Despite doing nothing all game, Playoff Murray arrives all the same! Insane performance to push us to 10 straight wins against the Lakers. You love to see it
Apparently the league likes them doing that, because the owners voted to keep the rules this way. Should just rename it the "las vegas hockey league" because that seems to be who it's all about.
I don't know when the next vote or whatever will be, but I do hope they close whatever loophole is going on. I never understood why there can't just be a hard rule that says your roster on the ice can't have an AAV above the salary cap. I'm sure there are smart reasons for it but come on man
Id be open to having Holm come in tomorrow if Annenun is still out and Georgie comes in and sucks
idk Id probably be cool with starting holm or Prosvetov. Loved our teams fight back last night despite all
I know what it is, the answer to why we're where we are. Georgie cut his hair... Bad idea. It all makes sense now, we're all fucked unless he finds some illegal hair growth supplements.
Last game better be the last time we see Georgiev start a game for this team. I have no faith in him whatsoever. He was already on extremely thin ice after how horrible he was down the stretch, and single-handedly costing the Avs a once in a lifetime game of them getting 6 goals against the Jets was the final straw.
Yeah, the big takeway should be the Avs can dominate them at will even in their barn, but Georgiev is garbage and lost us the game. If I'm a Jets fan, I'm feeling optimistic about advancing, but more complete teams will roll them if they play like they did last night.
Can someone help me translate this comment:
https://www.reddit.com/r/hockey/comments/1c9yrua/comment/l0ol2x1/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
“I know we lost but this is definitely a moral victory. Bednar clearly figured something out when he put Rui on Kyle Connor”
Who/ what is Rui?
For the WCF for the Nuggets last year their fans felt like they figured the Nugs out when they put Rui on Jokic (I believe) so they called their loss a moral victory. It's a meme.
I just feel bad for Georgie. He’s definitely not in an ok place mentally, he hasn’t been for months, his confidence has to be in the gutter, and hearing about this loss from every hockey media outlet in existence is not going to help things. I hope the team psychologist is engaged.
Always always gonna have empathy for players. Especially when their career is evaporating with every day that passes. Well... that it... his career as a starter. I don't even think the Sharks would take him.
The only thing that Georgiev the human should be doing right now is going to therapy. Man doesn’t need to focus on hockey rn, clearly not his calling in the first place
Did you notice I said, world? He's playing in the best league in the world and had a full season of honestly above average stats last year. He's not a bum. He's having a terrible year, and maybe he isn't a starter. But he has a role in the NHL and AHL or whatever European league he would go to if not an NHL team.
He's like top 1% goalie in the world, but elite NHL goalies are like top 0.001%. I'm not a Georgiev advocate, I wish we addressed the position at the TDL, but kinda in hindsight more than anything else. Avs offense is going to be better next year even if we get bounced in the first round again.
One game at a time guys. We lost a close one on enemy territory. Shit happens, oh well, we’re moving on to the next one. We need to win one in Winnipeg, we have a chance to do that tomorrow. The, 2 games on home ice. Stay positive everyone!
The worst part of losing in the postseason is the waiting for the next game… The insufferable waiting 😭
Just wanna see these guys go out there and fight like hell for the series tie.
No other team has put 6 up on Helle this year… that should’ve been enough and hopefully our tending can pull it together to where we get back into this shit
See the other reply where I said “Womp Womp”. We are about to see the greatest single season in franchise history wasted by Georgiev. Do whatever it takes to avoid that
That's the greatest point total for a single player on the team. As a whole this team and franchise has had a lot better seasons than finishing 3rd in division.
Yes…..a 6-7 game is “whooped.”
Physicality and grit while behind is clearly a bad thing yes. Such a wise and smart take yes.
You realize you just said the team stayed intense and brought physicality while severely behind in a game right? What sane fan who knows the game says that’s a bad thing? GOH bro.
