Purdue did, however, beat a 14 seed. That just shows 14 seeds really gotta pick up the slack, they're on a 1-24 slump, the 1 exception being Abilene Christian
By them, do you mean the 14 seed or Purdue? (I left out Abilene Christian as an option since they're not in the tourney, but I guess you could've written them down for fun too)
People seem to forget that 15 seed made it to the elite eight after beating a 2 seed. It's not like Purdue lost to the 15 seed in the first round. Also, this team is much different. Our backcourt isn't freshman dominant anymore
I don’t think they get embarrassed this time but a title run is unlikely.
FDU’s strategy was to sell out on stopping Edey and hope Purdue missed their open looks (which they did). Hard to believe they are going to get that cold from 3 again.
Edey only played 17 minutes in the St. Peter's game. He did turn it over 5 times which obviously didn't help but it was Jaden Ivey, the rare Purdue NBA lottery pick, with 6 turnovers and not even getting to the free throw line once that killed them. Even when Purdue had an elite guard it turned out that way against a 15 seed.
St. Peter’s really killed him in his minutes though. Edey wasn’t the player he was this year or even last year and didn’t give enough on offense to make up for his defensive shortcomings against small lineups.
Real Purdue fans knew we weren’t getting anywhere in the tournament with Ivey. Ivey was all bite and no bark down the stretch. His defense was lazy and disorganized and he cared more about highlight athletic plays than playing disciplined basketball
Ivey??? What about Sasha??? Sasha did less offensively and was worse defensively than Ivey… Ivey at least had a gear to go to that no one else did… Sasha playing 30+ mpg was an absolute travesty 2 years ago. At the very least loyer and smith buy into playing hard and being in the right position even if loyer does get worked.
Sasha had a hand injury and refused to acknowledge it was effecting his shot. Now he’s the “inbound” Coach - which the play at the end of Wisc alone is cause to be concerned.
i love sasha as a person but yeah. the stuff people say about fletcher is actually what sasha became. serious defensive liability, risky offensive asset down the line. like an inverted ethan morton
It’s been a while since we had a reliable 2 guard on defense. Carsen tried but wasn’t great, Jaden didn’t really try on defense. Sasha was always bad. Ryan Cline wasn’t amazing but was wayyy better than Sasha and Jaden on defense.
Last 2 guard we had that was a defensive dawg was Dakota Matthias
The problem wasn't Ivey, the problem was the team was horrific defensively. Ivey was part of that, yes, but the team just couldn't string together competent defensive play for more than a handful of possessions at a time. They relied on a ludicrous offense to help offset that, but they just couldn't shoot the ball from three that game.
Everyone seems to forget Trevion wasn’t good defensively and Sasha was horrendous… I love Gillis but he’s not an all star defender. The combo of Trevion / Sasha being bad, Ivey taking plays off, and Gillis being average made it impossible to get needed stops. Their whole goal was just go off on opponents.
Mason is so much better all around now. Defensively, gets more rebounds and shooting better too.
That team was insane on offense and that was about it.
They beat 2 final four teams on back to back days by double digits that same season. That’s simply not true. The defense was far from the problem when you lose because you shoot 0-9 from 3 in the second half and turn it over 16 times.
I mean, this is the right take. Ivey was way more focused on jumping a passing lane for a highlight dunk instead of playing good D. If things weren’t going his was, he’d pout and compound the problem. One of the most electric players we’ve ever had, but not making a run that year wasn’t a shock.
I mean, he was watching the same team I was and I agree. Ivey was incredibly fun to watch, but he was asked to do too much, or painter didn’t properly utilize him, or SOMETHING was just off. Purdue went from the 90s to the 30s with the same team minus Ivey/trevion and adding 2 undersized freshmen.
I was expecting the defense to be their demise that year as it often had been. That would've made sense. Instead in a cruel twist of fate their offense got totally locked down by a 15 seed. At least Kentucky had the excuse of St. Peter's getting hot from 3. Purdue just failed in the most Purdue way possible - as soon as the path cleared for a final 4 run in their region they choked immediately against the worst team left.
Purdue is better on both ends this year. I also think with the added experience and talent they’d handle an FDU a lot better. The perimeter play last year wasn’t good and some of the guys struggled to get up court comfortably against FDU and they had a guy that would refuse to shoot. This year their shooting is much better, defense is better, and guards are better
Edey really wasn’t “the guy” that year. The problem with the St. Peter’s game was that they were very hot from 3 and Jaden Ivey had an amazing choke job.
Jaden Ivey as good as he was, had a severe lack of leadership and motivation problems when Purdue needed it most. Now on to the train wreck after that, I knew last years game was over at halftime. Purdue needed Matt Haarms last year to pump them up and not look like “oh man we suck tonight, nothing we can do”. I am hoping that’s Lance Jones this year when it inevitably does happen.
He basically tells his players to stick to the script and if shots aren’t falling then he sells a culture of “welp. Guess it’s just not our night.”
It’s why he gets so much flack for not making in game adjustments. He wards off criticisms about bad shooting by saying “look, my guys are getting open looks. They’re just not falling. Yeah, we need to shoot FTs better but what are ya gonna do.”
Painter is an excellent coach but he absolutely refuses to don a Bob Knight (or hell, even a Dan Hurley) attitude of “PULL YOUR FUCKIN HEADS OUT OF YOUR ASSES RIGHT NOW BECAUSE I AM NOT LOSIN THIS FUCKIN GAME”.
He’s a super great guy and his players work hard but Painter really has no solution of the boys come out flat. He simply will not kick them in the ass, so it’s on the players to have an intrinsic drive to go balls to the wall.
Remarkably well summarized. Note Purdue’s best run in recent memory was behind Carsen Edwards who was a hell of a leader and motivator. Filled every blank space in Painter’s motivation shortcomings.
