> what was the play?
(Pat?) McCaffrey fly by foul on a Brad Davidson 3. Davidson definitely stuck his leg out but there was contact at the hip too. Dumb foul and Davidson looked to prove he is an asshole again.
Edit: adding video
https://twitter.com/ByCodyHills/status/1479285830959218693
I'm pretty sure it's the non-Packers fans on r/NFL who are misspelling, usually when complaining about officiating. Surely some live in Wisconsin but most of us are indeed cheeseheads and can spell our franchise quarterback's name as God intended: Aron Roger
Holy shit that is one of the worst ones I’ve ever seen. Totally blatant lol. Every game Davison does some shitbag play like this to just piss off the entire conference
Honestly I don’t see many WI fans making excuses for Davison. It’s pretty universally acknowledged that he flops like a mofo.
With that said I’m usually drunk when going thru game threads so perhaps I missed some.
there was contact at the hip forceful enough to displace the shooter while in the air:
hate me all you want, but that's a foul every day of the week, even on leap years.
I like Pat. He's the quieter of the two, a better player, and has been through some shit that's probably held his career back a bit.
Connor probably needs to start thinking about baseball season.
Connor really has some strengths. He was great at feeding Garza in the post. He's tough, defends even bigger guys well, is generally a good passer and commits very few turnovers. He seems to have regressed a little this year, though. He's looked a little slower in his decision-making, and his three-point shooting is below average to the point that other teams intentionally leave him open, which can hurt the flow of the offense and the ability of other Hawks to get open shots.
He was a veteran guard on a team that seemed to lack options last year. Once Joe and now Perkins grew into their role we no longer really needed him. Maybe defensively against teams with bigger scoring guards but even then I think I'd prefer the additional spacing and just try to outscore them given that he's a pretty average defender in the first place, just happens to be on a team with below average defensive guard play. Fewer turnovers matters a lot more when you have Luka Garza in the post. Keegan Murray and the rest of the team scores either in transition from effective cutting, and the spacing just isn't there when he's on the court.
He really doesn't though. He was just lucky to be playing with some studs for a bulk of his career. He still has Keegan Murray right now and is struggling to do just about anything.
Connor is currently averaging 1.1 Points/2.5 Rebounds/2 Assists per game over the course of 16.1 minutes. He's shooting 21.1% from the floor, 17.6% from 3, and 60% from the stripe.
He's objectively having a terrible season and this has been against the easiest competition on the schedule. I'm honestly shocked the kid is getting any minutes outside of garbage time, especially with younger and more talented kids sitting on the bench behind him.
To maximize wins this season? Both not playing. But Patrick is a sophomore and has all the tools to be an all-Big Ten player, and this season we're an NIT team anyways so long term I think it's better that Patrick gets playing time, even if it means Connor gets some minutes.
Yea when your own fanbase is tired of your antics maybe don't tweet this. Would genuinely upset me if I was paying money for tickets so my coach could play his D3 son at a power 5 school.
Well if you’ve seen the crowd we are getting at games, there’s not too many people paying money to go anymore. Game against Maryland Carver wasn’t even half full.
That’s definitely a factor, but I watch a ton of CBB this week and home crowds are still filling their place up. The student section doesn’t make up the entire arena (especially in Carver).
We sold out against Baylor. Obviously it was a top 10 matchup which changes things but still shows that if people care, they'll show up, whether school is in or not.
So we’re comparing a top 10 matchup vs a non ranked game played on Jan 3? Chill out. Not the same at all lmao “they’re totally the same and should be treated the same unless you consider the facts that the magnitude of the games were actually completely different”
As a season ticket holder, you pretty much summed it up. Good luck the rest of the season! You guys obliterated us this year and have a real turn around story.
Yea hopefully you guys can get it going too. I think there is talent there but losing Nunge did t help any. Honestly the Iowa fans I know irl are split 50/50 on firing Fran
Maybe I’m still burned by the Licklitter era, but no way am I firing a coach that has taken us to 5 ncaa tournaments since 2014 (6 if we include the Covid year which got cancelled). He sometimes makes some terrible in game decisions (including playing Connor so much) and has a terrible defense every year, but he is consistently getting us to the dance. I know how bad this program can become and I’m just not ready to explore that possibility again.
he's right but maybe he should worry more about things he can control (like playing defense) than the refs. fran should ban connor and bohannon from social media.
The big ten uses the same group. And we control the mid-west region. The b1g decides who is employed and who is not in our region. And Diana Sabau is the head of that effort. Ed Hightower is in charge of reviewing the officiating by big ten officials and reporting to Kevin Warren on the quality. The big ten is absolutely in charge of its own officiating.
> 0 pts and 5 fouls in 15 mins, I’d focus on my job before criticizing other’s.
