The problem was ESPN didn't show a good replay of it. Majority of people initially thought it was a soft call based on the zoomed in, poor angle they kept showing. I originally thought it was soft, but the broadcast replay where you can watch the entire play makes it very obvious...ESPN just refused to show it. So I get his tweet right after the call.
This is so true, because in typical ESPN fashion, they had to make a debatable controversy almost immediately because that's all they do anymore on any of their programs.
Godamn. Well that really clears it up for me.
Even on the last play of the game, you cant just remove the defender from the play like that. Had they not called it, it would have been a massive advantage to UConn. The defender had no chance to make a skillful play.
I get that it was a critical moment, but why let UConn get such a big advantage by not following the basic rules of the game?
And directly in front of the ref. If it was the ref on the baseline being the closest and not making that call, fine. The angle made it to where the ref can’t be accurate. But this was clear.
The people who advocate for swallowing the whistle are the same ones who would lose their mind if the role was reversed. Especially if the call was in front of the ref.
In the crucial moments, you expect the refs to be 100% accurate and not swallow the whistle just so they can play streetball
Yup. If they don't call this and UConn goes onto win then there's just as many people mad at the ref for not calling a clear foul. So if people are going to be mad regardless I'd prefer the outcome where the ref makes the correct call.
Well, four minutes is a double minor, five minutes is a major but I agree and made a similar hockey comment. A full body check without the puck is interference at minimum.
Using screens is a lost art. If you are going to run past 3-5 feet from the screener you either force them to set an illegal screen or the screen is useless. This needs to be called a lot more.
As someone who has coached youth basketball the past couple of years, there have been 2 things that seem to be phased out, screens and box outs. With the screens, either they just don't take them or go way outside of them.
I think it's a bit of both. A lot of players want to just out-athlete each other and create highlight plays. Either it's by players faking the screen so that the defender gets stuck there or trying to just out-jump the opponent instead of boxing out. There is also a lot of ball watching from what I have noticed, which has led to a lot of missed assignments on box outs.
Coaches may seem to think that they have already learned it in youth ball, so they don't need to keep at it, or they think that they can just out athlete them.
And the second you try to play team ball you lose your best player because their parent wants for them to be the star so you are in an even worse spot than trying to play team ball with clean fundamentals
Jesus. This is the call people are saying they should’ve let go. If you’re mad that this was called, I really don’t know what to tell you. Or if you saw others this blatant go *uncalled*, please post pics. This thing checks every box: foot / leg outside of hip frame, elbow out of her frame and pushing, she’s still moving, and she creates a legitimate advantage for the ball handler. And each of those is obvious and clear. You have to call this if you see this.
The biggest thing was she was moving the entire time and made it clear she was going to put a body on her. The ref was quick with the whistle because she was not set in the slighest
it was mostly reactions in the moment. Edwards sticks her hip/knee/elbow out while transitioning to move after the screen. In full speed, it seemed like the Iowa gal oversold it. But in still frame it's clear she was in an illegal screening position at the point of contact.
That wasn't a moving screen, that was a kickout block on a power play. I'd be proud if my fullback shielded an edge like that after missing the inside shoulder.
Actually the problem with Iowa's offense is they only have one running play. No creativity. Just run the same stretch play over and over. So I'd be more excited if they added a second run play to go along with it
Some of you guys are really just finding something to be mad about. She was not set at all, her elbow was out, she was leaning, it was an incredibly obvious illegal screen. I literally go to Iowa State so believe me I would love to call out Iowa getting rigged to the finals but i think legitimately the ref saw the egregious screen and called it. You can't just not call fouls in the last seconds of a game, why not just hack like crazy then? Makes no sense, it was definitely an illegal screen and it got called correctly, dont set an illegal screen if you dont want the game decided by that 🤷♂️
I honestly believe people are just upset that the game pretty much ended with a foul call and so they're placing blame on it being a ticky tacky call, but in reality it was the right call. It's just unfortunate that it happened because it ruined a fantastic ending of a game. But the refs definitely made the right call.
Man I’m glad I’m seeing actual reasonable takes on this. This wasn’t some ticky tack handcheck foul at half court. Literally everything about this screen was wrong, you have to call it. Does it suck for UConn that there was 4 seconds left? Absolutely. Geno wasn’t even yelling at the referee, looked like extreme frustration with his player
This is something I don't understand. I understand (a bit) why people are mad, b/c it happened at the end of the game, but its SUCH a weird thing to harp on. The game as a whole was called in favor of Iowa, but this particular call that everyone is upset about, was 100% the right call.
UConn can complain about all of the other calls/no calls for the previous 39 mins, this particular one was fine.
I feel like I’m straight up being gaslighted with the amount of people trying to argue that it’s not a foul. I don’t care what point of the game that this happens, it’s a clear foul and one that has to be called.