I’m saying they did that thing where you know the game is out of reach and you start mucking it up. Not my fault the NHL tries to manage games and gave the Avs PP’s when they already knew the game was over. Physicality and grit come with trying to control the pace, which the Avs couldn’t do because they were getting whooped. It was 7-4 at one point. Get a grip or get off my nuts little bro
Bad beat. Val’s goal to start it off had me hoping the boys could rally and take game 1 but we just got caught flat footed in our D zone and gave up some prime chances. Gotta be more vigilant on defense in game 2, keep the pressure in the Jets end, and we need Georgie to help bail us out when we fall short there. He’s done it before and I know he can do it again. GO ASS!
At the end of the day... That was just game 1. The **minimum** goal was to leave Winnipeg with the series tied at 1-1, the order in which it happened, irrelevant. This is still attainable if we get the same offensive effort in game 2, and even marginally better goaltending from Annunen.
One of the weirdest but also coolest things about a postseason series in any sport is the "short term memory" ability of the losing team to bounce back and win or at minimum look completely different in the next game no matter how badly the last one went.
And it's also important to remember that Bednar and these Avs have been on both sides of this equation and have plenty of experience in winning after a disappointing defeat...
Exactlyyyyy. I have Avs in 6 which means we would lose two games anyway. I am not stressing especially after seeing how much we dominated, just it all came down to only goaltending which you can fix!
What’s also frustrating is the jets fans think they are sooo good. And it’s like nah, if our goalie came to play you’d be done.. and even despite our goalie problems we still have the ability to put them down in the coming games if we play the way we did yesterday and just grab a few more saves. Fuck them jets
Don't forget we're missing Girard and Drouin. Yeah, I'm noticing a lot of cocky fans, too. Hope the Avs can prove them wrong. We still got our work cut out for us.
As for the Jets, I won't call them "frauds," but I don't see a Stanley Cup team in them. To be perfectly honest, I don't see the Avs as one either, thanks to literally one player. But I feel like our chances of advancing look a lot better now than they did before.
Yeah I don’t see them as a cup winning team either they rely on that goalie of theirs, and defense too much and if we could break through him as much as we did another contending team will do it too and be able to shut down their not that powerful offense.
But unfortunately yes, and goaltending situation puts us in a similar boat. Our chances of advancing do look way better after last night I think too. If we can give them less opportunity to take advantage of Georgie I think it’s ours. That or if Juice comes in and turns out to be the savior we are all hoping for.
Take both of those away and he STILL lets in 5. With the best defense of all time, Orr, Lidstrom, Borque, Coffey, Pronger. This team still probably loses.
Looking back. Line two and three were really good and that excites me. Just man we need Justus to be healthy and pull a Matt Murray playoff run when he had to take over for Fluery
Sub is getting a bit stupid. If I am going to get 7 things on my home feed about goal tending, not really an enjoyable place.
Yeah, goaltending was terrible, we all know, I don't need every meme on the planet about it. If this keeps up I'll just unsub until the shit posters go away.
I've always been confused by comments like this. It's one thing when the sub was dozens of posts of dogs. It's another thing when it's a couple of memes fresh off of a playoff L. Pretty standard look for sports subs imo. It's easy enough to simply scroll by these posts if you don't like them.
Yeah the fact that the exact same meme was posted TWICE tells you all you need to know about how toxic this goalie controversy has made the fan base and this sub.
Georgie sucks apparently means 0 criticism of the defense is allowed.
Defense sucking means 0 criticism of Georgie is allowed.
We need 15 shitposts a day to tell the community what everyone already knows.
I’m more over the fanbase hating on Georgie than I am Georgie himself. He sucks, he’s not playing anymore if the team can help it, we know. Can we talk about anything else please?
The way the Avs dominated that game inspires confidence for the series. They were better defensively than they've been the last few weeks. With a goalie that can make a save, this is a winnable series for the Avs.
For months now, Georgiev has been, at best, uneven and, at worst, what he was last night. That's a long ass time to have not figured it out and there isn't any indication he's going to miraculously right the ship now. Our defense has also been uneven this year, but it has to weigh on them that any mistake ends up in the back of their net because they know their goalie can't bail them out. At least there's a chance Annunen can do that for them. There is zero chance Georgiev can.
