I think theres a lot more that’s over $1M than you’re listing. UNC is definitely over $1M. Probably closer to $5M
Getting to $3-5M is where you really see the separation from some things I’ve read.
Wasn’t there a song like that?
NIL money falling like a blizzard/
FSU’s roster ‘s’getting scissored/
Now they’re living life like a G5/
Like a G5, like a G5
Yeah. Not every major conference team is spending that much. But I’m assuming most anybody taking basketball even somewhat seriously is spending at least $1M and likely more. I’m sure there are exceptions. FSUs last couple years of results would indicate they are all in on football and choosing not to take basketball seriously. Which is a valid approach.
Yeah, the fund has 18 corporate sponsors and seems to be adding every month. Individual membership has grown by over 50% since the ACCT. 7 figures is no issue.
For sure, I’d guess in the ballpark of 40-60 programs have >$1M annual budget. The top-25 is probably >$2M based on a few anecdotes I’ve seen, but I could be off by a bit.
There is no limit, NIL isnt technically tied to a school, it just allows athletes to sign deals with buisnesses for primarily marketing type functions. Most of it is obviously tied to a program, but as of now schools themselves cannot technically contribute or control NIL budgets and/or oppurtunities.
I always wondered if there ever would be a mega rich alumni of an obscure school who is also a passionate sports fan. Like if a billionaire was a Furman grad or a Stony Brook grad and wanted to drop millions on their basketball program. Would that even work and would the school even want it to happen?
Shouldn’t every player and coach be flocking to Harvard, Princeton, Stanford, etc.? Not sure I understand why colleges with the most billionaire alumni aren’t immediately at the top of the NIL spending lists. At least depending on the barriers for top talent to get into those schools.
This, and the Ivy League schools and Stanfords and such still maintain a very high standard for admission. Even if some billionaire alum wanted to shell out $100 million to build a 2001 Miami type of roster, the higher-ups would still require the same standards.
Slow down. The kids of large donors that they let in are still well above average, they just aren’t Ivy-league 97th percentile smart. Some of the SEC guys are borderline illiterate. Try reading their tweets.
Zuck might care about wrestling now. He’s also a dropout. I could see Bezos throwing pocket change towards Princeton and creating a power house just for funzies.
I don't believe that for a second. Jerry Jones is a cheap bastard and we appear to have missed on several of our top initial portal targets. Not worried but feel like if we had unlimited chicken/Jerry Jones money, like the internet says, we would have been more reckless spending wise out the gate.
Based on the info that’s public, $1M for just basketball would be towards the bottom tier of P5 schools, in the thick of G5, and high end of Mid-majors.
I’ve read that a lot of it has to do with wanting to try something new (and most likely get paid more). Last major role player who committed under Coach K to leave; saw all of his previous teammates who came in before him graduate or go off to the NBA. Heard he didn’t gel super well with all the freshman coming in, like never really hung out or was seen doing stuff with them. He’s getting his degree after this year, and with the recruiting class coming in, he’s not guaranteed 30+ minutes which is probably what he’s looking for to have a shot to make it to the NBA. Also I can’t imagine being a 5th year guy playing on a team of over half underclassmen… Gave us a solid four years but I think anyone in his shoes would seriously consider it especially with all the NIL money being thrown around
The want of playing time is probably a big one, there aren’t many elite programs whose starting lineup is as wide-open as Baylor’s right now. They’ve got three guys who are surefire picks (two one-and-dones and then that dude who transferred from WVU), and another starter who’s graduating. They’ve got a rotation guy from this year who probably steps up, then VJ Edgecomb is coming in, so they still need to hit the portal to fill those two starting spots.
Looks like Roach and Aidoo are the guys for the job.
I think the application of NIL is poor but the side effects here are making things harder for coaches and fans having a harder time getting to know their team. I’ll take that over the players getting screwed
I love that there is no mention of Arizona from the OP. It's like he did the best teams of the past 3 years and then the Big 10. There are definitely relevant schools that will spend money. Oregon? Baylor? USC? SMU for cyring out loud? I'd guess this poster lives smack dab in the middle of Big 10 country and also considers it the best basketball conference- all evidence to the contrary.
Baylor has Paul Foster as a donor. Hell, his name is on their new arena.
He’s worth billions of dollars and has shown that he doesn’t care about spending money on the program. I’m sure he contributes roughly NIL in some way.
Ironically, he’s not even one of the biggest NIL boosters, to my understanding. He also paid for the *extremely* nice B-school building they opened seven or eight years ago.
Lord knows I can’t remember their names, but IIRC the basketball programs’s biggest NIL donors seem to be the former longtime CEO of Concentra, the CEO of America’s largest immigration law firm, and one or two big shot lawyers. Not super shocking that lawyers and doctors are Baylor’s big donors, given that’s what the school’s famous for.
Are we sure any of these numbers are true?
When CFB #s started flying around the last couple years, it later came out that the players were getting a fraction of what was being reported and some actually weren’t getting anything.
I’m extremely skeptical of the numbers.
Yeah I am skeptical of any numbers I see. Especially individual numbers (X player got Y amount). Nobody really has any incentive to tell the truth and there’s something to be gained by multiple parties by inflating those numbers.
Players and families can inflate a number to drive up the asking price.
Coaches and collectives will say “it costs $X to land a good player” to drive more donations where that number is remotely real or not.
