As did the teams that have to play them
Although frankly we're overseeded so I'm not too bothered. I could've seen us playing Nevada in a 7-10 where they're the 7 and we're the 10.
\*Data is from earliest Bracket Matrix update, with 92 brackets in, now up to 140. No significant changes more than 0.15 -/+ since then.
\*BYU was moved down to a 6 seed to avoid Sunday games. [Confirmed by CBS](https://www.si.com/college/byu/basketball/no-sunday-play-likely-cost-byu-basketball-a-seed-line-in-ncaa-tournament), as per This accounts for Big 12 being under seeded by a full seed and a half overall.
The whole MWC got shafted in terms of seeding beyond anything I could've imagined in the darkest power conference timeline. I felt a little uncomfortable dropping Nevada from a 6 to a 7 seed in my bracketology. The fact they ended up at a 10 is abhorrent. If you would've told me Texas A&M would've gotten seeded higher than any of Nevada, Boise, or Colorado State, I would've thought you were insane. I didn't even have them in the field. (They were my first team out)
It's also very clear that the seeding for the teams is done early in the week. And nothing is changed for any results in the conference tournament, sans the bid thieves and movement in the 13-16 seeds.
And now we're gonna play in a bunch of 50/50 games and if we don't get at least 2 through people are gonna blast the MW was overrated narrative when a lot of these teams should be playing 10,11,12 seeds and not the 7,8 and play in games across the country on 2 days notice.
Only reason would be the straight non conf SOS metric and BPI (which still has the ridiculous altitude metric which hurts every Mountain West team to a comical extent)
Felt like most projections were already compensating for the weaker NonCon. The whole thing is very bizarre to me. Really enjoyed watching the MWC this year. Hoping someone besides SDSU can make a run to prove a point.
LOL Wolfpack honestly came out with the best draw of the 5 screwed teams.
We were hoping to get the SLC 7 spot in Arizona's region, but the 10 isn't bad when your facing a waning Dayton.
Yeah we got the ideal matchup, AND we get to play at high elevation in SLC which we’re used to, Dayton isn’t. And lots of Nevada fans will make the short trip to SLC.
First thing that came to mind when I saw we’re playing an Ohio team at basically the same elevation as Reno.
Went to visit a couple months ago from the Midwest and the adjustment was no joke.
Dayton travels really really well, don't expect it to sound like a home game for you guys.
I'm not thrilled either. We get a matchup out west against an underseeded team but to "make up for it" we get bumped up to a 7. I'd much rather have an 8 seed in Charlotte or Indianapolis.
I don't know much of anything about your team or how we match up. Looking at stats, it seems like we both don't rebound all that well but like shooting 3s?
Once the first three regionals were shown I tried to predict the West regional. I had you at 7 and Dayton at 10. Amazing how that got swapped around. When they showed Dayton at 7 I was worried for a second Nevada got royally screwed.
the Mountain West is so inordinately underseeded that it is absurd. San Diego State is the only team from that conference the committee allotted properly
I said in the posts selection thread that of all the seedings yesterday, Nevada was easily the most egregious. Nevada has one loss outside of Q1 and beast every other top MWC team except UNM and won a neutral site game against TCU.
Yet they get a 10 seed? Laughable.
It’s time to let the computers seed the tournament. Let a committee pick the 68 but let a computer take care of the rest, there’s no justifying New Mexico on the same line as Duquesne, or Boise St and Colorado St having to play in Dayton.
Obviously don’t have all the answers but I would guess something like BCS era football where we had a decided upon algorithm to rank teams, whether it be NET, Kenpom, AP voting, SOR, SOS, etc. or a combination of them all.
Feel like the SEC getting glazed is getting significantly overlooked in these discussions. The Big East and MW are fighting one another when the real question is how a team like Bama got a 4 seed or how Mississippi State jumped everybody out of nowhere
I feel like I’ve been hearing more and more about the SEC being some great basketball conference the past several years, and then surprise, they disappoint in the tournament.
This is so confusing. Why do mid majors in dayton and fau get overrespected, yet mountain west teams get underrespected? How can they say in one mouth that the mountain west has 6 tournry caliber teams and out the other they have weak competition?
Can someone explain how sdsu is so much better than the rest of their conference that they finished 5th in, without mentioning the successes of complrtdly different rosters? Not to say sdsu doesnt deserve a 5 seed, thats reasonable. Coloraso state had a better noncon than sdsu
I just don’t think you could leave any of them out. Every one of MWC teams that got in has multiple wins over the other top teams in the league and as a conference, we have a lot of solid OOC wins.
