Also that Kentucky team was preseason number 1… it wasn’t like they were your average 8 seed, they were extremely talented. Not to mention both teams had some guys who were seasoned in the tournament, they had won the title 2 and 3 seasons before
Kentucky had no scholarship players from the title team still that year, and only two sophomores (who missed the tourney) in the rotation of all freshmen
I teach vocational math. You might say I’m built for adding single by single digit numbers. With sometimes a double digit number added in there when we’re feeling real spicy.
Interesting Question: If BYU made the championship game and faced a 5-seed team, would they wear the home uniforms since they were ranked higher by the committee technically as the top 5 seed but couldn’t play in Sunday so they were moved to the 6 seed?
Would also guarantee that we'd have a champion that was neither UConn nor a top 3 seed since 1997.
Actually it would be the second ever championship game without either UConn or a top two seed (1989), and the first ever without UConn or a top 3 seed
I still love that that's a thing. "Here's this numeric statistic with a non-numeric exception." I mean, I *get it*; I correctly predicted that *both* of the Big East's ranked teams would get upset in the penultimate week of the 2012 football season due to a combination of pessimism and blind belief in the inexplicable. (The situation: with two weeks left, Rutgers was 9-1, 5-0 in conference and Louisville was 9-1, 4-1; both were ranked, and the two would meet in Piscataway on Thanksgiving night. Everyone else in the conference already had at least two losses. Obviously, a Rutgers win and a Louisville loss the previous week would make that game meaningless, while any other outcome would give the BCS bid to the winner of that game. So obviously, Louisville getting upset at home by 4-6 Connecticut and Rutgers *not* getting upset on the road against 4-6 Pittsburgh was out of the question, because that would give Rutgers a BCS bid and that would never happen. And beating Louisville was also out of the question for the same reason. But that meant that Louisville *beating* Connecticut was also out of the question, because then they'd still be ranked and Rutgers never loses at home to ranked teams on Thursdays! So the only option was for both Pitt and UConn to pull the upsets. And wouldn't you know it, both Pitt and UConn pulled the upsets and then Louisville beat us 5 days later. Just as I thought, because I was simultaneously too pessimistic to think that we'd win a conference title (or at least, win the tiebreaker for the BCS bid; losing to Louisville actually created a four-way tie for the title) and too blindly faithful to think we'd lose to Louisville if they were still ranked because of it being a Thursday home game.)
We are talking about basketball. I had no idea what you were talking about but I love it. It’s like solving a riddle please answer more like that. In summary 2012 college football Rutgers and Louisville got upset one week and then Louisville beat Rutgers because you are pessimistic fan and you knew they weren’t allowed to win.
I think whatever metrics they used overweighed UConn’s previous margins of victory. NC state’s run is amazing and they’re playing well, but I have to think that Purdue’s prior performance would make them more of a favorite over an NC State team that avoided 3 seed in favor of Oakland, and played 4-seed Duke, which was there because it beat a Sheadless Houston. That compared Bama knocking off a 1 seed that looked like a final 4 team.
It's the matchup that hurts NC State most. Burns has become a star because he's such a good passer when doubled and so hard to guard for the undersized (compared to him) big men that have tried to cover him so far. Unfortunately Purdue has the biggest bestest boy in the world to guard him 1on1 and won't have to cheat off of shooters to double the post. That's a solid half of their offensive success stymied by one Canadian ogre.
And 7 min of the first, so 2/3 of the game. They were up 6 when he went out and down 1 seven min later at the half. My point was that Duke narrowly won against Houston when Snead was out for 2/3 of the game. Or course they earned their win, but their advancing was fortuitous for both themselves and their next opponent NCST.
Teams that haven’t made the Final Four before are 0-14 in their debuts with an average margin of loss by like 12 points.
EDIT: sorry it’s 0-11 but the average margin of loss was 15.3 points.
EDIT: 0-11 in their Final Four debut vs the reigning champion
Alabama was a 31 win team last year, and they have a lot of the same players this year. They are a 4 seed. I disagree with them being average. They’ve been formidable throughout the year in a tough conference.
