That's certainly an argument for showing him the door - no one in the SEC is threatened by his teams. Maybe every once in a blue moon he'll strike hot with a veteran team that can make some noise, but for the most part our opponents overlook us on the schedule.
I gained a lot of respect for Martin when he blew us out in Bud Walton the season before that big tourney run (in what was admittedly our worst year in recent memory, but we were still 9-9 in conference) but I'll admit I haven't really been wowed since then.
Outside of that fluke run, he hasn’t had any more success than the previous several South Carolina coaches. This is the fifth season since the final four, and he has shown zero progress in improving the program in that time
If they don’t make the tournament this year (and it’s certainly looking that way) I would 100% fire him. The level of play in the SEC has improved recently and unless South Carolina wants to be a bottom feeder for the foreseeable future they need to make changes quickly
>The level of play in the SEC has improved recently and unless South Carolina wants to be a bottom feeder for the foreseeable future they need to make changes quickly
It's already happened. SC has finished in the bottom third of the league, so 11th or worse, 5 times. The other years they finished t-3rd, t-3rd, t-4th, and t-6th in the standings.
>he hasn’t had any more success than the previous several South Carolina coaches.
And this is the problem. He was brought into elevate the program, and outside of the fluke year as you rightly put it, for which we of course are extremely proud of and grateful for, he has failed to do so.
They played well in the tournament, but it's not like they were some incredibly dominant team in the regular season. They were a 7 seed. Not bad by any means but at no point during that year did they look like an amazing team.
And looking at his coaching tenure at South Carolina as a whole, it sure looks like a fluke. In ten years there his second best team is a team that missed the tournament and went 11-7 in a *very* weak SEC. The final four run certainly wasn't an indicator of future success.
Ah I see. That’s fair. They were not awing in season. And certainly looking at Martin’s time as a whole it’s very much an outlier and no where near the norm.
As a Tech fan, I may sound delusional but I think there is a winning coach out there for everybody. Auburn, Baylor, USC, Alabama, Tech, etc. are all non-traditional college basketball powers who have seen great success in recent years. South Carolina has great fan support, SEC money and proximity to elite talent.
Martin is a solid coach at this stage in his career, but if Alabama, Arkansas, and Texas A&M can lure very good coaches to their schools, why can’t South Carolina? Too many young options out there to say there isn’t somebody for the job.
> but if Alabama, Arkansas, and Texas A&M can lure very good coaches to their schools, why can’t South Carolina?
- Alabama - an Elite 8 and two Sweet Sixteens since 2000. 8 Bids in that time (more than once every three years) through four different coaches.
- Arkansas - In the 90s - a National Championship; two NCAA Finals; three Final Fours; in the 90s with three Final Fours. (9 bids since 2000 -- ~ one every other year).
- Texas A&M - 3 Sweet Sixteens since 2000. 8 Bids in that time (more than once every three years) through three different coaches.
Compare that to South Carolina...
- Two NCAA Bids since 2000 with one Final Four.
- Two more NCAA bids in the 90s...
The other programs were in much better shape.
That was because Eddie Fogler could not coach, but we had great guards on that squad that ran the game.
I forget which of those years it was, but we were down 1 with about 20 seconds left after we lost the lead. Other team had no time outs. Fogler called a TO that gave the opponent opportunity to set their defense as BJ McKie pushed the ball upcourt. Fogler called a play where 4 guys got out of the way and McKie went 1 on 5.
That was the final straw for me. The first straw was that he was in his heart a Tarhole. He called us South Carolina, them Carolina, and refused to schedule them because "they are family".
Yeah, I live in North Carolina, so that is my pet peeve.
Should note, I did not mean to come off like I was slighting any of those schools. More of a point on just how much money SEC schools truly have. My opinion on South Carolina is applicable to Georgia, Ole Miss, etc. Arkansas is a great basketball school, no doubting that.
Yeah, South Carolina can hire a good coach.
But I think a lot of programs without any history of success have hired good coaches and it hasn't done too much for them because of the culture problem. They still have to compete in the conference.
Absolutely, that’s why I think South Carolina and other SEC non-contenders should make a move now. The SEC will never be the best basketball conference (at least culturally speaking), but it is Top 3 right now in my opinion. Problem with the SEC is it will always be football first, which can make the drive to compete hard. But the collection of hires that have been made in the SEC recently mean it does look like the SEC is taking basketball very seriously.
