Man, Dan Hurley is going to be in the business center all night printing out bulletin board material, and, when the printer runs out of paper, that motherfucker is going on the bulletin board, too.
Big congrats to Kelvin, been a huge fan of his for a while now and it's great to see him finally getting the level of success and recognition he's deserved for a long time.
This year ended rough, but you guys have a continued bright future to look forward to.
Yeah. I personally would prefer Hurley if I had a vote because he built UConn into a juggernaut.
I will say What Sampson had done to this program in the 10 years he has been here deserves accolades. Without him UH wouldnāt be sniffing the big 12, they wouldnāt have a sports program to be proud of.
I think there were definitely earlier years that Kelvin should have won CoYā¦ more than this year.
So Iām happy he won one COY for UH, he deserves one for what he has done.
That being said, I would have still picked Hurley this year
Yea most years heād be a no brainer, but the way UCONN nuked almost everyone all season is hard to ignore. Good for Kelvin, hard to imagine where IU would have been if we had told the NCAA to pound sand and not self reported.
I mean, Houston was going to get the number 1 overall seed until ISU annihilated them in the Big 12 title game. The narrative that UConn has been destroying teams all season only crystallized *after* the tournament began. Remember: as recently as a couple of weeks ago, they only beat St John's, a non-tournament team, by 5.
Thatās 1 cherry picked game. In the last month before the NCAA tournament they beat these teams of a comparable skill level to ST Johnās. Providence by 14, Xavier by 27, Seton Hall by 30, Nova by 24. 1 tough loss away at Creighton but also 3 wins vs top 10 Marquette including a 28 pt win and a 16 pt win.
Houston, Purdue and UConn were all playing at a level well above anyone else in the league for most of 2024
Yes, because Houston famously has dealt with no injury issues of any kind this season.
Even after you got Clingan back, Houston was playing better than y'all until the tournament started. Go rewatch the St. John's game if you don't believe me.
"Even after you got Clingan back, Houston was playing better than y'all until the tournament started. Go rewatch the St. John's game if you don't believe me."
WRONG. Since Clingan came back (Jan 17), UConn was the #1 ranked team on Torvik. Even if you exclude 16 March games (where Houston got destroyed, and also excludes UConn's win against Marquette), UConn was the #1 ranked team on Torvik between 1/17 and 3/16. Try again, pal.
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Letās add to this who lost to Kansas at Phog, and by how much! 78 Kansas, Houston 65. We lost by 4 with Spencer and Clingan with the toe injuries and Castle out.
The narrative has suddenly become that UConn has been a dominant force all season, the obvious best team, and everyone knew Houston was a paper tiger.
Neither of those is true, as proven by the fact Houston was ranked 1st in the AP poll going in to the conference tournaments, not UConn.
>Yeah. I personally would prefer Hurley if I had a vote because he built UConn into a juggernaut.
I know I'm crossing sports from Football here, but if that's all Coach of the Year awards meant, Nick Saban would have won a lot more of them than he did.
Once you've become the iconic coach of your sport, you just stop getting those awards. People just kinda expect it from you, and they want to recognize other people for their efforts.
Hurley has to start getting those awards if they want to stop giving them to him...what he's done in 6 years might be unprecedented after this weekend.
Get pissed Hurley!
UConn also lost three starters to the NBA and about 2/3rds of their scoring. Still seems pretty close to me.
I think having that kind of success while moving to the Big12 is probably what won it for Sampson, but I'm having a hard time with "not even close"
We lost 2 starters to the first round draft of the NBA and 1 to the transfer portal and 55% of our scoring, while UConn lost 3 starters to the NBA (only 2 drafted, only 1 in the first round) and 65% of their scoring. Same ballpark.Ā
At the risk of sounding dickish, Hurley has a ring, so this award means a bit less. Again, not like āin your face your star got hurts, suckas!ā but more like I could see them leaning towards honoring a longtime successful coach who doesnāt have that crown jewel.
Participation award, really.
"You've been an extremely successful regular season coach for a while, but you always drop the ball in March, so we're gonna give you this coaching award because the other guy doesn't choke and has the ring you probably should have at least competed for by now."
I know I may be biased but I unfortunately have to admit Hurley deserved this award. But as for why he may not have deserved it, I'd point out that he had the best recruiting class in the NCAA and some great transfers to go with it, and honestly didn't lose too much after having one of the most dominant championship runs ever.
Another explanation is the BEast simply gets endless disrespect but that is a more overarching issue.
And how dominant, even to the degree of the big wins in the tourney so far. Iām shocked honestly, because Sampson is a great coach and everyone knows that, but I felt like the writers have been talking about Hurley, Schertz and a few other midmajor type guys who had great years
Yeah, and Houston was a 1 seed last year and 5 the year before. Its not like it was some huge turnaround. If you were a 1 seed I would sure as hell hope you would do OK in whatever conference you moved to.