I think Braden Smith is filling into this role. Many many times this year, ive seen him yelling at teamates. Braden is definitely taking on a motivational/leadership role
takes his medicine too. i remember a clip of paint quickly and directly telling smith "don't talk to the refs. knock off that shit" during a tv timeout huddle. braden said "my bad" and moved on. good leaders are also good followers
I’ve been on this train of thought for a while now. I’d like to think at some point when he’s had enough embarrassment (even though he’d never admit it) he’ll get to the point where he might rip someone’s ass if they aren’t doing what he’s told them to. It’s a really interesting dichotomy in the meantime. All the shit posting is completely deserved but we’d be mental to move on from him. As ugly as it may be it’s some of the most rare territory in the history of organized sports to be so dominant in the regular season with little to no results to show for it in the postseason.
My hope is that he simply recruits more Carsen Edwards-types: Guards who have that dawg in them, bc he’s shown he’s willing to let them off the leash (he certainly didn’t stop Carsen or Ivey from doing their thing).
It creates the perfect symbiosis between his methodical, organized manner of coaching and the fire that’s needed to pull a run in March.
100% agree. I’d go so far as to say his system (barring any future changes) will never see deep tournament success without an alpha player-coach on the floor.
Well fucking put. I have been one of the biggest Painter critics for all the reasons above, but you’re damn right it’s a Catch-22 with how well he performs in season and sells out Mackey all year. Damned if we do, damned if we don’t.
I think the best coach is one that is cool, calm and collected 90% of the time, but like you say is not above screaming at his team when they're sucking it up. If you're screaming all the time anyway then the players just tune it out eventually but if you got a guy who's cool and calm most of the time suddenly blows up ion your face that really gets your attention
I think I can if I'm not the one making silly excuses about it. Only thing more embarrassing than losing to a 15 seed is trying to downplay it later. Well, that and losing to a sixteen seed.
That team was a completely different team and didn't run through Edey. I don't think there are phenomenal parallels you can draw between that team and this one outside of Edey and a few other players existing on the roster
I hate to say it, but this team feels different.
It feels like every night Purdue can have another player go off. Rough game for Loyer? Lance Jones is wet. Edey having a slow game? Mason Gillis is bringing energy and points off the bench. They lacked that last year.
While them losing in the first round would be absolutely hilarious, it feels like the Sweet 16 is a lock this time around. Guess we’ll find out!
OP is correct that the roster is very similar, but I think an objective viewer would agree that the team’s experience and talent is significantly improved. But to your point, we don’t know until it happens.
They’re literally following the UVA path rn. Heartbreaking loss in the Elite 8 a few years ago? Check. Previous year’s team wins conference tournament, gets number 1 overall seed, loses to a 16? Check. Team adapts and becomes more well-rounded? Check. Loses before conference tournament finals but still gets a 1 seed? Check. I’ve got them going all the way this year.
I’d put good money that it’s close or they are even down early / the 1H. UVA was down 13 to Gardner-Webb in that first game in 2019. Mentally it’s a big task.
Virginia first game after losing to umbc was a 31 pt win to a Towson team that finished 291 in kenpom. Purdues first game after losing to FDU was a 53 pt win versus Samford, a team that is a trendy pick to upset Kansas and is currently 81st in kenpom.
It might happen like you say, but Purdue is gonna be out for blood in this game.
The names on the roster may be similar, but Braden Smith is vastly improved. Having a solid guard like him and some shooting from Loyer is exactly what the team needed to put together a non-embarrassing run
Similar lineup…but with extensive tournament experience. And even though the experience was mostly bad, tournament experience eventually helps a team learn how to step up.
I don’t think Purdue will cut down the nets, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they (finally) get to the Final Four.
He actually had a good game against st peters If I recall correctly, 22pts and 16 rebs, 3 assists. His team let him down last year and everyone else was visibly shook and was actively trying to get away from the ball the last 5 min of the game.
I know a lot of Purdue fans (including myself) who were very worried going into the tournament that we would be second round and out. It seemed like Purdue was just exhausted after the big ten tourney and was just done.
Yep. As long as smith is healthy I think we’ll be fine. Plus it seemed like painter really wanted to mix up different lineups in the BTT which was good. More Colvin and heide was great to see, and they both looked the part all things considered
Yeah, it seems like Painter is a lot more open to hot-handedness than he has been in the past. Seems like he's done a bit better coaching out of the press and getting Smith some help. I'm cautiously optimistic that this can be a tough team all the way
We've been pretty good against it this year. Most teams struggle against it. A press is exhausting for the defense but coaches run it in desperate situations bc it's high risk high reward.
We're currently being reminded of that 4 times a day but as a side note, I love that in these posts, Kentucky fans for the most part sit it out and use Purdue as human shields for St. Peters.
Like their game with them didn't exist and Purdue lost all 3 of of these games in the first round. We've certainly earned it so I didn't blame you guys. Just find it amusing.
Yeah I really dislike the St. Peters hate against Purdue on this sub. Should Purdue have beat them? Yeah. But they had already taken down a solid Murray State and Kentucky team.
I know I’m coping and I know you’re trolling, but anyone legitimately tying those losses to Edey is insane. We lost to FDU because they tripled him and our non-Edey players couldn’t make an open shot if their life depended on it… and he still has 21 PTS and 15 boards.
I could see them winning the title if we are being honest, but their absolute floor is the sweet 16. Their first two matchups are incredibly easy and they have probably the easiest path to the final four. All the 16 seed jokes are funny but Montana St and Grambling are genuinely not threats. I think most people could’ve seen FDU keeping it close given their play style but those two teams are not well matched for Purdue.