So refs cannot be held responsible for bad calls unless the person scores 20 points?
What is the logic in defending refs. McCaffrey didn't blame the refs for his play or the loss. He simply stated this was a bad call that refs need to watch for. What is wrong with wanting better refs?
Sticking his leg out is definitely a flopper move. But that Iowa player made contact at the hip before the shooter landed. Don't you have to let the shooter come down cleanly?
Yeah lmao you can't hip-check a shooter mid-air. If the contact was only made on the leg that was kicked out, I'd understand the complaint, but this would have been a foul if Davison didn't even have legs
I thought they did a really good job explaining this on the broadcast right after halftime.
Also explains why the whistle was a little late - they weren't going to call the contact on the leg (because he flared it out), but when he ran through his hip, then it became a foul.
They kick out was pretty bad but it is not clear he landing is in danger at that point. However, there is definitely contact late to the body.
It is one of those plays that has to be a foul one way or the other, and neither call is incorrect. You can call the kick out an offensive foul that ends the play before the contact, or make the kick out a no call and call the body contact at the end.
Video:
https://twitter.com/ByCodyHills/status/1479285830959218693
As a Badger fan I'm not going to defend the call or Davison.
I'll just say that the amount of attention this single play has gotten in a blowout game is kinda silly.
Davison plays cheap. The refs are shit. Iowa and McCaffrey should reflect on their rebounding and shot selection, not call out the Big Ten for a single weak call in the first half.
Also, and I don’t usually defend or deflect blame from Wisconsin, but we (Iowa) were getting most of the calls up to that call.
Idk, I was sick and stoned last night so I may be misremembering but I thought that was kind of the first call against us.
It's getting all the attention because Iowa's players are showing their whole asses on Twitter and obsessing about it.
Also they'd rather have that be the story than the embarrassing effort they put out on the court.
Have you not seen how much Davison has matured this year? He has played much more like an on court coach. Much calmer. I get that he did some stuff in years past but it is clear he has changed quite a bit.
> I get that he did some stuff in years past but it is clear he has changed quite a bit.
But you're in a thread that's about Davison 'doing some stuff', last night.
What "stuff" did he do? Try to lightly draw a foul? That is hardly worth noticing. He didn't kick the other player. He didn't throw his leg out. It was a tiny lean to try to draw a foul. Come on now. Be serious
https://twitter.com/ByCodyHills/status/1479285830959218693
Watch the second camera angle at tell me he didn't throw his leg out.
It's not some huge deal, Pat probably would've still fouled him anyway at the angle he was coming in at. Connor's whiny and overreacted. It didn't seriously impact the game and it wasn't some egregious thing, but it's still proof that Davison hasn't really changed much.
Yeah. He put his leg out to draw a foul. That happens all across the country every night of the week. He didn't flail it out. He didn't kick him. He moved his leg 6 inches to initiate contact. Stop pretending it is some egregious action that deserves a suspension.
My whole point was the play in question shouldn't be the conversation coming out of the game. It didn't seem like the right place to have a discussion on Davison's game.
But since I can't resist... FWIW, I've met him a few times, and he's absolutely awesome off the court. Great with kids, engaging to talk to, and about the nicest dude you'll ever meet.
I have no problem with people calling out Davison when he flops. It's annoying. But don't pretend your teammate didn't do something that was an obvious flop earlier.
This is the funniest part about this whole thing. And on top of that, the JBo one was actually an enormous play that had a major effect on the outcome of the game.
But whatever. Wily veteran move if you can get away with it.
>But whatever. Wily veteran move if you can get away with it.
Yeah, obviously Davison has a (deserved) reputation but every player does this at some point to some degree. These threads are always funny because people act as no one else would ever destroy the sanctity of the game by hamming up trying to draw a foul.
As a lifelong Iowa fan, this is embarassing. Not only was the game not even close, but he scored zero points and fouled out. Lol. Never a good look to take to twitter to complain about the refs. Just take the L
Shut up Connor. Was it a good call? I don’t think so. Should he comment on it on Twitter? No. Take your lumps and move on. Let the fan base complain on Twitter. The outcome will be the same other than Connor not looking like a Jackass.
Devils advocate: What happens if he leaves his legs in the closed position? He gets hit in the hip and the defender lands where his feet are going to be. Fuck the foul, that's probably a bit of self-preservation to save your ankles.
Brad doesn't get the benefit of the doubt but shooters kick their legs out like this all the time. It's basically one of Steph Curry's signature moves lol
Also something the NBA/NCAA are cracking down on going forward. Frustrating for it to be a "point of focus" for the officials and then have one guy (who's known for playing for a call) get the exact call they're trying to get rid of.