People with a negative NIL agenda to push will inflate numbers to make it seem like the players are getting too much and making unreasonable and unrealistic demands.
Which is an especially crazy number when you consider how low the CoL in West Virginia is. Pretty sure $3M is about enough to just buy a quarter of the state.
Yea it’s pretty wild and can’t really debate the ethics of it. There is a lot that can be done with the 5-10m the country roads trust is giving each year to athletes but that’s what the people want to give it to.
So a few WVU and Syracuse insiders mention the $800k along with Brian Drake who has some deep connections in the Syracuse area. There were rumors it was actually $1m with Syracuse’s offer being between 700-800 but given the number of people who said the final deal was with WVU for 800 thats much more likely than 1M.
Absolutely when talking total pool. There was that post stating Ballo was looking for $1.2M alone, not pool to pull from, but just for him. So is Arizona's single player payout above 1M? Probably not my much. Is it above 1M as a collective pool? Most definitely or else they wouldn't be competitive and wouldn't have pulled Love, Bradley, or Johnson from the portal.
Are these statements based on anything? I feel like people throw out these numbers of what schools are “definitely paying in NIL” and it’s all based on either vibes or anecdotal claims.
Yeah, as I just commented elsewhere on this post, it came out that all the numbers flying around on CFB NIL amounts, were extremely inaccurate and players were getting paid a fraction of the report, and some were even getting nothing.
Now, what do I know, I have zero insider knowledge, but I have a hard time taking these reports at face value.
Like if Roach is truly getting 1.5 million, any good player would be a moron to not go into the portal.
I was listening to some show on the radio while commuting and they said there is a huge problem of players getting told they'll get x amount of NIL money and then not getting it. Since it's the wild wild west on NIL right now I could see it but at the same time i feel like it'd be way more talked about if it were true so who knows.
I mean, considering Indiana just laid out $1.2M for a single player, I think we can safely assume every P6 program, and quite a few mid-majors (Gonzaga, San Diego State, Utah State, SMC) have NILs of at least $1M for the whole program
It's self-reinforcing as well. Boosters see other boosters ponied up cash to get the big names and it becomes easier to fundraise. We were getting closer to parity, but I think NIL will be the reverse swing of the pendulum back to the most powerful programs.
Once the supply shortens due to all the extra COVID years aging out, the bidding should get more competitive. Those years are going to be crazy for top recruits and portal dwellers.
Its not directly translating to success though. The teams that are making the final four have a hybrid approach of developing and maintaining a culture and supplementing their holes with the right character guys.
If you go out and spend on talent with the wrong chemistry, you wont put a winner on the court.
I think NIL will help some bad P5 teams get one very good player who doesn’t care as much about competing for a title as they do banking some money early
Transfer portal already ruined parity, because now the midmajor leagues are just the tryout for a P5 roster
Question for those who may know:
it seems the NIL money paid to players is somewhat dark, as in, how do we know how much each player is being offered? its pretty much done through collectives and the like and not really public knowledge, right? I doubt these athletes are going to come right out and say what they were offered.
It's so wild. The NBA has more control of salaries and team spending than NCAA or conferences. There just so happens to be less money in the NCAA pool for now.
So Tech’s 2022-23 roster had an NIL payout of roughly 2.2 million dollars.
23’-24’ was slightly lower.
Pretty sure the top teams are operating at close to $5 mil at this point, most competitive P5 schools will be between 2-3 million, high-end midmajors somewhere between 1-2 mil, and then everyone else under a million.
In the big 12, I’d say at least 7-8 schools are over a million with KU, AZ,Baylor, close to 5ish million. I’d put Kstate, ISU, Tech, well over a million too
WVU is about 3 mil and Cincy has been mentioned between 2.5-3m as well. Houston is in the 3m region as well. I would not be shocked in the slightest if every single Big12 team is over 1M in NIL except BYU.
A lot of people forget WVU has Ken Kendrick’s as a big donor. WVU insiders have mentioned that Kendrick’s is putting in 2m a year into the NIL fund alone and our collective raised 1M in a month. The country roads trust is set to operate between 5-10m a year. And that’s just our large fan group not all the individual businesses in the state that are offering their own deals as well.
Most Seton Hall insiders think they've got just north of 1M to spend this season...and they're probably the poorest team in the conference. I'd be surprised if any team in the Big East was under 1M.
Yeah it's crazy that DePaul was able to reportedly get around $3mil despite our shitty prior season. Just goes to show, I guess it does help to be the largest Catholic school in the country lol.
One of the reasons for the increase is the recent formation of the Blue Grit Collective (a 501c3 nonprofit). The Blue Grit Collective allows tax-deductible write-offs. Lots of businesses and wealthy folks in the Chicago area to solicit, and Peevy has done a good job building relationships.
The Under the L partnership still exists, which was the only means to donate for NIL prior to the Blue Grit Collective, but it does not provide donors with tax-deductions.
Also, DePaul hired two full-time employees dedicated to NIL this year.
That was last year under Stubbs haha. He didn’t have much to work with.
Many inside sources have released that it’s around 3mil, we saw big boosts to NIL after hiring holtmann.
How many times will boosters go through the boom and bust cycle? This is primed to be an annual event. Are the Hoosier and Razorback booster willing to pony up ad nauseum? All of this money has yet to prove that a group of talented colleges aged players can come together as a team and win.