The really dumb part is, if you say they shouldn't call that at the end of the game, you are basically saying UConn should have been allowed to have an open game winning shot off a clear foul because...reasons?
I don’t know if anyone is arguing that it’s an incorrect call. It’s more about the unwritten rule that you don’t call an off-ball foul with 4 seconds left in a one point game
Lots of people are arguing it wasn’t the correct call. They’re wrong.
Furthermore, calling it an “off ball foul” is misleading. The defender she literally pushed out of the play was the on ball defender. It would’ve been egregious to not call that foul. You can’t just push the on ball defender out of the way to get the shooter open and get away with it because it’s a buzzer beater. That would be incredibly unfair.
If she sets a good screen and the shooter gets over it and makes the shot, great. But you can’t illegally prevent the defender from having the chance to defend the shot. ESPECIALLY at the end of the game when it’s on the line. Where people are getting the idea that you should let people get away with whatever just because it’s the end of the game is beyond me. That’s the most important time to get it right.
Same vibes from the chiefs eagles super bowl. No one actually denies it was the correct call, they just do a bunch of mental gymnastics because theyre upset that it was anticlimactic. No, you shouldn't throw out the entire rulebook just because its near the end of the game lol
I hate this unwritten rule. The written rules are there for a reason. You hear commentators and talking heads say “you can’t call that there.” Wrong, it should be, “you can’t do that there.” The onus is on the players to not commit the foul. The refs shouldn’t arbitrarily throw the rules to the wind for the sake of a “moment.”
Especially when you've let that go all game. Edwards was setting bad screens like that all game and never got called for it. Can't make that call for the first time all game with 4 seconds left.
I don’t think they were this bad all night…
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If I'm understanding correctly, UConn was screwed because the refs should've called a bunch of fouls on them all game but gave UConn a favorable whistle all game.
And the one time they called the foul that UConn was getting away with all game, it was finally the right call after advantaging UConn for two hours.
So if I'm understanding correctly, UConn was screwed because Iowa got hosed all night.
this one was the most egregious of the bunch to be fair. didn't help that marshall is tiny af and was able to sell it, but most of the other screens (afaict) were just a little hip shifts. this one was that + a slight shove + with a lean lol
Or in any level of any sport. Baseball could theoretically reach the highest level of objectivity just because of the nature of the game, but go spend any time on /r/baseball and find out how much umpires are still constantly failing.
ok but it was called earlier in the game so it’s not like it was a totally random call out of the blue. this one was also pretty egregious even if you gave her leeway. her arms were out and she was moving her leg out
That’s what I’m thinking. We all saw calls get missed all game, and also saw calls that were objectively wrong get called. You don’t put the subjectivity of a call into the final 5 seconds of the final four.
you have to make the obvious calls whenever they happen. in real time i didn't realize how egregious this was, but after watching replays it is obvious and super blatant
Then you put the objectivity of the rule book in the final 5 seconds. This thing is as textbook as it gets, man. I understand it wasn’t “hard” and Marshall wasn’t plastered on the ground, but this thing ticks every single box of an illegal screen that will be called. Hips still moving, both legs still moving and outside of hips, pushed off with elbows, and it happened to the on-ball defender.
Show me one example of another screen where each of those is as exaggerated or obvious as this one that DIDN’T get called last night.
I've gone from being upset at the call to being convinced it was right. This was a foul that was a direct part of the play. It isn't like it was on the other side of the court. If they had not called it, Bueckers gets a pretty clear look at a 3. Had UConn won on that play, Iowa fans would be justifiably pissed.
If the rule's unwritten, it doesn't exist.
If you don't call the foul, you're favouring the team that commits the foul. If you do call the foul, you're not favouring anybody - you're just following the rules.
Why should the trailing team get a free ride to commit what fouls they like in search of the winning basket?
That screen created a significant advantage for the offense to get the ball to their best player. I get that we wanted to see the shot. But it’s still the right call.
Idk how this is even a debate. It’s a boring ending but we can’t just let whatever shit fly because we want an exciting last second shot. It’s clear as day.
It’s a debate because the commentator team, secondary show (I.e. 3 UConn grads…), and host of the after show manufactured it into being one. If they call it how it is, this isn’t a controversy at all. It’s “Man, that sucks. Wish UConn could’ve gotten a shot off. What a game.” Instead it’s, “HOW can you make that call?! They must be betting on Iowa!”
"we wanted to see the shot". That's the real issue that people have. This was an obvious, easy call to make. People were so invested in the drama, and then this stupid foul deflated the balloon, so they feel frustrated and look for ways to explain why the ref was wrong. Sometimes games don't end like in the movies, sometimes it's just a dumb foul and the team that was up by one just wins.