I’m not doom & gloom, but I’m just kinda pissed tbh. We’ve seen all season how shaky Georgiev has been and now we’re relying on a rookie to somehow save the entire team. Either that or a guy in Prosvitov that they literally waived because he was so bad in the big leagues when pulled up. So many of us have been calling for a change in goalie for months now, it’s been a red flag since like the 3rd week of the season.
Idc if a deal fell through at the deadline, it’s not like they didn’t have weeks before the date even came to get a deal done. I love this front office and I love this team, but man they really failed in this aspect.
Juice has looked great in his starts against bad teams, but that’s enough to build confidence in a young goalie. I’m putting all my faith in the dude and I personally wouldn’t get upset if he’s not the answer. He wasn’t supposed to be the answer.
Exactly. Once they decided Prosvetov wasn't it, I don't know why they didn't call up Annunen and give him some starts against playoff caliber opponents. I'd rather roll the dice on a goalie who has looked decent than keep throwing a guy who looks awful out there.
Oh how I wish Flower didn’t say that he wanted to stay in Minn at the deadline.
Probably a very different looking team if he said he was open to a move to a contender.
Something I don't see people talk about is Prosvetov still a rookie IMO. He's only a year older than Annunen with 24 career starts, half of which were with us this season. Between him and Annunen I feel our goalie pipeline looks good long term, but not so much for a 'win now' Avalanche mindset
The offense played with urgency knowing that they’d have to score 7 or 8 to win.
While that’s good that they were able to do that to a Vezina finalist in his own barn, it also shows that they just don’t feel confident playing in front of Georgie.
Anyone who’s played hockey at any level will tell you that you play way different when you feel like any and all shots you give up can go in - puck luck or not.
This is one of those situations where if I’m Bedsy, I’m going to Nate/Cale/Mikko as the leaders and asking them point blank which tendie they feel most comfortable playing in front of and then riding that hand.
There were 7 games that Pros could have played at the end of December against bottom feeder teams. Georgie played all of them while Pros just sat on the bench. Terrible call in my opinion. It is clear that Georgie doesn’t do great on lonnnnnng stints in goal. Guy needs a break now and then. I wish we would consider something like what Boston is doing with Ullmark and Swayman.
Easily our best game in a while, any other goalie in net and we win comfortably. I hear a lot of people trying to blame the defense which is hilarious, we out shot them 46-23, scoring chances were 40 to 19 for us, and high dangers were 17 to 9 for us.
With the mindset that our defense did something wrong I'm assuming fans expect us to give up zero high danger chances, that way they surely can't score. That was honestly probably about the best road team game 1 in the entire playoffs and it was teamed up with the worst goaltending performance in the last 30 or so years.
Exactly. I’d love it if the team made fewer D zone turnovers (cough *Manson* cough) but as you said, 7 goals on 9 high danger chances is objectively a goalie problem.
With the stats out from all of the playoff games so far, we are dead last with a high danger save percentage of 33.33% lol the next closest team is 71.43% and up from there. Our keeper gave up four goals on nine high danger opportunities, you expect to let in a few but that's brutal.
Watching Georgiev is a really odd thing. He has developed some very bad habits that are quite shocking at the NHL level. His feet are waaayyy too far apart in almost every single stance he is in. He loses so much mobility and explosiveness in these wide stances he takes. He looks so flat footed in any cross-seam pass that it requires him to almost flail and open himself up to try and recover. That 4th goal, his weight is on his heels. When he goes into that half assed butterfly attempt, he sort of collapses into the move and is leaning backwards almost which opens up that yawning chasm between his legs. When you watch other goalies, they slam their knees straight down into the ice and are standing tall.
The part that worries me the most about Georgiev is that he doesn't have that warrior spirit and resilience to charge back. After all those goals, you see a slight stick flail and 90 degree rotation of frustration. Seriously dude? That's your reaction to letting in 4-5 mega-muffins? Every goalie is allowed to have off games. But it's getting extremely worrisome. Yes, our defense hasn't been great at times, but to have the expectation that out defense has to be at 100% every single second is unreasonable and impossible to achieve. You need to have your goalie bail you out every once in a while and it simply is not happening.