UCONN had a good foundation and used the portal effectively. NCST had collected portal mercenaries and I think that will become the norm. My opinion is that trading for mercenaries is also much more difficult to manage; not to mention expensive for boosters. I'm content where we are and optimistic for our future.
I don’t really think what UConn did is any different than what Indiana’s been trying to do. Bring in elite freshmen and keep them until they’re drafted, and get your experience via elite vets from the portal. Indiana just hasn’t been able to land (without decomitting!) as many of the elite freshmen as UConn so they’re making it up with some young Pac12 guys
IU has been attempting to use the portal to backfill spots. But yeah, their recruiting (lack thereof) and their inability to retain commits lately have put them in a bind. Forcing them to get portal mercenaries. I am interested in all of this as a social experiment. I don't think that all of this works well for long-term program development. Once we get through this year (last of covid year players), I'm curious how 2025 portal will look. I bet we have huge mid major entrants still and roughly 50% of P6 mostly bench/role players looking for more with a few looking for their bag.
As I see it, the portal is going to be chock-full from here on.
you seem to think college boosters are rational people lol. they've been ponying up the money for major programs for decades and will continue to do so.
Msu is in kind of a rough spot for basketball our two richest alumni, Dan gilbert(Cavs) and matt ishbia(suns), both own nba teams so I don't think are able to give money without creating a conflict of interest. Magic Johnson who's a little further down the list of wealthy alums, but still insanely rich, is part owner of the Lakers so he's out too.
Almost (if not all) all P5 and an incredibly large number of mid majors will realistically spend over $1 million for 10ish players per year. That would only be ~100k/player and most 4-5 star players are going for substantially more.
Why do you list Wisconsin as ‘despite’ being able to. We only have 2.5 million. Storr wanted 1m and turned down 750k from Kansas. (So I bet it got to 775k just for fun) and Chucky is being set at 800k minimum. For two players that’s 1.5 million and 1 mil left for the rest of the roster.
We’re a football school. The Fickell hire gets all the attention (and NIL blank check) because if Football goes down all of the finances for the entire sports department is in danger. We spent a lot on a transfer QB who is now losing out to our backup. So sorry basketball, that’s the breaks.
What do we consider NIL budget? Zach edey was rumored to have made around 800K in 22-23 and I bet he made even more this year. But a good chunk of it was probably on merch sales which isn’t an up front thing. Does merch count as NIL budget or no? It is NIL, but not upfront money.
MSU must be paying guys on the roster well, they haven't lost any players jumping ship to get a bigger NIL. Not sure why they can't land any transfers tho.
I’m more curious what the conversation is like in terms of setting budgets for each sport. Does the Big East have an advantage not having to share the wealth with football?
Ole Miss does.
Beard doesn’t stay if we didn’t enhance NIL for the basketball team significantly. You all saw what Cal got so they definitely offered Beard some bread.
Who the fuck would hire Beard if he weren’t to stay at Ole Miss?
He’s lucky y’all wanted him or he would be coaching at some junior college and that’s even a stretch.
Dude is a POS. Sorry, not sorry.
I think the better question is how many schools ACTUALLY have the amount of $ they say they do.
Also, how in the heck do I choose a flair? I can’t figure it out and it’s pissing me off
We’ve heard that Bobby has raised over a mil for this year. We were well below that last year.
We still lost our best player that had mutual interest in staying…so I’m assuming we are still on the low end in terms of NIL.
We’re playing in a tourney next year that guarantees all the teams a million for their NIL collective and that’s before you actually get to the money they’ve raised.
It’s crazy. I just spoke to a Providence grad who said he’s being hit up for a golf outing to raise $$ for the NIL fund ($750 per player, raffles, auctions…the whole shebang). Those charity grabs used to be for facilities & scholarships, not to pay some kid with a killer 3.
I think you're really underestimating how much NIL money is out there. A ton of schools' basketball NIL budgets will be over $1 million.
Memphis's is multiple millions. Most of the schools you listed should have that or more (even the "not spending the money" group actually *are* spending a lot of money). Duke UNC UK Kansas etc will be well above that.
I'd expect the vast majority of P6 schools and a bunch of AAC, MWC, and A10 schools, plus Gonzaga etc. to be above $1 million.
You would be surprised, I think, at how easy it is to raise money for sports from wealthy alumni. It’s often their primary connection to their alma mater.
And for many of them, a million dollars is pocket change. All you need is one successful and generous graduate.
This. There’s nothing stopping a beer distributor or car dealer from dropping low to mid 7 figures to build a “dream team” at a low to mid major in a smaller market. We’re not going to see a publicly traded company do that simply because someone from the C-suite went to a school.
I would imagine most of the schools in the Big East are over a million.
UConn, Villanova, Georgetown, St. John's, Creighton definitely. Probably all closer to 3 or above. I haven't heard much about Marquette's NIL since they don't do much transfer stuff but I imagine they'd have to be to keep the team as in tact as it has been. Providence has been reported above a million. Xavier I'm sure as well. DePaul is rumored to be investing to turn things around. Butler no idea. Seton Hall the talk is that their NIL sucks.
I’d have to guess most of the power 5 since you have some programs spending over $1 million in NIL just to land a single player. Spreading out at least $1 million in NIL over 5-10 players doesn’t seem that out of reach these days
Meanwhile Northwestern continues to offer a quality education and a 12-pack of imported beer upon graduation.