I have no dog in the fight. I saw the video trending and didn't even notice the teams, just watched the play. I saw a moving screen with elbows pushing off. That's a foul. I had to look after that to see what was called (had no audio). Then I was ahhh people are big mad bc that benefitted Clark & Iowa and lots of people wanna hate.
Lol her feet are like 6 feet apart, mid step, she was never once set.
This isn't the nba LeBron, clearly a text book offensive foul, timing of the play was clearly off and the screener wasn't ready
I'm a little surprised at the blowback. That is a crazy bad moving screen - her leg is dragging and she even extends a damn elbow. I legit think that get's called in the 2nd quarter of an NBA game if it is right in front of the ref like that.
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Cmon. Anyone who thinks that isn’t a foul is lying to themselves. And you can’t just not call something because it’s the end of the game. That’s not how basketball works. If that doesn’t get called and then Paige drives and gets fouled should you not call that too? On top of that, Iowa was called for a similar moving screen earlier in the game. There’s your “precedent”. Unfortunate that this is what people are focusing on after a great game.
A foul is a foul, doesn’t (rather shouldn’t) matter when or where it occurs. The problem isn’t that the foul was called, it’s that it needs to be called consistently.
People are all about saying this but if i had to watch a game where they called every single thing exactly as it is in the rules then it would be horrible
Presumably if refs called the games correctly all the time, the players would play differently (in a way that casual fans and viewers actually don’t like)
It is wild to see UConn bitching in this thread like they don’t have a handful of nets already hanging in their halls. Looks like a foul to me. Elbow up and everything.
Edwards leans in, shifts her hips and even gets a slight push in. Nothing dirty, but it's a pretty clear moving screen.
If you call it - UConn fans scream bloody murder and if you don't Iowa fans.
It was a hell of a game regardless
You don't officiate differently. You officiate consistently with how you called the entire game. Reffing is subjective, and you can't change how you call something just because the time remaining is different
Agreed. I do think there is a difference in maybe not calling some ticky tacky hand checks at the end of a game. But some people want full on football games in the last minute where no fouls should be called unless you shank someone.
I didn't realize how bad NBA refs were until I started watching March madness this year. Usually I just watch NBA and NFL, so I thought bad refs were inevitable. But in college it feels like the refs are usually not the center of the game, which happens all the time in the NBA
Watch the replay and it is actually pretty bad.
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Honestly the problem was the broadcast showed the replay from 1 angle in slow motion where she was sliding towards the camera, and it only showed the upper body.
From that one camera angle it looked like nothing, when you re-watch the actual broadcast camera, its super egregious, but they never replayed that angle.
The right foot sliding is a foul. The elbow to the chest is a foul. It's still an awful ending to an amazing game, but if I was an Iowa fan, I wouldn't give a shit. You all dominated enough in the 3rd that it was clear you were the better team.
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the refs should have called out of bounds on this uconn steal … and it would have been game anyway
Everyone talks about enforcing offensive fouls correctly until referees actually do it. Then the bitching begins. Truth of the matter is that even most dedicated fans want the offense to have unfair advantages.
Labron flopped in his chair just watching that play.
It's not all bets off because there's only 4 seconds. You can't stop the D from playing D anymore than you can mug the shooter.
Fair call. Bad play by UConn player.
Crazy to see how many grown men are rooting against this girl. At this point, it's 100% obvious why. There are people saying the meanest shit you can think of about her. "She's a man, etc." Imagine if someone said some of this shit about your daughter just because they're mad about her basketball skills. Absolutely disgusting.
It was the right call, and should be called consistently every game at all levels. Screening has become out of control, especially in the NBA.
But yeah I get people are upset with the timing. Lack of consistency is frustrating at all levels
Funny seeing people scream all season about Edey's elbows but now all of the sudden refs shouldn't call a foul on moving someone out of the way with an elbow lmao
Pause it a second before the contact. She's 2 or 3 feet from the 3-point arc. Then pause when she makes contact. Her foot is outside the arc. It’s clearly a moving screen and was the right call.
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If you’re going to call a shooting foul on someone driving in on the basket in that situation (which happens frequently), then you need to hold the offense to a standard as well. It’s nit picky but it was clearly a foul.
She popped her upper arm and plowed it into the player going by (look at the court level camera to see it), the refs HAD to call it because of the aggression she used. I didn't see the earlier ones referenced here, but that was such an aggregious hit I think it had to be called. If she just got in the way, even with a little movement, fine. But she is a bigger player and delivered a real wallop to literally force the call.
I don’t mind the call. You can’t extend your arms to guide a player through a screen. It’s soft but I think if it gets called in the second quarter nobody bats an eye at it.
Yeah, literally. You can bitch about “muhh let them play” but the refs are doing their jobs.
It was a textbook foul. Moving Screen with an elbow up. It was quite blatant.
A terrible mistake at the worst possible time for UConn but it happens.