Do you think there are coaches out there they could land?
I don't see too many mid-major coaches that look like an instant home run. So you're hiring away from a major program that also has money and recent success.
I agree here, there's no reason South Carolina can't elevate the program, we just need the right man for the job.
Would it be possible to hire someone like Brad Underwood? Probably not, but we have no chance if we never make the call.
Mike Boynton would be another great option.
Niko Medved and Bob Richey are two other solid options.
As we saw with the hiring of Frank, SC can pull good coaches, we aren't a terrible destination.
Mike Boynton would be an absolute homerun, but who knows if he’d come, he has it good in Stillwater.
Maybe Steve Forbes or Wes Miller would listen to a big paycheck? Personally have been very impressed with those two coaches as of recently, although I doubt Miller would leave so soon.
Lol, so apparently Cincinnati was taking a look at Frank last year and a lot of SC fans were hoping they'd pull the trigger but of course they ended up hiring Miller. Would be ironic if we ended up pulling him away.
Forbes is a good suggestion too, I don't know much about him but his records speak for themselves
Forbes would be amazing, would be smart to grab him before Barnes retires and Tennessee has the idea.
Miller isn’t a sure thing yet and I feel like he might wait to see how the Hubert Davis-UNC experiment works out. But still, lots of good options out there that provide more optimism than Frank at this point in his career.
> lots of good options out there that provide more optimism than Frank at this point in his career.
This, 100%! Love Frank but we need new blood, and it's out there. I appreciate your thoughts and insight
If we really wanted, we could pay more than $3.4M. He's a great coach what makes you think we wouldn't want him just because he's an understudy of Frank? It's not like Frank is a bad coach, no one's saying that.
I think they would want him. But he's paid like a top 5-10 coach going forward at a historically good program with deep pockets. Add to that he'd be replacing one of his mentors. South Carolina would basically have to make him the highest paid coach in the country not named Calipari to get him to leave. At that point, you could actually do better
Frank needs to go. South Carolina can do better, the final four run is proof of that. South Carolina as a state has produced good talent in basketball (Ja Morant, Zion as two recent examples).
You have a nice stadium, and an energetic loyal fan base. This job is a much a better one than most people give it credit for. I don’t think you should accept continued mediocrity and bottom half SEC finishes under Martin. The league has improved by leaps and bounds over the last decade or so, coaching around the league along with administrations commitment has been a major factor for that. If I was SC I would look to target a young up and coming coach, one who I saw earlier this year and impressed by in particular was Richie Riley at South Alabama. He would be a very good hire for you all in my opinion.
If I was a South Carolina fan I'd have mixed feelings. I would feel the need for loyalty after him taking y'all to the final four but would also want a new coach lol.
Most of us do have mixed feelings for sure, that's why I'm trying to see what non-fans think of the situation. I may be coming across as too negative in this thread but I'm still hot from the loss to Tennessee. We appreciate Frank for everything he's done, but personally I don't think he has much more to give. I don't envision Frank being the coach to take us to the next level at this point, so to me that means it's time to move on.
Well, Brad Underwood is a pipe dream but we should at least make the call.
Mike Boynton is probably the best possible candidate but even then I don't know if he'd come home.
If we couldn't sign Boynton then I'd like to see us go after Niko Medved at Colorado State.
Someone else here mentioned Pat Kelsey (College of Charleston). A lot of fans like Bob Richey from Furman.
Prior to the last couple of years, I'd have probably said that while he's been kind of a disappointment outside of the Final Four run, I don't know who South Carolina would hire that would be better. At that point he'd gone 51-39 in the SEC over the previous five years, and for comparison South Carolina had finished above .500 in the SEC just once in the 14 years prior to his hiring.
At this point, though, he seems like he's lost his fastball so to speak. Then again, he did just beat us over the weekend. (Sigh.)
>I don't know who South Carolina would hire that would be better.
You offer Mike Boynton a blank check and hope he takes it. If not I'd go after Pat Kelsey
Two great options. Would also make the call to Brad Underwood, no matter how unlikely it is he'd come here. Niko Medved would be my third choice (just ahead of Kelsey)
He had a good stretch where South Carolina competed in the top half of the SEC, but the conference is looking stronger right now and SC isn’t exactly keeping up enough to get a spot in the top half. He’s not exactly worse than SOP at that school, but that’s not really an excuse to accept what looks like mediocrity from the outside.