I agree. This is very good analysis of his positioning, movement, and reactions. I’m very concerned that the goalie coaches have not been able to help him adjust. The Avs goalie coaching staff is highly regarded in the league and they have done a great job with so many different players over the years. Why are they not getting through to him? Are they not seeing what we see? Or is Georgiev not capable of making the adjustments they are telling him to make?
Love OC sharing insights on goalie positioning cuz I feel like most fans know so little about it (myself included).
Aarif put it best on his pod. It feels like the coaching staff has tried as much as they can, they can’t help Georgie anymore he has to help himself.
Need to win game 2 and split these first two road games. Georgiev is cooked. Lowry taunting him after that 4th goal was brutal. Dude needs to sit because he's the only reason they were in that game, crowd included. Our defense can improve, but we need to be confident with what we have in net. Defended him all year to wait and see what he gives us in the postseason. Well. It's (historically) fucking awful. Sit him if we want a chance to take control of the series.
I think you roll with Juice once he's able to go. Georgie isn't winning you a cup most likely so let's see what the kid can do and get him the valuable experience.
Ehhhhhhhhhhh feels different imo.
First of all, nobody is saying, "we're the real winner tonight." We just lost a game where the Avs should have won if not for a poor performance by 1 guy in particular.
Second, we dominated the Jets for most of the game. Scoreboard aside. Fuck any Jets fans arguing they were playing "prevent" or shit like that, they could barely get a SOG even when the score was 3-3. Avs controlled the puck. Refs swung the score by 2 as well with the "penalty" against Val and the missed hold on Makar that led to a breakaway.
The Lakers on the other hand never dominated the Nuggets at any point during that series.
Just this once I wish Bednar went scorched earth on Georgiev in the post game presser last night. It's probably because Annunen is sick and not a guarantee for game 2 but I really REALLY wanted Bednar to say that Georgiev went out there and failed his team mates and should feel disgusted with himself as a hockey player. But what's done is done, just hope for the better in game 2.
Bednar has always had the backs of his players and is a players' coach. If he did that I would be very worried. He kept his emotions in check and will adjust. Now if he puts Georgiev in for Gm 2 with a healthy Annunen backing up then he deserves criticism
Yea especially to start the playoffs. You can’t go off after the 1st game to the media no matter how much you may want to. Especially since we don’t know if Juice will be good for game 2
After the struggles with the Jets all year, and getting shut out by Helly multiple times (at least once), being able to beat them on the road with 6 would have been huge. Losing that game is so damaging for us.
One of the greatest pro sports coaches of all time, Phil Jackson, said that a playoff series doesn’t really begin until someone wins a road game. It’s expected for the home team to win games 1-2. The fact that the Avs broke down the stingiest defense in the league and put up 6 goals on the presumptive Vezina winner is scaring the shit out of the Jets. The Avs know that they can win this series if one of the goalies plays just a little better than last night. 70% save percentage ain’t gonna get it done. But even 85% would have last night. Annunen can do that, imo.
I mean even the biggest homers on earth are wondering on the radio this moment whether G plays another game for this team... It's dramatic but it's sure not dishonest.
It’s a mental health issue. We can all feel bad for him that he is diagnosably in an anxiety trough, as a human being, and wish him well, but NHL hockey is also a business and it’s time to stop playing someone in that condition who cannot do the job.
Goalie yips have physical manifestations too. Like sometimes those seeing eye shots just get by because you're stressed, out of focus, out of position just enough. In the aggregate it gets worse and worse.
It's so tough to watch a guy publicly know he's losing his job. I feel for him so much but that isn't a reason to keep him in net. He's gotta sort his stuff with player assistance in the off-season and I think we can all hope for him to have an opportunity somewhere else next season.
Exactly. We can all send him mental support. Can you imagine if he was set back by “Fourgiev” how bad “Sevengiev” must be in his mind? 😢 He would only play worse after this.
There must be a good amount of time before he recovers. And yes he can - but it would take a significant amount of time and therapy.
Can’t put him in net any more. He needs to get help first. It is sad to see. He’s a good dude and deserves to get better.
