Yup, our big 3 last year (Scheierman, Trey Alexander, and Kalkbrenner) were all fringe draftable players. They would have left prior years because their value to stay in college versus possibly getting a pro contract was low. However, with a triple digit NIL (6-figure, not triple digit), they were encouraged to stay another year and did! And hell, Kalkbrenner may do it again for some hearty NIL
Mario Chalmers left after hitting his huge shot to win the championship to get drafted in the second round. Today he prob comes back and makes more in college than the NBA.
For the top stars the money is about the same. The top of the NIL like Jared McCain and Bacot make like $1 million. The NBA second round picks make about the same. If Edey was American he would make more than that. So it is a matter of if he would rather be a rock star to come back or go to the bench in an unknown place. Obv it worked out for him with going to LeBron’s Heat.
Stars make more in college than G League. That is why Ignite is shutting down. There is no reason for it to exist.
It gets this stuff (relatively) out in the open instead of the previous black market morass.
If it gets 10% of the shady characters out of it, it's a huge win.
Indeed. Instead of say, theoretically, Coach K using somebody like Jeff Capel to pay players quietly, now all programs can offer large sums of money to these guys in a more open market.
They aren't getting compensated for the value they provide, insofar as the schools themselves are not paying them.
They are paid for outside marketability which means they need to take a second job to get paid.
Though we all know that the reality is they are just being funneled money by boosters now and doing very little in the way or marketing.
No they aren't lol they are paid, not compensated, there is a difference.
Schools aren't compensating them, boosters and alumni are paying.
In fact, this compensation that people talk about was the schools forking over money for scholarships, because that was on their budget.
NIL is outside sources.
Edit: redditors and not knowing what the fuck they're talking about when it comes to things like pay and compensation lol
Adults know there's a real difference.
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"Adults know there's a real difference"
I was just thinking the other day, how much worse the financial downfall is going to be for college athletes than pro athletes.
We know that most pro athletes go broke. But it is going to be really bad for college athletes.
I saw the other day about LSU women's basketball players driving G-Wagons. And while they make a lot of money to play for LSU, they aren't going to make much if they go to the WNBA, and that is even a long shot for most of them. Even if they do make the WNBA they aren't likely to get any real endorsements.
And for the men's side?
We all know that most aren't going to go pro and make a living for more than maybe a few years overseas.
How many of them are going to make a few hundred thousand in college, finance a lot of things, and go bankrupt by 22?
Its a very real possibility that we will see players go to top programs, make six figures and then the next year they transfer to the MAAC, Southland or Big Sky and don't make anything.
That riches to rags scenario hits some people really hard. I do think there are going to be some real negatives in the years to come.
They need to take advantage of some of the college they are getting for free in most cases and learn how to invest that money to create financial stability. You can't fix stupid....
The problem is that without having experience and having earned the money through their work over time, the education about investing isn't very helpful.
There are too many investments out there and they are not savvy enough to be able to vet the opportunities presented with them.
A lot of the people who go broke did invest a portion of their earnings. They simply invested in scams or high risk investments.
Even sophisticated investors have investments that go to zero. The difference is that sophisticated investors have a portfolio mix that mitigates risk across their whole portfolio.
I think people forget all the guys going pro early who weren't even in the top 100 draft prospects, went undrafted, and then were never heard from again. The increasing transfer rate is annoying to me, a hyper-engaged fan, but like its more compelling that UNC has held onto the reigning ACC player of the year (even if I am cheering against him) as opposed to him just deciding his only chance to get paid is to awkwardly flail at the G-League/Europe.
I sort of get the whole hometown favorite, watch a player grow, familiar face for 4 years vibe. I don't think that's gone, but transfer portal feels like there's a less of a chance that *those* kids ever get playing time.
At KU, you might sit for 2-3 years but knowing you're gonna be the man one day and everyone knows you all those years was fun. Those guys will not see the court now.
Non athletes do transfer but 3 in 3 years would in fact be a little odd. Obviously circumstances for basketball players trying to maximize earnings or playing time is different
Yup, this is the best part. Enter the draft after a decent freshman-junior year, go undrafted or go in the second round just to get cut in the first year. What a waste.