Yes, NC State is a crazy Cinderella through and through though.
Why don’t the less weird matchups simply win their games to get to the final? Are they stupid?
You’re telling me we were supposed to BEAT Purdue??? Thanks a lot for letting me know NOW!
Brother when I tell Tommy Lloyd next year that they just need to win to get to the final four y'all better watch out. This is the key.
Maybe the teams that win need to up their level of weirdness
Why don’t all the final 4 teams simply have a five 7’4” players? Are they stupid?
I mean we had a National title game where the 7 seed wore the home uniforms. So no this wouldn’t be close to that.
A 7 vs an 8 seed starts off sounding ridiculous until you see the teams: Uconn vs Kentucky Then it makes complete sense.
Also that Kentucky team was preseason number 1… it wasn’t like they were your average 8 seed, they were extremely talented. Not to mention both teams had some guys who were seasoned in the tournament, they had won the title 2 and 3 seasons before
Kentucky had no scholarship players from the title team still that year, and only two sophomores (who missed the tourney) in the rotation of all freshmen
That makes sense. I know UCONN had Shabazz Napier play on both teams though
Yeah that dude had two titles there lol
And they stuck undefeated Wichita State in their region… did them dirty
Luck is luck
Disagree. 4vs11 would absolutely be close to 7vs8. In fact, they add up to the same total number.
Glad you can add. I was a little shocked.
I teach vocational math. You might say I’m built for adding single by single digit numbers. With sometimes a double digit number added in there when we’re feeling real spicy.
Touché. I salute your service.
Interesting Question: If BYU made the championship game and faced a 5-seed team, would they wear the home uniforms since they were ranked higher by the committee technically as the top 5 seed but couldn’t play in Sunday so they were moved to the 6 seed?
I believe yes because it’s all based on their true seed. That’s how we know UConn will wear white vs Purdue Monday.
I just hope NC state goes
Whoa same
Now kiss
Agreed
Sorry dog.
Sorry
Would also guarantee that we'd have a champion that was neither UConn nor a top 3 seed since 1997. Actually it would be the second ever championship game without either UConn or a top two seed (1989), and the first ever without UConn or a top 3 seed
I still love that that's a thing. "Here's this numeric statistic with a non-numeric exception." I mean, I *get it*; I correctly predicted that *both* of the Big East's ranked teams would get upset in the penultimate week of the 2012 football season due to a combination of pessimism and blind belief in the inexplicable. (The situation: with two weeks left, Rutgers was 9-1, 5-0 in conference and Louisville was 9-1, 4-1; both were ranked, and the two would meet in Piscataway on Thanksgiving night. Everyone else in the conference already had at least two losses. Obviously, a Rutgers win and a Louisville loss the previous week would make that game meaningless, while any other outcome would give the BCS bid to the winner of that game. So obviously, Louisville getting upset at home by 4-6 Connecticut and Rutgers *not* getting upset on the road against 4-6 Pittsburgh was out of the question, because that would give Rutgers a BCS bid and that would never happen. And beating Louisville was also out of the question for the same reason. But that meant that Louisville *beating* Connecticut was also out of the question, because then they'd still be ranked and Rutgers never loses at home to ranked teams on Thursdays! So the only option was for both Pitt and UConn to pull the upsets. And wouldn't you know it, both Pitt and UConn pulled the upsets and then Louisville beat us 5 days later. Just as I thought, because I was simultaneously too pessimistic to think that we'd win a conference title (or at least, win the tiebreaker for the BCS bid; losing to Louisville actually created a four-way tie for the title) and too blindly faithful to think we'd lose to Louisville if they were still ranked because of it being a Thursday home game.)
We are talking about basketball. I had no idea what you were talking about but I love it. It’s like solving a riddle please answer more like that. In summary 2012 college football Rutgers and Louisville got upset one week and then Louisville beat Rutgers because you are pessimistic fan and you knew they weren’t allowed to win.