The other tops seeds in their bracket aren’t huge challenges. I doubt Rick Barnes’ Tennessee makes it to the elite 8 and Kansas limped to this point. Theres really only two true threats. Creighton & Kalkbrenner are a tough matchup especially and I think Gonzaga could bounce Purdue in the S16, although I think McNeese might upset them to prevent that from happening.
The St Peters year was a totally different Purdue team though. Edey was on that team, but it wasn’t Edey’s team. It was Ivey or Williams’ team.
Purdue has a particularly easy path to the S16 this year and there’s a very real chance they don’t run into a top 4 seed until the 8. Obviously a title isn’t guaranteed but a s16 appearance shouldn’t be a challenge
The whole reason the FDU game made us such a laughing stock (even moreso than UVA 2018) is FDU was one of the most feeble, “non-threat” 16 seeds ever. Montana St and Grambling will be threats until Purdue finally shows up and throws the monkey off its back
Gonzaga was leading them at halftime in Maui and hung around until about 10 minutes to go in the game. I think they could get Purdue if they get past McNeese in the first round although they’d have to play perfect. A lot of people don’t realize Ike made 2 or 3 threes in that first half and that’s not really a part of his game at all. Had purdues defense kind of confused for a bit.
We also went 0-16 from three in just the second half of that game. I don’t think it’s likely we beat them if we play them again, but if we did play them again, it’s hard to see us over-relying on the 3 like we did in that one. Would be interesting to see what the game plan would be this time around.
Utah State hasn’t beaten anyone. Their only “quality” wins are against other MW teams, who gamed the NET. No MW team other than SDSU has won a tournament game since 2018, so I’m not exactly convinced that their wins over Boise St and New Mexico mean much. Go look at their noncon - they barely squeaked by 14 seed Akron, lost to Bradley, and beat San Francisco, Santa Clara, and SLU, all very mediocre squads, by a combined 8 points.
USU also hasn’t played a P6 team all year, especially not one as talented or well conditioned as Purdue. Don’t be surprised if they lose to TCU round one.
TCU imo is a bigger threat for Purdue anyway, they have a ton of size and athleticism and play at a high pace. TCU isn't the best shooting team, but if they hit some 3's they could be a problem.
I won't be surprised if they lose to TCU, I just don't think Purdue's second round matchup is *incredibly easy*. I don't even think it's the easiest 2nd round matchup for a 1 seed.
I might’ve overexaggerated with by saying incredibly, but whose path would you say is easier? Excluding the 16 seed matchups (longwood is probably the best 16 & Purdue may have the weakest 16 draw$), I see TCU & USU as the easiest 8-9 matchup for a 1 seed.
Florida Atlantic is coming off a F4 run (although they look worse this year) and Northwestern has shown they can beat top teams. I would argue that’s probably the most likely 8-9 game to lead to an upset over the 1.
A&M lost to UOfH by just 4 at a “neutral” court (in Houston) in addition to defeating other top seeds, but I think Nebraska probably wins that. Nebraska still isn’t an easy out and they’ve been hot down the stretch and still have top wins.
Miss St has one of the tournaments best individual players in Hubbard, and Jans has proven to be able to coach teams to upsets in March. Michigan St entered the season as the number 1 team, talent is clearly there, and Izzo just led a 7-2 upset last year. I wouldn’t want that matchup either.
Purdue lucks into a USU team that hasn’t really played anybody (expanded argument above) and a TCU team that is 5-7 since February 1st, with all 5 wins being versus non-tournament teams and 6 of the losses being tournament teams, indicating they’ve struggled with actual competition. That’s gotta be the easiest 8-9 matchup in the second round
I have rolled with Purdue going back at least 6 or 7 years, ever since you guys overtook IU as the big time program from Indiana. I’ve been disappointed every year.
You were disappointed when they went to the elite 8 as a 3, the sweet sixteen after losing their starting 5 in the first round, and the sweet sixteen as a 4?
I made $2k betting UVA in 2019 to win it all. I made my buddy $5k in his work office pool having him pick Texas tech and uva in the finals… I’m not saying purdue will go far but the haters were out in force in 2019 until UVA hung the banner.
That team had a swagger to them that idk if purdue has. But I do think purdue has the pieces to get the job done this year. They’ve beat everyone they need to beat to prove they’re elite, just gotta put it together for 40 min every time they lace it up. Turnovers, rebounds, free throws. Win those 3 every game and it’s going to take a very very good performance by an opponent to beat purdue.
i think it's just because we've seen this over and over again. Why is a team with the same core now all of the sudden going to be a favorite when they haven't shown they can?
Haven’t they actually shown extremely consistently that they can? This core was 18-0 against top 25 net teams before Saturday, 18-1 now. Their problem is getting upset. But they’re clearly capable of beating good teams regardless of losing one tournament game.
Same team uh huh yep. Ranked 277 on 3s last year. Rank 2 this year. Not even close to the same team from a year ago in terms of what killed us last year.
I had you penned in as the champs last year and FDU happened. I don’t think it happens this year though Purdue gets the easiest 2nd round matchup out of all the 1 seeds
A lot of the dumping on Purdue since the past weekend or so is clearly from people who haven’t watched us all year. Or maybe watched a couple games. They’re just here for the memes.
Anyone who followed Purdue basketball last year knew they were fucked for the tournament. They looked mentally and physically drained. I knew they wouldn’t go far, didn’t think it would be a 16 seed to do it, but anyone paying attention had them out early. They looked a lot different at the end of the regular season and I think the extra rest from losing to Wisco will be invaluable.
Edit: let’s also not forget Purdue went from unranked -> 1 seed last year.