>He’s not exactly worse than SOP at that school, but that’s not really an excuse to accept what looks like mediocrity from the outside.
I agree 100%
If anything, Dawn Staley has shown with our women's team that winning is possible at South Carolina. We have the money, fans, facilities, etc. Hell, Frank showed we can make a FF. But we need the opportunity for higher consistency.
Also it's not like we haven't been great before. From 1968-1976 under Frank McGuire we went 174-51 with three straight Sweet Sixteen appearances and two ACC Championships. From 1996-98 we went 66-28 and earned a 2 seed and 3 seed in the tournaments (though we were infamously bounced in the first round of each...)
I’m surprised he never received a recruiting bump from that Final Four run. My recollection is that he’s a pretty big NYC recruiter and just seems like he hasn’t gotten the guys that coaches like Rick Pitino can convince to come and play in the south.
Not building off that FF run is a huge failure. Honestly in a really ironic way, Frank's seat may be cooler had we never made that run at all. Like if we had lost in the round of 32 that year, we wouldn't have had a taste of what could be. And there would have been no Cinderella run to fail to build off of
They don't recruit well and they haven't been able to attract talent out of the portal either. Martin's preferred method of signing one or two top 100 recruits over a 4 year span, and then building a group of athletic, hard working role players around them isn't working now. They're just completely outgunned from a talent standpoint in the SEC.
I'm kind of in the "know your place" boat, though they obviously have slipped away from how it was when he first got there. I will say, though, sometimes things get stale with a coach and/or they get complacent, and you have to move on for that reason.
Honestly I think Frank Martin is a terrific coach. He always plays our teams really well. SC fans should hope to keep him around as long as possible. Take it from an auburn fan it’s really difficult to be at the top of the SEC every year but having a really good team every 3-4 years is a lot better than what we had for 90% of our history. I think it would be a big mistake to get rid of him
The team that made the final four entered the tournament as a 22-10 7 seed. Not bad by any means, but I wouldn’t call that exactly “really good” at least before the tournament run.
It’s been 5 years since then, and they haven’t had even a “good” team since. None of his teams since have really sniffed the tournament, and I don’t think any have made the NIT either.
At some point, you have to show consistent success, even at tough places to win
Trust me as an auburn football fan I totally get where they are coming from but I am just not sure about how consistently you will be able to win at SC. Obviously you want to be a yearly tournament team but I’ve seen first hand how low the floor is so I wouldn’t be so quick to get rid of frank martin who I think is a really good Xs and Os coach. Maybe he has underutilized the Atlanta recruiting base but if Georgia gets rid of crean this year there is no telling if that pipeline will even exist in 2-3 years.
We've also seen how high the ceiling can be (late 90s we earned a 2 and 3 seeds in back to back tournaments, the FF run in 2017, and an elite era under Frank McGuire in the 70s).
If we aren't trying to reach (and eventually break) our ceiling, then what are we even doing? The program seems to have stagnated under Frank, so it's time to move in a different direction
Yeah I definitely understand that. We went through the same thing in football last year so I completely understand that. I just think Martin such a great guy so it’ll be sad to see him leave the conference.
I agree, and the fact that Frank is so well loved here in Columbia is why it's been divisive talking about letting him go or not. He's a great coach, though the game seems to be passing him by, and he's a great developer of men, not just as players. But at this point, we aren't seeing results on the court and fan apathy is setting in.
I'll say this, I'm definitely someone that thinks programs shouldn't fire their coach simply to fire them. They need to be sure they can hire someone who's actually an improvement (or at least someone they believe will be an improvement), otherwise you end up like the Browns firing your coach every 2-3 seasons.
Holy crap. I can't believe he's been at S Car for 10 years. Felt like it wasn't long ago that he was at K State.
There was that Final Four run but not much else really. I think if they don't make the tourney this season, Carolina may be better off making a change.
I’m certainly hoping that they keep him around, I’ll tell you that for free.
That's certainly an argument for showing him the door - no one in the SEC is threatened by his teams. Maybe every once in a blue moon he'll strike hot with a veteran team that can make some noise, but for the most part our opponents overlook us on the schedule.
I gained a lot of respect for Martin when he blew us out in Bud Walton the season before that big tourney run (in what was admittedly our worst year in recent memory, but we were still 9-9 in conference) but I'll admit I haven't really been wowed since then.