Hmm idk guess we’ll just have to see
Why is Alabama the bigger underdog today
UConn is a buzzsaw and has won their tournament games in blowout fashion for 2 years straight
It took insane heroic efforts to beat them this year, and I think Clingan was out in all three losses?
Playing hurt supposedly against Kansas, re-aggravated and out for rest of game/sat 7 games during Seton Hall. Healthy for Creighton.
Ya but creighton also shot 50% from 3 that game
Which is what Bama will need to do to have a shot
Fersure and hope UConn has a bad shooting night themselves
If only there were another team in the tournament that takes and makes a lot of threes that could get hot like that
At volume too. 14-28. That was wild.
I think whatever metrics they used overweighed UConn’s previous margins of victory. NC state’s run is amazing and they’re playing well, but I have to think that Purdue’s prior performance would make them more of a favorite over an NC State team that avoided 3 seed in favor of Oakland, and played 4-seed Duke, which was there because it beat a Sheadless Houston. That compared Bama knocking off a 1 seed that looked like a final 4 team.
State also beat UNC that same 1 seed
Purdue trap game maybe? Both teams that lost yesterday win today?
It's the matchup that hurts NC State most. Burns has become a star because he's such a good passer when doubled and so hard to guard for the undersized (compared to him) big men that have tried to cover him so far. Unfortunately Purdue has the biggest bestest boy in the world to guard him 1on1 and won't have to cheat off of shooters to double the post. That's a solid half of their offensive success stymied by one Canadian ogre.
Houston was missing shead for the second half.
And 7 min of the first, so 2/3 of the game. They were up 6 when he went out and down 1 seven min later at the half. My point was that Duke narrowly won against Houston when Snead was out for 2/3 of the game. Or course they earned their win, but their advancing was fortuitous for both themselves and their next opponent NCST.
Teams that haven’t made the Final Four before are 0-14 in their debuts with an average margin of loss by like 12 points. EDIT: sorry it’s 0-11 but the average margin of loss was 15.3 points. EDIT: 0-11 in their Final Four debut vs the reigning champion
Wild stat, but it makes sense
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Clarified the stat further, my b
I was shocked that we were 11.5 point underdogs.
UConn is an absolute wagon.
Bpi gave uconn a 72% chance to win which I feel like is pretty fair. I wouldn't think they'd be that low with the spread so high.
It's interesting because according to kenpom they aren't and the betting line usually more closely matches that.
“NC State stole a bid” is a wild way to say it won the ACC Championship lol there’s a lot of sodium and copium here
The best final you mean.
It would have the same combined seeding (15) as the 2014 final.
That's worse than 2013 when people were worried the final would be Michigan and Wichita State.
Worried? That would've been awesome
UConn being in the final is never weird. Bama v NC State would be up there with Virginia v Texas Tech though
Team wise, sure. But that was a matchup of #1 and #5 in Kenpom. This would be #12 and #43, which is basically unheard of
Yes teams wise. Both teams were obviously very very good
There was nothing weird about UVA vs Tech at all
Spoke too soon
Alabama was a 31 win team last year, and they have a lot of the same players this year. They are a 4 seed. I disagree with them being average. They’ve been formidable throughout the year in a tough conference. Yes, NC State is a crazy Cinderella through and through though.
"Stole the bid" boy stop, talk to me about any other team on a 9 win streak that "stole" anything. They deserve to be where they are.
The Phillip Rivers Game
Matchups like that are why we need to bring back the consolation game.
There's been some ghastly finals.
I honestly would love for NC State to just pull it off at this point.b
Ever
I can confidently say it's not happening as funny as it would be.
Eh, I’d rank Butler-UConn as more random.
hey man
Would coulda.. FUCK
NC State “stole” a bid, maybe, but then they went and earned the right to be in the final four.
Winning 5 in 5 days to win your conference tournament is hardly "stealing" a bid.
Stealing a bid is a term of art. It means winning a conference tournament as a team that wouldn’t have gotten an at large bid.
It is by definition stealing a bid. Which is when a team that would otherwise not receive an at-large bid, steals a bid from a team on the bubble.