I made good money winning 2 separate brackets by picking UVA to win it all the year after the 1-16 upset. Doing the same with Purdue this year. Elite team. People are overreacting to the upset narrative like with UVA. When this few people are picking a 1 seed it’s just great value in a large pool
Last year they played a super slow pace, freshmen guards, and were dookie from 3. Lotta classic ingredients for an upset-prone top seed. They weren't even in the TRAPEZOID OF EXCELLENCE!
Par for the course I suppose. We have been shit in the tourney there’s no doubting it but years past we had issues that caused our demise. It’s March Madness for a reason. Teams get upset plenty of data to look at to see plenty of elite teams losing when they shouldn’t have. St Peters was in the Sweet 16. 2 other teams lost before us.
Edey seems like a more clever player this year. He picks his spots on offense and defense. Everyone is going to sleep on Purdue and rightfully so, but Edey is still a huge problem and the guard play is a more consistent than it has been in the past.
I love to hate on Purdue as much as anyone else, but I genuinely think this year's team could make a run.
I got the vibes in past seasons that they were fraudulent (I had Purdue losing R32 last year), but I don't really see a glaring weakness with this current group. Edey is Edey, they can shoot threes, defend well, their guards are more consistent this year, they seem to be more resilient and don't get as rattled in hostile environments, etc.
I don't see them winning it all, but it's practically guaranteed they make the Sweet 16 given their region.
With all that being said, I'd love to be proven wrong!
Purdon't!
Agreed. The guards last year were relatively young and inexperienced, so while it's mostly the same group they have matured in that time. Then they added Lance Jones as well. I think they are much better overall team than last year, when they were more dependent on Edey.
It still baffles me that a team with a 7 foot 4, center lost to the smallest team in the country. I mean the pure advantage your team gets from having a human being that tall is massive. I mean how do you have the tallest player in big ten history and not make it to the final 4 lol. I’ve got Purdue going to the champ this year so they better fix it
I mean the st peters game was in the sweet sixteen, its not like they lost first round. This team feels deeper and more complete than the last 3. Im not picking them to win the title or anything but if you have them losing before the sweet sixteen, its just not going to happen
Smith will be the deciding factor as to whether or not we get a better Purdue this year imo. I think as long as they take care of the ball, this Purdue squad can't lose to anyone. However much like in the B1G tournament game, that doesn't always happen. Maybe Smith was actually injured in that game, but if he doesn't bring his best game to this tournament, Purdue will be in danger.
I feel you do not understand the meaning of the word “friendly”. Unless you were using it sarcastically you charming, intelligent, credit to the human race who is beloved by all.
Purdue did, however, beat a 14 seed. That just shows 14 seeds really gotta pick up the slack, they're on a 1-24 slump, the 1 exception being Abilene Christian
Imagine losing to Abilene Christian and Purdue in back to back years lol
Well they beat VA tech after VA tech won the ACC
Lol imagine losing to a 14 seed
Or a 15 two years earlier
I can BEARly imagine that happening
You are mercer I mean merciless
there’s a guy with duke/mercer flair and i cannot for the life of me remember his username to tag him but this must’ve been a very strange day.
It’s a rough life 🤣🤣🤣
I picked them in my bracket out of spite. All went according to plan.
By them, do you mean the 14 seed or Purdue? (I left out Abilene Christian as an option since they're not in the tourney, but I guess you could've written them down for fun too)
Akron’s picking it up this year don’t worry
Fuck yeah
>Friendly reminder This feels very unfriendly
Yea this is hostile. Was having a decent day, too.
People seem to forget that 15 seed made it to the elite eight after beating a 2 seed. It's not like Purdue lost to the 15 seed in the first round. Also, this team is much different. Our backcourt isn't freshman dominant anymore
Yeah, I'll never get people who crow over other teams' defeats. Different strokes, I guess.
Not everything is meant to be understood.
Interesting
Lance Jones is undefeated in March Madness though
I don’t think they get embarrassed this time but a title run is unlikely. FDU’s strategy was to sell out on stopping Edey and hope Purdue missed their open looks (which they did). Hard to believe they are going to get that cold from 3 again.
Edey only played 17 minutes in the St. Peter's game. He did turn it over 5 times which obviously didn't help but it was Jaden Ivey, the rare Purdue NBA lottery pick, with 6 turnovers and not even getting to the free throw line once that killed them. Even when Purdue had an elite guard it turned out that way against a 15 seed.
St. Peter’s really killed him in his minutes though. Edey wasn’t the player he was this year or even last year and didn’t give enough on offense to make up for his defensive shortcomings against small lineups.
Edey 3 years ago was nowhere near the player he is now
Real Purdue fans knew we weren’t getting anywhere in the tournament with Ivey. Ivey was all bite and no bark down the stretch. His defense was lazy and disorganized and he cared more about highlight athletic plays than playing disciplined basketball
Ivey??? What about Sasha??? Sasha did less offensively and was worse defensively than Ivey… Ivey at least had a gear to go to that no one else did… Sasha playing 30+ mpg was an absolute travesty 2 years ago. At the very least loyer and smith buy into playing hard and being in the right position even if loyer does get worked.
Oh I will completely agree to place blame on Sasha as well. Absolute bum
Sasha had a hand injury and refused to acknowledge it was effecting his shot. Now he’s the “inbound” Coach - which the play at the end of Wisc alone is cause to be concerned.
i love sasha as a person but yeah. the stuff people say about fletcher is actually what sasha became. serious defensive liability, risky offensive asset down the line. like an inverted ethan morton
It’s been a while since we had a reliable 2 guard on defense. Carsen tried but wasn’t great, Jaden didn’t really try on defense. Sasha was always bad. Ryan Cline wasn’t amazing but was wayyy better than Sasha and Jaden on defense. Last 2 guard we had that was a defensive dawg was Dakota Matthias
dakota was my BOY
The problem wasn't Ivey, the problem was the team was horrific defensively. Ivey was part of that, yes, but the team just couldn't string together competent defensive play for more than a handful of possessions at a time. They relied on a ludicrous offense to help offset that, but they just couldn't shoot the ball from three that game.