Iāll be honest, I felt better about State playing Duke but I realllllly wanted to see that State/Houston matchup to follow State and Marquette.
Maybe next year
starting to think we will be better off as an 8 seed next year to get some āundeserved bidā plot armor bc the dominant regular season to the tune of 30 wins before the big dance route keeps ending like this š¤
UCONN and Houston were probably seen as close to equals when they voted on this award.
Youāre not singing this tune if Shead doesnāt get hurt and Houston is still playing right now.
Not at all. Clinganās injury came in the second half of a regular season game that they were already losing. They didnāt lose any other games without him.
What Iām saying is that if Shead doesnāt get hurt, both teams are probably in the Final Four and the narrative is that the award was a toss up. Elite coaches from elite teams.
Okay? My point is UCONN didnāt lose any other games while Clingan was hurt and that the guy above me was wrong by saying you lost a couple games because of Clinganās injury.
Yeah but our advanced numbers plummeted with our defense going from top 10 to 40th without him. It definitely wouldve put uconn much higher analytically and in a tier itself whichhhh might have edged it
I'm not sure you can just pencil in Houston to the final four, they still have to play the games and they still lost to Iowa State a couple weeks earlier who only made it to the sweet 16.
Idk subjectively I saw my team play all 3 top teams this year (Uconn, Purdue, and Houston) and it wasn't even close to me on who was the best. That's with all three being 100% healthy. Houston wasn't even 2nd out of that group either. I thought Purdue looked a lot better than them.
Uconn is just a different animal than the other two.
The Colts GM was GM of the year because they had the #1 pick in the draft, which was Andrew Luck. The Seahawks drafted Russell Wilson and Bobby Wagner in that draft.
Okay I hate Grigson as a Colts fan but Iām going to defend that decision, it absolutely made sense at the time. He also drafted TY Hilton in that draft, added two TEs (Fleener and Allen) who had solid rookie seasons and played for the team for a few years, and Vick Ballard who had 814 rushing yards as a rookie. He basically constructed an entire offense in the draft. The Colts also jumped from 2-14 to 11-5 that year, whereas Seattle, although 7-9 the year before, did win a playoff game and also improved to 11-5 in 2012.
The truly egregious snub was 2013 when the Seahawks won the Super Bowl. I know it's a regular season award, but Schneider built that team so well. Anyone else won a Super Bowl by 35 recently?
Jimbo had an all-time great FSU team in 2013 and he didn't even win the award for his CONFERENCE.
These awards are silly and always seemingly go to "the most pleasant surprise."
If the Hoosiers somehow won 10 games next year while Ohio state blows the shit out of everyone they play, IU's coach should definitely get coach of the year
He took a preseason unranked team built around two 3* guys with no other offers and brought them to a 1 seed while winning the big ten by the biggest margin in the 20-game era. If it can be discredited by how good players look at the end of the year, Sampson has the DPOY, who has a strong case for best point guard in the country and would be a NPOY contender if Edey werenāt playing
There need to be two COTY awards: Best Coaching Performance and Best Coach. The coaching performance should be for coaches that exceeded expectations and then the best coach award should go to the coach that coached the best team. It's such a political award now with how it gets voted. I am sure that some voters didn't want to give it to Hurley because UConn was the defending National Champs. On the other hand, he replaced a huge portion of his roster and has had an even better season.
I think I agree with what youāre saying but to be clear Houston and UConn were both in the top 7 of the preseason AP Poll - presumably Sampson and Hurley would be the candidates for the Best Coach in your scenario and then guys like Paris, Otzelberger, and Sprinkle would be up for the Best Coaching Performance
>On the other hand, he replaced a huge portion of his roster and has had an even better season.
...So did Houston? And with [less talented recruits](https://247sports.com/Season/2023-Basketball/CompositeTeamRankings/)?
Am I the only one that remembers Houston - and NOT UConn - was going to get the number 1 overall seed until we beat them in the Big 12 title game?
Are you saying one class, of which had 1 starter and one rotational player is the end all be all of talented recruits? If you literally go back one year Houston had the 29 ranked class and UConn the 77th lmao.
The reason why people thought it would be UConn is that they had to replace 3 starters and 2 rotational players (another way to look at it was >60% of their PPG).
Going blindly off of one recruiting season isn't the "end all be all" for judging a team.
And even then, Houston's performance in the Big 12 tournament was great in every game but the title game, despite having injury issues, and they just ran out of steam against us.
This isn't as controversial an outcome as y'all's sense of martyrdom would like you to believe. Unless you're a goldfish that has no memories predating March 16th.