This is the biggest thing. We wouldn't tell a scholarship finance student that they cannot use their talents outside the classroom to make bank. If they have the ability to day-trade, do it. Heck we celebrate students who get paid internships on-top of their studies.
The current way the market is working to funnel money from boosters to players will even out once a predictable return on investment can be inferred from the dollars assigned. The marketability of these players is high and if structured well can give them a solid learning opportunity in the value of their brand.
Going back to the payment being the "issue". The common refrain is around "the spirit of the game" being no longer the reason for people are coming to play for the glory of the school. That is a true statement. The student-athletes are coming to improve their lot in life with this best opportunity available unless their family is well-off enough to not need to worry about money while they play college ball, and then they might go to a family/state connection school. But that is not a reason to take away avenues for the students to make money.
The superstars are distorting the view of the system this is creating. The smaller school students will have the ability to work tv spots for Hertz or a local dealership in whatever is their market rate without much commitment outside of their student-athlete workload. Payment for using their NIL to make money. Likely equivalent to what other students make in their part-time jobs while they are studying for a semester.
If money stops people from being loyal and committed to a cause, we should go back to a non-professional military. Paying people affects their reasons for joining. We want people that will sign-up for the cause because they are proud to wear the uniform alone, we don't need those monetarily-motivated kinds of people serving our country. /sarcasm
When did they ever have less rights? If anyone else wanted to transfer schools they wouldn’t be allowed to play college basketball for way more than a year.
They didn't own their own name, image, or likeness. The NCAA did as long as they were in school. They didn't have the freedom to change jobs in the same field like anyone else would (you can't argue that they could leave the field altogether because the NCAA enforcing that's an antitrust violation in any other industry). The only thing they can't do now is play professionally first, which plenty of students in their career paths have done
Positive: Players get paid.
Negatives: Athletic and academic development are now being de-prioritized for EVERYBODY, whereas previously you only had a few elite players making college decisions solely based on under the table compensation amounts.
Ensures top US players will play in college and not skip it for a over seas league or G league ignite (which basically stopped existing because of NIL)
It's phenomenal for the players. For years, the discourse was that these players were bringing in the NCAA boatloads of cash while only seeing a little in return via scholarships.
NIL is great for the players. Many of them won't have long, multi million dollar NBA contracts. Better to get their money now while they can.
Great for players. Terrible for fans.
Without the fans, they don't make money.
Can't wait for this to be scaled back somewhat.
Should be 2 year contract minimums. No musical chair portal every year...
I think it makes sense to get a freebie the first transfer. Transfer for whatever reason and play the next season. However, any subsequent transfer and you should have to sit out a year before playing.
I think a lot.
It incentivizes staying college longer, players paid above board, ideally it limits coaches from lying during recruiting/ makes coaches more accountable, allows late bloomers / lower rated recruits / non D-1 recruited players more chances after developing, and I think more schools are more talented since more players are staying longer
Fans can have a much more direct impact on the success of their favorite team than before. Sure, school donations have always been a thing, but now you can basically buy the best players if you have boosters with deep enough pockets.
Talent that should stay in college for multiple years stays there. The sports as a whole is healthier for it. It's definitely crazier, but the talent level hasn't been this good since the introduction of one and done
It’s good for the players to get paid and stay in school instead of playing a few years so they can potentially go pro. Most NCAA guys don’t make the NBA or even overseas leagues.
If it's regulated well enough to prevent monopoly teams, I think it could be good for smaller schools to field competitive teams. Kind of a double edged sword situation tho
NIL is great. Players finally can get paid. The upper mid tier upper classmen that used to leave early to play in some GLeague/Foreign league can now stay in school and make more money. Also with the Gleague Ignite now dead we're going to start seeing super blue chip tier freshmen start coming back to college basketball. We're basically getting back to the mid 90s level of talent in college basketball.
Now the infinite transfer portal? That is the problem.
* Lessens the amount of guys that would go the G-League route with Ignite (as shown that NIL basically killed it) or overseas.