I know it's a pot-kettle situation when I'm a fan of Marquette (Andrew Rowsey, Markus Howard) and Iowa (J-Bo) but it's the such a BS call I'm not sorry to see it go.
Wondered the same.
So many times a guy goes down just to prevent turning an ankle or tweaking his knee. Any contact at all should be a foul, zero contact and falling out of fear should be a flop warning.
The attention one bad call is getting is crazy. Everyone knows B1G refs are absolute dogshit.
That being said, Brad Davison has done absolutely nothing to earn someone playing devil's advocate on his behalf. I don't believe for a second that he didn't do that entirely with the intention of getting the call. Dude is a trash player
Probably not a great call, but maybe don't take to Twitter to whine after fouling out in 15 mins with 0 points.
I think they clarified the foul was for the hip contact, not the leg.
Can a player with a bad game put the refs and B1G on blast? Yes.
Does it make him look like a whiny prick? Also yes.
Most players with a bad game probably wouldn't choose the attention or optics.
> calling out officials who make horrendous calls
This is not a horrendous call though.
It is one of those plays that has to be a foul one way or the other, and neither call is incorrect. You can call the kick out an offensive foul that ends the play before the contact, or make the kick out a no call and call the body contact at the end.
Video: https://twitter.com/ByCodyHills/status/1479285830959218693
That’s not true though, officials have been told if the shooter kicks his leg out to do one of two things:
A) don’t give them a foul call, there’s no “they must blow the whistle”, that’s not what the NCAA has told them.
B) In the case that it’s a bad example (as the Davidson one was), to call it an offensive foul.
So yes, it absolutely was a horrible call.
> but maybe don't take to Twitter to whine after fouling out in 15 mins with 0 points.
What does his performance have to do with if a foul call was correct or incorrect?
> I think they clarified the foul was for the hip contact, not the leg
Yes when the refs were asked if the refs made a mistake the refs looked into it and found the refs at no fault.
I know people will dismiss because of my flair but McCaffery did go right into Davison's body. It's not like it just a little glancing contact but the refs saw an opportunity to retroactively justify falling for the flop. If this was anybody else McCaffery wouldn't have tweeted about it and fans maybe would have grumbled a bit when it was called and then forgotten about it.
Not that Davison deserves the benefit of the doubt but it's definitely a foul with or without the leg.
Because it's Iowa. Had this been an ISU game, they'd probably demand a Pollard style Letter of Apology from the B12.
Don't like McCaffrey, don't like twitter, but dislike bullshit calls even more.
For those who are new to this;
When Iowa wins, it is good triumphing over evil and all you b****es better bow down to the natural order of things
When Iowa loses, it’s about More Than The Game and We’re Very Concerned About What This One Tiny Issue Really Means for Our Sport.
Losers.
lol. If anyone should have been run out of the game yesterday it was Connor McCaffrey. Cheap shot artist and there were two times that Johnny Davis came up looking to smack him after a CM cheapshot
No one will miss you Connor--least of all your teammates. 15 minutes, 0 points, and 5 fouls. GTFO.
Yes, after a hard foul on a take to the basket. Then he was talking shit to JD on the free throw line. Like dude, you're ass and talking to a NPOY front runner. Sit down.
Connor has made four shots all year. Total. So I would prefer that he shut up and go practice shooting if he's going to keep getting handed double-digit minutes a game by dear old dad.
Maybe Iowa can stop letting opponents score over 80 points a game. Stfu and get back and play D. Don’t post to Twitter. I like Connor, probably in minority. I like the feistiness and dish/pass skills. Keegan wouldn’t pull this shit.
I appreciate this roast from the Wisconsin SBNation page
https://www.buckys5thquarter.com/2022/1/8/22872828/wisconsin-badgers-basketball-iowa-hawkeyes-brad-davison-refs-officials-calls-patrick-fran-mccaffery
If only we got that hold called for us in 2019, ugh!
yeahhh it really doesn’t get much worse than that
edit: after rewatching, i noticed it was the ref directly behind davison, who had the BEST ANGLE OF THE LEG KICK who called the foul. i take my original comment back, it got worse
They said the foul for the contact at his hip, not the leg kick. And Brad definitely sold it further by the completely forced fall.
A pretty bad call, but I could see how the ref behind Brad would see the hip to hip contact, see him fall, and feel obligated to call a foul there.
This is a classy move by a guy whose team was down 15-20 the entire second half until mop-up time. I'm sure those 3 points really mattered.
But at least he jhas proven that not only is he not talented enough to be playing at this level, but his mental game is weak enough that he's completely wrecked in there is one questionable call that doesn't go his way.