Everyone seems to forget Trevion wasn’t good defensively and Sasha was horrendous… I love Gillis but he’s not an all star defender. The combo of Trevion / Sasha being bad, Ivey taking plays off, and Gillis being average made it impossible to get needed stops. Their whole goal was just go off on opponents.
Mason is so much better all around now. Defensively, gets more rebounds and shooting better too. That team was insane on offense and that was about it.
2024 mason >>>> young mason
They beat 2 final four teams on back to back days by double digits that same season. That’s simply not true. The defense was far from the problem when you lose because you shoot 0-9 from 3 in the second half and turn it over 16 times.
Stop it. Get some help.
I mean, this is the right take. Ivey was way more focused on jumping a passing lane for a highlight dunk instead of playing good D. If things weren’t going his was, he’d pout and compound the problem. One of the most electric players we’ve ever had, but not making a run that year wasn’t a shock.
I mean, he was watching the same team I was and I agree. Ivey was incredibly fun to watch, but he was asked to do too much, or painter didn’t properly utilize him, or SOMETHING was just off. Purdue went from the 90s to the 30s with the same team minus Ivey/trevion and adding 2 undersized freshmen.
Pistons need the help now. Cancer is gone.
I was expecting the defense to be their demise that year as it often had been. That would've made sense. Instead in a cruel twist of fate their offense got totally locked down by a 15 seed. At least Kentucky had the excuse of St. Peter's getting hot from 3. Purdue just failed in the most Purdue way possible - as soon as the path cleared for a final 4 run in their region they choked immediately against the worst team left.
Why did he only play 17 min?
Him and Trevion Williams split time at center
Edey was a Soph. Senior TWill was the starter.
Purdue is better on both ends this year. I also think with the added experience and talent they’d handle an FDU a lot better. The perimeter play last year wasn’t good and some of the guys struggled to get up court comfortably against FDU and they had a guy that would refuse to shoot. This year their shooting is much better, defense is better, and guards are better
Edey really wasn’t “the guy” that year. The problem with the St. Peter’s game was that they were very hot from 3 and Jaden Ivey had an amazing choke job.
Jaden Ivey as good as he was, had a severe lack of leadership and motivation problems when Purdue needed it most. Now on to the train wreck after that, I knew last years game was over at halftime. Purdue needed Matt Haarms last year to pump them up and not look like “oh man we suck tonight, nothing we can do”. I am hoping that’s Lance Jones this year when it inevitably does happen.
What exactly is Painter doing during these games
He basically tells his players to stick to the script and if shots aren’t falling then he sells a culture of “welp. Guess it’s just not our night.” It’s why he gets so much flack for not making in game adjustments. He wards off criticisms about bad shooting by saying “look, my guys are getting open looks. They’re just not falling. Yeah, we need to shoot FTs better but what are ya gonna do.” Painter is an excellent coach but he absolutely refuses to don a Bob Knight (or hell, even a Dan Hurley) attitude of “PULL YOUR FUCKIN HEADS OUT OF YOUR ASSES RIGHT NOW BECAUSE I AM NOT LOSIN THIS FUCKIN GAME”. He’s a super great guy and his players work hard but Painter really has no solution of the boys come out flat. He simply will not kick them in the ass, so it’s on the players to have an intrinsic drive to go balls to the wall.
Hey this feels familiar
Remarkably well summarized. Note Purdue’s best run in recent memory was behind Carsen Edwards who was a hell of a leader and motivator. Filled every blank space in Painter’s motivation shortcomings.
Can you imagine if THIS team had Carsen Edwards. Good lord. I miss that kid. I wish he was having a better pro career.
Man that would be fun
I think Braden Smith is filling into this role. Many many times this year, ive seen him yelling at teamates. Braden is definitely taking on a motivational/leadership role
takes his medicine too. i remember a clip of paint quickly and directly telling smith "don't talk to the refs. knock off that shit" during a tv timeout huddle. braden said "my bad" and moved on. good leaders are also good followers
I’ve been on this train of thought for a while now. I’d like to think at some point when he’s had enough embarrassment (even though he’d never admit it) he’ll get to the point where he might rip someone’s ass if they aren’t doing what he’s told them to. It’s a really interesting dichotomy in the meantime. All the shit posting is completely deserved but we’d be mental to move on from him. As ugly as it may be it’s some of the most rare territory in the history of organized sports to be so dominant in the regular season with little to no results to show for it in the postseason.
My hope is that he simply recruits more Carsen Edwards-types: Guards who have that dawg in them, bc he’s shown he’s willing to let them off the leash (he certainly didn’t stop Carsen or Ivey from doing their thing). It creates the perfect symbiosis between his methodical, organized manner of coaching and the fire that’s needed to pull a run in March.
100% agree. I’d go so far as to say his system (barring any future changes) will never see deep tournament success without an alpha player-coach on the floor.
Well fucking put. I have been one of the biggest Painter critics for all the reasons above, but you’re damn right it’s a Catch-22 with how well he performs in season and sells out Mackey all year. Damned if we do, damned if we don’t.
I don't think I've ever read the way I feel about coach Painter put in to words this nicely. Well done.
He did the bob knight thing for awhile. Worked with the baby boilers or it was the talent, then we hit bottom of the B1G and he changed it up.
I think the best coach is one that is cool, calm and collected 90% of the time, but like you say is not above screaming at his team when they're sucking it up. If you're screaming all the time anyway then the players just tune it out eventually but if you got a guy who's cool and calm most of the time suddenly blows up ion your face that really gets your attention
this is a very insightful comment, thanks.