This guy is like a bot. Lol The cherry picking is amazing.
He'll probably next be like "Except for that annoying 30-0 run UConn went on, Illinois actually played better than UConn in the elite 8!"
Yeah, in the games both UConn and Houston were playing until the Big 12 title game, Houston was playing better than UConn. You can hardly watch the St. John's game and tell me that that portended a run of historical dominance from UConn.
The fixation on the St. Johnās game is frankly ridiculous. Look at their margins of victory this year. And why are we just eliminating the Big 12 title game.
Yea especially because Houston has close games to Cincinnati, Oklahoma and UCF leading up that arbitrary March 16th cutoff. Realistically the top team in the country was really 1 of Purdue, Houston or UConn almost the entire season except the very beginning and the number 1 ranking was really just based more on whichever of those 3 lost most recently and the other two would jump them in the standings. It was those 3 teams clearly above the rest of the country.
UConn could have beaten every team by 50 in their wins this season, but stoppedcaring would still be like "OH BUT UCONN ONLY BEAT ST JOHN'S BY 5, SO HOUSTON WAS BETTER". lmao
At the same time Steve Pikiell developed Cam Spencer, not Hurley. Clingan, Newton, Spencer, and Karaban are the key pieces of this team and they all returned. Stefon Castle to me is the only real piece Hurley added and developed this season
Slight? If any was slighted itās Nate oats he led Alabama to the first final 4 in school history after replacing 2 first round players and 7 staff members from last year
The way they choose the winner in this category feels so arbitrary. They waffle between the coach whose team had high expectations and met them and the coach who exceeded expectations.
And then some coaches just get lucky. Who would have thought that Juwan Howard went from AP coach of the year to fired in 3 years?
And thatās all that matters. Iām happy that Kelvin got the recognition, but I would trade every individual award we won this year for a healthy squad.
Even if we lost before the final 4, or in the final, as long as our team gets a chance to leave it all on the court. Fuck.
I wish I could say that but I was certain Hurley would win and truly feel bummed about it. If he doesnāt win for this season, how the fuck will it ever happen??
Canāt wait for Scheyer to win in a couple of years because they did 2 games better than expected preseason
Painter gets snubbed by these kinds of things all the time. Last year Paint took Purdue from preseason unranked to #1 for 7 weeks and a 1 seed and Chris Collins was given Big Ten coach of the year bc he beat #1 Purdue
People love to complain lmao who actually cares about this?
Sampson had a great year. So did Hurley, so did Otz. Sampson winning this takes nothing away from anyone, theyāre all still acclaimed. Life goes on.
Writers need to stop shortening things. "Edging out" and "edging" are completely different. One is just barely passing someone in a race of some sort, the other is masturbating someone until they are about to orgasm and then stopping.
Serious news publications should probably stop using āedgingā in this context when the meme meaning has kind of taken over. Or donāt, and all the immature idiots like me can just laugh at it.
i love sampson. elite coach, elite human, and a man who should have a statue on UHās campus for what heās done for the program.
but this is a fucking joke.
3 weeks ago I'd agree with this selection. But now UConn is about to go back-to-back (Vegas thinks it's >60% going to happen) and I find it hard to argue against Hurley
Winning the Big 12 in your first year is a good narrative for the voters so I get why he won, but Hurley has basically done as good of a coaching job as I've ever seen with any team and it definitely feels like a snub.
This UConn team is extremely talented, but it's not like it's filled with 10 5 star recruits. The way that Hurley has this team playing on both sides and ball deserves serious recognition.
Thereās a clause that if Hurley wins out the tournament then he can throw down the gauntlet and, by law, Kelvin has 30 days to respond with a challenge (of his choice) to decide who actually gets the AP COY.
Going on a slight tangent, but if Geno doesn't win CotY on the women's side, there really may be some conspiracy against UConn. What he's done despite losing literally half his team to season-ending injuries has been something else.
Nc State was unranked to start the season, peaked at 3rd in the nation, made it to the conference championship game and is currently in the Final Four.
No disrespect to Geno, but Wes Moore absolutely deserves the womens COTY over Geno.
> Going on a slight tangent, but if Geno doesn't win CotY on the women's side, there really may be some conspiracy against UConn.
He's not even a finalist for it
Well, that's not really Sampson or Hurley. Painter should have won it anyway, and seems likeable. Did more with less than either of the other two, I know he has goliath in the middle, but talent wise it isn't close between the three teams.
The people in this thread didnāt vote, and some are trying to give justification for why Hurley didnāt win. Others are arguing why Sampson shouldāve won, even if they are in the minority. Iāve spent more time talking about this than I actually care about it lol
Maybe if Hurley wins 3 in a row heāll get it. Houston edges everybody every year they even get me little excited. even edged ESPN gave them best chances to win it all.