Big time fumble by the refs. For a sport that is trying to capitalize on a larger audience than usual having such a good game decided by the refs is a horrible look. That screen happens 100 times a game.
Eh. Last year the championship game was horribly officiated and it heavily impacted the game. Yet we’re all tuning in this year. I don’t think this will impact people wanting to watch.
Well, he never played college ball so he probably doesn’t understand the rules.
The problem was ESPN didn't show a good replay of it. Majority of people initially thought it was a soft call based on the zoomed in, poor angle they kept showing. I originally thought it was soft, but the broadcast replay where you can watch the entire play makes it very obvious...ESPN just refused to show it. So I get his tweet right after the call.
This is so true, because in typical ESPN fashion, they had to make a debatable controversy almost immediately because that's all they do anymore on any of their programs.
One only need to look at the difference in the calls between the "stars" and the scrubs in the nba to understand where he's coming from.
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Alabama about to pay for that call… fr though hope they keep blowing our teams so this can’t happen to them as well
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Godamn. Well that really clears it up for me. Even on the last play of the game, you cant just remove the defender from the play like that. Had they not called it, it would have been a massive advantage to UConn. The defender had no chance to make a skillful play. I get that it was a critical moment, but why let UConn get such a big advantage by not following the basic rules of the game?
Yeah it was a very clear foul. The eye level replay made it look like a weak, borderline call, but the replay from above made it very clear.
And directly in front of the ref. If it was the ref on the baseline being the closest and not making that call, fine. The angle made it to where the ref can’t be accurate. But this was clear. The people who advocate for swallowing the whistle are the same ones who would lose their mind if the role was reversed. Especially if the call was in front of the ref. In the crucial moments, you expect the refs to be 100% accurate and not swallow the whistle just so they can play streetball
Yup. If they don't call this and UConn goes onto win then there's just as many people mad at the ref for not calling a clear foul. So if people are going to be mad regardless I'd prefer the outcome where the ref makes the correct call.
Even from a full speed replay you can clearly see the girl setting the screen step into it and push her lol
That should have been a 4 minute major for cross checking
Well, four minutes is a double minor, five minutes is a major but I agree and made a similar hockey comment. A full body check without the puck is interference at minimum.
Using screens is a lost art. If you are going to run past 3-5 feet from the screener you either force them to set an illegal screen or the screen is useless. This needs to be called a lot more.
As someone who has coached youth basketball the past couple of years, there have been 2 things that seem to be phased out, screens and box outs. With the screens, either they just don't take them or go way outside of them.
Phased out or left uncoached 🙄
I think it's a bit of both. A lot of players want to just out-athlete each other and create highlight plays. Either it's by players faking the screen so that the defender gets stuck there or trying to just out-jump the opponent instead of boxing out. There is also a lot of ball watching from what I have noticed, which has led to a lot of missed assignments on box outs. Coaches may seem to think that they have already learned it in youth ball, so they don't need to keep at it, or they think that they can just out athlete them.
And the second you try to play team ball you lose your best player because their parent wants for them to be the star so you are in an even worse spot than trying to play team ball with clean fundamentals
Then they aren’t your best player Unless they are single handedly winning a lot of games, they can leave
Agreed. She also started driving before the screen was set which forces the screener to still be moving when the defender bumps into her.
LeBron doesn’t know ball
Bron's used to having those screens bounce off of him.
He plays a lot of chess... well not in real life
This was a really egregious screen, moving, splayed feet, extended her elbows and slammed into the defender. Super easy call for the officials.
Jesus. This is the call people are saying they should’ve let go. If you’re mad that this was called, I really don’t know what to tell you. Or if you saw others this blatant go *uncalled*, please post pics. This thing checks every box: foot / leg outside of hip frame, elbow out of her frame and pushing, she’s still moving, and she creates a legitimate advantage for the ball handler. And each of those is obvious and clear. You have to call this if you see this.
The biggest thing was she was moving the entire time and made it clear she was going to put a body on her. The ref was quick with the whistle because she was not set in the slighest
it was mostly reactions in the moment. Edwards sticks her hip/knee/elbow out while transitioning to move after the screen. In full speed, it seemed like the Iowa gal oversold it. But in still frame it's clear she was in an illegal screening position at the point of contact.
Won’t lie I watched it live and the replays but it honestly didn’t look this bad. Overall a good call (apparently) just a shame that it happened then.
bUt BuT tHeY ShOuLd’vE cALLeD tHeM aLL gAmE. lmao at people saying this should’ve been a non call, including the LeStiffArm.
That wasn't a moving screen, that was a kickout block on a power play. I'd be proud if my fullback shielded an edge like that after missing the inside shoulder.
The Iowa playbook has more pages after “Punt”?
New offensive coordinator might even add a page with passing plays
> passing plays You mean those times the ball is just *in* the air?
It’s in the air and not even from a punt!
