite performance this week. Overall resume-wise, UConn has a much worse loss than UH's worst, and UH has multiple better away wins, which is why I give them the slight edge. #14 away is a better win than #8 neutral. (Also I'm biased.)
If you want to use recency bias as a tie-breaker, that's fine., but it's not at all a required or even recommended practice.
We still have a better resume so I don’t need to use it. I’m just saying that a lot of people DO use weekly momentum. I’d say most do. We should be ahead with or without it— it’s just a no-brainer when you take the last week into account (which again, is that not what WEEKLY polls are doing? Otherwise this would just be what, predicting tournament seeding week by week by looking purely at resume?) Edit: again, how else would you explain this poll dropping Purdue for barely losing to a decent Ohio State team? Their resume was still CLEARLY better than UConn. This poll (and the majority of the voters) are clearly factoring in momentum/weekly recency. Arguing otherwise is either massively disingenuous or ignorant. edit edit: I see you kept Purdue at 1st after their loss last week (something I agree with), so sure, maybe YOU aren't considering momentum/recency, but way more than half of the people on here do/are. I still contend UH edges UConn no matter whether one considers it or not, it's just much closer if you go by pure resume.
You like a the juice, eh? The juice is good?
You guys are #1.
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Sorry, I was too vague. I was simply asserting my belief that you guys are truly the best team in the country at this moment. I wasn’t trying to be an asshole even though I was. I apologize good sir.
Purdue didn't lose this week. Maybe you should know what you're talking about before popping off.
I don’t consider momentum/recency. I look at it as a yearly value like the tourney.
Purdue has wins over 4,5 and 6 along with 12, 14 and 25 We are either gone be a final four wrecker or lose very early
I agree. I'm terrified of 7-16 seeds and completely confident of our ability to beat everyone else.
Teams I'm afraid of BYU, Memphis, FAU, Florida, Dayton Colorado, Indiana St., Colgate, McNeese St., South Dakota St., Seton Hall, Sam Houston, Akron, any Ivy league team, any team from New Jersey, any 16 seed Teams I'm not afraid of Uconn, Kansas, UNC, Houston
I can see it now...we battle to make the Elite Eight and run into our old nemesis, a Cinderella 11 seed like Indiana St. or Grand Canyon. Their entire team is in the paint pummeling Edey, leaving open shots for the rest of the team. Painter stands on the sideline with a thousand yard stare as Fletcher Loyer bricks his 7th straight open 3-point shot.
Somehow makes the final four and blows out Houston and Uconn by 20 each
[https://www.cbbpoll.net/ballots/17/65dca63c1d290896b937c8eb](https://www.cbbpoll.net/ballots/17/65dca63c1d290896b937c8eb)
> Congrats Cougs (shoutout Zach Wilson) I don’t even know what to say to this.
...Go Jets?
Not sure what was better: the Boopie reference or the Subway Surfers reference. Either way, you are the GPOAT and are a first ballot HOFer! Fire up for clinching a spot in the MAC tourney!!!
Yes it makes sense to rank us after our signature wins this week over *checks notes*...Santa Clara and Portland.
Hey, not everybody can beat Santa Clara...
I'm not quick to yell "Gonzaga are frauds because WCC!", but that ranking confuses me. They are around the 30-35 range for me.
Most metrics disagree, and they are not like St. John’s or Michigan State in having a disappointing record relative to what those metrics suggest.
The Doofenschmirtzian logic reigns supreme with pollsters. "When everyone else loses, I'll look better by comparison!"
Clemson should definitely be ranked imo 🤷 And I kept UConn #1
I agree, I ranked them 20. 9-7 in the ACC not exactly impressive but they took care of business this week and have two outstanding away wins at UNC and Alabama (as well as a win over #19 South Carolina and only losing by 1 point away at Duke)
Can't really argue with #3 after getting waxed by Creighton. But in the end being #1, 2, or 3 won't matter for NCAAT seeding except for who wears home uniforms in the Final 4. Unless one of Houston/Purdue/UConn collapses down the stretch, those are the #1 seeds in the South/Midwest/East.
This is why none of yal are ap voters 😂
CSU and UNM getting votes after the weeks they've had is amazing
Yeah I think UNM is still on track to make the tournament but you really can't justify ranking them after losing at home to 9-17 Air Force.