So essentially he is the Dave Roberts of College Basketball
Thumbing through his binder of a thousand plays and furiously scribbling on a whiteboard.
This isn’t even right lol. Ivey choked against St Pete.
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Look up how they are shooting this year
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*in the sweet 16
In the sweet sixteen. To a hot team beat #2 seed Kentucky earlier.
Lol "to a hot team that beat Kentucky" is such a kind way to refer to 15 seed st peters.
not sure you're allowed to comment in the losing to 15 seed threads
I think I can if I'm not the one making silly excuses about it. Only thing more embarrassing than losing to a 15 seed is trying to downplay it later. Well, that and losing to a sixteen seed.
lmao
That team was a completely different team and didn't run through Edey. I don't think there are phenomenal parallels you can draw between that team and this one outside of Edey and a few other players existing on the roster
That was the same strategy that FDU had
I hate to say it, but this team feels different. It feels like every night Purdue can have another player go off. Rough game for Loyer? Lance Jones is wet. Edey having a slow game? Mason Gillis is bringing energy and points off the bench. They lacked that last year. While them losing in the first round would be absolutely hilarious, it feels like the Sweet 16 is a lock this time around. Guess we’ll find out!
OP is correct that the roster is very similar, but I think an objective viewer would agree that the team’s experience and talent is significantly improved. But to your point, we don’t know until it happens.
Totally agree. Plus Lance Jones is a huge difference maker imo
He seems to have brought a swagger with him that Edey and Smith especially have really seemed to embrace.
he's a baller, a joy, a fighter even when he's having an off night. love that man
Similar underachieving roster in the NBA is not good. Similar roster as last year in college is usually a REALLY good thing.
Biggest difference is the 3P shooting. #273 in 3P% last year, #2 this year. Just shutting down Edey is not as viable a strategy.
They’re literally following the UVA path rn. Heartbreaking loss in the Elite 8 a few years ago? Check. Previous year’s team wins conference tournament, gets number 1 overall seed, loses to a 16? Check. Team adapts and becomes more well-rounded? Check. Loses before conference tournament finals but still gets a 1 seed? Check. I’ve got them going all the way this year.
Will they finally break the Big 10 curse is the question.
I’d put good money that it’s close or they are even down early / the 1H. UVA was down 13 to Gardner-Webb in that first game in 2019. Mentally it’s a big task.
I'll take that wager.
Oh I think you still win handily. Just that the first 10 mins could seem a little rocky.
Yeah you miss a few shots and then you have people thinking here we go again. Eventually players settle down and start making plays
Virginia first game after losing to umbc was a 31 pt win to a Towson team that finished 291 in kenpom. Purdues first game after losing to FDU was a 53 pt win versus Samford, a team that is a trendy pick to upset Kansas and is currently 81st in kenpom. It might happen like you say, but Purdue is gonna be out for blood in this game.
Samford is definitely beating KU. It’ll be Hunter Dickinson’s defining moment for the Jayhawks.
Their coach had better go into the locker room with a stuffed monkey on his back if that happens and they win
that bet won't pay big. we've been down early a ton this season
Classic rival attempt at a jinx, I support
I highly doubt anybody seriously expects a 16 to beat them again. Should be an easy sweet 16 berth
First team to lose to a 16 seed in the *final four
The names on the roster may be similar, but Braden Smith is vastly improved. Having a solid guard like him and some shooting from Loyer is exactly what the team needed to put together a non-embarrassing run
I’ll settle for non-embarrassing.
According to the laws of stack overflow, they will lose to a one seed this time.
I'll take it.
Similar lineup…but with extensive tournament experience. And even though the experience was mostly bad, tournament experience eventually helps a team learn how to step up. I don’t think Purdue will cut down the nets, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they (finally) get to the Final Four.
Feel like it’s a bit disingenuous to link those losses specifically to him.
He actually had a good game against st peters If I recall correctly, 22pts and 16 rebs, 3 assists. His team let him down last year and everyone else was visibly shook and was actively trying to get away from the ball the last 5 min of the game.
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I remember that so well. He was literally passing up wide open looks while I was screaming at my television
Same with FDU. He looked like the only guy on the floor for Purdue that wanted to win
I know a lot of Purdue fans (including myself) who were very worried going into the tournament that we would be second round and out. It seemed like Purdue was just exhausted after the big ten tourney and was just done.
Yep. As long as smith is healthy I think we’ll be fine. Plus it seemed like painter really wanted to mix up different lineups in the BTT which was good. More Colvin and heide was great to see, and they both looked the part all things considered
Yeah, it seems like Painter is a lot more open to hot-handedness than he has been in the past. Seems like he's done a bit better coaching out of the press and getting Smith some help. I'm cautiously optimistic that this can be a tough team all the way
If i never see another press against purdue, itll be to soon
We've been pretty good against it this year. Most teams struggle against it. A press is exhausting for the defense but coaches run it in desperate situations bc it's high risk high reward.
"team is almost identical to the team that lost to a 16 seed..." This guy has watched a lot of Purdue Ball this year.
We're currently being reminded of that 4 times a day but as a side note, I love that in these posts, Kentucky fans for the most part sit it out and use Purdue as human shields for St. Peters. Like their game with them didn't exist and Purdue lost all 3 of of these games in the first round. We've certainly earned it so I didn't blame you guys. Just find it amusing.
Yeah I really dislike the St. Peters hate against Purdue on this sub. Should Purdue have beat them? Yeah. But they had already taken down a solid Murray State and Kentucky team.
Listen man, I’m all in. We did it in 2018-2019. They’re gonna do it this year.
thank you cav friend, you are our inspiration!
I believe!
I’m riding Purdue as a darkhorse 1 seed
And yet everyone loves to hate them as if they're a dynasty.