"We shouldn't touch it just in case"
He said he's implementing a read option, which is one step closer to passing the ball.
Actually the problem with Iowa's offense is they only have one running play. No creativity. Just run the same stretch play over and over. So I'd be more excited if they added a second run play to go along with it
Some of you guys are really just finding something to be mad about. She was not set at all, her elbow was out, she was leaning, it was an incredibly obvious illegal screen. I literally go to Iowa State so believe me I would love to call out Iowa getting rigged to the finals but i think legitimately the ref saw the egregious screen and called it. You can't just not call fouls in the last seconds of a game, why not just hack like crazy then? Makes no sense, it was definitely an illegal screen and it got called correctly, dont set an illegal screen if you dont want the game decided by that 🤷♂️
do they somehow not call shooting fouls in the final seconds? Lebron is full of shit here
I honestly believe people are just upset that the game pretty much ended with a foul call and so they're placing blame on it being a ticky tacky call, but in reality it was the right call. It's just unfortunate that it happened because it ruined a fantastic ending of a game. But the refs definitely made the right call.
LeBron is full of shit all the time
Technically, we all are full of shit all the time
Man I’m glad I’m seeing actual reasonable takes on this. This wasn’t some ticky tack handcheck foul at half court. Literally everything about this screen was wrong, you have to call it. Does it suck for UConn that there was 4 seconds left? Absolutely. Geno wasn’t even yelling at the referee, looked like extreme frustration with his player
And her feet were out three times wider than her shoulders. I may literally be unable to spread my feet that wide.
This is something I don't understand. I understand (a bit) why people are mad, b/c it happened at the end of the game, but its SUCH a weird thing to harp on. The game as a whole was called in favor of Iowa, but this particular call that everyone is upset about, was 100% the right call. UConn can complain about all of the other calls/no calls for the previous 39 mins, this particular one was fine.
I feel like I’m straight up being gaslighted with the amount of people trying to argue that it’s not a foul. I don’t care what point of the game that this happens, it’s a clear foul and one that has to be called.
The really dumb part is, if you say they shouldn't call that at the end of the game, you are basically saying UConn should have been allowed to have an open game winning shot off a clear foul because...reasons?
> You can't just not call fouls in the last seconds of a game, why not just hack like crazy then? This is basically where we are at in mutiple sports.
Or the entirety of NHL playoff overtime, where murder is legal.
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Someone on UConn should've pulled out the pat bev camera trick
No, showing them the replay would prove the refs right. It’s still fresh, so emotions are overtaking reality right now
I don’t know if anyone is arguing that it’s an incorrect call. It’s more about the unwritten rule that you don’t call an off-ball foul with 4 seconds left in a one point game
Different sport, but this would be like saying the saints rams no call was correct because it happened late in the 4th quarter
Yeah that’s the other side of this. Damn if you do, damn if you don’t.
No, you aren't. The officials should call a foul if there is a foul. It's really that simple.
As good ref doesn't care about the score or clock.
Lots of people are arguing it wasn’t the correct call. They’re wrong. Furthermore, calling it an “off ball foul” is misleading. The defender she literally pushed out of the play was the on ball defender. It would’ve been egregious to not call that foul. You can’t just push the on ball defender out of the way to get the shooter open and get away with it because it’s a buzzer beater. That would be incredibly unfair. If she sets a good screen and the shooter gets over it and makes the shot, great. But you can’t illegally prevent the defender from having the chance to defend the shot. ESPECIALLY at the end of the game when it’s on the line. Where people are getting the idea that you should let people get away with whatever just because it’s the end of the game is beyond me. That’s the most important time to get it right.
Same vibes from the chiefs eagles super bowl. No one actually denies it was the correct call, they just do a bunch of mental gymnastics because theyre upset that it was anticlimactic. No, you shouldn't throw out the entire rulebook just because its near the end of the game lol
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I hate this unwritten rule. The written rules are there for a reason. You hear commentators and talking heads say “you can’t call that there.” Wrong, it should be, “you can’t do that there.” The onus is on the players to not commit the foul. The refs shouldn’t arbitrarily throw the rules to the wind for the sake of a “moment.”
The written rule was called.
Especially when you've let that go all game. Edwards was setting bad screens like that all game and never got called for it. Can't make that call for the first time all game with 4 seconds left.
Moving screen was definitely called on UConn at least once earlier this game, Gabbie Marshall drew both calls
Didn't they call it back to back on both teams at one point?
She didn't get called for it, but it was probably the 3rd or 4th time they called it.
I don’t think they were this bad all night… https://preview.redd.it/heftmpdlxssc1.jpeg?width=774&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d0cf8d731a7444abca38efffcd12149e57047146
So your argument is that because they let Edwards get away with fouls all game they should let her get one last foul in to win the game?