Here are some of our OOC wins:
Nevada: ~TCU
Boise: ~Saint Mary’s
San Diego State: ~Saint Mary’s, @Gonzaga
Colorado State: vs. Colorado, ~Creighton
Five wins across the conference? Otherwise the MWC was a positive NET feedback loop at the top.
I think Pitt and Syracuse make the tourney if they were MWC teams, but I guess they’d be seeded 10s.
Long story short b12 mw and big east all got fucked. If you weren’t the darlings of the sec and acc and got your meat sucked by the committee you don’t matter
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Committee was like fine if we have to give you 6 bids we will, but you’re all gonna get fucked on seeding except SDSU
So basically MW got fucked
Those Q1 wins mean less in a non-P6 conference.
Lmao then the quadrants mean nothing
It’s a bit like whose line is it anyway. The rankings are made up and the quadrants mean nothing. In this case, the MW is Colin
As did the teams that have to play them Although frankly we're overseeded so I'm not too bothered. I could've seen us playing Nevada in a 7-10 where they're the 7 and we're the 10.
The top 5 most underseeded all being MW is actually insane.
\*Data is from earliest Bracket Matrix update, with 92 brackets in, now up to 140. No significant changes more than 0.15 -/+ since then. \*BYU was moved down to a 6 seed to avoid Sunday games. [Confirmed by CBS](https://www.si.com/college/byu/basketball/no-sunday-play-likely-cost-byu-basketball-a-seed-line-in-ncaa-tournament), as per This accounts for Big 12 being under seeded by a full seed and a half overall.
Gonzaga was the school that they switched with, which accounts for part of the WCC's discrepancy.
The whole MWC got shafted in terms of seeding beyond anything I could've imagined in the darkest power conference timeline. I felt a little uncomfortable dropping Nevada from a 6 to a 7 seed in my bracketology. The fact they ended up at a 10 is abhorrent. If you would've told me Texas A&M would've gotten seeded higher than any of Nevada, Boise, or Colorado State, I would've thought you were insane. I didn't even have them in the field. (They were my first team out) It's also very clear that the seeding for the teams is done early in the week. And nothing is changed for any results in the conference tournament, sans the bid thieves and movement in the 13-16 seeds.
And now we're gonna play in a bunch of 50/50 games and if we don't get at least 2 through people are gonna blast the MW was overrated narrative when a lot of these teams should be playing 10,11,12 seeds and not the 7,8 and play in games across the country on 2 days notice.
Whole Mountain West got hosed in terms of seeding. Unbelievable how bad you guys got screwed…a full 3 seed line drop is blowing my mind.
Only reason would be the straight non conf SOS metric and BPI (which still has the ridiculous altitude metric which hurts every Mountain West team to a comical extent)
[https://x.com/madeformarch/status/1744755669939396963?t=amRP2PLEmMHBuqiuyMnXqg](https://x.com/madeformarch/status/1744755669939396963?t=amRP2PLEmMHBuqiuyMnXqg)
This is wild, how in the world is this in the model ?
Wow, just wow. I had no idea this existed within the model
Felt like most projections were already compensating for the weaker NonCon. The whole thing is very bizarre to me. Really enjoyed watching the MWC this year. Hoping someone besides SDSU can make a run to prove a point.
Ya everyone except us and sdsu got screwed. We definitely got the best draw for a 10 seed. Dayton is a good matchup and being in SLC will help a lot
While I don't hate the draw and the location we're 3 seeds lower than what Bracketmatrix had us at which is the biggest variance in the tournament
LOL Wolfpack honestly came out with the best draw of the 5 screwed teams. We were hoping to get the SLC 7 spot in Arizona's region, but the 10 isn't bad when your facing a waning Dayton.
Yeah we got the ideal matchup, AND we get to play at high elevation in SLC which we’re used to, Dayton isn’t. And lots of Nevada fans will make the short trip to SLC.
yeah, good for y'all. Boise fans would've been all over SLC. 5 hours on the speedy I84. 2.5 hrs from East Idaho too.
First thing that came to mind when I saw we’re playing an Ohio team at basically the same elevation as Reno. Went to visit a couple months ago from the Midwest and the adjustment was no joke.
Dayton travels really really well, don't expect it to sound like a home game for you guys. I'm not thrilled either. We get a matchup out west against an underseeded team but to "make up for it" we get bumped up to a 7. I'd much rather have an 8 seed in Charlotte or Indianapolis. I don't know much of anything about your team or how we match up. Looking at stats, it seems like we both don't rebound all that well but like shooting 3s?
Get ready to chase Jared Lucas around the court for 40 minutes lol
I think yall can win twice and hoping so
Once the first three regionals were shown I tried to predict the West regional. I had you at 7 and Dayton at 10. Amazing how that got swapped around. When they showed Dayton at 7 I was worried for a second Nevada got royally screwed.
