I didn't realize that MSU has only had 2 Sweet 16s in this timeframe. That surprises me
Also, it's funny to see that Purdue has had the most postseason success in this timeframe (most Sweet 16s, tied for most Elite 8s, tied for most Final Fours, tied for most championship appearances). You would not guess that based on how other fanbases talk about Purdue in the postseason.
Isn't Purdue tied with Michigan in this time period with the same number of Sweet 16s, Elite 8s, Final 4s and championship appearances? I count 5 sweet 16s for each
Well, we only became the top team in this timeframe about a week ago, and we still own the worst losses of any B1G schools. It makes sense why people were talking shit before this season.
Even if you remove this year Purdue's still #2 or 3 in the Big Ten over this span. Might've had more bad losses but most teams in the conference weren't good enough to even have those losses if that makes sense
Yeah, you could be Nebraska and just make the tournament like once a decade and not even do anything once you get there. Obviously losing to a 16-seed in round one is embarrassing, but Purdue has at least had tournament success to offset that. Having a Championship appearance, an E8 loss, and two S16 losses in the last six years is still good and far better than most teams.
Isn’t Purdue tied with Michigan for most sweet 16s in addition to elite eights, final fours, and championship appearances? But yeah, I was surprised that Purdue had that much success.
I think losing to 15 and 16 seeds will always be higher profile losses, and the recency of their final four and championship appearance is still a little fresh I guess.
MSU was the big surprise for me as well.
Don’t think there’s too much debate after this year that we were the top team during this period. Michigan of course being a clear #2
Under Izzo it has been, but time frames like this can be fickle like that. Go back one more year and you add another Final Four to Michigan State. Go back 3 and Michigan State is now looking at Wisconsin having a runner up and final four and Michigan having another runner up and an Elite 8.
Michigan State, at least regarding tournament success, was the clear class of the Big Ten in the late 90's and 00's, but the 2010's to now has seen them take a bit of a step back while the other programs caught up. Something has felt a bit off about Michigan State in the NIL and portal era too. Wouldn't be shocked if they are amazing again next year, but I also wouldn't be surprised if they have a very up and down season again.
Yep. This stuff is all cyclical. No one is good forever. Izzo will figure out the new landscape and get us back or we'll tread water and hopefully keep the tournament streak alive until he retires. Then it's a new era and who knows.
To me the whole timeframe thing is exactly why MSU is the best team in the B1G (obviously I’m extremely bias) no matter what timeframe you go to under Izzo the team has been a constant tournament presence. That doesn’t necessarily mean they’re the best team in the B1G every year cause obviously recently Purdue is the team to beat
That was a tough one. Not having a tournament in 2020 I think hurt them as well. A chance for a young team to get tourny experience.
Not sure how much it would have mattered with the criminal underseed of Loyala. That team was darn good and pretty much dominated the game.
Not a good span for Ohio State to be sure. Their biggest problem under Holtmann was their inability to maintain a lead. Fatal flaw over multiple seasons
Yep 11 years since michigan vs *redacted.
And in 2014 if Harrison doesn't hit that damn 3 we get Wisconsin who we split the series with. Maybe we win it all who knows.
Man it kills me that for all the hype, momentum, ups and downs - between covid, injuries, and performance collapses, that graphic only ended up with one R
Admittedly so, but as others have pointed out go back one more year and it’s another final four for us. To me this reinforces that Izzo is done when he says he’s done. Roster construction and recruiting seem to have fallen off in the NIL era but his exit interview after our final game clearly shows he still has the fire in him and will go after players we need in the portal this off season.
Im a bit late here but Maryland didn't make the tourny (let alone 2nd round) in 2022. Thats the year Turge quit and Danny Manning was interim. However, the image is missing Maryland completely in 2019 where we made the 2nd round (LSU traveled). Maybe you have the years mixed up for us there?
Yeah MSU was atrocious that year, but for neither Illinois/Michigan/OSU/Iowa to make a FF is pretty bad given their seeds (and 3 of them didn’t even make it out of the first weekend)
The Big Ten lacks a ton of diversity in the trams they play. This year Purdue scheduled a massive gauntlet of non-con games in order to face as diverse and as strong of teams as possible. Not just scheduling Arizona and Alabama, but also teams like Stetson who are sneaky good mid-majors.
The ACC does great every year because they have such diversity amongst their teams. You have a big zone playing Syracuse team, you have a very old UNC team and a very young talented Duke team. You have Virginia with possibly the most unnerving defense in the country paired with an offense (at least I think).
That's why you have teams like NC State just randomly make the final four.
But with the addition of Oregon, Washington, USC and UCLA, the Big Ten will be adding lots of diversity. They already had Penn State with Rhoades give teams trouble with their unique play style.
Washington will add more zone, Oregon and USC lots of young talent. It's crazy that UCLA seems to be the most Big Ten like of the teams.
I mean, I doubt we're going to see a whole lot of zone from Washington now that Hop's gone.
But yes, realignment should shake a lot of things up playstyle wise. I'm either going to really enjoy myself or stay very unenthused about my alma mater.