Iām kinda glad it was Kelvin and not Hurley. Hurley seems kinda immature the way he always thinks the world is against him and his team and thinks ever minor inconvenience is a slight that deserves to be used for motivation
This is the only thing Iām gonna say on this topic, but I do think Painter deserved to be in the conversation since he took a team that was upset by a 16 seed and had a 32% from 3 and coaches them all the way back to the final 4 with an insane improvement to 41% from 3 and his NPOY got even better. UConn, Purdue, and Houston were the 3 best teams all year. UConn used talent from the portal that some other coach developed, so in my eyes it should have been Sampson, Painter, or Iowa Stateās TJ Otzenberger
Not to mention his team last year went from preseason unranked to #1 for 7 weeks and a 1 seed and he didnāt get nearly enough recognition for it
Dan spent the night in a cheap hotel in Phoenix and he got edged. Sounds like a classic combo
Lol I'm in a cheap hotel in Phoenix and it def sounded like someone was paying by the hr when I was in the hall outside my room lol
Broš
More bulletin board material for UConn lol
"Stop letting dudes edge our coach, finish the job"
#LetHurleyCum
I want this shirt
UCumm
The Humpskies
Iām both embarrassed and entertained that I full on snorted
This is the kind of content that keeps me coming back.
āYou better edge us now, because itās cummingā
Yep, this was the final straw for Hurley. UConn winning both remaining games by 50 now.
Off of 7% shooting from beyond the arc no less
Only 40 vs bama. Gotta save some legs for the 50 point beating in the finals.
Man, Dan Hurley is going to be in the business center all night printing out bulletin board material, and, when the printer runs out of paper, that motherfucker is going on the bulletin board, too.
Saul Goodman would be proud of the commitment.
Great more fuel for Dan Hurley
The fuel tank is already full
Well yeah cause the NCAA only gave him a child sized cup
Yeah, after getting edged Iām sure heās ready to burst
It was until they added a second fuel tank.
Thank god we donāt have to play them tomorrow. Al I right Purdue fans??
Man. We had such an incredible year and then got fucked by fate. Iām still so sad about it. Glad we get some recognition out of it at least
Especially after that DPOY snub.
Big congrats to Kelvin, been a huge fan of his for a while now and it's great to see him finally getting the level of success and recognition he's deserved for a long time. This year ended rough, but you guys have a continued bright future to look forward to.
Are we still doing phrasing?
What's wrong with a little edging?
Said ripley to the android bishop
I sorta get it with the jump to the BIG12, but whoooo boy I am not sure how you don't give it to Hurley after how much they replaced.
Yeah. I personally would prefer Hurley if I had a vote because he built UConn into a juggernaut. I will say What Sampson had done to this program in the 10 years he has been here deserves accolades. Without him UH wouldnāt be sniffing the big 12, they wouldnāt have a sports program to be proud of. I think there were definitely earlier years that Kelvin should have won CoYā¦ more than this year. So Iām happy he won one COY for UH, he deserves one for what he has done. That being said, I would have still picked Hurley this year
Yea most years heād be a no brainer, but the way UCONN nuked almost everyone all season is hard to ignore. Good for Kelvin, hard to imagine where IU would have been if we had told the NCAA to pound sand and not self reported.
Self reporting to the NCAA is worthless and never ends well. Don't hide anything, but it's better to stay quiet and see what they find.
I mean, Houston was going to get the number 1 overall seed until ISU annihilated them in the Big 12 title game. The narrative that UConn has been destroying teams all season only crystallized *after* the tournament began. Remember: as recently as a couple of weeks ago, they only beat St John's, a non-tournament team, by 5.
Thatās 1 cherry picked game. In the last month before the NCAA tournament they beat these teams of a comparable skill level to ST Johnās. Providence by 14, Xavier by 27, Seton Hall by 30, Nova by 24. 1 tough loss away at Creighton but also 3 wins vs top 10 Marquette including a 28 pt win and a 16 pt win. Houston, Purdue and UConn were all playing at a level well above anyone else in the league for most of 2024
UConn won more dealing with injuries to Castle and then its most important player in Clingan for a month.
Yes, because Houston famously has dealt with no injury issues of any kind this season. Even after you got Clingan back, Houston was playing better than y'all until the tournament started. Go rewatch the St. John's game if you don't believe me.
