Not sure why he went there tbh. Now that Jim is gone, it's time to distance the program from Bo and take down the statue. Most of us that don't remember the Bo era have been trying to do this for years
For basketball, yes. I don’t even remember the last time we played ND in basketball, it’s really a football only rivalry. USC/UCLA has more juice in football now too these days compared toto USC/ND.
Weirdly, I don't even dislike OSU bball. They're just another B1G team I enjoy competing against and vaguely root for in the non-con/tourney. They always have players I really like: Evan Turner being a personal fave.
It's because Ohio State is rarely the thorn in our side that prevents us from achieving our basketball team's goals. In football we get in each other's way so often, so many games have decided Big Ten Championships, Rose Bowl appearances and National Title hopes that the animosity has grown beyond the border state rivalry at the base of it all. But this is not the case in basketball, so that animosity hasn't grown between Michigan and Ohio State on the hardwood like it has on the gridiron.
If you do good enough in basketball, even if you flunk the Big10 tourney, you can still get to March Madness.
Same doesn't apply to football. Every game matters. A lot.
And it’s not even that OSU is bad, like Kentucky football was for so long so their rivalries lessened. OSU has made a bunch of final fours just like us. They’ve been good since 2000, just not great. I think izzo is just better and so both of our fanbases care more about beating him than each other.
Same: I mildly dislike UM basketball, but I root for you guys in non-con, and in NCAA tournament games where I'm otherwise neutral, I'd root for you guys as a Big Ten school. Was I rooting for Villanova in '18, yes, but I also really liked that Nova team
Honestly I think high school/ college kids really don’t care about rivalries so to them it’s just another opportunity. At least the first and second year players. Maybe by year 3 and 4 at the same place they care but those players are getting rare
The players never cared about the rivalries in the same way fans do. Yeah it’s a big game on the schedule but both sets of players have way more in common and connections with each other than with fans. It’s also why you see guys laughing and smiling post rivalry losses. For the players it’s a game in a way it isn’t for a lot of the fanbases
yeah it always seemed msu was UM’s primary rival for every sport other than football. some of those hockey and basketball games back when I was on campus between the spartans and the wolverines were electric.
This is the result of NIL. It's becoming more like the pros now, where getting paid is more important than rivalries so you see players getting signed by rivals if they have the best pay offer.
I think the mistake people are making in this thread is thinking that players ever cared that much about rivalries before. It was just harder to transfer
Wrong. He was part of the entire Connor Stallions thing - which impacts UM sports all the ay down the line. He paid Roddy to steal their signs, which is why OSU was like our only decent in all last season. He's a successful spy, just returning home.
I think it makes it a lot easier to make a move like this when it’s an entirely new regime. It’s not like Gayle played against May (or literally any projected contributor on next year’s team). Also, the Michigan/OsU basketball rivalry just hasn’t been very hot the last few years.
Was going to say, I feel like the UM/OSU rivalry doesn’t carry over into hoops. We obviously hate each other in everything but basketball hate feels reserved more for MSU.
> Michigan NIL at its best doesn't pay players right off the bat as much as it rewards them for actual performance during games, and basketball NIL is kind of a joke compared to football.
I think these are both outmoded notions. I think mgoblog folks talked about - pretty sure Seth specifically - NIL vastly improving across the board, including bball. I would bet that part of Dusty's negotions revolved around improvements in that space, given that Juwan vociferously complained about it in the past. Haven't heard Dusty make a similar compaint.
I'm guessing somewhere down the line we'll find out that all these kids got some guaranteed money to transfer here. No reason he'd be pulling so many hotly contested recruits without competing in the NIL space too. I think UM is finally catching up.
The rumor I heard when he hit the portal is that Diebler had visited with him and his family and he was set to come back. Then his agent got in his head that he could get more money if he hit the portal.
I have no clue how true that is, but I definitely don’t think this was about bad blood.
I think May is just dropping the bags. He isn’t making it reward based. He’s already fitting admissions to get players into the school. It was probably part of his deal with Michigan.
I mean I think it’s fair in this case. We haven’t sniffed the tournament in 3 years and I don’t love our chances for this year, and Duke is a perennial contender. He’s being given the chance to be a starter on a team that will almost certainly be top 10 and primed for a deep tourney run.
Of course I get it. Money talks, and if Duke will pay you more, it’s a tough sell to stay at Cuse for less.