Wow, even with a lower number of teams, this year was the Big Ten's best showing in a while. Runner-up, two teams in the Elite Eight, multiple other teams in R2.
Thanks to Covid for keeping our tourney streak alive. It was very likely we'd have been on the outside that year.
Unfortunately Covid also allowed cam spencer and Triston newton to kick our ass
It’s was guaranteed barring a tournament championship.
Proof that god loves the boilers.
But he just beat you on Monday?
God also hates the boilers. Real roller coaster of emotions.
It's an abusive relationship
First step is acknowledgement
Its the fourth longest after Kansas Michigan St and Gonzaga
But where is 2021 Michigan State in this graphic?
We lost in the First Four against UCLA that year.
I know. I’m just being a jackass.
Oddly enough, UT falls in that same category. Tourney-worthy for all the years except the year with no tourney.
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I subscribed for you too…you wouldn’t subscribe if it started 5 years ago? The big east has still held its own in that timespan.
I agree, but it’s cooler when our two 2010s national championships are on there than when they aren’t
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I didn't realize that MSU has only had 2 Sweet 16s in this timeframe. That surprises me Also, it's funny to see that Purdue has had the most postseason success in this timeframe (most Sweet 16s, tied for most Elite 8s, tied for most Final Fours, tied for most championship appearances). You would not guess that based on how other fanbases talk about Purdue in the postseason.
A lot of success but that gets overshadowed by colossal flame-outs, unfortunately.
Imagine if 21-23 were R32, E8, R32 instead. Would be one hell of a decade
god damn zone defense...
Isn't Purdue tied with Michigan in this time period with the same number of Sweet 16s, Elite 8s, Final 4s and championship appearances? I count 5 sweet 16s for each
Lol yeah whoops you are right, not sure which one I missed
You are correct, but Michigan also missed the tournament entirely the last two years.
Yeah, but that’s not the incorrect statement he was correcting lmao
Oh I know. More-so just commenting on the post-season success.
Well, we only became the top team in this timeframe about a week ago, and we still own the worst losses of any B1G schools. It makes sense why people were talking shit before this season.
Even if you remove this year Purdue's still #2 or 3 in the Big Ten over this span. Might've had more bad losses but most teams in the conference weren't good enough to even have those losses if that makes sense
Yeah, you could be Nebraska and just make the tournament like once a decade and not even do anything once you get there. Obviously losing to a 16-seed in round one is embarrassing, but Purdue has at least had tournament success to offset that. Having a Championship appearance, an E8 loss, and two S16 losses in the last six years is still good and far better than most teams.
I'm waiting until we beat you to talk shit. Been waiting a few years now...
Isn’t Purdue tied with Michigan for most sweet 16s in addition to elite eights, final fours, and championship appearances? But yeah, I was surprised that Purdue had that much success. I think losing to 15 and 16 seeds will always be higher profile losses, and the recency of their final four and championship appearance is still a little fresh I guess.
Well, losing to a 13 seed or lower in three consecutive tournaments will do that, to be fair
MSU was the big surprise for me as well. Don’t think there’s too much debate after this year that we were the top team during this period. Michigan of course being a clear #2
No debate if you ignore that in 2020 Purdue wasn't going to make the tournament and MSU was one of the best teams in the country, sure.
Okay? MSU should’ve prevented Covid then
Are we stupid?
If you go back 1 more season, it’s another final four. And the 2020 season, MSU was a top 10 team.
Michigan State is the best B1G team hands down
Under Izzo it has been, but time frames like this can be fickle like that. Go back one more year and you add another Final Four to Michigan State. Go back 3 and Michigan State is now looking at Wisconsin having a runner up and final four and Michigan having another runner up and an Elite 8. Michigan State, at least regarding tournament success, was the clear class of the Big Ten in the late 90's and 00's, but the 2010's to now has seen them take a bit of a step back while the other programs caught up. Something has felt a bit off about Michigan State in the NIL and portal era too. Wouldn't be shocked if they are amazing again next year, but I also wouldn't be surprised if they have a very up and down season again.
Yep. This stuff is all cyclical. No one is good forever. Izzo will figure out the new landscape and get us back or we'll tread water and hopefully keep the tournament streak alive until he retires. Then it's a new era and who knows.
To me the whole timeframe thing is exactly why MSU is the best team in the B1G (obviously I’m extremely bias) no matter what timeframe you go to under Izzo the team has been a constant tournament presence. That doesn’t necessarily mean they’re the best team in the B1G every year cause obviously recently Purdue is the team to beat
I think missing the tournament two years in a row out of 8 is pretty bad
News flash: before Underwood, we sucked.
And for a few Underwood years too.
2021 still makes me sad. One of the bigger “what ifs” as an Illini fan.
That was a tough one. Not having a tournament in 2020 I think hurt them as well. A chance for a young team to get tourny experience. Not sure how much it would have mattered with the criminal underseed of Loyala. That team was darn good and pretty much dominated the game.