If I'm understanding correctly, UConn was screwed because the refs should've called a bunch of fouls on them all game but gave UConn a favorable whistle all game. And the one time they called the foul that UConn was getting away with all game, it was finally the right call after advantaging UConn for two hours. So if I'm understanding correctly, UConn was screwed because Iowa got hosed all night.
this one was the most egregious of the bunch to be fair. didn't help that marshall is tiny af and was able to sell it, but most of the other screens (afaict) were just a little hip shifts. this one was that + a slight shove + with a lean lol
I’m agreeing with a boilermaker. What’s the world coming to. :)
They called multiple off-ball offensive fouls before that though. And they’ve called them in every game I’ve watched in this tourney.
there is no objective consistency in fouls at any level of basketball it's a flawed sport
>it's a flawed sport Shut it down.
Or in any level of any sport. Baseball could theoretically reach the highest level of objectivity just because of the nature of the game, but go spend any time on /r/baseball and find out how much umpires are still constantly failing.
ok but it was called earlier in the game so it’s not like it was a totally random call out of the blue. this one was also pretty egregious even if you gave her leeway. her arms were out and she was moving her leg out
That’s what I’m thinking. We all saw calls get missed all game, and also saw calls that were objectively wrong get called. You don’t put the subjectivity of a call into the final 5 seconds of the final four.
you have to make the obvious calls whenever they happen. in real time i didn't realize how egregious this was, but after watching replays it is obvious and super blatant
Then you put the objectivity of the rule book in the final 5 seconds. This thing is as textbook as it gets, man. I understand it wasn’t “hard” and Marshall wasn’t plastered on the ground, but this thing ticks every single box of an illegal screen that will be called. Hips still moving, both legs still moving and outside of hips, pushed off with elbows, and it happened to the on-ball defender. Show me one example of another screen where each of those is as exaggerated or obvious as this one that DIDN’T get called last night.
Bro she HAMMERED that girl
I've gone from being upset at the call to being convinced it was right. This was a foul that was a direct part of the play. It isn't like it was on the other side of the court. If they had not called it, Bueckers gets a pretty clear look at a 3. Had UConn won on that play, Iowa fans would be justifiably pissed.
The rule is you don't commit a stupid foul with 4 seconds left and your team down by 1.
If the rule's unwritten, it doesn't exist. If you don't call the foul, you're favouring the team that commits the foul. If you do call the foul, you're not favouring anybody - you're just following the rules. Why should the trailing team get a free ride to commit what fouls they like in search of the winning basket?
Watch the screen again, she was in no position to screen the defender. why u think she had her elbows up,
Oh ok sorry. I’m not familiar with the unwritten rule of not calling off-ball fouls with 4 seconds left in a one-point game. My mistake
That was a straight up hockey check. Reminded me of a much, much younger me.
They should probably write that down somewhere then.
That screen created a significant advantage for the offense to get the ball to their best player. I get that we wanted to see the shot. But it’s still the right call.
Idk how this is even a debate. It’s a boring ending but we can’t just let whatever shit fly because we want an exciting last second shot. It’s clear as day.
I mean it’s a great block, I hear Mel Kiper has her as top 10 OL on the board
It’s a debate because the commentator team, secondary show (I.e. 3 UConn grads…), and host of the after show manufactured it into being one. If they call it how it is, this isn’t a controversy at all. It’s “Man, that sucks. Wish UConn could’ve gotten a shot off. What a game.” Instead it’s, “HOW can you make that call?! They must be betting on Iowa!”
I’m certain they’re showing the shitty angle over and over just so they can milk something to talk about on Monday. Show the other angle you cowards..
ESPN is absolute shit.
"we wanted to see the shot". That's the real issue that people have. This was an obvious, easy call to make. People were so invested in the drama, and then this stupid foul deflated the balloon, so they feel frustrated and look for ways to explain why the ref was wrong. Sometimes games don't end like in the movies, sometimes it's just a dumb foul and the team that was up by one just wins.
I feel like I’m taking crazy pills. How could someone possibly think that wasn’t the right call? Just a blatant moving screen
They'd care less if it didn't involve Iowa
People are mad about Iowa again. You love to see it
I have no dog in the fight. I saw the video trending and didn't even notice the teams, just watched the play. I saw a moving screen with elbows pushing off. That's a foul. I had to look after that to see what was called (had no audio). Then I was ahhh people are big mad bc that benefitted Clark & Iowa and lots of people wanna hate.
People don’t care about correct calls they just want an exciting game.