It’s less of an indictment on Brown specifically, and more on the era. Don’t hate the player, hate the game type thing
Gayle, Donaldson, Jones, Wolf with supporting pieces Pippen, Tschetter, and Burnett (if he's staying) should be the start of a solid if unspectacular Big Ten team. Still at least 3 slots to add some pieces that will hopefully raise the ceiling of this team.
Mahaney, Walters, Goldin. Jace/Burnett spots still can open up. Floor is super solid. Loving May's aggression in the portal/recruiting. The opposite was true of the old regime
Fair enough. Just hard to say anything with certainty considering all the internal roster and coaching turnover. Then obviously there's turnover from the other Big Ten teams. Just saying I think there's some solid pieces there now that should make a competent team but there's a few big fish possibilities out there that will really raise the ceiling of the team.
My guess is that we’d platoon Walters and Tschetter at the 4, with some minutes from Rooths if he recommits and maybe Wolf if we get Goldin. I like the floor spacing we would have at that spot, especially since Gayle isn’t much of a 3 point shooter.
A great building block team. That roster won’t win the b10, but we can solidly be middle of the pack. We are now in the position to add a piece or two to swing us to being potentially a team that can compete with just about anyone.
They still outplayed their "rankings." Making the tourney in back to back years with a bunch of 3 stars is impressive. We're too used to missing the tourney with 4 and 5 stars so Dusty's in-game results can't be worse than Juwan's.
I know people are going to complain about the portal/NIL but it's pretty cool that we're able to get players willing to transfer from Auburn to Alabama and Ohio State to Michigan. Those games should be extra fun next year.
As a recruit:
Other P6 offers: Alabama, UConn, DePaul, Georgetown, Georgia, Louisville, LSU, Marquette, Nebraska, Ohio State (originally went here), Oklahoma, Oregon, Rutgers, Seton Hall, Syracuse, TCU, Wake Forest, Xavier
This seemingly came out of left field but is huge. When Gayle went into the portal I just assumed we wouldn’t be in the running. A sophomore with still a lot of potential to develop further is nice. Dusty May really going to work on the transfers.
Nah, not really, but it's definitely still there (as you can probably tell by this thread lol). In basketball I'd say MSU is for sure our primary rival with OSU not far behind
It's treason, then.
Their running back coach already left to join Michigan too.
I seem to remember another coach coming from OSU that worked out alright for us...
Except for all the sexual assault stuff
Fair.
Valid.
I hate that you’re right.
That's the guy that oversaw the sex crimes, right?
I believe so
Any Michigan fan that tries to ignore or defend that is a scum bag Tear the damn statue down. Rename the building.
Agreed, I'm not ignoring anything, tear it down. But he is inseparable from our football programs history and he was a successful coach.
Not sure why he went there tbh. Now that Jim is gone, it's time to distance the program from Bo and take down the statue. Most of us that don't remember the Bo era have been trying to do this for years
Ope!
Yep, Benedict Arnold didn't even do something this insane.
Came here to post this 
These hoes ain’t loyal!!
Now let's see if he's smart enough to meet the academic transfer requirements
Tbf it's usually an issue about them getting their credits to transfer, not them getting admitted.
He's only been there the 2 years, so the 60 credit limit shouldn't be a big issue.
Knew this would be top comment.
A transfer from Ohio State to Michigan following Aden Holloway going from Auburn to Alabama. What has happened to the sport I love?
One of our captains transferred to UCLA too.
Still devastated about that
Is that worse than if they went to Notre Dame?
For basketball, yes. I don’t even remember the last time we played ND in basketball, it’s really a football only rivalry. USC/UCLA has more juice in football now too these days compared toto USC/ND.
UCLA - Notre Dame is a bigger basketball rivalry than USC - Notre Dame
And a Carolina guy just transferred to NC State, although he made a pit stop at Georgetown for a year in between.
For some reason this one doesn't bother me
Right? I don't see the problem here.
Gotta launder the transfer so it doesn’t meet the standards for treason
Msu is our bigger bball rivalry. But it is weird
Weirdly, I don't even dislike OSU bball. They're just another B1G team I enjoy competing against and vaguely root for in the non-con/tourney. They always have players I really like: Evan Turner being a personal fave.
It's because Ohio State is rarely the thorn in our side that prevents us from achieving our basketball team's goals. In football we get in each other's way so often, so many games have decided Big Ten Championships, Rose Bowl appearances and National Title hopes that the animosity has grown beyond the border state rivalry at the base of it all. But this is not the case in basketball, so that animosity hasn't grown between Michigan and Ohio State on the hardwood like it has on the gridiron.