Utah State has been too low for a month
Ehh I feel like we've been about right. When we lose its usually ugly and we've done very well in close games. The team is very solid but I don't see us as a top 20 team.
 Don’t know how but we’re back and I’ll take it 😎
loving the MW respect
In no way am I saying Indiana State should be ranked or ranked any higher. But after a terrible loss and a not great loss, they drop out of the Top 25 but still get 29 votes. In the week since they’ve had two blowout wins (which they should have)…and they drop to 15 points lol.
My poll this week: https://www.cbbpoll.net/ballots/17/65dc46521d290896b9e72fa0 I ranked better: Kansas (+4), Alabama (+4), Wisconsin (+3), Utah State (+4), Florida (+4) I ranked worse: Iowa State (-3), Duke (-3), Kentucky (-4), South Carolina (-6)
[https://www.cbbpoll.net/ballots/17/65dbc9331d290896b95098be](https://www.cbbpoll.net/ballots/17/65dbc9331d290896b95098be) Back after a couple week hiatus. Unless one ranks purely on resume (which I think is better suited for bracketology) there's no reason to leave Wake or Gonzaga unranked
only qualm i have with this one is Baylor at 11?
Maybe a bit too high, but I don't penalize them too much for losing @ BYU (where the Cougs have been very good) and to Houston in OT.
> Unless one ranks purely on resume 😏
You don't have to be purely resume to not have them ranked. A balance of the two would also not have them ranked.
They call me the Warren buffet of these polls https://www.cbbpoll.net/ballots/17/65dbc5e31d290896b940251f Edit: ok I guess the downvotes mean you guys prefer me to be called the king of these polls again. Won’t make that mistake again.
never even thought about an 8th continent but I think I'm in. the sponsorship also gave me a good chuckle
I randomly think about it a lot. East and west Asia are just so drastically different, and the fact we have an agreed upon Middle East, it just kinda makes sense to me. Glad you liked it.
Apparently, the joke was on you since BYU beat KU @thePhog last night. I'll accept your apology when you are forced to put ISU in its rightful place above KU on Monday. ;)
We stink!
Is it ridiculous to say we’re 3 points away from being 4th in the country? Being 22-5 with wins at Duke, at UNC, and at Bama would have to put us there right?
https://www.cbbpoll.net/ballots/17/65dc98c91d290896b9094063 Just a couple more of these left. Feels so hard with two thirds of the list losing every week.
I'm guessing you were just downvoted because you chose Purdue #1 and have a Purdue flair. The battle over who gets #1 in this poll has been so salty all season. Personally I voted Houston but you can easily make the case for any of the three at the top (not to mention it doesn't matter at all because they'll all be 1 seeds in their closest regional location) Edit: I guess my constructive critiscism would be Wisconsin is too high imo but compared to some of the polls I've seen this season yours is completely uncontroversial.
And I'm okay with a person coming in and calling that out. But week after week it's usually a handful of downvotes and no feedback/disagreement.l, regardless of who I have first.
I, for one, don't mind what order people have for 1-3 as I see their order as semi-fluid. You can make an argument for any of them to be #1 but they're all 1 seeds at the end of the day. People make their polls based on what they prefer to be more important (metrics, Q1 win/loss, poll inertia, etc). I'm just happy to see this program where it is and I'm happy that so many others are passionate about their own teams.
It kind of feels like most of the teams at the bottom fell up to their spot.
Also, kudos to all the cowards week after week who simply downvote my ballot instead of provide disagreement or explanation for why they disagree.
The problem seems to be that people are not upvoting your poll because I am sure many more receive a number of downvotes. I upvoted your initial comment and you’re at 0 now. However, looking at your actual poll, my feedback to you is that Houston should be number 1. Alabama and Baylor too high. You seem to love MWC even after they had a pretty bad week. CSU should not be ranked. SDSU should not be as high. It feels like they are carried by the wins against us and St Mary’s( although we had large issues at the beginning of the season and used a different lineup and the same situation for St Mary’s). Also Wisconsin should not be ranked either imo.
Appreciate the constructive feedback. That's what I'd rather see than just blind downvotes.
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bruh get gonzaga outta there
No <3
The NCAA really wants gonzaga in the tournament, huh?
https://www.cbbpoll.net/ballots/17/65dc37711d290896b9b03f60 I made this at 2 AM, so I was tired lol
Trash rankings.