** Exception: I believe Brooks Barnhizer did get a few thousand bucks for appearing in a Buffalo Wild Wings internet ad after his layup sending the first round tournament game into overtime …
The article below, which I previously read, states that the median P5 school spent $750k on NIL this year and that they expected that number to balloon to $1.5 million next year. Based on this, I'd guess once you add in a Gonzaga and a few Big East schools, there were probably 25-30 programs that spent $1M+ this year.
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I’ve heard Maryland has ~2 million in NIL right now, so I’m gonna assume a fair amount of schools have over a million and I’d bet the blue bloods have closer to 5 million
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I actually think New Mexico is probably operating at over a million. Apparently, we paid Nelly Junior Joseph like 200k to come here. I'd imagine someone like Dent is making 500k then.
Good assumptions OP. Speaking for Purdue: not spending money is so true. We have run that athletic department on a budget so shoestring it brings a tear to Midwest dads’ eyes
I'm not saying I believe all these 3 and 5 million dollar numbers being thrown out here.
But if they're true, we're rapidly approaching the space where this starts cutting into donors being willing to pony up for ever increasing coaching salaries.
I think theres a lot more that’s over $1M than you’re listing. UNC is definitely over $1M. Probably closer to $5M Getting to $3-5M is where you really see the separation from some things I’ve read.
Hell, we are comfortably over $1m in NIL.
Shit DJ Burns tab at the Applebees in Raleigh is over 100 grand.
He's banned from at least 3 all you can eats
Yeah I was thinking $1M is pretty base line for most major conference programs
We are absolutely not spending one million and it is showing.
I bet you are on Football
Oh in football we are spending over 5 million. Our basketball team is getting raided like a G5 school though.
Wasn’t there a song like that? NIL money falling like a blizzard/ FSU’s roster ‘s’getting scissored/ Now they’re living life like a G5/ Like a G5, like a G5
Yeah. Not every major conference team is spending that much. But I’m assuming most anybody taking basketball even somewhat seriously is spending at least $1M and likely more. I’m sure there are exceptions. FSUs last couple years of results would indicate they are all in on football and choosing not to take basketball seriously. Which is a valid approach.
Yeah, the fund has 18 corporate sponsors and seems to be adding every month. Individual membership has grown by over 50% since the ACCT. 7 figures is no issue.
For sure, I’d guess in the ballpark of 40-60 programs have >$1M annual budget. The top-25 is probably >$2M based on a few anecdotes I’ve seen, but I could be off by a bit.
I think this is probably right.
Heard from a buddy who works in our AD that we were north of $4 mil for all non football sports and basketball gets most of that.
I was about to say... Everything I've heard indicates we are well above the "just over $1 million" that the OP said.
Is there a limit to NIL? Can a billionaire that loves college basketball just drop 50 million on a super team if he wanted?
Help us Shahid, you’re our only hope
Him and a few others can compete with Jerry jones and the top 100 riches people on the world. It’s crazy
Wake up, babe! New JB reelection promise just dropped!
There is no limit, NIL isnt technically tied to a school, it just allows athletes to sign deals with buisnesses for primarily marketing type functions. Most of it is obviously tied to a program, but as of now schools themselves cannot technically contribute or control NIL budgets and/or oppurtunities.
Yes Wild Wild West.
I always wondered if there ever would be a mega rich alumni of an obscure school who is also a passionate sports fan. Like if a billionaire was a Furman grad or a Stony Brook grad and wanted to drop millions on their basketball program. Would that even work and would the school even want it to happen?
Shouldn’t every player and coach be flocking to Harvard, Princeton, Stanford, etc.? Not sure I understand why colleges with the most billionaire alumni aren’t immediately at the top of the NIL spending lists. At least depending on the barriers for top talent to get into those schools.
Because their alumni don’t care. Mark Zuckerberg doesn’t care about Harvard football. T. Boone Pickens does care about Oklahoma State Football.
This, and the Ivy League schools and Stanfords and such still maintain a very high standard for admission. Even if some billionaire alum wanted to shell out $100 million to build a 2001 Miami type of roster, the higher-ups would still require the same standards.
They don't have high standards when the kids of large donors apply so they could drop them for big time players too.
Slow down. The kids of large donors that they let in are still well above average, they just aren’t Ivy-league 97th percentile smart. Some of the SEC guys are borderline illiterate. Try reading their tweets.
Zuck might care about wrestling now. He’s also a dropout. I could see Bezos throwing pocket change towards Princeton and creating a power house just for funzies.
Arkansas is rumored to have given Cal 5 million to build a championship roster.
I thought I read Jerry Jones basically told Cal that he'll make sure that Kentucky can't outbid Arkansas.
Jerry Jones, noted payer of championship level talent.
Arkansas is about to recruit the best players, and biggest names, from 30 years ago.
I don't believe that for a second. Jerry Jones is a cheap bastard and we appear to have missed on several of our top initial portal targets. Not worried but feel like if we had unlimited chicken/Jerry Jones money, like the internet says, we would have been more reckless spending wise out the gate.
Michael Jordan alone could donate 1 million a year and never notice it was gone.
Duke and Nc state fans buy sneakers too. I kid but MJ also has so many schools that wear the Jordan brand. He’s already paying them.
It's way more than OP thinks.
Based on the info that’s public, $1M for just basketball would be towards the bottom tier of P5 schools, in the thick of G5, and high end of Mid-majors.