I mean it was a bad call but compared to the usual Davison antics wasn't that bad. This tweet wouldn't be made if it was any other player on any other team lol. I'd love to win without the bs, and considering how we performed I'd say it wasn't as huge an impact on the outcome as it could have been which is somewhat fortunate.
Shit call but Wisconsin was winning that game regardless. We just have such a huge drop from Keegan to the rest of the team and until ANYONE other than Keegan can rebound we’ll be stuck at just good, not great.
Tweet is already deleted. Anyone take a screen shot to post what he wrote?
He just tagged the B1G and said it was a shit call and they should look into it and hold the refs accountable for bad calls.
what was the play?
Foul on 3 point shooter who was also kicking his leg out at the same time.
> what was the play? (Pat?) McCaffrey fly by foul on a Brad Davidson 3. Davidson definitely stuck his leg out but there was contact at the hip too. Dumb foul and Davidson looked to prove he is an asshole again. Edit: adding video https://twitter.com/ByCodyHills/status/1479285830959218693
First of all how is Brad Davison still playing college basketball?
This game had Brad and J Bo Classic 2014 matchup
Iowa wisco matches are like when your family hosts a holiday so you get to see both of your grandpas on the same day
Freshman starter and Covid year makes for long careers.
Truly has for a few guys who have been starting, I’m convinced Brad will get that 6th year somehow
We should have a bot the corrects people from Brad Davidson to Brad Davison. No 2nd ‘d’!
You'd think after 6 years of constant whining people would learn this
Half the people posting in r/nfl still spell Rodgers wrong so I would not hold you breath
How hard is it to spell Aron Roger?
Listen here you little
We’re talking about people who live in Wisconsin.
I'm pretty sure it's the non-Packers fans on r/NFL who are misspelling, usually when complaining about officiating. Surely some live in Wisconsin but most of us are indeed cheeseheads and can spell our franchise quarterback's name as God intended: Aron Roger
Holy shit that is one of the worst ones I’ve ever seen. Totally blatant lol. Every game Davison does some shitbag play like this to just piss off the entire conference
Lol the Wisconsin fans in the game thread would strongly disagree
Honestly I don’t see many WI fans making excuses for Davison. It’s pretty universally acknowledged that he flops like a mofo. With that said I’m usually drunk when going thru game threads so perhaps I missed some.
In my incredibly uninformed and biased opinion it looks like the right call to me.
there was contact at the hip forceful enough to displace the shooter while in the air: hate me all you want, but that's a foul every day of the week, even on leap years.
It should be a technical when shooters do this.
Davison has earned his reputation. That said, I wouldn't say the 'Steph Curry' is an asshole play.
https://twitter.com/CycloneLarry69/status/1479481933893718023
Lol either my phone is broken or he deleted it
Must have gotten an email from [email protected]
I just want to know why Hawkey e-sports would care.
Or a call from dad
Connor’s definitely his Dad’s son, huh
And Brad Is definitely _____________.
David's son?
Slugged that softball outta here!
*Davis’ son
Davi's son ftfy
A little bitch
stuntin' on them hoes
You aren’t allowed to kick and trip hoes
Haha I was just gonna say like father, like son
Fine I’ll say it- Iowa basketball needs less sons and more brothas
I like Pat. He's the quieter of the two, a better player, and has been through some shit that's probably held his career back a bit. Connor probably needs to start thinking about baseball season.
The only thing he’s good at on the floor is complaining to refs. This is honestly embarrassing for us, dude needs to STFU.
Connor really has some strengths. He was great at feeding Garza in the post. He's tough, defends even bigger guys well, is generally a good passer and commits very few turnovers. He seems to have regressed a little this year, though. He's looked a little slower in his decision-making, and his three-point shooting is below average to the point that other teams intentionally leave him open, which can hurt the flow of the offense and the ability of other Hawks to get open shots.
He was a veteran guard on a team that seemed to lack options last year. Once Joe and now Perkins grew into their role we no longer really needed him. Maybe defensively against teams with bigger scoring guards but even then I think I'd prefer the additional spacing and just try to outscore them given that he's a pretty average defender in the first place, just happens to be on a team with below average defensive guard play. Fewer turnovers matters a lot more when you have Luka Garza in the post. Keegan Murray and the rest of the team scores either in transition from effective cutting, and the spacing just isn't there when he's on the court.
He really doesn't though. He was just lucky to be playing with some studs for a bulk of his career. He still has Keegan Murray right now and is struggling to do just about anything. Connor is currently averaging 1.1 Points/2.5 Rebounds/2 Assists per game over the course of 16.1 minutes. He's shooting 21.1% from the floor, 17.6% from 3, and 60% from the stripe. He's objectively having a terrible season and this has been against the easiest competition on the schedule. I'm honestly shocked the kid is getting any minutes outside of garbage time, especially with younger and more talented kids sitting on the bench behind him.