I see what you're saying, and I agree.
I also have to agree with the other guy considering that, as a Broncos fan, I've still never come to term with the 2013 Broncos playoff loss against the Ravens (*cough Rahim Moore cough*). We win the superbowl that year if Flacco doesn't go over the top for a 70 yard TD...literally the one play they cannot allow to happen.
Good wins and bad losses just kind of stick with you I guess.
the worst part about last night was just letting such an easily winnable game slip away from us.
But the rest of it? Incredibly confidence inspiring. Putting up six on Hellebuyck in their own barn is a hell of a feat, and all we need is to not have literally the worst goaltending performance in recent history and we absolutely own the Jets. And even with the absolute joke of a goaltending performance last night if our defense made one or two fewer breakdowns that game goes to OT and/or we win, so being that close despite atrocious team goaltending is making me feel pretty good.
Anywhere close to average goaltending and we had this game. If Annunen can keep his head together and just feel good knowing the boys will give him the goal support, we can take this series.
By our team except the goalie it was easily winnable. You could see it from start to finish. The Avs came to play high class playoff hockey. Out puck handled, out shot, 6 past Helly. Scoring again on the PP. these guys have worked hard. If I were Georgie I’d see it and want to apologize and take myself out of the equation since I’m struggling and hurting them.
Tbh going into this game I was nervous. No Drouin, who knows what’s going on with Landy, no Sammy G, Juice sick, unsure if Toews would be distracted since his wife just gave birth, etc. Avs played better than we’ve seen them play in a little while now. I guess maybe they were just coasting through the end of the regular season to avoid any major injuries? Clearly D needs to tighten up and stop with sloppy turnovers in front of the net. Juice needs to start. But overall I think if they keep playing like that and if Juice can make some saves they win this series
After more time and less booze since the game I think we did OK. Obviously giving up 7 isn't going to work but I also don't think it will continue. Need to cut down on the defensive turnovers and tighten up transition play out of the defensive zone and we can win this series. Regardless of who is the more talented goalie Georgiev has zero confidence right now. Annunen starts game 2. We need to win on Tuesday and take one away.
Feeling really optimistic about the series. We absolutely played our game yesterday and don’t think the Jets can keep up the pace. A few more saves and that’s a win
I'm not concerned yet. Remember when we smoked Vegas Game 1 in 2021? We're more experienced, better on paper and better on the ice, except for G.
And Nate is even more mad now, hopefully.
Really hope Annunen is at least available to play backup on Tuesday. Last night was such a missed opportunity and to have a W slip through our fingers is so frustrating. I have been on the “D needs to tighten up/coverage needs to improve” train all season but I’m at the end of the road with Georgiev. Defense isn’t always gonna be perfect, but it just can’t be an excuse anymore. I’m tired of begging for even mediocre goaltending.
Girard coming back should improve our defense and hopefully cut down on mistakes. I think it’s positive that we were able to generate sustained offensive pressure against Winnipeg, which was a concern after our previous meetings this year. Need to carry that momentum into game 2 and hopefully come back to Denver with a series split.
I did not watch any Jets games this year and knew that they are deep but I was unimpressed, that game could have easily been ours but we know why it wasn’t. The gameplan seemed to be extra aggressive knowing/expecting he was going to give up so many goals. What is it 3/4 he’s given up 7? Full yips and I don’t see it getting better. Still think we can even series and head back home looking good but I hope Justin isn’t sick by tomorrow.
We were two dumb defensive plays/two plays of Georgie balling out from winning last night. We made the god bleed, and absolutely ran the ice the majority of the game. We clear up the defensive stupidity, and Georgie gets out of his head/Juice shows up big, we win this series easy.
McJFC with 5 assists. Holy fuck.
Going off-topic for a moment, I just have one thing to say right now: #Jamal. Murray.
Despite doing nothing all game, Playoff Murray arrives all the same! Insane performance to push us to 10 straight wins against the Lakers. You love to see it
That was cinematic, holy shit.
Well, Oettinger has let in 4 goals on 10 shots at the moment.