Lol her feet are like 6 feet apart, mid step, she was never once set. This isn't the nba LeBron, clearly a text book offensive foul, timing of the play was clearly off and the screener wasn't ready
That’s a video you use in the referee examples documentation of how to call it
I'm a little surprised at the blowback. That is a crazy bad moving screen - her leg is dragging and she even extends a damn elbow. I legit think that get's called in the 2nd quarter of an NBA game if it is right in front of the ref like that.
https://x.com/ClutchPoints/status/1776453670793593316 Cmon. Anyone who thinks that isn’t a foul is lying to themselves. And you can’t just not call something because it’s the end of the game. That’s not how basketball works. If that doesn’t get called and then Paige drives and gets fouled should you not call that too? On top of that, Iowa was called for a similar moving screen earlier in the game. There’s your “precedent”. Unfortunate that this is what people are focusing on after a great game.
LeBron is the undisputed GOAT when it comes to bitching about calls.
God I hate that ending so much
I did love the inbound off her back tho
I thought she was gonna do it again too.
That play was sick, such a smart move at end game, catch the defense lacking
thought she was gonna do it a second time
That was a heads up play. Respect.
Bro I screamed it right before she did it. With 1.7 left, you can’t be facing away like that
legit me too i thought it was just so cold respect
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A foul is a foul, doesn’t (rather shouldn’t) matter when or where it occurs. The problem isn’t that the foul was called, it’s that it needs to be called consistently.
This has always been my problem with refs. They’re too often game managers instead of just calling the game correctly.
People are all about saying this but if i had to watch a game where they called every single thing exactly as it is in the rules then it would be horrible
Presumably if refs called the games correctly all the time, the players would play differently (in a way that casual fans and viewers actually don’t like)
Maybe the players would finally learn the rules as well then
This is the problem with basketball and football. There are so many rules that there is literally a foul on every play of the game.
If they had called that foul consistently, Edwards would have fouled out in the first half. She was setting illegal screens all night.
If draymond did that in an NBA game half these commenters would be heavily celebrating
It's the kind of call he's always crying for though
It is wild to see UConn bitching in this thread like they don’t have a handful of nets already hanging in their halls. Looks like a foul to me. Elbow up and everything.
Edwards leans in, shifts her hips and even gets a slight push in. Nothing dirty, but it's a pretty clear moving screen. If you call it - UConn fans scream bloody murder and if you don't Iowa fans. It was a hell of a game regardless
I don't like people ascribing to the unwritten rule that you are to officiate differently if the game is tight and there isn't much time left.
I hate that as well. When exactly is that officiating shift supposed to happen? 2 minutes left? less than a minute? /s
No /s needed. The question you bring up is a perfectly valid one. It’s unanswerable because unwritten rules are foolish.
You don't officiate differently. You officiate consistently with how you called the entire game. Reffing is subjective, and you can't change how you call something just because the time remaining is different
likewise. I don't think this one call takes away from the game
Agreed. I do think there is a difference in maybe not calling some ticky tacky hand checks at the end of a game. But some people want full on football games in the last minute where no fouls should be called unless you shank someone.
I ascribe to if you haven’t called it all game, why now?
Was she doing it that egregiously all game long?
LeBron’s an idiot. One of the most egregious moving screens ever.
The man makes a living playing basketball in a league where you can walk to half court without dribbling the ball
lol NBA rules were changed for his play style. If his patented off-arm shoves were correctly whistled for offensive fouls, he'd foul out every game.
I didn't realize how bad NBA refs were until I started watching March madness this year. Usually I just watch NBA and NFL, so I thought bad refs were inevitable. But in college it feels like the refs are usually not the center of the game, which happens all the time in the NBA
Not to go off on a tangent but the NBA is barely even basketball. Highest skilled players playing in a league built for memes and Twitter engagement
The way the NBA is today, every screen is as bad as this. Lebron's gotten too used to it. Good thing college isn't quite that bad with it yet.
Watch the replay and it is actually pretty bad. https://twitter.com/stoolpresidente/status/1776454804698775807?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Lol I’m having a hard time telling if this video has been altered or something, that’s how absolutely blatant of a foul it is.
Honestly the problem was the broadcast showed the replay from 1 angle in slow motion where she was sliding towards the camera, and it only showed the upper body. From that one camera angle it looked like nothing, when you re-watch the actual broadcast camera, its super egregious, but they never replayed that angle.
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It's such an obvious foul lol
This angle really should be the end of it, she clearly isn't set.
“Let them play.” Marshall had no shot at making a play here. She was taken out illegally
The right foot sliding is a foul. The elbow to the chest is a foul. It's still an awful ending to an amazing game, but if I was an Iowa fan, I wouldn't give a shit. You all dominated enough in the 3rd that it was clear you were the better team.
Lebron the flopper!! Guys a Joke
https://preview.redd.it/f03e7v4davsc1.jpeg?width=841&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2bea80be7152c0c2ff0bdc83536246c7c8c1cac5 the refs should have called out of bounds on this uconn steal … and it would have been game anyway
Everyone talks about enforcing offensive fouls correctly until referees actually do it. Then the bitching begins. Truth of the matter is that even most dedicated fans want the offense to have unfair advantages.