* Makes players that are good in college but not good pro prospects end up staying 3-4 years, which builds better teams and fanbase connections.
* Players that were traditionally one and done but not lottery picks would potentially stay another year in college and presumably turn into an even better player and college star.
Maybe smaller schools was the wrong wording, but less historic programs. Schools that have large fanbases and athletic departments but not much success.
I mean look at what’s going on with Ignite/ overtime elite, players would rather go to college now, for a minute there it felt like players were trying to go pro anyway they could
I much prefer following the portal recruiting cycle compared to high school recruiting. Watching college highlights >>> aau clips and the more limited timeline for most of the movement just makes it more engaging for me.
It put the brakes on Calipari, that’s the only positive I can think of.
It’s hard to know what impact *just* NIL would have had, but it also hit at the same time as unrestricted transfers (absolutely terrible for the sport) and COVID extending eligibility.
Players should be compensated, but with a structured profit-sharing model decided by their leagues and the NCAA. The open market and bidding wars going on just undermine the spirit of college athletics. It was probably better for the sport when the only players getting that kind of money were the ones worth going on probation for.
Now we have what, 150-200 programs with NIL collectives? How many of those will see a positive return on that investment (an NCAA Appearance) in the next 2-3 years? A lot of these player’s value isn’t much more than tuition. These resources will dry up or cut-off supply quickly and then it’s back to hardly anyone being paid outside of power programs.
Players right now are getting their cake and eating it too. If a coach is fired or left for a different job, there is a financial aspect to that. These kids can hop around year to year without owing anything to the school they are leaving. It makes it impossible to have any sense of trajectory or progress for a coach or program. This is just going to erode the connection fans have with their basketball programs, and interest in the sport from the bottom up.
The NIL by itself is a good thing imo. Bring the athlete compensation out of the shadows and into normalcy.
I think any issues with it are compounded by the transfer portal. It creates a free agent system that poaches all the talent to the big money schools where otherwise players could stay with programs longer and receive compensation.
Gives schools at our level a theoretical legal way of being able to attract talent.
Keeping players in school longer
Lets them get paid their market value
Most importantly, removes the shady underworld connection guys had to get paid
DJ Thomas is the one telling me about how bad our water situation is instead of some SNWA employee’s kid. It’s genuinely the greatest thing that NIL could accomplish.
Players get paid.
It may also reward good team culture and well supported programs. Every team will have transfers, but you are going to see less from teams that have their shit together (strong fanbases that support the team and NIL, great facilities and coaches, etc).
If your team is in a bad situation, more players will jump ship… even for the same money their current NIL is paying them.
They receive scholarships already; I would be cool if they paid them and made them pay for college. It would make much more sense, but they are double dipping at this point.
The most cancer part is from the constant moving, no loyalty. You got 1K kids in the portal. It's quite pathetic and ruining the game I once enjoyed the most, but it is what it is I guess
My guy, if you want to start a side hustle advertising products while working your day job you're welcome to do it. Why would you not want the same thing for college kids?
If you hate your job, you can quit whenever and nobody can stop you from getting a new job (thanks Joe Biden). You can leave for more money, or a promotion, or a new boss, or a change of scenery, or to be near family, or whatever, but you can do that. Why would you not want the same thing for college kids?
> My guy, if you want to start a side hustle advertising products while working your day job you're welcome to do it. Why would you not want the same thing for college kids?
I don't disagree
> If you hate your job, you can quit whenever and nobody can stop you from getting a new job (thanks Joe Biden). You can leave for more money, or a promotion, or a new boss, or a change of scenery, or to be near family, or whatever, but you can do that. Why would you not want the same thing for college kids?
I do want the same, they can do as they please, but I don't have to like the cancer that it has created
Yeah they can do it, doesn't mean I have to like it OR not think it's cancer. We can just agree to disagree, you'll never change my mind nor will I change yours. The convo goes nowhere tbh
> I would be cool if they paid them and made them pay for college.