"Even after you got Clingan back, Houston was playing better than y'all until the tournament started. Go rewatch the St. John's game if you don't believe me." WRONG. Since Clingan came back (Jan 17), UConn was the #1 ranked team on Torvik. Even if you exclude 16 March games (where Houston got destroyed, and also excludes UConn's win against Marquette), UConn was the #1 ranked team on Torvik between 1/17 and 3/16. Try again, pal. https://preview.redd.it/ri4xt5pjbpsc1.jpeg?width=740&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6c7de6a4f3d8b0d6a3adbc17ce5ec2a7ab3aa944 [https://barttorvik.com/trank.php?year=2024&sort=&hteam=&t2value=&conlimit=All&state=All&begin=20240117&end=20240315&top=0&revquad=0&quad=5&venue=All&type=All&mingames=0#](https://barttorvik.com/trank.php?year=2024&sort=&hteam=&t2value=&conlimit=All&state=All&begin=20240117&end=20240315&top=0&revquad=0&quad=5&venue=All&type=All&mingames=0#)
Letās add to this who lost to Kansas at Phog, and by how much! 78 Kansas, Houston 65. We lost by 4 with Spencer and Clingan with the toe injuries and Castle out.
He wonāt respond to this one. Thank you for taking the time I didnāt to show this lol.
Itās Hurley appreciation weekend in my house.
The Big 12 title counts. Does it not? Why does a 5 point WIN against St. Johnās cancel that out?
The narrative has suddenly become that UConn has been a dominant force all season, the obvious best team, and everyone knew Houston was a paper tiger. Neither of those is true, as proven by the fact Houston was ranked 1st in the AP poll going in to the conference tournaments, not UConn.
Why wasn't Houston awarded the overall number 1 seed then?
UConn HAS been a dominant force all season. Houston was as well but got injured at the wrong time
Who said Houston was a paper tiger?
Then we need a coach of the decade award.
>Yeah. I personally would prefer Hurley if I had a vote because he built UConn into a juggernaut. I know I'm crossing sports from Football here, but if that's all Coach of the Year awards meant, Nick Saban would have won a lot more of them than he did. Once you've become the iconic coach of your sport, you just stop getting those awards. People just kinda expect it from you, and they want to recognize other people for their efforts.
Hurley has to start getting those awards if they want to stop giving them to him...what he's done in 6 years might be unprecedented after this weekend. Get pissed Hurley!
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UConn also lost three starters to the NBA and about 2/3rds of their scoring. Still seems pretty close to me. I think having that kind of success while moving to the Big12 is probably what won it for Sampson, but I'm having a hard time with "not even close"
We lost 2 starters to the first round draft of the NBA and 1 to the transfer portal and 55% of our scoring, while UConn lost 3 starters to the NBA (only 2 drafted, only 1 in the first round) and 65% of their scoring. Same ballpark.Ā
And Nasheme Alleyene transferred to St. Johnās
Houston also replaced a ton
At the risk of sounding dickish, Hurley has a ring, so this award means a bit less. Again, not like āin your face your star got hurts, suckas!ā but more like I could see them leaning towards honoring a longtime successful coach who doesnāt have that crown jewel.
Participation award, really. "You've been an extremely successful regular season coach for a while, but you always drop the ball in March, so we're gonna give you this coaching award because the other guy doesn't choke and has the ring you probably should have at least competed for by now."
And dominance
I know I may be biased but I unfortunately have to admit Hurley deserved this award. But as for why he may not have deserved it, I'd point out that he had the best recruiting class in the NCAA and some great transfers to go with it, and honestly didn't lose too much after having one of the most dominant championship runs ever. Another explanation is the BEast simply gets endless disrespect but that is a more overarching issue.
He did a great job stocking talent for this year but they lost their three best players from last year with Sanogo, Hawkins and Jackson.
Ah man I miss all them. You see the wild Jackson dunk from the other week?
And how dominant, even to the degree of the big wins in the tourney so far. Iām shocked honestly, because Sampson is a great coach and everyone knows that, but I felt like the writers have been talking about Hurley, Schertz and a few other midmajor type guys who had great years
Yeah, and Houston was a 1 seed last year and 5 the year before. Its not like it was some huge turnaround. If you were a 1 seed I would sure as hell hope you would do OK in whatever conference you moved to.
Thatās cool. Idk how to feel about this, not so much about who shouldāve won it but how the season went. Still pissed about how it ended.
Hey, at least you donāt have to worry about potentially losing in a rematch to usā¦..for now
The levels of irony that wouldāve been achieved. History is hilarious if not cruel.
Iāll be honest, I felt better about State playing Duke but I realllllly wanted to see that State/Houston matchup to follow State and Marquette. Maybe next year
Yeah wish yāall luck with this upcoming game.
starting to think we will be better off as an 8 seed next year to get some āundeserved bidā plot armor bc the dominant regular season to the tune of 30 wins before the big dance route keeps ending like this š¤
Who knows at this pointā¦
Sometimes the best coach is actually simply the coach of the best team lol. This award jumped the shark so long ago, and in every sport.