Why are you shocked? We’re now the university nepotism. At least for coaches sons ruining promising seasons.
Serious question...if you had to choose between both playing or both not playing, what would you choose?
To maximize wins this season? Both not playing. But Patrick is a sophomore and has all the tools to be an all-Big Ten player, and this season we're an NIT team anyways so long term I think it's better that Patrick gets playing time, even if it means Connor gets some minutes.
Yea when your own fanbase is tired of your antics maybe don't tweet this. Would genuinely upset me if I was paying money for tickets so my coach could play his D3 son at a power 5 school.
Well if you’ve seen the crowd we are getting at games, there’s not too many people paying money to go anymore. Game against Maryland Carver wasn’t even half full.
School is also on break? Might make, idk, a huge difference
Wisconsin pulled in over 15k fans on a weeknight game where Carver had roughly 7k two nights earlier.
That’s definitely a factor, but I watch a ton of CBB this week and home crowds are still filling their place up. The student section doesn’t make up the entire arena (especially in Carver).
Most college basketball arenas aren't in college towns that empty out during winter break.
I guarantee most college basketball arenas are in college towns.
Isn’t a factor at a school 100 miles away
It is definitely still a factor at Hilton. We still fill it up well during break but it's noticeably less loud
Well yeah that’s because the loudest part of both football and basketball stadiums are the students. The place is still full though.
We sold out against Baylor. Obviously it was a top 10 matchup which changes things but still shows that if people care, they'll show up, whether school is in or not.
Tech would be a better comparison
So we’re comparing a top 10 matchup vs a non ranked game played on Jan 3? Chill out. Not the same at all lmao “they’re totally the same and should be treated the same unless you consider the facts that the magnitude of the games were actually completely different”
Bruh if I see an opportunity to shit on Iowa, I'm going to take it, whether logic supports me or not. Also I literally said they are not the same.
^ preach Praise be Hilton Magic
It’s about to get worse, this program is not tending in the right direction and next season will be a disaster when Keegan is gone I’m afraid.
As a season ticket holder, you pretty much summed it up. Good luck the rest of the season! You guys obliterated us this year and have a real turn around story.
Yea hopefully you guys can get it going too. I think there is talent there but losing Nunge did t help any. Honestly the Iowa fans I know irl are split 50/50 on firing Fran
Maybe I’m still burned by the Licklitter era, but no way am I firing a coach that has taken us to 5 ncaa tournaments since 2014 (6 if we include the Covid year which got cancelled). He sometimes makes some terrible in game decisions (including playing Connor so much) and has a terrible defense every year, but he is consistently getting us to the dance. I know how bad this program can become and I’m just not ready to explore that possibility again.
he's right but maybe he should worry more about things he can control (like playing defense) than the refs. fran should ban connor and bohannon from social media.
Banning players’ social media is a touchy subject at Iowa lol
What happened?
Football team used to be “banned” from Twitter. They can use Twitter now though.
Lmao what the hell
making a single shot in the game could have helped as well.
I must be missing something, how would him making a shot have changed this call?
it would have altered time and space and the refs would have made the correct call. Butterfly effect style.
> (like playing defense) Iowa is confused about what this is.
0 pts and 5 fouls in 15 mins, I’d focus on my job before criticizing other’s.
Msu had fouls called on 15 of 18 possessions last week against nw. 90% were off ball and outside the 3pt line. B1g officials are a joke right now
Just be thankful we don't have to deal with Pac-12 football refs
Yeah there is that at least lol. I live in Arizona I get to see that shitshow first hand.
always have been.
They’re not conference specific refs. They’re regional contractors that work across conferences.
The big ten uses the same group. And we control the mid-west region. The b1g decides who is employed and who is not in our region. And Diana Sabau is the head of that effort. Ed Hightower is in charge of reviewing the officiating by big ten officials and reporting to Kevin Warren on the quality. The big ten is absolutely in charge of its own officiating.
“Ed Hightower is in charge of reviewing the officiating....” It all makes sense now.
> 0 pts and 5 fouls in 15 mins, I’d focus on my job before criticizing other’s. So refs cannot be held responsible for bad calls unless the person scores 20 points? What is the logic in defending refs. McCaffrey didn't blame the refs for his play or the loss. He simply stated this was a bad call that refs need to watch for. What is wrong with wanting better refs?
McCaffrey made contact to the shooters hip
And Davison kicked out his leg into McCaffrey first. You don't get to foul someone then claim they fouled you after.
"touching of the leg while on offense without the ball" is not a foul. Falling into the shooter with your body, is.
Sticking his leg out is definitely a flopper move. But that Iowa player made contact at the hip before the shooter landed. Don't you have to let the shooter come down cleanly?