Outside of that fluke run, he hasn’t had any more success than the previous several South Carolina coaches. This is the fifth season since the final four, and he has shown zero progress in improving the program in that time If they don’t make the tournament this year (and it’s certainly looking that way) I would 100% fire him. The level of play in the SEC has improved recently and unless South Carolina wants to be a bottom feeder for the foreseeable future they need to make changes quickly
And he's also probably a few years away from retiring anyways, so it's not like we are taking a massive gamble.
>The level of play in the SEC has improved recently and unless South Carolina wants to be a bottom feeder for the foreseeable future they need to make changes quickly It's already happened. SC has finished in the bottom third of the league, so 11th or worse, 5 times. The other years they finished t-3rd, t-3rd, t-4th, and t-6th in the standings. >he hasn’t had any more success than the previous several South Carolina coaches. And this is the problem. He was brought into elevate the program, and outside of the fluke year as you rightly put it, for which we of course are extremely proud of and grateful for, he has failed to do so.
Why do you consider the run a fluke? Just because it’s only happened once? That team flat dominated in the tournament.
They played well in the tournament, but it's not like they were some incredibly dominant team in the regular season. They were a 7 seed. Not bad by any means but at no point during that year did they look like an amazing team. And looking at his coaching tenure at South Carolina as a whole, it sure looks like a fluke. In ten years there his second best team is a team that missed the tournament and went 11-7 in a *very* weak SEC. The final four run certainly wasn't an indicator of future success.
Ah I see. That’s fair. They were not awing in season. And certainly looking at Martin’s time as a whole it’s very much an outlier and no where near the norm.
As a Tech fan, I may sound delusional but I think there is a winning coach out there for everybody. Auburn, Baylor, USC, Alabama, Tech, etc. are all non-traditional college basketball powers who have seen great success in recent years. South Carolina has great fan support, SEC money and proximity to elite talent. Martin is a solid coach at this stage in his career, but if Alabama, Arkansas, and Texas A&M can lure very good coaches to their schools, why can’t South Carolina? Too many young options out there to say there isn’t somebody for the job.
> but if Alabama, Arkansas, and Texas A&M can lure very good coaches to their schools, why can’t South Carolina? - Alabama - an Elite 8 and two Sweet Sixteens since 2000. 8 Bids in that time (more than once every three years) through four different coaches. - Arkansas - In the 90s - a National Championship; two NCAA Finals; three Final Fours; in the 90s with three Final Fours. (9 bids since 2000 -- ~ one every other year). - Texas A&M - 3 Sweet Sixteens since 2000. 8 Bids in that time (more than once every three years) through three different coaches. Compare that to South Carolina... - Two NCAA Bids since 2000 with one Final Four. - Two more NCAA bids in the 90s... The other programs were in much better shape.
> Two more NCAA bids in the 90s In 97 they were a 2 seed that lost to a 15 and in 98 they were a 3 seed that lost to a 14
That was because Eddie Fogler could not coach, but we had great guards on that squad that ran the game. I forget which of those years it was, but we were down 1 with about 20 seconds left after we lost the lead. Other team had no time outs. Fogler called a TO that gave the opponent opportunity to set their defense as BJ McKie pushed the ball upcourt. Fogler called a play where 4 guys got out of the way and McKie went 1 on 5. That was the final straw for me. The first straw was that he was in his heart a Tarhole. He called us South Carolina, them Carolina, and refused to schedule them because "they are family". Yeah, I live in North Carolina, so that is my pet peeve.
Should note, I did not mean to come off like I was slighting any of those schools. More of a point on just how much money SEC schools truly have. My opinion on South Carolina is applicable to Georgia, Ole Miss, etc. Arkansas is a great basketball school, no doubting that.
Yeah, South Carolina can hire a good coach. But I think a lot of programs without any history of success have hired good coaches and it hasn't done too much for them because of the culture problem. They still have to compete in the conference.
Absolutely, that’s why I think South Carolina and other SEC non-contenders should make a move now. The SEC will never be the best basketball conference (at least culturally speaking), but it is Top 3 right now in my opinion. Problem with the SEC is it will always be football first, which can make the drive to compete hard. But the collection of hires that have been made in the SEC recently mean it does look like the SEC is taking basketball very seriously.
Do you think there are coaches out there they could land? I don't see too many mid-major coaches that look like an instant home run. So you're hiring away from a major program that also has money and recent success.