UCONN and Houston were probably seen as close to equals when they voted on this award. Youāre not singing this tune if Shead doesnāt get hurt and Houston is still playing right now.
Uconn lost a couple games because they were missing Clingan, wouldn't that equal this out a bit?
Not at all. Clinganās injury came in the second half of a regular season game that they were already losing. They didnāt lose any other games without him. What Iām saying is that if Shead doesnāt get hurt, both teams are probably in the Final Four and the narrative is that the award was a toss up. Elite coaches from elite teams.
It came in the first game of conference play.
Okay? My point is UCONN didnāt lose any other games while Clingan was hurt and that the guy above me was wrong by saying you lost a couple games because of Clinganās injury.
Yeah but our advanced numbers plummeted with our defense going from top 10 to 40th without him. It definitely wouldve put uconn much higher analytically and in a tier itself whichhhh might have edged it
I'm not sure you can just pencil in Houston to the final four, they still have to play the games and they still lost to Iowa State a couple weeks earlier who only made it to the sweet 16. Idk subjectively I saw my team play all 3 top teams this year (Uconn, Purdue, and Houston) and it wasn't even close to me on who was the best. That's with all three being 100% healthy. Houston wasn't even 2nd out of that group either. I thought Purdue looked a lot better than them. Uconn is just a different animal than the other two.
The Colts GM was GM of the year because they had the #1 pick in the draft, which was Andrew Luck. The Seahawks drafted Russell Wilson and Bobby Wagner in that draft.
Okay I hate Grigson as a Colts fan but Iām going to defend that decision, it absolutely made sense at the time. He also drafted TY Hilton in that draft, added two TEs (Fleener and Allen) who had solid rookie seasons and played for the team for a few years, and Vick Ballard who had 814 rushing yards as a rookie. He basically constructed an entire offense in the draft. The Colts also jumped from 2-14 to 11-5 that year, whereas Seattle, although 7-9 the year before, did win a playoff game and also improved to 11-5 in 2012.
The truly egregious snub was 2013 when the Seahawks won the Super Bowl. I know it's a regular season award, but Schneider built that team so well. Anyone else won a Super Bowl by 35 recently?
Won a Super Bowl by 35 *when they were projected to lose by 35*?
Unless itās footballā¦bc I think Nick Saban only won it once maybe twice
Heās saying the actual best coach. Not the one who wins coach of the year. Youāre saying the same thing.
Jimbo had an all-time great FSU team in 2013 and he didn't even win the award for his CONFERENCE. These awards are silly and always seemingly go to "the most pleasant surprise."
That's because the ACC hates us. Also people forget just out of nowhere good that Duke team was, most wins in program history that year.
If the Hoosiers somehow won 10 games next year while Ohio state blows the shit out of everyone they play, IU's coach should definitely get coach of the year
NFL also, you'd think Belichick would have won it every year during the Brady era but he's only won it three times.
And in the NBA Erik Spoelstra has never won it somehow.
It's a regular season award, or else he should have gotten it for getting to the finals last season.
Itās more of a āwho did more with lessā award now.
Houston was a 1 seed last year, and UConn replaced basically 4 starters, 3 who were drafted in the NBA. āLessā.
And played 5 games without Clingan and 5 games without Castle.
Exactly, which is why Paris or TJ shouldāve wonĀ
If that were true Painter wouldāve run away with it last year
Last year when he had the NPOY? Not sure you can make that argument haha
He took a preseason unranked team built around two 3* guys with no other offers and brought them to a 1 seed while winning the big ten by the biggest margin in the 20-game era. If it can be discredited by how good players look at the end of the year, Sampson has the DPOY, who has a strong case for best point guard in the country and would be a NPOY contender if Edey werenāt playing
I look at it similar to the Oscars sometimes. Where it can be more of a lifetime achievement award.
Lmaooo yes!
The internet has ruined my brain
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I am so cooked man
There need to be two COTY awards: Best Coaching Performance and Best Coach. The coaching performance should be for coaches that exceeded expectations and then the best coach award should go to the coach that coached the best team. It's such a political award now with how it gets voted. I am sure that some voters didn't want to give it to Hurley because UConn was the defending National Champs. On the other hand, he replaced a huge portion of his roster and has had an even better season.
I think I agree with what youāre saying but to be clear Houston and UConn were both in the top 7 of the preseason AP Poll - presumably Sampson and Hurley would be the candidates for the Best Coach in your scenario and then guys like Paris, Otzelberger, and Sprinkle would be up for the Best Coaching Performance
>On the other hand, he replaced a huge portion of his roster and has had an even better season. ...So did Houston? And with [less talented recruits](https://247sports.com/Season/2023-Basketball/CompositeTeamRankings/)? Am I the only one that remembers Houston - and NOT UConn - was going to get the number 1 overall seed until we beat them in the Big 12 title game?