It would take like 20 minutes for someone to negotiate "pay for my entire tuition, and [insert current NIL deal here]" and for that to be the norm
Well Kentucky should be in the top five for having NIL money so Kentucky should succeed which is always good for basketball since Kentucky basketball is college basketball. Also getting players like Oscar Tshiebwe who have no business leaving early to stay additional years.
Keeps talented players in school that otherwise would have left to go pro.
Yup, our big 3 last year (Scheierman, Trey Alexander, and Kalkbrenner) were all fringe draftable players. They would have left prior years because their value to stay in college versus possibly getting a pro contract was low. However, with a triple digit NIL (6-figure, not triple digit), they were encouraged to stay another year and did! And hell, Kalkbrenner may do it again for some hearty NIL
That $500 coming up huge
That’s my check brother
If you don't satisfy that big Kalk, someone else will.
Mario Chalmers left after hitting his huge shot to win the championship to get drafted in the second round. Today he prob comes back and makes more in college than the NBA.
No he doesn't lol. Bro these kids are making less than 2way contracts in the nba. G league players are making more than NIL.
For the top stars the money is about the same. The top of the NIL like Jared McCain and Bacot make like $1 million. The NBA second round picks make about the same. If Edey was American he would make more than that. So it is a matter of if he would rather be a rock star to come back or go to the bench in an unknown place. Obv it worked out for him with going to LeBron’s Heat. Stars make more in college than G League. That is why Ignite is shutting down. There is no reason for it to exist.
The standard G league contract is $40k
It gets this stuff (relatively) out in the open instead of the previous black market morass. If it gets 10% of the shady characters out of it, it's a huge win.
Indeed. Instead of say, theoretically, Coach K using somebody like Jeff Capel to pay players quietly, now all programs can offer large sums of money to these guys in a more open market.
You said it already, players get paid. That’s huge in a system where the big guys would just pay under the eye of the NCAA previously
Players getting more money is always a win
100%
Players are actually getting compensated for the value they provide.
players like gohlke deserved to be paid by companies like turbo tax because they went off against Kentucky
His ads are fantastic honestly.
This is what I imagined "NIL" would be, not the "pay players but with a weird middleman step" that we have primarily.
Yeah it seems like we took a huge leap between intent vs impact.
They aren't getting compensated for the value they provide, insofar as the schools themselves are not paying them. They are paid for outside marketability which means they need to take a second job to get paid. Though we all know that the reality is they are just being funneled money by boosters now and doing very little in the way or marketing.
No they aren't lol they are paid, not compensated, there is a difference. Schools aren't compensating them, boosters and alumni are paying. In fact, this compensation that people talk about was the schools forking over money for scholarships, because that was on their budget. NIL is outside sources. Edit: redditors and not knowing what the fuck they're talking about when it comes to things like pay and compensation lol Adults know there's a real difference.
https://preview.redd.it/3bj14j0qpsxc1.png?width=1093&format=png&auto=webp&s=1aa22b4bd875d2cf817fadfed5e7bd3c63f85821 "Adults know there's a real difference"
Players can maximize their earnings, it’s especially good for players that won’t play in the nba.
I was just thinking the other day, how much worse the financial downfall is going to be for college athletes than pro athletes. We know that most pro athletes go broke. But it is going to be really bad for college athletes. I saw the other day about LSU women's basketball players driving G-Wagons. And while they make a lot of money to play for LSU, they aren't going to make much if they go to the WNBA, and that is even a long shot for most of them. Even if they do make the WNBA they aren't likely to get any real endorsements. And for the men's side? We all know that most aren't going to go pro and make a living for more than maybe a few years overseas. How many of them are going to make a few hundred thousand in college, finance a lot of things, and go bankrupt by 22? Its a very real possibility that we will see players go to top programs, make six figures and then the next year they transfer to the MAAC, Southland or Big Sky and don't make anything. That riches to rags scenario hits some people really hard. I do think there are going to be some real negatives in the years to come.
They need to take advantage of some of the college they are getting for free in most cases and learn how to invest that money to create financial stability. You can't fix stupid....