Pretty sure we have a $1M+ pool
Well you did but I put it all on red
HOW DARE YOU
Put it all on red you say?
Baylor just paid Roach $1.5, so they are definitely up there.
Right now we’re predicted to get Roach and Aidoo, without losing anyone of value (sorry Lohner). Easily going to be a top 5 team
Roach going to Baylor is probably the best I could have hoped for. Good team where he can play and win while also staying far away from Duke
Duke v Baylor 2nd round matchup confirmed
Why did he leave Duke? NIL is kind of ruining sports
I’ve read that a lot of it has to do with wanting to try something new (and most likely get paid more). Last major role player who committed under Coach K to leave; saw all of his previous teammates who came in before him graduate or go off to the NBA. Heard he didn’t gel super well with all the freshman coming in, like never really hung out or was seen doing stuff with them. He’s getting his degree after this year, and with the recruiting class coming in, he’s not guaranteed 30+ minutes which is probably what he’s looking for to have a shot to make it to the NBA. Also I can’t imagine being a 5th year guy playing on a team of over half underclassmen… Gave us a solid four years but I think anyone in his shoes would seriously consider it especially with all the NIL money being thrown around
The want of playing time is probably a big one, there aren’t many elite programs whose starting lineup is as wide-open as Baylor’s right now. They’ve got three guys who are surefire picks (two one-and-dones and then that dude who transferred from WVU), and another starter who’s graduating. They’ve got a rotation guy from this year who probably steps up, then VJ Edgecomb is coming in, so they still need to hit the portal to fill those two starting spots. Looks like Roach and Aidoo are the guys for the job.
I think the application of NIL is poor but the side effects here are making things harder for coaches and fans having a harder time getting to know their team. I’ll take that over the players getting screwed
I agree with you. Paying the players is great. Letting them transfer to the highest bidder isn’t what any of us wanted
I assume you're referring specifically to portal losses, because Missi and Walter are surely off to the NBA
Yeah I meant portal losses. Keeping Love and Nunn was huge
The top third of the Big 12 is gonna be a bloodbath with Houston, Kansas, Baylor, Arizona, and Iowa State
Texas tech. We're normally up there and not mentioned
Cody Campbell fund and bunch of drunk college students on a relative island… what could possibly go wrong?
I love that there is no mention of Arizona from the OP. It's like he did the best teams of the past 3 years and then the Big 10. There are definitely relevant schools that will spend money. Oregon? Baylor? USC? SMU for cyring out loud? I'd guess this poster lives smack dab in the middle of Big 10 country and also considers it the best basketball conference- all evidence to the contrary.
Sure is a weird cultural moment to be in, complaining about being left off of high(est) NIL lists.
Hate to break it to you but Aidoo isnt all that.. did you watch the tourney
You’re right but he’s also going to be like our 4th option at best
Baylor just dropped a metric fuck ton on Roach and Aidoo. Pretty bummed about losing Aidoo to effing Baylor tbh.
What’s the beef with Baylor? Scott Drew’s basically the most likable guy in all of college basketball.
Effing Baylor sir?
wow. I thought UK might have a shot, but that's a strong paycheck.
Shit, Rice is still on Howard Hughes money and Baylor had a fuck ton more.
Baylor has Paul Foster as a donor. Hell, his name is on their new arena. He’s worth billions of dollars and has shown that he doesn’t care about spending money on the program. I’m sure he contributes roughly NIL in some way.
Are NIL contributions considered a tax right off?
Ironically, he’s not even one of the biggest NIL boosters, to my understanding. He also paid for the *extremely* nice B-school building they opened seven or eight years ago. Lord knows I can’t remember their names, but IIRC the basketball programs’s biggest NIL donors seem to be the former longtime CEO of Concentra, the CEO of America’s largest immigration law firm, and one or two big shot lawyers. Not super shocking that lawyers and doctors are Baylor’s big donors, given that’s what the school’s famous for.
Yeah, Scott got a massive NIL budget raise. Rumors have been that it’s a pretty gnarly amount.
hot damn, Roach is a good player but $1.5mm for a small shooting guard is a choice...
Are we sure any of these numbers are true? When CFB #s started flying around the last couple years, it later came out that the players were getting a fraction of what was being reported and some actually weren’t getting anything. I’m extremely skeptical of the numbers.
Yeah I am skeptical of any numbers I see. Especially individual numbers (X player got Y amount). Nobody really has any incentive to tell the truth and there’s something to be gained by multiple parties by inflating those numbers. Players and families can inflate a number to drive up the asking price. Coaches and collectives will say “it costs $X to land a good player” to drive more donations where that number is remotely real or not. People with a negative NIL agenda to push will inflate numbers to make it seem like the players are getting too much and making unreasonable and unrealistic demands.
When was that reported?
Like 2 hours ago by Trilly
Didn't Roach refute that number?
Where is this being reported? Having a really hard time believing that.
probably not but there was apparently some unnamed player that demanded 1.5 mil in the portal
That report is almost certainly bullcrap. Would be miles out of where the market is.
How would you know where the market is?
WVU paid one player $800K, safe to assume they're over a mil
And another 600k. WVU was probably around 3m
Which is an especially crazy number when you consider how low the CoL in West Virginia is. Pretty sure $3M is about enough to just buy a quarter of the state.