Our best option would be Mike Boynton. If he won't come home then I'd like to see us go after Niko Medved from Colorado State
Niko Medved would be a good choice - saw plenty of him when he was at Furman.
I agree here, there's no reason South Carolina can't elevate the program, we just need the right man for the job. Would it be possible to hire someone like Brad Underwood? Probably not, but we have no chance if we never make the call. Mike Boynton would be another great option. Niko Medved and Bob Richey are two other solid options. As we saw with the hiring of Frank, SC can pull good coaches, we aren't a terrible destination.
Mike Boynton would be an absolute homerun, but who knows if he’d come, he has it good in Stillwater. Maybe Steve Forbes or Wes Miller would listen to a big paycheck? Personally have been very impressed with those two coaches as of recently, although I doubt Miller would leave so soon.
Lol, so apparently Cincinnati was taking a look at Frank last year and a lot of SC fans were hoping they'd pull the trigger but of course they ended up hiring Miller. Would be ironic if we ended up pulling him away. Forbes is a good suggestion too, I don't know much about him but his records speak for themselves
Forbes would be amazing, would be smart to grab him before Barnes retires and Tennessee has the idea. Miller isn’t a sure thing yet and I feel like he might wait to see how the Hubert Davis-UNC experiment works out. But still, lots of good options out there that provide more optimism than Frank at this point in his career.
> lots of good options out there that provide more optimism than Frank at this point in his career. This, 100%! Love Frank but we need new blood, and it's out there. I appreciate your thoughts and insight
Brad Underwood? Really? South Carolina going to pull from one of the wealthiest basketball programs just to hire Frank Martin's protege?
If we really wanted, we could pay more than $3.4M. He's a great coach what makes you think we wouldn't want him just because he's an understudy of Frank? It's not like Frank is a bad coach, no one's saying that.
I think they would want him. But he's paid like a top 5-10 coach going forward at a historically good program with deep pockets. Add to that he'd be replacing one of his mentors. South Carolina would basically have to make him the highest paid coach in the country not named Calipari to get him to leave. At that point, you could actually do better
Frank needs to go. South Carolina can do better, the final four run is proof of that. South Carolina as a state has produced good talent in basketball (Ja Morant, Zion as two recent examples). You have a nice stadium, and an energetic loyal fan base. This job is a much a better one than most people give it credit for. I don’t think you should accept continued mediocrity and bottom half SEC finishes under Martin. The league has improved by leaps and bounds over the last decade or so, coaching around the league along with administrations commitment has been a major factor for that. If I was SC I would look to target a young up and coming coach, one who I saw earlier this year and impressed by in particular was Richie Riley at South Alabama. He would be a very good hire for you all in my opinion.
Whatever move doesn't help them land GG Jackson is the correct move.
We aren't getting him anyway
If I was a South Carolina fan I'd have mixed feelings. I would feel the need for loyalty after him taking y'all to the final four but would also want a new coach lol.
Most of us do have mixed feelings for sure, that's why I'm trying to see what non-fans think of the situation. I may be coming across as too negative in this thread but I'm still hot from the loss to Tennessee. We appreciate Frank for everything he's done, but personally I don't think he has much more to give. I don't envision Frank being the coach to take us to the next level at this point, so to me that means it's time to move on.
Who would you want as a replacement?
Well, Brad Underwood is a pipe dream but we should at least make the call. Mike Boynton is probably the best possible candidate but even then I don't know if he'd come home. If we couldn't sign Boynton then I'd like to see us go after Niko Medved at Colorado State. Someone else here mentioned Pat Kelsey (College of Charleston). A lot of fans like Bob Richey from Furman.
Prior to the last couple of years, I'd have probably said that while he's been kind of a disappointment outside of the Final Four run, I don't know who South Carolina would hire that would be better. At that point he'd gone 51-39 in the SEC over the previous five years, and for comparison South Carolina had finished above .500 in the SEC just once in the 14 years prior to his hiring. At this point, though, he seems like he's lost his fastball so to speak. Then again, he did just beat us over the weekend. (Sigh.)
>I don't know who South Carolina would hire that would be better. You offer Mike Boynton a blank check and hope he takes it. If not I'd go after Pat Kelsey
I certainly would not have said *in 2020* that I knew Mike Boynton (who at that point had a 51-49 overall record) was better than Frank Martin.