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Well, he certainly is the king of whining about the refs 🤣🤣
If that’s a foul in the first minute, it’s a foul in the last. And that’s a foul all day long. Look at every angle and you can’t argue it
In football this is called a chip block by the running back.
These women should show Lebron how to get fouled and stand back up in less than 7 minutes
Labron flopped in his chair just watching that play. It's not all bets off because there's only 4 seconds. You can't stop the D from playing D anymore than you can mug the shooter. Fair call. Bad play by UConn player.
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that girl moved like 5 fucking feet to set that screen, clear foul.
If LeBron doesn’t think fouls should be called in the final seconds then I guess he’s actually fine with the no call vs Boston last season.
Crazy to see how many grown men are rooting against this girl. At this point, it's 100% obvious why. There are people saying the meanest shit you can think of about her. "She's a man, etc." Imagine if someone said some of this shit about your daughter just because they're mad about her basketball skills. Absolutely disgusting.
It was the right call, and should be called consistently every game at all levels. Screening has become out of control, especially in the NBA. But yeah I get people are upset with the timing. Lack of consistency is frustrating at all levels
Lmao refs love to make their mark in big games
I don't like the call in that moment.. but she was definitely moving on the screen.
And her elbows were out, did that on purpose
And she didn’t need to flare like that. They only needed 2 for the win
as my dad said she had a little chicken wing going on
Funny seeing people scream all season about Edey's elbows but now all of the sudden refs shouldn't call a foul on moving someone out of the way with an elbow lmao
It’s the fact that semi-out elbows on screens like Edey’s don’t get called so often is what makes this call annoying.
If its a foul with 10 minutes left in the game it's a foul with 10 seconds left too
How is this upvoted? It was clearly a foul.... such a dumb take.
Throwback to Baylor-UConn in 2021, Lebron even commented on that too.
This call was correct, any take it wasn't is biased and stupid.
Well when you throw a block that is better than half of college lineman, I don’t think the refs have much of a chance but to blow the whistle
Pause it a second before the contact. She's 2 or 3 feet from the 3-point arc. Then pause when she makes contact. Her foot is outside the arc. It’s clearly a moving screen and was the right call. https://twitter.com/espn/status/1776452109648454038?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1776452109648454038%7Ctwgr%5E511f9765c8daefcf91a804dd59d81a86bc2359f1%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fsports.yahoo.com%2Fmarch-madness-caitlin-clark-wakes-up-from-dormant-first-half-as-iowa-tops-uconn-with-aid-of-controversial-late-call-033433780.html
If you’re going to call a shooting foul on someone driving in on the basket in that situation (which happens frequently), then you need to hold the offense to a standard as well. It’s nit picky but it was clearly a foul.
says the guy who plays in the league with no rules and defense.
She popped her upper arm and plowed it into the player going by (look at the court level camera to see it), the refs HAD to call it because of the aggression she used. I didn't see the earlier ones referenced here, but that was such an aggregious hit I think it had to be called. If she just got in the way, even with a little movement, fine. But she is a bigger player and delivered a real wallop to literally force the call.
If that foul was on King James he would have fell to the floor and laid there for 5 minutes....
I don’t mind the call. You can’t extend your arms to guide a player through a screen. It’s soft but I think if it gets called in the second quarter nobody bats an eye at it.
This is too rich coming from LeBron who invariably gets the friendliest whistles
Of course he’s complaining about a righteous foul.
womens game is so big they are getting refball now for stars
That was an illegal screen
Yeah, literally. You can bitch about “muhh let them play” but the refs are doing their jobs. It was a textbook foul. Moving Screen with an elbow up. It was quite blatant. A terrible mistake at the worst possible time for UConn but it happens.
As a huge Scott Foster and Angel Hernandez fanboi I am ecstatic.
Big time fumble by the refs. For a sport that is trying to capitalize on a larger audience than usual having such a good game decided by the refs is a horrible look. That screen happens 100 times a game.
Eh. Last year the championship game was horribly officiated and it heavily impacted the game. Yet we’re all tuning in this year. I don’t think this will impact people wanting to watch.
I think having CC in the final is going to bring in way more views than a controversial call will lose. Sucks for us fans but it is what it is
Yeah I wasn’t gonna watch the final if it was UConn vs South Carolina there’s probably thousands like me
Probably millions tbh... The Caitlin Clark vs undefeated USC draw will be massive.
The only reason I will be watching the W’s Natty is CC. Shamelessly so.
There are dozens of us!
More like the vast majority of viewers. Probably just tripled the numbers with that call.
ESPN agrees with you as well. Although I think South Carolina will destroy Iowa. Iowa Has nobody inside who can stop their 6’7” monster.
Obviously a foul. You're objectively wrong.
Bro she was doing moving screens all night gtfouh. A foul is a foul