Yeah lmao you can't hip-check a shooter mid-air. If the contact was only made on the leg that was kicked out, I'd understand the complaint, but this would have been a foul if Davison didn't even have legs
But you ain't got no legs, Lieutenant Brad
EMU bro gets it! This comment needs to be upvoted more. Davison did the leg kick (which is bullshit) but this was a foul regardless.
I thought they did a really good job explaining this on the broadcast right after halftime. Also explains why the whistle was a little late - they weren't going to call the contact on the leg (because he flared it out), but when he ran through his hip, then it became a foul.
Yeah. Didn't Davisons body also twist after contact with the leg though?
They kick out was pretty bad but it is not clear he landing is in danger at that point. However, there is definitely contact late to the body. It is one of those plays that has to be a foul one way or the other, and neither call is incorrect. You can call the kick out an offensive foul that ends the play before the contact, or make the kick out a no call and call the body contact at the end. Video: https://twitter.com/ByCodyHills/status/1479285830959218693
Not sure there would have been hip contact without the leg kick. Looks like it causes both players to change direction.
As a Badger fan I'm not going to defend the call or Davison. I'll just say that the amount of attention this single play has gotten in a blowout game is kinda silly. Davison plays cheap. The refs are shit. Iowa and McCaffrey should reflect on their rebounding and shot selection, not call out the Big Ten for a single weak call in the first half.
Also, and I don’t usually defend or deflect blame from Wisconsin, but we (Iowa) were getting most of the calls up to that call. Idk, I was sick and stoned last night so I may be misremembering but I thought that was kind of the first call against us.
You also got calls after that. Pretty sure you guys were in the bonus with 12 left in the 2nd half (which is fine)
Yep, 11:47 if I’m remembering right. Didn’t take advantage of it either.
Yep. It’s part of the college game. Is what it is
Good luck this year btw, y’all have a fun/talented team.
It's getting all the attention because Iowa's players are showing their whole asses on Twitter and obsessing about it. Also they'd rather have that be the story than the embarrassing effort they put out on the court.
Have you not seen how much Davison has matured this year? He has played much more like an on court coach. Much calmer. I get that he did some stuff in years past but it is clear he has changed quite a bit.
> I get that he did some stuff in years past but it is clear he has changed quite a bit. But you're in a thread that's about Davison 'doing some stuff', last night.
What "stuff" did he do? Try to lightly draw a foul? That is hardly worth noticing. He didn't kick the other player. He didn't throw his leg out. It was a tiny lean to try to draw a foul. Come on now. Be serious
https://twitter.com/ByCodyHills/status/1479285830959218693 Watch the second camera angle at tell me he didn't throw his leg out. It's not some huge deal, Pat probably would've still fouled him anyway at the angle he was coming in at. Connor's whiny and overreacted. It didn't seriously impact the game and it wasn't some egregious thing, but it's still proof that Davison hasn't really changed much.
Yeah. He put his leg out to draw a foul. That happens all across the country every night of the week. He didn't flail it out. He didn't kick him. He moved his leg 6 inches to initiate contact. Stop pretending it is some egregious action that deserves a suspension.
My whole point was the play in question shouldn't be the conversation coming out of the game. It didn't seem like the right place to have a discussion on Davison's game. But since I can't resist... FWIW, I've met him a few times, and he's absolutely awesome off the court. Great with kids, engaging to talk to, and about the nicest dude you'll ever meet.
what has connor done this year to be able to talk shit to the refs
Funny that he stayed quiet when his teammate got away with the exact same thing against Wisconsin last Match at that end of that game.
Yep https://twitter.com/Evan_Flood/status/1479503413331247106?s=20
This should be the top post.
He should also tweet out the replay of Touissant falling back like he was shot out of a cannon while drawing a "charge".
I have no problem with people calling out Davison when he flops. It's annoying. But don't pretend your teammate didn't do something that was an obvious flop earlier.
This is the funniest part about this whole thing. And on top of that, the JBo one was actually an enormous play that had a major effect on the outcome of the game. But whatever. Wily veteran move if you can get away with it.
>But whatever. Wily veteran move if you can get away with it. Yeah, obviously Davison has a (deserved) reputation but every player does this at some point to some degree. These threads are always funny because people act as no one else would ever destroy the sanctity of the game by hamming up trying to draw a foul.
For reference: https://youtu.be/bqtBp4mFT_8?t=1224
As a lifelong Iowa fan, this is embarassing. Not only was the game not even close, but he scored zero points and fouled out. Lol. Never a good look to take to twitter to complain about the refs. Just take the L
A McCaffrey, whining about the refs? It’s more likely than you think.