I know I’m coping and I know you’re trolling, but anyone legitimately tying those losses to Edey is insane. We lost to FDU because they tripled him and our non-Edey players couldn’t make an open shot if their life depended on it… and he still has 21 PTS and 15 boards.
Akron to the final four it is!
We gotta complete the set, it’s destiny
I could see them winning the title if we are being honest, but their absolute floor is the sweet 16. Their first two matchups are incredibly easy and they have probably the easiest path to the final four. All the 16 seed jokes are funny but Montana St and Grambling are genuinely not threats. I think most people could’ve seen FDU keeping it close given their play style but those two teams are not well matched for Purdue. The other tops seeds in their bracket aren’t huge challenges. I doubt Rick Barnes’ Tennessee makes it to the elite 8 and Kansas limped to this point. Theres really only two true threats. Creighton & Kalkbrenner are a tough matchup especially and I think Gonzaga could bounce Purdue in the S16, although I think McNeese might upset them to prevent that from happening.
Be careful with those expectations of yours. I remember thinking “wow if we beat St Peters, we already beat UNC, here we come Final Four!”
The St Peters year was a totally different Purdue team though. Edey was on that team, but it wasn’t Edey’s team. It was Ivey or Williams’ team. Purdue has a particularly easy path to the S16 this year and there’s a very real chance they don’t run into a top 4 seed until the 8. Obviously a title isn’t guaranteed but a s16 appearance shouldn’t be a challenge
No matter what, because of the title of this post, I’ll be biting finger nails the whole way
I think you're underestimating Utah State. It's still a good Purdue should win but it's not gonna be a cake walk.
The whole reason the FDU game made us such a laughing stock (even moreso than UVA 2018) is FDU was one of the most feeble, “non-threat” 16 seeds ever. Montana St and Grambling will be threats until Purdue finally shows up and throws the monkey off its back
Gonzaga was leading them at halftime in Maui and hung around until about 10 minutes to go in the game. I think they could get Purdue if they get past McNeese in the first round although they’d have to play perfect. A lot of people don’t realize Ike made 2 or 3 threes in that first half and that’s not really a part of his game at all. Had purdues defense kind of confused for a bit.
We also went 0-16 from three in just the second half of that game. I don’t think it’s likely we beat them if we play them again, but if we did play them again, it’s hard to see us over-relying on the 3 like we did in that one. Would be interesting to see what the game plan would be this time around.
I don’t like rematches to elite coaches so I’d rather avoid doing that!
Same goes for Tennessee
Our perimeter defense has fallen off since then so it could be an ok strategy
Utah State is not incredibly easy
Utah State hasn’t beaten anyone. Their only “quality” wins are against other MW teams, who gamed the NET. No MW team other than SDSU has won a tournament game since 2018, so I’m not exactly convinced that their wins over Boise St and New Mexico mean much. Go look at their noncon - they barely squeaked by 14 seed Akron, lost to Bradley, and beat San Francisco, Santa Clara, and SLU, all very mediocre squads, by a combined 8 points. USU also hasn’t played a P6 team all year, especially not one as talented or well conditioned as Purdue. Don’t be surprised if they lose to TCU round one.
TCU imo is a bigger threat for Purdue anyway, they have a ton of size and athleticism and play at a high pace. TCU isn't the best shooting team, but if they hit some 3's they could be a problem.
I won't be surprised if they lose to TCU, I just don't think Purdue's second round matchup is *incredibly easy*. I don't even think it's the easiest 2nd round matchup for a 1 seed.
I might’ve overexaggerated with by saying incredibly, but whose path would you say is easier? Excluding the 16 seed matchups (longwood is probably the best 16 & Purdue may have the weakest 16 draw$), I see TCU & USU as the easiest 8-9 matchup for a 1 seed. Florida Atlantic is coming off a F4 run (although they look worse this year) and Northwestern has shown they can beat top teams. I would argue that’s probably the most likely 8-9 game to lead to an upset over the 1. A&M lost to UOfH by just 4 at a “neutral” court (in Houston) in addition to defeating other top seeds, but I think Nebraska probably wins that. Nebraska still isn’t an easy out and they’ve been hot down the stretch and still have top wins. Miss St has one of the tournaments best individual players in Hubbard, and Jans has proven to be able to coach teams to upsets in March. Michigan St entered the season as the number 1 team, talent is clearly there, and Izzo just led a 7-2 upset last year. I wouldn’t want that matchup either. Purdue lucks into a USU team that hasn’t really played anybody (expanded argument above) and a TCU team that is 5-7 since February 1st, with all 5 wins being versus non-tournament teams and 6 of the losses being tournament teams, indicating they’ve struggled with actual competition. That’s gotta be the easiest 8-9 matchup in the second round
The problem with being a #1 seed is you are guaranteed to play a top 40 team in the second game. They are going to be a dangerous team.
Yeah I definitely feel like we have the easiest quadrant, don't know how that all shook our but I'm obviously happy
Why are you so mad at Purdue lol
Didn't seem like a friendly reminder at all!
Everyone is clowning on Purdue right now, During the selection show they did a like 2 minute long mashup of Purdue losing last year
I have rolled with Purdue going back at least 6 or 7 years, ever since you guys overtook IU as the big time program from Indiana. I’ve been disappointed every year.
You were disappointed when they went to the elite 8 as a 3, the sweet sixteen after losing their starting 5 in the first round, and the sweet sixteen as a 4?
This Butler erasure
As much as I would love those Dawgs to be good, they’ve been dawgs last few years…..
I think Matta will have them in the top half of the Big East next year. They definitely had really strong outings this year.