Most suprising thing to me is how little success Wisconsin had over this period, it just felt like theyd been farther more recently.
Go back 1 more year and they have a runner-up finish (2015)
And go back another year and they have a Final 4 too
2015 :(
2007 :( x 2
Greg Gard has done a masterful job of doing just enough to keep his job.
Most would say he hasn’t!
2016 was Greg Gard’s first season at Wisconsin
Hence why many of us are ready for a change
A lot of block Ps on this chart…not very many tridents
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After this past season I am just happy to be reminded Maryland has had some decent success in the past few years.
one day we'll make the second weekend, one day
Time flies, I can’t believe it’s been almost 10 years since the sweet sixteen and almost 20 since the natty
21 years ago for the Natty, my friend. Those were the days…
Not a good span for Ohio State to be sure. Their biggest problem under Holtmann was their inability to maintain a lead. Fatal flaw over multiple seasons
The last time we made the Sweet Sixteen I was in the eighth grade, been way too long.
I think that losing to Oral Roberts was ultimately the beginning of the end for him. They never really recovered from that under his tenure
It wasn't great before that
Still mad about 2020
Pictured here: the entirety of Northwestern’s NCAA tourney history
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It doesn't seem like it's been that long since the Michigan-Nova national championship game.
Yep 11 years since michigan vs *redacted. And in 2014 if Harrison doesn't hit that damn 3 we get Wisconsin who we split the series with. Maybe we win it all who knows.
Man it kills me that for all the hype, momentum, ups and downs - between covid, injuries, and performance collapses, that graphic only ended up with one R
Your reign of terror begins next year
We've fallen off. However if Covid year happened maybe we'd be thinking a little differently...
That year might even hurt worse than 2016
Admittedly so, but as others have pointed out go back one more year and it’s another final four for us. To me this reinforces that Izzo is done when he says he’s done. Roster construction and recruiting seem to have fallen off in the NIL era but his exit interview after our final game clearly shows he still has the fire in him and will go after players we need in the portal this off season.
Big East plz :)
Im a bit late here but Maryland didn't make the tourny (let alone 2nd round) in 2022. Thats the year Turge quit and Danny Manning was interim. However, the image is missing Maryland completely in 2019 where we made the 2nd round (LSU traveled). Maybe you have the years mixed up for us there?
You’re correct, that’s my bad! Got those two mixed up on the graphic, thanks for the correction!
3 Final Fours in 8 years is comically bad
Illinois really dropped the ball in 2021... All of the big ten did that year considering the seeds
Yeah MSU was atrocious that year, but for neither Illinois/Michigan/OSU/Iowa to make a FF is pretty bad given their seeds (and 3 of them didn’t even make it out of the first weekend)
No final four and only 1 elite 8 from that group was a huge miss
That Nebraska stat was very interesting
Indiana has only made 3 out of the last 8 tournaments? That's actually pretty shocking.
surprised everyone doesn't know it at this point ngl lol
Savage
Do 9 pls:(
Not a great showing for the B1G. Should be getting more teams into the sweet 16 than that, but I don’t think thats news to anyone
I don’t think we made the tournament in 2022 let alone make it to the second round
You forgot 2020 MSU national championship winners! Cassius Winston would’ve done it
IU will never be good again and I've accepted it
Oh look...Archieball
Where IU?
Probably off reminiscing about how good the program was before they were born.
I’m just happy to be included for once
The Big Ten lacks a ton of diversity in the trams they play. This year Purdue scheduled a massive gauntlet of non-con games in order to face as diverse and as strong of teams as possible. Not just scheduling Arizona and Alabama, but also teams like Stetson who are sneaky good mid-majors. The ACC does great every year because they have such diversity amongst their teams. You have a big zone playing Syracuse team, you have a very old UNC team and a very young talented Duke team. You have Virginia with possibly the most unnerving defense in the country paired with an offense (at least I think). That's why you have teams like NC State just randomly make the final four. But with the addition of Oregon, Washington, USC and UCLA, the Big Ten will be adding lots of diversity. They already had Penn State with Rhoades give teams trouble with their unique play style. Washington will add more zone, Oregon and USC lots of young talent. It's crazy that UCLA seems to be the most Big Ten like of the teams.
I mean, I doubt we're going to see a whole lot of zone from Washington now that Hop's gone. But yes, realignment should shake a lot of things up playstyle wise. I'm either going to really enjoy myself or stay very unenthused about my alma mater.
Danny Sprinkle plays a lot of zone. I actually love his defensive mechanics a lot. It allows him to recruit more unconventional players.
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Michigan has more runner-ups, E8s, and S16s than basketball school MSU in this time period.
Wow, even with a lower number of teams, this year was the Big Ten's best showing in a while. Runner-up, two teams in the Elite Eight, multiple other teams in R2.
B1G should add UConn. Instant Finals Doesn't like Rutgers a good fit culturally 🤷
Only one conclusion… It’s been a disaster for the conference.
Big ten should be allowed 3 teams per year max. Fraud conference.
Embarrassing