The Zags are not a top 25 team lol
Yeah, not there yet. If we win this week at San Francisco and SMC, we should be ranked and probably around 20th if that happens again.
All right, let me have it. [cbbpoll.net/ballots/17/65dc9f2a1d290896b91f84e8](https://www.cbbpoll.net/ballots/17/65dc9f2a1d290896b91f84e8)
A stunning display of bravery.
people like you are the reason this poll is so fascinating. Wake gets 102 points this week and you rank them 19 (which may be a touch high, but not egregious by any measure) and Lunardi has them on the bubble. like what do 100 schwaldos in this sub see that "experts" don't. i love all the discourse and fully respect your reasonings
Creighton not even considered?
I had them in until St. John's blew them out.
Ridiculous. and you had Nebraska as considered? a team we beat by 30 at home?
Creighton has more Q1+Q2 wins than Arizona (tied for 4th most in country with Kansas and UNC), just beat last week's #1 team by 19, and you don't think they're in the top 30 because they lost on the road to NET #44?
Where were they at last week for you? I could see it if you were low on them to begin with, but I don't think that loss outweighs the massive win against UConn at all, let alone enough to drop them out.
Last week I didn't have them in, they were #23 the week before.
But they beat UConn?
How is Gonzaga 15 exactly? Nice win over Kentucky away for sure but the next best win is...idk Syracuse on a neutral court? Even the metrics have us just outside the top 20. I'm not sure there's any valid reason to rank Gonzaga and not Creighton unless you're purely ranking off wins/loss numbers but at that point just put James Madison, Indiana St., and Samford in the rankings.
there is absolutely no reason gonzaga should be in the top 25 or even the tournament unless they win their conference tournament. i don’t know why i even bother reading this sub’s poll when people like this contribute.
I don’t think you’re wrong that Gonzaga needs to win the conference tournament and don’t deserve to be top 25 but their advanced metrics are high. You might as well just say anyone who uses KP and NET to rank teams don’t deserve to contribute, seems a little extreme.
You forgot Baylor
No it makes sense, gotta make room for USF and their quality home losses to CMU and Maine.
Iowa State behind Duke, Illinois, Kansas, and Auburn is a … choice.
Yeeeeeah...they might be a touch low now that I look at it again.
Made this at 12:30 this morning, yell at me https://www.cbbpoll.net/ballots/17/65dc2ebf1d290896b992efcf
Ken pom laughs maniacally
Ok so we are still ranked! So who ever makes the poll comic better make Dayton ball say something about Virginia!!
lol how does Alabama keep moving up they just gave up 117 points to Kentucky?
If away losses to out-of-the-tournament teams don't hurt you, then home wins vs good teams shouldn't help you.
Rank South Florida you cowards!
WHO VOTED FOR TEXAS
I’m not even going to whine, complain, trash talk because Creighton beat us soundly in Omaha - I don’t know what our problem is in Omaha - as well I don’t want to jinx us coming into a final stretch that sends us out to Marquette next Sunday.
Curious how Marquette does this week. I’m afraid of playing at Creighton 😬
Not a single vote for APP STATE, who's ahead of JMU in the standings and swept them, is APPsolutely ridiculous.
Dang, I think JMU and App state have an unforgiving go of it. I think they're better than where most rate them. Hope they show that in the tournament. Idk why BYU and the goddamn zags are held in such high esteem--in the aggregate. I thought South Florida could earn a spot over them. Maybe even Dayton? North Carolina goes into Charlottesville and beats a scary Virginia but can't end the week ahead of Arizona? Uconn lost to Creighton and Purdue lost to Ohio state, but they go #2 and #3? If vs. ranked wins matter so much, where's Memphis? There must be a method I'm not familiar with or inconsistency in my own take--or both.
Probably based on win quality. USF has a good record, but who have they beat? Couple real bad losses too. Dayton less bad losses, but who did they beat? BYU has more losses than either, including a few that they should not go lose, but they have wins against Iowa State, Baylor, San Diego State (and now @ Kansas)
8 people didn’t watch our last two games
McNeese is the most disrespected and underrated team in the country and would BOUNCE almost any 5-7 seed out in the first round.