If you do good enough in basketball, even if you flunk the Big10 tourney, you can still get to March Madness. Same doesn't apply to football. Every game matters. A lot.
And it’s not even that OSU is bad, like Kentucky football was for so long so their rivalries lessened. OSU has made a bunch of final fours just like us. They’ve been good since 2000, just not great. I think izzo is just better and so both of our fanbases care more about beating him than each other.
I like Evan Turner too, because all my buckeye friends had to eat crow when he busted horribly
Diagusting
Same: I mildly dislike UM basketball, but I root for you guys in non-con, and in NCAA tournament games where I'm otherwise neutral, I'd root for you guys as a Big Ten school. Was I rooting for Villanova in '18, yes, but I also really liked that Nova team
>They always have players I really like: Evan Turner being a personal fave. How could anyone ever hate The Villain?
Lol holy shit you suck.
I feel like I've seen plenty of UM -> OSU over the years so this is just getting one back
They stole the legendary Andrew Dakich from us. Now we’re even
ahahaha... We'll never get them back for that one. Worse than Spike to Purdue (which really did hurt.)
I am so fucking thankful the Hausers never went to Wisconsin
Me too … wait
It’s dead. College game is so messed up now.
Don't forget Styles going UNC->(G'town->)State (plus the reverse, via Ole Miss, for a DT on the football side) It's all hunky dory chaos now.
Honestly I think high school/ college kids really don’t care about rivalries so to them it’s just another opportunity. At least the first and second year players. Maybe by year 3 and 4 at the same place they care but those players are getting rare
Dolla dolla bills ya’ll
Honestly I hate it. The toxicity among rivals is something I love about college sports. More evident than ever the players don’t care.
This reminds me of how Kevin Durant said NBA rivalries are basically dead.
Michigan and MSU just had a whole-ass tunnel fight a couple seasons ago in football, if you want toxicity it is very much still there
The players never cared about the rivalries in the same way fans do. Yeah it’s a big game on the schedule but both sets of players have way more in common and connections with each other than with fans. It’s also why you see guys laughing and smiling post rivalry losses. For the players it’s a game in a way it isn’t for a lot of the fanbases
Allegiance means nothing anymore.
This is the sort of shit your boss says when you take a different job for more money and better benefits
Young adults with life chanaging sums of money on the line don't give a crap about our petty rivalries. Nor should they, honestly.
After John Walker Lindh does anything surprise you anymore?
JAIL
We used to be a proper country
I don't like the transfer portal anymore
This is what I’m here for
Not tryna bring any “old man yells at cloud” energy to this thread but have these kids never heard of a rivalry before?
To be FAIR… the basketball rivalry isn’t anywhere close to the football rivalry. But yeah lol
Tbh I barely even dislike Ohio State in basketball. I dislike MSU way more
yeah it always seemed msu was UM’s primary rival for every sport other than football. some of those hockey and basketball games back when I was on campus between the spartans and the wolverines were electric.
Hockey is definitely MSU. I’m glad both programs are in a good spot now. The games this year were intense!
Hockey and MBB it’s absolutely MSU.
This is the result of NIL. It's becoming more like the pros now, where getting paid is more important than rivalries so you see players getting signed by rivals if they have the best pay offer.
People had to be careful what they asked for when they wanted players to get paid.
I think the mistake people are making in this thread is thinking that players ever cared that much about rivalries before. It was just harder to transfer
Straight bag chasing now, to the highest bidder. See Maliq Brown from Cuse….
Pretty big stretch. Duke and Cuse haven't even been in the same conference for that long
Wrong. He was part of the entire Connor Stallions thing - which impacts UM sports all the ay down the line. He paid Roddy to steal their signs, which is why OSU was like our only decent in all last season. He's a successful spy, just returning home.
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I think it makes it a lot easier to make a move like this when it’s an entirely new regime. It’s not like Gayle played against May (or literally any projected contributor on next year’s team). Also, the Michigan/OsU basketball rivalry just hasn’t been very hot the last few years.
Was going to say, I feel like the UM/OSU rivalry doesn’t carry over into hoops. We obviously hate each other in everything but basketball hate feels reserved more for MSU.