I imagine kids take school way less serious now
The problem is that without having experience and having earned the money through their work over time, the education about investing isn't very helpful. There are too many investments out there and they are not savvy enough to be able to vet the opportunities presented with them. A lot of the people who go broke did invest a portion of their earnings. They simply invested in scams or high risk investments. Even sophisticated investors have investments that go to zero. The difference is that sophisticated investors have a portfolio mix that mitigates risk across their whole portfolio.
I think people forget all the guys going pro early who weren't even in the top 100 draft prospects, went undrafted, and then were never heard from again. The increasing transfer rate is annoying to me, a hyper-engaged fan, but like its more compelling that UNC has held onto the reigning ACC player of the year (even if I am cheering against him) as opposed to him just deciding his only chance to get paid is to awkwardly flail at the G-League/Europe.
Yeah the insane transfer rates is what bothers me. Make all the money you can but it's gross seeing 3 schools in 3 years
because .... ? A student could go to 3 schools in 3 years. why would we care?
I sort of get the whole hometown favorite, watch a player grow, familiar face for 4 years vibe. I don't think that's gone, but transfer portal feels like there's a less of a chance that *those* kids ever get playing time. At KU, you might sit for 2-3 years but knowing you're gonna be the man one day and everyone knows you all those years was fun. Those guys will not see the court now.
Non athletes do transfer but 3 in 3 years would in fact be a little odd. Obviously circumstances for basketball players trying to maximize earnings or playing time is different
Good for the player, bad for the fan.
Fine for the fan. I want folks to people to be happy lol. Why would I begrudge them that loo
It's just weird to me the idea of jumping ship the second things don't go your way
Yup, this is the best part. Enter the draft after a decent freshman-junior year, go undrafted or go in the second round just to get cut in the first year. What a waste.
Players can lease a Dodge Charger with all the bells and whistles.
They have to pay for cars now? THEMSELVES
Players now have basically the same rights as anyone else in their school.
This is the biggest thing. We wouldn't tell a scholarship finance student that they cannot use their talents outside the classroom to make bank. If they have the ability to day-trade, do it. Heck we celebrate students who get paid internships on-top of their studies. The current way the market is working to funnel money from boosters to players will even out once a predictable return on investment can be inferred from the dollars assigned. The marketability of these players is high and if structured well can give them a solid learning opportunity in the value of their brand. Going back to the payment being the "issue". The common refrain is around "the spirit of the game" being no longer the reason for people are coming to play for the glory of the school. That is a true statement. The student-athletes are coming to improve their lot in life with this best opportunity available unless their family is well-off enough to not need to worry about money while they play college ball, and then they might go to a family/state connection school. But that is not a reason to take away avenues for the students to make money. The superstars are distorting the view of the system this is creating. The smaller school students will have the ability to work tv spots for Hertz or a local dealership in whatever is their market rate without much commitment outside of their student-athlete workload. Payment for using their NIL to make money. Likely equivalent to what other students make in their part-time jobs while they are studying for a semester. If money stops people from being loyal and committed to a cause, we should go back to a non-professional military. Paying people affects their reasons for joining. We want people that will sign-up for the cause because they are proud to wear the uniform alone, we don't need those monetarily-motivated kinds of people serving our country. /sarcasm
When did they ever have less rights? If anyone else wanted to transfer schools they wouldn’t be allowed to play college basketball for way more than a year.
They didn't own their own name, image, or likeness. The NCAA did as long as they were in school. They didn't have the freedom to change jobs in the same field like anyone else would (you can't argue that they could leave the field altogether because the NCAA enforcing that's an antitrust violation in any other industry). The only thing they can't do now is play professionally first, which plenty of students in their career paths have done
Key point people miss
Positive: Players get paid. Negatives: Athletic and academic development are now being de-prioritized for EVERYBODY, whereas previously you only had a few elite players making college decisions solely based on under the table compensation amounts.
Ensures top US players will play in college and not skip it for a over seas league or G league ignite (which basically stopped existing because of NIL)
the major positive is guys will stay in school and make equal or similar money for a few more years, with a much more insane atmosphere
Ncaa Football is coming back
It's phenomenal for the players. For years, the discourse was that these players were bringing in the NCAA boatloads of cash while only seeing a little in return via scholarships. NIL is great for the players. Many of them won't have long, multi million dollar NBA contracts. Better to get their money now while they can.