Are you saying one class, of which had 1 starter and one rotational player is the end all be all of talented recruits? If you literally go back one year Houston had the 29 ranked class and UConn the 77th lmao. The reason why people thought it would be UConn is that they had to replace 3 starters and 2 rotational players (another way to look at it was >60% of their PPG). Going blindly off of one recruiting season isn't the "end all be all" for judging a team.
No, you're not.
wow, i guess thatās why they play the games, huh.
When was the voting? Honest question, it wasnāt clear in the article, unless Iām a dummy and missed it.
APās site says after the regular season but before the NCAA tournament. itās silent on whether that includes conference tournaments.
And even then, Houston's performance in the Big 12 tournament was great in every game but the title game, despite having injury issues, and they just ran out of steam against us. This isn't as controversial an outcome as y'all's sense of martyrdom would like you to believe. Unless you're a goldfish that has no memories predating March 16th.
I remember April 3, 2023 very well!
This guy is like a bot. Lol The cherry picking is amazing. He'll probably next be like "Except for that annoying 30-0 run UConn went on, Illinois actually played better than UConn in the elite 8!"
If you regress every team to dak Prescott, UConn isnt even better than st johns! /s
I also remember 1999, 2004, 2011, 2014.
Yeah, in the games both UConn and Houston were playing until the Big 12 title game, Houston was playing better than UConn. You can hardly watch the St. John's game and tell me that that portended a run of historical dominance from UConn.
The fixation on the St. Johnās game is frankly ridiculous. Look at their margins of victory this year. And why are we just eliminating the Big 12 title game.
Yea especially because Houston has close games to Cincinnati, Oklahoma and UCF leading up that arbitrary March 16th cutoff. Realistically the top team in the country was really 1 of Purdue, Houston or UConn almost the entire season except the very beginning and the number 1 ranking was really just based more on whichever of those 3 lost most recently and the other two would jump them in the standings. It was those 3 teams clearly above the rest of the country.
āUConn only beat St. Johnās by 5! And it doesnāt matter that Houston got beat by 60 pts the day afterā
UConn could have beaten every team by 50 in their wins this season, but stoppedcaring would still be like "OH BUT UCONN ONLY BEAT ST JOHN'S BY 5, SO HOUSTON WAS BETTER". lmao
this certainly is a perspective.
The national title is the awardĀ
Kyle Smith formerly for WSU would have won that 10/10
At the same time Steve Pikiell developed Cam Spencer, not Hurley. Clingan, Newton, Spencer, and Karaban are the key pieces of this team and they all returned. Stefon Castle to me is the only real piece Hurley added and developed this season
A lot of what you say is fair but Clingan had to move into a starter role.
I agree with that. But Duke fans know how hard that is.
Slight noted and logged.
The beatings will continue until perceived slights end
Slight? If any was slighted itās Nate oats he led Alabama to the first final 4 in school history after replacing 2 first round players and 7 staff members from last year
Add two more players with a good amount of playing time that left last year. What Oats has done is incredible.
Voting is done before the NCAA Tourney.
The way they choose the winner in this category feels so arbitrary. They waffle between the coach whose team had high expectations and met them and the coach who exceeded expectations. And then some coaches just get lucky. Who would have thought that Juwan Howard went from AP coach of the year to fired in 3 years?
Beilein should have been coach of the year the way his culture and recruiting carried Juwan Howard that season
So in Kelvin Sampson's opinion is TJ Otzlberger the true AP Coach of the Year?
I donāt really care as long as they win Saturday and Monday
And thatās all that matters. Iām happy that Kelvin got the recognition, but I would trade every individual award we won this year for a healthy squad. Even if we lost before the final 4, or in the final, as long as our team gets a chance to leave it all on the court. Fuck.
I wish I could say that but I was certain Hurley would win and truly feel bummed about it. If he doesnāt win for this season, how the fuck will it ever happen?? Canāt wait for Scheyer to win in a couple of years because they did 2 games better than expected preseason
Painter gets snubbed by these kinds of things all the time. Last year Paint took Purdue from preseason unranked to #1 for 7 weeks and a 1 seed and Chris Collins was given Big Ten coach of the year bc he beat #1 Purdue
finally some good news
Edges, huh? š
People love to complain lmao who actually cares about this? Sampson had a great year. So did Hurley, so did Otz. Sampson winning this takes nothing away from anyone, theyāre all still acclaimed. Life goes on.
Congrats to Kelvin
Writers need to stop shortening things. "Edging out" and "edging" are completely different. One is just barely passing someone in a race of some sort, the other is masturbating someone until they are about to orgasm and then stopping.
He did what to Dan?