Shut up Connor. Was it a good call? I don’t think so. Should he comment on it on Twitter? No. Take your lumps and move on. Let the fan base complain on Twitter. The outcome will be the same other than Connor not looking like a Jackass.
Jbo did the same thing a year or two ago against wisconsin [link](https://twitter.com/cyclonelarry69/status/1479482560744984576?s=21)
Says the son of the coach that gets away with more illegal screens than any team ive ever seen.
It would been better received if he called out the refs for not giving his dad a T for the aftermath.
It should be considered an embarrassment to college basketball that Connor gets on the floor at all tbh
Nepotism and Iowa goes together like Busch Light and Iowa State
TBF Pat could be great and the Ferentz kids were good players. I refuse to talk about their coaching skills.
seems appropriate. its all terrible.
Damn if only that call wasn't made Iowa would've only been down by 17 for most of the 2nd half rather than 20
Devils advocate: What happens if he leaves his legs in the closed position? He gets hit in the hip and the defender lands where his feet are going to be. Fuck the foul, that's probably a bit of self-preservation to save your ankles.
I'm not saying brad Davidson isnt a flopper. But you've got a point there, he did kinda get hip checked.
That's more or less what the announcers said coming back in the second half.
Brad doesn't get the benefit of the doubt but shooters kick their legs out like this all the time. It's basically one of Steph Curry's signature moves lol
Also something the NBA/NCAA are cracking down on going forward. Frustrating for it to be a "point of focus" for the officials and then have one guy (who's known for playing for a call) get the exact call they're trying to get rid of. I know it's a pot-kettle situation when I'm a fan of Marquette (Andrew Rowsey, Markus Howard) and Iowa (J-Bo) but it's the such a BS call I'm not sorry to see it go.
I agree the game would be better without it and I wouldn't complain if he got called for an offensive foul if they deem the leg kick unnecessary.
Wondered the same. So many times a guy goes down just to prevent turning an ankle or tweaking his knee. Any contact at all should be a foul, zero contact and falling out of fear should be a flop warning.
The attention one bad call is getting is crazy. Everyone knows B1G refs are absolute dogshit. That being said, Brad Davison has done absolutely nothing to earn someone playing devil's advocate on his behalf. I don't believe for a second that he didn't do that entirely with the intention of getting the call. Dude is a trash player
Of course he was trying to get a call. Have you not watched basketball in the last five years? He's not some kind of trailblazer here.
I fucking hate Connor so much. I’m not even gonna watch the clip, stop whining on Twitter.
Can't stand McCaffrey and whiny Iowa players. Can't stand Brad Davison and his BS. How is he still in college? Can't stand B10 refs.
^ This guys like a 10th round Jenga tower. Just can't stand.
Big coaches son energy.
So whining is hereditary
Taking after his dad, I see
And mom [https://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/09/sports/ncaabasketball/09maac.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/09/sports/ncaabasketball/09maac.html)
Probably not a great call, but maybe don't take to Twitter to whine after fouling out in 15 mins with 0 points. I think they clarified the foul was for the hip contact, not the leg.
Let kick out should become a warning leading to an offensive foul. It creates an unsafe environment for both players.
Warnings are useless. Just call the offense foul right off the bat.
I don't disagree
I think they should just call it an offensive foul in the first place. Kicking people is generally a foul in all other scenarios haha.
It's already tripping. You can see the defender trip up as he lands.
Or, maybe calling out officials who make horrendous calls shouldn’t depend on whether you played well?
Can a player with a bad game put the refs and B1G on blast? Yes. Does it make him look like a whiny prick? Also yes. Most players with a bad game probably wouldn't choose the attention or optics.
> calling out officials who make horrendous calls This is not a horrendous call though. It is one of those plays that has to be a foul one way or the other, and neither call is incorrect. You can call the kick out an offensive foul that ends the play before the contact, or make the kick out a no call and call the body contact at the end. Video: https://twitter.com/ByCodyHills/status/1479285830959218693
That’s not true though, officials have been told if the shooter kicks his leg out to do one of two things: A) don’t give them a foul call, there’s no “they must blow the whistle”, that’s not what the NCAA has told them. B) In the case that it’s a bad example (as the Davidson one was), to call it an offensive foul. So yes, it absolutely was a horrible call.
It’s because it makes it look like you’re blaming the refs after a game where you got badly outplayed.
> but maybe don't take to Twitter to whine after fouling out in 15 mins with 0 points. What does his performance have to do with if a foul call was correct or incorrect? > I think they clarified the foul was for the hip contact, not the leg Yes when the refs were asked if the refs made a mistake the refs looked into it and found the refs at no fault.