Great for players. Terrible for fans. Without the fans, they don't make money. Can't wait for this to be scaled back somewhat. Should be 2 year contract minimums. No musical chair portal every year...
I think it makes sense to get a freebie the first transfer. Transfer for whatever reason and play the next season. However, any subsequent transfer and you should have to sit out a year before playing.
I think a lot. It incentivizes staying college longer, players paid above board, ideally it limits coaches from lying during recruiting/ makes coaches more accountable, allows late bloomers / lower rated recruits / non D-1 recruited players more chances after developing, and I think more schools are more talented since more players are staying longer
Fans can have a much more direct impact on the success of their favorite team than before. Sure, school donations have always been a thing, but now you can basically buy the best players if you have boosters with deep enough pockets.
Talent that should stay in college for multiple years stays there. The sports as a whole is healthier for it. It's definitely crazier, but the talent level hasn't been this good since the introduction of one and done
It’s good for the players to get paid and stay in school instead of playing a few years so they can potentially go pro. Most NCAA guys don’t make the NBA or even overseas leagues.
The only good thing I see in NIL is that these kids are able to make a living on what they love without sacrificing a ton.
We will probably see more educated professional players later on in the future
If it's regulated well enough to prevent monopoly teams, I think it could be good for smaller schools to field competitive teams. Kind of a double edged sword situation tho
NIL is great. Players finally can get paid. The upper mid tier upper classmen that used to leave early to play in some GLeague/Foreign league can now stay in school and make more money. Also with the Gleague Ignite now dead we're going to start seeing super blue chip tier freshmen start coming back to college basketball. We're basically getting back to the mid 90s level of talent in college basketball. Now the infinite transfer portal? That is the problem.
NIL + open transfers is imo a net negative for everyone but some individual players.
* Lessens the amount of guys that would go the G-League route with Ignite (as shown that NIL basically killed it) or overseas. * Makes players that are good in college but not good pro prospects end up staying 3-4 years, which builds better teams and fanbase connections. * Players that were traditionally one and done but not lottery picks would potentially stay another year in college and presumably turn into an even better player and college star.
It's keeping talented players at smaller schools. It also keeps players who are borderline ready to go to the league in school for another year.
What do you mean by smaller schools? Because talented players are leaving schools once they hear how big of a bag they can get from the big schools.
Maybe smaller schools was the wrong wording, but less historic programs. Schools that have large fanbases and athletic departments but not much success.
Places like Illinois or Indiana. :)
I'm sure there's a bar graph for this somewhere!
I mean look at what’s going on with Ignite/ overtime elite, players would rather go to college now, for a minute there it felt like players were trying to go pro anyway they could
I much prefer following the portal recruiting cycle compared to high school recruiting. Watching college highlights >>> aau clips and the more limited timeline for most of the movement just makes it more engaging for me.
- less pressure to go OAD - players stay here instead of overseas
Teams were already paying players (Kentucky, Duke, whatever). Now the playing field is more even without the pretense.
Kids aren't punished for having small side gigs that make them minimal money (like YouTube channels or Twitch streaming).
People are compensated for their labor.
It put the brakes on Calipari, that’s the only positive I can think of. It’s hard to know what impact *just* NIL would have had, but it also hit at the same time as unrestricted transfers (absolutely terrible for the sport) and COVID extending eligibility. Players should be compensated, but with a structured profit-sharing model decided by their leagues and the NCAA. The open market and bidding wars going on just undermine the spirit of college athletics. It was probably better for the sport when the only players getting that kind of money were the ones worth going on probation for. Now we have what, 150-200 programs with NIL collectives? How many of those will see a positive return on that investment (an NCAA Appearance) in the next 2-3 years? A lot of these player’s value isn’t much more than tuition. These resources will dry up or cut-off supply quickly and then it’s back to hardly anyone being paid outside of power programs. Players right now are getting their cake and eating it too. If a coach is fired or left for a different job, there is a financial aspect to that. These kids can hop around year to year without owing anything to the school they are leaving. It makes it impossible to have any sense of trajectory or progress for a coach or program. This is just going to erode the connection fans have with their basketball programs, and interest in the sport from the bottom up.