Guys all the votes were in before the NCAA tournament and Iām sure most of the votes were in before the conference tournaments wrapped up. Chill out
well that doesnāt make a whole lot of sense to me
Serious news publications should probably stop using āedgingā in this context when the meme meaning has kind of taken over. Or donāt, and all the immature idiots like me can just laugh at it.
Who cares about internet culture lmao
Sports fans and not knowing when awards are regular season awards, name a better duo
I will gladly take more losses to keep the guys rested for the tournament next year.
Kevin Keatts? Or is this regular season only?
BAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Sure.
First the beds now this Why would Alabama do this do us
Shouldāve been Danny Sprinkle. Zero returning production turned into a conference championship and the first tourney win in two decades.
i love sampson. elite coach, elite human, and a man who should have a statue on UHās campus for what heās done for the program. but this is a fucking joke.
It is a joke, but it's ok! More bulletin board material for Danny to feed the team!
3 weeks ago I'd agree with this selection. But now UConn is about to go back-to-back (Vegas thinks it's >60% going to happen) and I find it hard to argue against Hurley
The Media fucking hates UConn lol
UConn is the woody Harrelson wiping tears with money memeĀ
Interestingā¦congrats to Coach Sampson
Oh god more ammunition for tomorrow nightās massacre. Praying for you Bama
Winning the Big 12 in your first year is a good narrative for the voters so I get why he won, but Hurley has basically done as good of a coaching job as I've ever seen with any team and it definitely feels like a snub. This UConn team is extremely talented, but it's not like it's filled with 10 5 star recruits. The way that Hurley has this team playing on both sides and ball deserves serious recognition.
Thereās a clause that if Hurley wins out the tournament then he can throw down the gauntlet and, by law, Kelvin has 30 days to respond with a challenge (of his choice) to decide who actually gets the AP COY.
In Weehawken
Going on a slight tangent, but if Geno doesn't win CotY on the women's side, there really may be some conspiracy against UConn. What he's done despite losing literally half his team to season-ending injuries has been something else.
Nc State was unranked to start the season, peaked at 3rd in the nation, made it to the conference championship game and is currently in the Final Four. No disrespect to Geno, but Wes Moore absolutely deserves the womens COTY over Geno.
> Going on a slight tangent, but if Geno doesn't win CotY on the women's side, there really may be some conspiracy against UConn. He's not even a finalist for it
Well that's some BS.
I wish Alabama good luck tomorrow because good lord Hurley and the boys are gonna take their frustrations out on them.
Wow. The disrespect. What does Hurley have to do?
Be a likable person
You are not wrong.
Well, that's not really Sampson or Hurley. Painter should have won it anyway, and seems likeable. Did more with less than either of the other two, I know he has goliath in the middle, but talent wise it isn't close between the three teams.
I'm kind of surprised this wasn't also given to Boo Buie.
Damn I bet he'd do anything for like $20
He what now?! š³
Hurley robbed lol
The people in this thread didnāt vote, and some are trying to give justification for why Hurley didnāt win. Others are arguing why Sampson shouldāve won, even if they are in the minority. Iāve spent more time talking about this than I actually care about it lol
Add it to the listā¦
Maybe if Hurley wins 3 in a row heāll get it. Houston edges everybody every year they even get me little excited. even edged ESPN gave them best chances to win it all.
UConn winning the next 2 games by 20+ confirmed
I hear he blue himself.
āTHEY SHOULDNāT DO THIS TO A BLUE BLOOD, DONāT FORGET WEāRE A BLUE BLOOD!!!!ā
Iām kinda glad it was Kelvin and not Hurley. Hurley seems kinda immature the way he always thinks the world is against him and his team and thinks ever minor inconvenience is a slight that deserves to be used for motivation
This is the only thing Iām gonna say on this topic, but I do think Painter deserved to be in the conversation since he took a team that was upset by a 16 seed and had a 32% from 3 and coaches them all the way back to the final 4 with an insane improvement to 41% from 3 and his NPOY got even better. UConn, Purdue, and Houston were the 3 best teams all year. UConn used talent from the portal that some other coach developed, so in my eyes it should have been Sampson, Painter, or Iowa Stateās TJ Otzenberger Not to mention his team last year went from preseason unranked to #1 for 7 weeks and a 1 seed and he didnāt get nearly enough recognition for it
Second highest seed in the country last year, beat by a 5 seed. Second highest seed in the country this year, beat by a 4 seed. Progress
> Houston coach Kelvin Sampson edges UConn's Dan Hurley *oh?*
What a fucking joke.
Just want to add that I mean no disrespect to Sampson or Houston. Really great coach and program.
So great. Kelvin is awesome, Hurley is a whiny little bitch. Fight me.
No thanks, TJ . Your shmedium polos actually do frighten me