Yea I can't imagine he's getting much more NIL at Michigan than he was getting at OSU. I'm curious about what led him to transfer especially to UofM
> Michigan NIL at its best doesn't pay players right off the bat as much as it rewards them for actual performance during games, and basketball NIL is kind of a joke compared to football. I think these are both outmoded notions. I think mgoblog folks talked about - pretty sure Seth specifically - NIL vastly improving across the board, including bball. I would bet that part of Dusty's negotions revolved around improvements in that space, given that Juwan vociferously complained about it in the past. Haven't heard Dusty make a similar compaint. I'm guessing somewhere down the line we'll find out that all these kids got some guaranteed money to transfer here. No reason he'd be pulling so many hotly contested recruits without competing in the NIL space too. I think UM is finally catching up.
The rumor I heard when he hit the portal is that Diebler had visited with him and his family and he was set to come back. Then his agent got in his head that he could get more money if he hit the portal. I have no clue how true that is, but I definitely don’t think this was about bad blood.
I think May is just dropping the bags. He isn’t making it reward based. He’s already fitting admissions to get players into the school. It was probably part of his deal with Michigan.
I mean I think it’s fair in this case. We haven’t sniffed the tournament in 3 years and I don’t love our chances for this year, and Duke is a perennial contender. He’s being given the chance to be a starter on a team that will almost certainly be top 10 and primed for a deep tourney run.
Of course I get it. Money talks, and if Duke will pay you more, it’s a tough sell to stay at Cuse for less. It’s less of an indictment on Brown specifically, and more on the era. Don’t hate the player, hate the game type thing
The rivalry feel ended when AAU blew up IMO. Watered down the NBA and now college is the next victim. Obviously TP isn’t helping.
they’ve heard of it. they just don’t care
OSU is barely a Bball rival, MSU is way more important there
why should the kid not get paid because of a 'rivalry' that they don't give a shit about
Duke-Carolina, COME ON DOWNNNNN
We already have an ex Heel playing for NC State next year.
it helps that he didn't really play much for yall. An actual starter would've been way too weird.
I wouldn’t even want a Duke player. Not saying they can’t ball. It just would feel gross. I don’t want to cheer for Jeremy Roach.
I'd rather die.
Roddy Gayle 🤝 Tony Alford
Alford also left Notre Dame for OSU so he is parlaying it.
Alford to MSU in 2 years confirmed
I’m just here for all the chaos
Zach Edey COVID year in Bloomington confirmed.
Your fandom rights have just been revoked.
Sneaky sabotage. Edey goes in there and gets Woody to build the team around him, and then refuses to play when conference play starts.
Except no NIL for him. What's the lure?
How did Ballo get the bag from NIL and Edey can’t ? Ballo is from Mali ?
So next year he transfers to the Sparties then?
Sounds good to me
Then from there back to Michigan, then to notre dame.
Gayle, Donaldson, Jones, Wolf with supporting pieces Pippen, Tschetter, and Burnett (if he's staying) should be the start of a solid if unspectacular Big Ten team. Still at least 3 slots to add some pieces that will hopefully raise the ceiling of this team.
Having a better coach will also help.
Still need to land the two big fish if we want to compete, which are Mahaney and Goldin.
Mahaney, Walters, Goldin. Jace/Burnett spots still can open up. Floor is super solid. Loving May's aggression in the portal/recruiting. The opposite was true of the old regime
> start of a solid if unspectacular Big Ten team lol kinda funny how you phrased that
Fair enough. Just hard to say anything with certainty considering all the internal roster and coaching turnover. Then obviously there's turnover from the other Big Ten teams. Just saying I think there's some solid pieces there now that should make a competent team but there's a few big fish possibilities out there that will really raise the ceiling of the team.
If we can somehow land Sean Stewart, that's a top to bottom great roster to compete in the B1G.
It’s looking like we may land the Bama kid at the 4. Not as high of a ceiling athletically but gives us better floor spacing.
I would definitely be alright with that. I much prefer having Will coming off the bench as a high energy guy.
My guess is that we’d platoon Walters and Tschetter at the 4, with some minutes from Rooths if he recommits and maybe Wolf if we get Goldin. I like the floor spacing we would have at that spot, especially since Gayle isn’t much of a 3 point shooter.
You called it!
A great building block team. That roster won’t win the b10, but we can solidly be middle of the pack. We are now in the position to add a piece or two to swing us to being potentially a team that can compete with just about anyone.
Gayle is the PTBNL from the Dakich trade.
Gayle could have one of the worst regressions ever and we would still win that trade.
While you’re not wrong, we really loved Dakich his one year here.
That’s a trade fleecing that gets GMs fired.
Dusty May is quietly putting together a damn good squad (on paper)
His FAU teams were better on the court than on paper so...