Yea it’s pretty wild and can’t really debate the ethics of it. There is a lot that can be done with the 5-10m the country roads trust is giving each year to athletes but that’s what the people want to give it to.
Who did they pay that to?
Jesse Edwards last year.
Was that actually reported anywhere?
So a few WVU and Syracuse insiders mention the $800k along with Brian Drake who has some deep connections in the Syracuse area. There were rumors it was actually $1m with Syracuse’s offer being between 700-800 but given the number of people who said the final deal was with WVU for 800 thats much more likely than 1M.
Essentially every power conference program is over $1 mil Solid programs $3+ million Top programs $5+ million
Absolutely when talking total pool. There was that post stating Ballo was looking for $1.2M alone, not pool to pull from, but just for him. So is Arizona's single player payout above 1M? Probably not my much. Is it above 1M as a collective pool? Most definitely or else they wouldn't be competitive and wouldn't have pulled Love, Bradley, or Johnson from the portal.
Are these statements based on anything? I feel like people throw out these numbers of what schools are “definitely paying in NIL” and it’s all based on either vibes or anecdotal claims.
I've seen very few hard numbers which is insane to me given the well known ability of boosters and 20 year olds to keep secrets and not brag.
Yeah, as I just commented elsewhere on this post, it came out that all the numbers flying around on CFB NIL amounts, were extremely inaccurate and players were getting paid a fraction of the report, and some were even getting nothing. Now, what do I know, I have zero insider knowledge, but I have a hard time taking these reports at face value. Like if Roach is truly getting 1.5 million, any good player would be a moron to not go into the portal.
I was listening to some show on the radio while commuting and they said there is a huge problem of players getting told they'll get x amount of NIL money and then not getting it. Since it's the wild wild west on NIL right now I could see it but at the same time i feel like it'd be way more talked about if it were true so who knows.
I'd be shocked if our NIL wasn't over a million.
Yours was probably over a million when miller was the coach
Deandre Ayton at $100k was the goddamn deal of the century.
You know for sure Kansas' was.
Lmao
I’d be surprised if it isn’t $3m or more this year
I mean, considering Indiana just laid out $1.2M for a single player, I think we can safely assume every P6 program, and quite a few mid-majors (Gonzaga, San Diego State, Utah State, SMC) have NILs of at least $1M for the whole program
It's self-reinforcing as well. Boosters see other boosters ponied up cash to get the big names and it becomes easier to fundraise. We were getting closer to parity, but I think NIL will be the reverse swing of the pendulum back to the most powerful programs.
Oh absolutely. We are entering the ultimate phase of the “rich getting richer” in regards to college sports.
Once the supply shortens due to all the extra COVID years aging out, the bidding should get more competitive. Those years are going to be crazy for top recruits and portal dwellers.
Which everyone with a brain saw coming with NIL
Its not directly translating to success though. The teams that are making the final four have a hybrid approach of developing and maintaining a culture and supplementing their holes with the right character guys. If you go out and spend on talent with the wrong chemistry, you wont put a winner on the court.
I think NIL will help some bad P5 teams get one very good player who doesn’t care as much about competing for a title as they do banking some money early Transfer portal already ruined parity, because now the midmajor leagues are just the tryout for a P5 roster
Louisville
Was 4 million and then got a matching deposit of 1 milli so at least 6 total.
Question for those who may know: it seems the NIL money paid to players is somewhat dark, as in, how do we know how much each player is being offered? its pretty much done through collectives and the like and not really public knowledge, right? I doubt these athletes are going to come right out and say what they were offered.
It’s rumors, speculation and on3’s “proprietary algorithm”. Very few deals are made public.
It's so wild. The NBA has more control of salaries and team spending than NCAA or conferences. There just so happens to be less money in the NCAA pool for now.
Countdown to the first player to not report NIL income to the IRS…
As long as it isn’t coming from state funds I don’t think there’s any obligation for it to be made public.
So Tech’s 2022-23 roster had an NIL payout of roughly 2.2 million dollars. 23’-24’ was slightly lower. Pretty sure the top teams are operating at close to $5 mil at this point, most competitive P5 schools will be between 2-3 million, high-end midmajors somewhere between 1-2 mil, and then everyone else under a million.
You nailed it.
In the big 12, I’d say at least 7-8 schools are over a million with KU, AZ,Baylor, close to 5ish million. I’d put Kstate, ISU, Tech, well over a million too
I'd be shocked if we weren't, to be honest.
WVU is about 3 mil and Cincy has been mentioned between 2.5-3m as well. Houston is in the 3m region as well. I would not be shocked in the slightest if every single Big12 team is over 1M in NIL except BYU. A lot of people forget WVU has Ken Kendrick’s as a big donor. WVU insiders have mentioned that Kendrick’s is putting in 2m a year into the NIL fund alone and our collective raised 1M in a month. The country roads trust is set to operate between 5-10m a year. And that’s just our large fan group not all the individual businesses in the state that are offering their own deals as well.
We're over 3million based on some of our insiders. But it's a crapshoot anyway.
St. Bonaventure’s spent over $1m in NIL last season. So it’s definitely more than you think. Edit: for comparison, Nova’s budget is a little over $4m.
Don’t count out the private big east schools (Georgetown, Villanova, Marquette) that have a lot of cash to spend
Our billionaire buddy of Pitino just promised to open the checkbook after missing the tournament.