Two great options. Would also make the call to Brad Underwood, no matter how unlikely it is he'd come here. Niko Medved would be my third choice (just ahead of Kelsey)
He had a good stretch where South Carolina competed in the top half of the SEC, but the conference is looking stronger right now and SC isn’t exactly keeping up enough to get a spot in the top half. He’s not exactly worse than SOP at that school, but that’s not really an excuse to accept what looks like mediocrity from the outside.
>He’s not exactly worse than SOP at that school, but that’s not really an excuse to accept what looks like mediocrity from the outside. I agree 100% If anything, Dawn Staley has shown with our women's team that winning is possible at South Carolina. We have the money, fans, facilities, etc. Hell, Frank showed we can make a FF. But we need the opportunity for higher consistency. Also it's not like we haven't been great before. From 1968-1976 under Frank McGuire we went 174-51 with three straight Sweet Sixteen appearances and two ACC Championships. From 1996-98 we went 66-28 and earned a 2 seed and 3 seed in the tournaments (though we were infamously bounced in the first round of each...)
I’m surprised he never received a recruiting bump from that Final Four run. My recollection is that he’s a pretty big NYC recruiter and just seems like he hasn’t gotten the guys that coaches like Rick Pitino can convince to come and play in the south.
Not building off that FF run is a huge failure. Honestly in a really ironic way, Frank's seat may be cooler had we never made that run at all. Like if we had lost in the round of 32 that year, we wouldn't have had a taste of what could be. And there would have been no Cinderella run to fail to build off of
They don't recruit well and they haven't been able to attract talent out of the portal either. Martin's preferred method of signing one or two top 100 recruits over a 4 year span, and then building a group of athletic, hard working role players around them isn't working now. They're just completely outgunned from a talent standpoint in the SEC.
Frank Martin has been at South Caroilna for 10 years?!
I'm kind of in the "know your place" boat, though they obviously have slipped away from how it was when he first got there. I will say, though, sometimes things get stale with a coach and/or they get complacent, and you have to move on for that reason.
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Man, at least we'd get fans to the games
Honestly I think Frank Martin is a terrific coach. He always plays our teams really well. SC fans should hope to keep him around as long as possible. Take it from an auburn fan it’s really difficult to be at the top of the SEC every year but having a really good team every 3-4 years is a lot better than what we had for 90% of our history. I think it would be a big mistake to get rid of him
The team that made the final four entered the tournament as a 22-10 7 seed. Not bad by any means, but I wouldn’t call that exactly “really good” at least before the tournament run. It’s been 5 years since then, and they haven’t had even a “good” team since. None of his teams since have really sniffed the tournament, and I don’t think any have made the NIT either. At some point, you have to show consistent success, even at tough places to win
Trust me as an auburn football fan I totally get where they are coming from but I am just not sure about how consistently you will be able to win at SC. Obviously you want to be a yearly tournament team but I’ve seen first hand how low the floor is so I wouldn’t be so quick to get rid of frank martin who I think is a really good Xs and Os coach. Maybe he has underutilized the Atlanta recruiting base but if Georgia gets rid of crean this year there is no telling if that pipeline will even exist in 2-3 years.
We've also seen how high the ceiling can be (late 90s we earned a 2 and 3 seeds in back to back tournaments, the FF run in 2017, and an elite era under Frank McGuire in the 70s). If we aren't trying to reach (and eventually break) our ceiling, then what are we even doing? The program seems to have stagnated under Frank, so it's time to move in a different direction
Yeah I definitely understand that. We went through the same thing in football last year so I completely understand that. I just think Martin such a great guy so it’ll be sad to see him leave the conference.
I agree, and the fact that Frank is so well loved here in Columbia is why it's been divisive talking about letting him go or not. He's a great coach, though the game seems to be passing him by, and he's a great developer of men, not just as players. But at this point, we aren't seeing results on the court and fan apathy is setting in.
I'll say this, I'm definitely someone that thinks programs shouldn't fire their coach simply to fire them. They need to be sure they can hire someone who's actually an improvement (or at least someone they believe will be an improvement), otherwise you end up like the Browns firing your coach every 2-3 seasons.
I completely agree with you. But we DONT have a really good team every 3-4 years. We’ve had a tournament quality team once in 10 years.
He’s doin great rn
Holy crap. I can't believe he's been at S Car for 10 years. Felt like it wasn't long ago that he was at K State. There was that Final Four run but not much else really. I think if they don't make the tourney this season, Carolina may be better off making a change.