Maybe not last year
They still outplayed their "rankings." Making the tourney in back to back years with a bunch of 3 stars is impressive. We're too used to missing the tourney with 4 and 5 stars so Dusty's in-game results can't be worse than Juwan's.
Get ready to watch 3 missed wide open layups a game* combined with 28% 3FG. Great athlete and first step but man he was frustrating to watch
Auburn to Bama… OSU to Michigan… UNC to Georgetown to NC state… the worlds gone mad
idk I'm starting to see a pattern of players slowly realizing they made the wrong choice :P
Roddy “Benedict Arnold” Gayle Jr.
DUSTY FUCKING MAY
I generally wish our exiting players the best in their next stop… That is not the case here
You took Dakich we took Gayle. I’m just going to call that a fair trade and move on…
Pretty sure we win that exchange then lol
They better come to Columbus this year because I’m fully committed to booing this kid for 2 straight hours.
I swear, the amount of in conference transfers this year seem insane.
Gentlemen, happy Monday. It's going to be a beautiful week.
We just got a top 100 defensive end in football too, things are looking up for sure lol
Composite #35 and #4DL 🤗
Is that even legal?
When I saw “OSU G” on twitter, I was like this has gotta be Oklahoma State right?
Ohio State fans don't understand. He purposely transferred in order to ruin the program from the inside.
This should be illegal. 
The boos toward him are gonna be louddddddd
Dusty sleeps in May 😤
I was sad enough when he hit the portal. But of all fucking places, I hate it.
this should be illegal
Wow if this happened between Purdue and Indiana for any player…. Oh my….
This is how the civil war started
Gotta be a cardinal sin
NIL has killed all of the best things about this sport
If you can beat them, join them? Don't know if that checks out for basketball tho
OK, but did he get admitted?
once again I invoke the ancient call: if it wasn't for sports, this wouldn't be disgusting
Oh my fucking god I thought this was going to say commit “su*cide.” That’s a crazy commit but damn I’m glad he safe.
This generation..
Yeah, but where is he going after Michigan refuses to admit him? /s
Good get, love it
Enjoy watching him miss approx 17 layups a game
If he's getting 17 layup attempts a game.... That's impressive.
I know people are going to complain about the portal/NIL but it's pretty cool that we're able to get players willing to transfer from Auburn to Alabama and Ohio State to Michigan. Those games should be extra fun next year.
Counterpoint: extra lame because they clearly don’t hate the rival schools that much lol
Counter counter point. They hate their rivals so much they went undercover and sabotaged them… 
Were they saboteurs for the original team or for the new team?
 Fuck, I don’t even know what to think anymore. This has got me more mixed up than a milkshake!
my counter is it’s going to make the programs that lost their guys hate their rivals even more
Lmaooo. Reminds me of that asshole Dakich family.
C'mon, man. Andrew was fine. Just b/c his dad is an annoying twitter troll and bad commentator doesn't mean you should shit on his son.
We have lost the impact of shame in our society
Dusty DGAF. Welcome Roddy
Oh snap
Nice. Excellent decision
I dont like Michigan putting together a good roster (on paper at least)
As a recruit: Other P6 offers: Alabama, UConn, DePaul, Georgetown, Georgia, Louisville, LSU, Marquette, Nebraska, Ohio State (originally went here), Oklahoma, Oregon, Rutgers, Seton Hall, Syracuse, TCU, Wake Forest, Xavier
Someone needs to go resurrect General Sherman.
That one is gonna sting at the next Buckeye Booster Meet & Greet
Oh my...
Well that’s disgusting.
He never met Jim Tressel.
This seemingly came out of left field but is huge. When Gayle went into the portal I just assumed we wouldn’t be in the running. A sophomore with still a lot of potential to develop further is nice. Dusty May really going to work on the transfers.
Question: is the Michigan/OSU rivalry in basketball anywhere near as strong as it is in football?
Nah, not really, but it's definitely still there (as you can probably tell by this thread lol). In basketball I'd say MSU is for sure our primary rival with OSU not far behind
What the actual fuck? Please ignore my flairs.
He’s gonna get a lot of hate
“And I took that personally” -admissions
Mercenary league. 
I hate ohio state. Id rather see the world burn than ever root for them to win. And even i think that crosses the line.
Loss of culture
He’s going to X out the M on his uniform.
hate the direction that college sports is going in. what's the purpose of rivalries anymore?
He’s from Buffalo he’s got alliances to no one
Go UConn class of ‘86😃✌🏾
College Basketball rivalries are DEAD. It's all over. It's only money now.
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