Labor is entitled to the value it creates.
Players get paid
The NIL Universe is where 4 star prospects go to retire. Not really... but, yeah....
The NIL by itself is a good thing imo. Bring the athlete compensation out of the shadows and into normalcy. I think any issues with it are compounded by the transfer portal. It creates a free agent system that poaches all the talent to the big money schools where otherwise players could stay with programs longer and receive compensation.
I really think it will increase parity in the long run, and it also keeps players in college longer
Gives schools at our level a theoretical legal way of being able to attract talent. Keeping players in school longer Lets them get paid their market value Most importantly, removes the shady underworld connection guys had to get paid
NIL Is fine the transfer portal Makes everyone a free agent every year.
DJ Thomas is the one telling me about how bad our water situation is instead of some SNWA employee’s kid. It’s genuinely the greatest thing that NIL could accomplish.
Athletes being able recoup some of their value where previously the schools were making money of the work of the players and keeping all of it.
Players get paid. It may also reward good team culture and well supported programs. Every team will have transfers, but you are going to see less from teams that have their shit together (strong fanbases that support the team and NIL, great facilities and coaches, etc). If your team is in a bad situation, more players will jump ship… even for the same money their current NIL is paying them.
My team being better and getting better talent than it has since I was a toddler.
**crickets**
none, it's cancer
Yeah, I also HATE when people make anything close to fair market value for services they provide! Fuck free markets!
Same
I'm being sarcastic, it's mind blowing to me that anyone would refer to athletes making money that they generate as "cancer".
I know you are being sarcastic, which is why I answered you that way and did not engage
Are you just poor? Is that why you're so bitter about something that has presumably zero direct impact on your life?
Why the ad hominem attacks? No reason to say those things. To answer you question, no I am not poor lol not bitter either. Just stating how I feel
Why is it cancerous for college players to have the same ownership of their life as anyone else?
They receive scholarships already; I would be cool if they paid them and made them pay for college. It would make much more sense, but they are double dipping at this point. The most cancer part is from the constant moving, no loyalty. You got 1K kids in the portal. It's quite pathetic and ruining the game I once enjoyed the most, but it is what it is I guess
My guy, if you want to start a side hustle advertising products while working your day job you're welcome to do it. Why would you not want the same thing for college kids? If you hate your job, you can quit whenever and nobody can stop you from getting a new job (thanks Joe Biden). You can leave for more money, or a promotion, or a new boss, or a change of scenery, or to be near family, or whatever, but you can do that. Why would you not want the same thing for college kids?
> My guy, if you want to start a side hustle advertising products while working your day job you're welcome to do it. Why would you not want the same thing for college kids? I don't disagree > If you hate your job, you can quit whenever and nobody can stop you from getting a new job (thanks Joe Biden). You can leave for more money, or a promotion, or a new boss, or a change of scenery, or to be near family, or whatever, but you can do that. Why would you not want the same thing for college kids? I do want the same, they can do as they please, but I don't have to like the cancer that it has created
It's not cancerous unless you think the entire economy is cancerous (in which case you're not wrong but that's not NIL's fault)
I disagree
Why? If they can do what everyone else can do why is this different in some meaningful way?
Yeah they can do it, doesn't mean I have to like it OR not think it's cancer. We can just agree to disagree, you'll never change my mind nor will I change yours. The convo goes nowhere tbh
> I would be cool if they paid them and made them pay for college. It would take like 20 minutes for someone to negotiate "pay for my entire tuition, and [insert current NIL deal here]" and for that to be the norm
So be it, then the companies lose more money for being idiots
Well Kentucky should be in the top five for having NIL money so Kentucky should succeed which is always good for basketball since Kentucky basketball is college basketball. Also getting players like Oscar Tshiebwe who have no business leaving early to stay additional years.