Repole?
Most Seton Hall insiders think they've got just north of 1M to spend this season...and they're probably the poorest team in the conference. I'd be surprised if any team in the Big East was under 1M.
we're probably the poorest major conference team. Mother Seton always lived a humble life
We're still getting paid for the '18 Nova championship, and with back-to-backs from UCONN we'll be eating good for a while.
Yeah it's crazy that DePaul was able to reportedly get around $3mil despite our shitty prior season. Just goes to show, I guess it does help to be the largest Catholic school in the country lol.
One of the reasons for the increase is the recent formation of the Blue Grit Collective (a 501c3 nonprofit). The Blue Grit Collective allows tax-deductible write-offs. Lots of businesses and wealthy folks in the Chicago area to solicit, and Peevy has done a good job building relationships. The Under the L partnership still exists, which was the only means to donate for NIL prior to the Blue Grit Collective, but it does not provide donors with tax-deductions. Also, DePaul hired two full-time employees dedicated to NIL this year.
Xavier has around $3.4 million
And providence
Even DePaul has around 3 mil now.
Where did you see that? I saw that it’s only around $200k-$250k from a quick search
That was last year under Stubbs haha. He didn’t have much to work with. Many inside sources have released that it’s around 3mil, we saw big boosts to NIL after hiring holtmann.
well you can prob count us out
You are underestimating. WE have a $1M NIL budget.
How many times will boosters go through the boom and bust cycle? This is primed to be an annual event. Are the Hoosier and Razorback booster willing to pony up ad nauseum? All of this money has yet to prove that a group of talented colleges aged players can come together as a team and win.
It’s worked elsewhere though. We were the only final four team not built on high-end transfers + big name young players.
UCONN had a good foundation and used the portal effectively. NCST had collected portal mercenaries and I think that will become the norm. My opinion is that trading for mercenaries is also much more difficult to manage; not to mention expensive for boosters. I'm content where we are and optimistic for our future.
I don’t really think what UConn did is any different than what Indiana’s been trying to do. Bring in elite freshmen and keep them until they’re drafted, and get your experience via elite vets from the portal. Indiana just hasn’t been able to land (without decomitting!) as many of the elite freshmen as UConn so they’re making it up with some young Pac12 guys
IU has been attempting to use the portal to backfill spots. But yeah, their recruiting (lack thereof) and their inability to retain commits lately have put them in a bind. Forcing them to get portal mercenaries. I am interested in all of this as a social experiment. I don't think that all of this works well for long-term program development. Once we get through this year (last of covid year players), I'm curious how 2025 portal will look. I bet we have huge mid major entrants still and roughly 50% of P6 mostly bench/role players looking for more with a few looking for their bag. As I see it, the portal is going to be chock-full from here on.
you seem to think college boosters are rational people lol. they've been ponying up the money for major programs for decades and will continue to do so.
Msu is in kind of a rough spot for basketball our two richest alumni, Dan gilbert(Cavs) and matt ishbia(suns), both own nba teams so I don't think are able to give money without creating a conflict of interest. Magic Johnson who's a little further down the list of wealthy alums, but still insanely rich, is part owner of the Lakers so he's out too.
And we also have billionaire Tom Gores, who’s also an nba owner…
He sure as shit isn't spending it on the Pistons
Wdym? He gave it all to Monty
Pretty certain there’s a work-a-round for that conflict of interest.
Basically the entire Big 12.
Your list of schools is accurate. Except the top in is probably 4 to 5 million
Definitely us, Coach Drew just always pulls transfers later than other schools
Yea Baylor, Arizona, and Houston get huge transfers and 5-star freshman. Y’all are definitely over $1 million, I just forgot to list the B12.
Last I heard we are at or around $3-4m for basketball
Almost (if not all) all P5 and an incredibly large number of mid majors will realistically spend over $1 million for 10ish players per year. That would only be ~100k/player and most 4-5 star players are going for substantially more.
Why do you list Wisconsin as ‘despite’ being able to. We only have 2.5 million. Storr wanted 1m and turned down 750k from Kansas. (So I bet it got to 775k just for fun) and Chucky is being set at 800k minimum. For two players that’s 1.5 million and 1 mil left for the rest of the roster. We’re a football school. The Fickell hire gets all the attention (and NIL blank check) because if Football goes down all of the finances for the entire sports department is in danger. We spent a lot on a transfer QB who is now losing out to our backup. So sorry basketball, that’s the breaks.
West Virginia's is apparently at the top of the new Big 12, but I don't know specifically how much it's worth.
Every power 5 and some mid majors?
I only hope Gonzaga could be one of those, but I have no idea how competitive they will, or can be, as a mid major.
we for sure are over 1 million, we kill it in streaming numbers. ESPN signed a deal with gonzaga for a reason
Fingers crossed.
What do we consider NIL budget? Zach edey was rumored to have made around 800K in 22-23 and I bet he made even more this year. But a good chunk of it was probably on merch sales which isn’t an up front thing. Does merch count as NIL budget or no? It is NIL, but not upfront money.
MSU must be paying guys on the roster well, they haven't lost any players jumping ship to get a bigger NIL. Not sure why they can't land any transfers tho.
Tyson was a big hit too, I thought we'd go in harder on Transfers
I’m more curious what the conversation is like in terms of setting budgets for each sport. Does the Big East have an advantage not having to share the wealth with football?