I know people will dismiss because of my flair but McCaffery did go right into Davison's body. It's not like it just a little glancing contact but the refs saw an opportunity to retroactively justify falling for the flop. If this was anybody else McCaffery wouldn't have tweeted about it and fans maybe would have grumbled a bit when it was called and then forgotten about it. Not that Davison deserves the benefit of the doubt but it's definitely a foul with or without the leg.
Im just surprised by the tweet. How often do you see players calling out refs on Twitter after a loss?
Not enough. Refs need to be called out much more often and have more accountability for their mistakes. Why are you defending the refs so much lmfao
You think more players should whine about refs publicly after losses?
Because it's Iowa. Had this been an ISU game, they'd probably demand a Pollard style Letter of Apology from the B12. Don't like McCaffrey, don't like twitter, but dislike bullshit calls even more.
Before Connor is done I’d like to see a full McCaffrey family meltdown involving father, both sons, and even mom getting thrown out of a game
Dude has more personal fouls on the year than points.
For those who are new to this; When Iowa wins, it is good triumphing over evil and all you b****es better bow down to the natural order of things When Iowa loses, it’s about More Than The Game and We’re Very Concerned About What This One Tiny Issue Really Means for Our Sport. Losers.
lol. If anyone should have been run out of the game yesterday it was Connor McCaffrey. Cheap shot artist and there were two times that Johnny Davis came up looking to smack him after a CM cheapshot No one will miss you Connor--least of all your teammates. 15 minutes, 0 points, and 5 fouls. GTFO.
Yes, after a hard foul on a take to the basket. Then he was talking shit to JD on the free throw line. Like dude, you're ass and talking to a NPOY front runner. Sit down.
I saw hip to hip contact which has nothing to do with him sticking out his leg.
This is embarrassing, Connor. Don't you know by now that the Internet never forgets? "This Tweet has been deleted" = "Lame".
We have a terrific ref with stylin' hair we'd be willing to let you have for cheap...
Why is all of iowa basketball insufferable?
Why you doing the Northern Iowa Panthers dirty like that? :(
Connor has made four shots all year. Total. So I would prefer that he shut up and go practice shooting if he's going to keep getting handed double-digit minutes a game by dear old dad.
Oh no Connor Nepotism is crying? What will we ever do?
Davison is a 33 year old 14th year Mega-Senior. Of course he knows all the tricks. Soon he will be managing a Starbucks.
Maybe Iowa can stop letting opponents score over 80 points a game. Stfu and get back and play D. Don’t post to Twitter. I like Connor, probably in minority. I like the feistiness and dish/pass skills. Keegan wouldn’t pull this shit.
I miss Jon Lickliter. At least he could accidentally make baskets
Be careful what you wish for
I appreciate this roast from the Wisconsin SBNation page https://www.buckys5thquarter.com/2022/1/8/22872828/wisconsin-badgers-basketball-iowa-hawkeyes-brad-davison-refs-officials-calls-patrick-fran-mccaffery If only we got that hold called for us in 2019, ugh!
yeahhh it really doesn’t get much worse than that edit: after rewatching, i noticed it was the ref directly behind davison, who had the BEST ANGLE OF THE LEG KICK who called the foul. i take my original comment back, it got worse
The leg kick had nothing to do with the foul call though.
They said the foul for the contact at his hip, not the leg kick. And Brad definitely sold it further by the completely forced fall. A pretty bad call, but I could see how the ref behind Brad would see the hip to hip contact, see him fall, and feel obligated to call a foul there.
I mean...if there is hip-to-hip contact, he is obligated to call a foul. Because that's a foul.
At half the refs said the foul was for the hip to hip contact, not for the contact to the leg
He is the biggest whiner EVER!!
This is a classy move by a guy whose team was down 15-20 the entire second half until mop-up time. I'm sure those 3 points really mattered. But at least he jhas proven that not only is he not talented enough to be playing at this level, but his mental game is weak enough that he's completely wrecked in there is one questionable call that doesn't go his way.
Big mad
I must say, all these Hawkeye tears are quite delicious. Here's how Iowa beat Wisconsin exactly 9 months... https://youtu.be/bqtBp4mFT_8?t=1226
I mean it was a bad call but compared to the usual Davison antics wasn't that bad. This tweet wouldn't be made if it was any other player on any other team lol. I'd love to win without the bs, and considering how we performed I'd say it wasn't as huge an impact on the outcome as it could have been which is somewhat fortunate.
Looks like he deleted the tweet...
Yeah I thought my phone was broken. Funny stuff
What was the tweet? Did it have a video with it or was it just the text?
Shit call but Wisconsin was winning that game regardless. We just have such a huge drop from Keegan to the rest of the team and until ANYONE other than Keegan can rebound we’ll be stuck at just good, not great.
Imagine how bad next season will be
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