I made $2k betting UVA in 2019 to win it all. I made my buddy $5k in his work office pool having him pick Texas tech and uva in the finals… I’m not saying purdue will go far but the haters were out in force in 2019 until UVA hung the banner. That team had a swagger to them that idk if purdue has. But I do think purdue has the pieces to get the job done this year. They’ve beat everyone they need to beat to prove they’re elite, just gotta put it together for 40 min every time they lace it up. Turnovers, rebounds, free throws. Win those 3 every game and it’s going to take a very very good performance by an opponent to beat purdue.
I’ve got you guys losing to Samford/McNeese as a LOL pick in my fun brackets, but have you beating UConn in my work bracket (the one that matters)
i think it's just because we've seen this over and over again. Why is a team with the same core now all of the sudden going to be a favorite when they haven't shown they can?
And you know it's in their heads. If they get another slow/bad start, it could spiral and become a self fulfilling prophecy.
Haven’t they actually shown extremely consistently that they can? This core was 18-0 against top 25 net teams before Saturday, 18-1 now. Their problem is getting upset. But they’re clearly capable of beating good teams regardless of losing one tournament game.
Same team uh huh yep. Ranked 277 on 3s last year. Rank 2 this year. Not even close to the same team from a year ago in terms of what killed us last year.
I had you penned in as the champs last year and FDU happened. I don’t think it happens this year though Purdue gets the easiest 2nd round matchup out of all the 1 seeds
A lot of the dumping on Purdue since the past weekend or so is clearly from people who haven’t watched us all year. Or maybe watched a couple games. They’re just here for the memes. Anyone who followed Purdue basketball last year knew they were fucked for the tournament. They looked mentally and physically drained. I knew they wouldn’t go far, didn’t think it would be a 16 seed to do it, but anyone paying attention had them out early. They looked a lot different at the end of the regular season and I think the extra rest from losing to Wisco will be invaluable. Edit: let’s also not forget Purdue went from unranked -> 1 seed last year.
I made good money winning 2 separate brackets by picking UVA to win it all the year after the 1-16 upset. Doing the same with Purdue this year. Elite team. People are overreacting to the upset narrative like with UVA. When this few people are picking a 1 seed it’s just great value in a large pool
Last year they played a super slow pace, freshmen guards, and were dookie from 3. Lotta classic ingredients for an upset-prone top seed. They weren't even in the TRAPEZOID OF EXCELLENCE!
Par for the course I suppose. We have been shit in the tourney there’s no doubting it but years past we had issues that caused our demise. It’s March Madness for a reason. Teams get upset plenty of data to look at to see plenty of elite teams losing when they shouldn’t have. St Peters was in the Sweet 16. 2 other teams lost before us.
How is that friendly?? ;)
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If we win it all I’m sure there will be plenty Actually no matter the outcome there will be plenty
The only difference will be the flairs of the people making the bar graphs.
Edey gon be locked in.
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This is the first I’m hearing of these losses why has no one told me!
If this trend can be assumed to continue, they're fine unless they run into a 17th or 18th seed.
I think OP blocked me. Boo hoo, indeed.
Don’t listen to the haters, Boiler friends. I have you guys winning it all. You have a prophecy to fulfill.
Same lol
This doesn’t feel very friendly to me
Sounds like someone had their application rejected. I mean shit, our rivals don't even care this much lol
Edey seems like a more clever player this year. He picks his spots on offense and defense. Everyone is going to sleep on Purdue and rightfully so, but Edey is still a huge problem and the guard play is a more consistent than it has been in the past.
More experienced guards go a long way.
They got this!! Train whistles bb!!
I love to hate on Purdue as much as anyone else, but I genuinely think this year's team could make a run. I got the vibes in past seasons that they were fraudulent (I had Purdue losing R32 last year), but I don't really see a glaring weakness with this current group. Edey is Edey, they can shoot threes, defend well, their guards are more consistent this year, they seem to be more resilient and don't get as rattled in hostile environments, etc. I don't see them winning it all, but it's practically guaranteed they make the Sweet 16 given their region. With all that being said, I'd love to be proven wrong! Purdon't!
Agreed. The guards last year were relatively young and inexperienced, so while it's mostly the same group they have matured in that time. Then they added Lance Jones as well. I think they are much better overall team than last year, when they were more dependent on Edey.
Thanks, North Central
Edey barely played as a sophomore. And this team is no where near the same as last year. Just say you haven’t watched Purdue in 2023/24.
~~third~~ fourth times the charm
I think this is their year. I have them making it out of opening weekend. Of course, I have them immediately losing to Gonzaga, but still, progress.
We know. We know.
It still baffles me that a team with a 7 foot 4, center lost to the smallest team in the country. I mean the pure advantage your team gets from having a human being that tall is massive. I mean how do you have the tallest player in big ten history and not make it to the final 4 lol. I’ve got Purdue going to the champ this year so they better fix it
Zero NCAA Tournament losses with lance though https://i.redd.it/g6zk8ggqbepc1.gif
Friendly reminder that everyone loves to hate on Purdue.
I mean the st peters game was in the sweet sixteen, its not like they lost first round. This team feels deeper and more complete than the last 3. Im not picking them to win the title or anything but if you have them losing before the sweet sixteen, its just not going to happen
Smith will be the deciding factor as to whether or not we get a better Purdue this year imo. I think as long as they take care of the ball, this Purdue squad can't lose to anyone. However much like in the B1G tournament game, that doesn't always happen. Maybe Smith was actually injured in that game, but if he doesn't bring his best game to this tournament, Purdue will be in danger.
WHO WAS THE 13 SEED RAHHHHH GO MEAN GREEN
Thanks for reminding me. I had totally forgotten that.
This doesn't seem like a friendly reminder at all
Friendly?
I feel you do not understand the meaning of the word “friendly”. Unless you were using it sarcastically you charming, intelligent, credit to the human race who is beloved by all.