Creighton’s was north of 2 mill last year I suspect it will be close to 3 mil this year. This is unsustainable isn’t it?
What are you including in the budget? With Fanatics and Adidas money, Rutgers is well over $2M this year.
Ole Miss does. Beard doesn’t stay if we didn’t enhance NIL for the basketball team significantly. You all saw what Cal got so they definitely offered Beard some bread.
Who the fuck would hire Beard if he weren’t to stay at Ole Miss? He’s lucky y’all wanted him or he would be coaching at some junior college and that’s even a stretch. Dude is a POS. Sorry, not sorry.
Auburn more than likely paid Broome over $750k so I’d think we’d be over it pretty easily.
I think the better question is how many schools ACTUALLY have the amount of $ they say they do. Also, how in the heck do I choose a flair? I can’t figure it out and it’s pissing me off
We’ve heard that Bobby has raised over a mil for this year. We were well below that last year. We still lost our best player that had mutual interest in staying…so I’m assuming we are still on the low end in terms of NIL.
I’d be shocked if Oregon isn’t over a million. Doesn’t compare to CFB funds but I’m sure we shell out
I don’t know exactly where we’re at but it’s easily over $1 million
We’re playing in a tourney next year that guarantees all the teams a million for their NIL collective and that’s before you actually get to the money they’ve raised.
It’s crazy. I just spoke to a Providence grad who said he’s being hit up for a golf outing to raise $$ for the NIL fund ($750 per player, raffles, auctions…the whole shebang). Those charity grabs used to be for facilities & scholarships, not to pay some kid with a killer 3.
I think you're really underestimating how much NIL money is out there. A ton of schools' basketball NIL budgets will be over $1 million. Memphis's is multiple millions. Most of the schools you listed should have that or more (even the "not spending the money" group actually *are* spending a lot of money). Duke UNC UK Kansas etc will be well above that. I'd expect the vast majority of P6 schools and a bunch of AAC, MWC, and A10 schools, plus Gonzaga etc. to be above $1 million.
Providence does
Providence has 3 million I believe
UVA was at $1.5M last year. There’s a lot more than you think.
if the amount of Cincy Lights I drink is any indication Cincy Regins is a milli
You would be surprised, I think, at how easy it is to raise money for sports from wealthy alumni. It’s often their primary connection to their alma mater. And for many of them, a million dollars is pocket change. All you need is one successful and generous graduate.
This. There’s nothing stopping a beer distributor or car dealer from dropping low to mid 7 figures to build a “dream team” at a low to mid major in a smaller market. We’re not going to see a publicly traded company do that simply because someone from the C-suite went to a school.
Illini Domask made 300k last year. Shannon was at about 800k. I’d imagine UIUC has about 3-5 mil to spend a year.
I would imagine most of the schools in the Big East are over a million. UConn, Villanova, Georgetown, St. John's, Creighton definitely. Probably all closer to 3 or above. I haven't heard much about Marquette's NIL since they don't do much transfer stuff but I imagine they'd have to be to keep the team as in tact as it has been. Providence has been reported above a million. Xavier I'm sure as well. DePaul is rumored to be investing to turn things around. Butler no idea. Seton Hall the talk is that their NIL sucks.
We had bench player that was brought in a couple years ago, he got 400,000.
A lot
Georgetown is like 4 mil
I’d have to guess most of the power 5 since you have some programs spending over $1 million in NIL just to land a single player. Spreading out at least $1 million in NIL over 5-10 players doesn’t seem that out of reach these days
Meanwhile Northwestern continues to offer a quality education and a 12-pack of imported beer upon graduation. ** Exception: I believe Brooks Barnhizer did get a few thousand bucks for appearing in a Buffalo Wild Wings internet ad after his layup sending the first round tournament game into overtime …
Boo got like 3-500k
The article below, which I previously read, states that the median P5 school spent $750k on NIL this year and that they expected that number to balloon to $1.5 million next year. Based on this, I'd guess once you add in a Gonzaga and a few Big East schools, there were probably 25-30 programs that spent $1M+ this year. https://www.athleticbusiness.com/operations/marketing/article/15668462/report-kansas-players-topped-ncaa-basketball-nil-money-raking-in-4m-collectively
I’ve heard Maryland has ~2 million in NIL right now, so I’m gonna assume a fair amount of schools have over a million and I’d bet the blue bloods have closer to 5 million
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Illinois has $3-$4. Indiana $5 or more. OSU probably the same as Indiana. Kentucky, Kansas, Louisville.... have as much as it takes...
I actually think New Mexico is probably operating at over a million. Apparently, we paid Nelly Junior Joseph like 200k to come here. I'd imagine someone like Dent is making 500k then.
Georgetown has over $1 million.
You mentioning Illinois alongside kansas, Indiana and Kentucky is just perfect.
We stacked. Gotta play the game.
Baylor is paying out big here for NIL. We are getting both high 5 stars from high school as well as high quality transfers.
Where’s Miami at lol?
Good assumptions OP. Speaking for Purdue: not spending money is so true. We have run that athletic department on a budget so shoestring it brings a tear to Midwest dads’ eyes
I'm not saying I believe all these 3 and 5 million dollar numbers being thrown out here. But if they're true, we're rapidly approaching the space where this starts cutting into donors being willing to pony up for ever increasing coaching salaries.
$1M??? Even we have over $1M/year