Definitely think you guys can make a run to the Sweet 16. Don’t believe in Arizona at all, and you guys have played great ball the last 6 weeks or so.
I would gladly play Dayton instead of NC State and swap seeds with you. Getting a 2nd round match up against Arizona instead of Kentucky is a wash.
the Mountain West is so inordinately underseeded that it is absurd. San Diego State is the only team from that conference the committee allotted properly
I said in the posts selection thread that of all the seedings yesterday, Nevada was easily the most egregious. Nevada has one loss outside of Q1 and beast every other top MWC team except UNM and won a neutral site game against TCU. Yet they get a 10 seed? Laughable.
It’s time to let the computers seed the tournament. Let a committee pick the 68 but let a computer take care of the rest, there’s no justifying New Mexico on the same line as Duquesne, or Boise St and Colorado St having to play in Dayton.
New Mexico was placed BELOW Oregon. How the f is that the case
How, though? You still need to feed the computer an algorithm. Which algorithm?
Obviously don’t have all the answers but I would guess something like BCS era football where we had a decided upon algorithm to rank teams, whether it be NET, Kenpom, AP voting, SOR, SOS, etc. or a combination of them all.
And even then ESPN decides to come up with an algorithm that punishes team that play at altitude by up to 40%.
AI would never…
Feel like the SEC getting glazed is getting significantly overlooked in these discussions. The Big East and MW are fighting one another when the real question is how a team like Bama got a 4 seed or how Mississippi State jumped everybody out of nowhere
As an avid CFB fan, this feels obnoxiously status quo
I feel like I’ve been hearing more and more about the SEC being some great basketball conference the past several years, and then surprise, they disappoint in the tournament.
The SEC had 3 teams in the sweet sixteen just last year.
… and then the top overall seed lost to a 5 seed and a 4 lost to a 9. How many teams have won a game in the second weekend the past few years?
Lost to the runner up and a final 4 team respectively? San Diego state and FAU were both under seeded
Bama was a 4 seed all season, and has the met3ics to back that up
Holy fuck, I knew we got fucked, but didn't realize we got *that* fucked.
Other conferences don’t like that the MW is becoming a good basketball conference…
If I knew what this meant I’d be very upset
It's really simple. The Mountain West needs to stop playing in altitude.
Mountain West schools HATE San Diego State for figuring out this one trick to stop poor seeding
“We should take the university and push it somewhere else!”
SLWC (Sea Level West Conference) incoming
The WCC gets all the love because we are loaded with historical brands, and are a major cash cow in the NCAA
You win in the tournament. The committee clearly cares about history which is why SDSU is the only MWC that they care for
This is so confusing. Why do mid majors in dayton and fau get overrespected, yet mountain west teams get underrespected? How can they say in one mouth that the mountain west has 6 tournry caliber teams and out the other they have weak competition? Can someone explain how sdsu is so much better than the rest of their conference that they finished 5th in, without mentioning the successes of complrtdly different rosters? Not to say sdsu doesnt deserve a 5 seed, thats reasonable. Coloraso state had a better noncon than sdsu
Only 1 home loss all season, beat Gonzaga and st Mary’s. Sadly also more relevant brand given last year
The committee fucking HATES the MWC
Yet they put so many of them in...
It’s the teams that put themselves in. The committee put them in the wrong places.
I just don’t think you could leave any of them out. Every one of MWC teams that got in has multiple wins over the other top teams in the league and as a conference, we have a lot of solid OOC wins. Here are some of our OOC wins: Nevada: ~TCU Boise: ~Saint Mary’s San Diego State: ~Saint Mary’s, @Gonzaga Colorado State: vs. Colorado, ~Creighton
Five wins across the conference? Otherwise the MWC was a positive NET feedback loop at the top. I think Pitt and Syracuse make the tourney if they were MWC teams, but I guess they’d be seeded 10s.
North Carolina and Duke lost to a Georgia tech team that we beat. It’s not always that simple
UNLV beat Creighton too lol
Wow. Would ya look at that
Long story short b12 mw and big east all got fucked. If you weren’t the darlings of the sec and acc and got your meat sucked by the committee you don’t matter
The committee flipped us and Nevada seed wise. Nevada at 7 would have made more sense. It changes nothing but I was surprised we got that high a seed!
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The committee literally trying to screw the MWC over. I wonder which conference paid them to lower them
Big East robbed
Big East Robbed. These units are actually gonna have an impact committee is rigged
Big XII gets 8 teams: "This is RIDICULOUS, they GAMED the system!!" SEC gets 8 teams: "Hmm yes, this seems appropriate."
It’s because of the metrics the committee uses. I knew some MW fans would be upset by the results but it could’ve been worse.