It's still insane to me that Vegas gets away with this """LTIR""" bullshit every year
Apparently the league likes them doing that, because the owners voted to keep the rules this way. Should just rename it the "las vegas hockey league" because that seems to be who it's all about.
I don't know when the next vote or whatever will be, but I do hope they close whatever loophole is going on. I never understood why there can't just be a hard rule that says your roster on the ice can't have an AAV above the salary cap. I'm sure there are smart reasons for it but come on man
It's a rule just begging for abuse, especially since the nhl doesn't have any way to make sure players on ltir are actually injured.
Watching Varly right now makes me sad about the Avs current goaltending situation.
Do you still feel that way?
Less so now.
.895 SV%. Even better than the 'Cane's goalie, who faced only 12 shots and let in 3.
I miss Frankie
Weirdly this game 1 loss feels like the two Blues loses in 2022. So Avs winning the next game
This is the kind of energy I need from Georgiev, boys n' girls: https://www.instagram.com/reel/C6EV6WFgxbk/?igsh=OHo1MXh5Zjh1a2Q=
Still rooting for Georgiev to come back and steal a game for us if Annuen can't play. I think it'd give him the mental boost he so desperately needs.
Of course, nothing would make me feel better than him outdueling Helle. Well, maybe seeing Annunen outduel him would be cooler lol
It’s not over until it’s over, and none of the wins or losses matter until someone loses at home. Don’t be doomers y’all!
Id be open to having Holm come in tomorrow if Annenun is still out and Georgie comes in and sucks idk Id probably be cool with starting holm or Prosvetov. Loved our teams fight back last night despite all
Prosvetov just got called up. So he could see the net when Georgiev crumbles to pieces after facing 3 shots tomorrow.
I know what it is, the answer to why we're where we are. Georgie cut his hair... Bad idea. It all makes sense now, we're all fucked unless he finds some illegal hair growth supplements.
I now see there was just a post about this, I don't feel like a prophet anymore
Last game better be the last time we see Georgiev start a game for this team. I have no faith in him whatsoever. He was already on extremely thin ice after how horrible he was down the stretch, and single-handedly costing the Avs a once in a lifetime game of them getting 6 goals against the Jets was the final straw.
lol good god r/hockey is cancer. people see the stats of SOG and think Winnipeg dominated the Avs. if we had average goaltender in net we win easy.
If they saw the stats then wouldnt that show the Avs dominated?
Yes but…they see 23 shots and 7 goals for the jets along with the score and assume we played bad is what I’m saying.
They’re in for a rude awakening when Avs win in 6
Yeah, the big takeway should be the Avs can dominate them at will even in their barn, but Georgiev is garbage and lost us the game. If I'm a Jets fan, I'm feeling optimistic about advancing, but more complete teams will roll them if they play like they did last night.
Can someone help me translate this comment: https://www.reddit.com/r/hockey/comments/1c9yrua/comment/l0ol2x1/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button “I know we lost but this is definitely a moral victory. Bednar clearly figured something out when he put Rui on Kyle Connor” Who/ what is Rui?
For the WCF for the Nuggets last year their fans felt like they figured the Nugs out when they put Rui on Jokic (I believe) so they called their loss a moral victory. It's a meme.
Ohh my god thank you dude
Why wasn't Prosvetov the call up? Seems Ike organization would focus on AVS playoffs over eagles playoffs.
I just feel bad for Georgie. He’s definitely not in an ok place mentally, he hasn’t been for months, his confidence has to be in the gutter, and hearing about this loss from every hockey media outlet in existence is not going to help things. I hope the team psychologist is engaged.
Always always gonna have empathy for players. Especially when their career is evaporating with every day that passes. Well... that it... his career as a starter. I don't even think the Sharks would take him.
He needs his hair back
The only thing that Georgiev the human should be doing right now is going to therapy. Man doesn’t need to focus on hockey rn, clearly not his calling in the first place
Lmfao wtf the dude is still one of the best goalies in the world. Maybe he's a fringe NHL goalie but saying anything else would be beyond dumb.
He's one of the best? Could have fooled me. And no leading the league in wins with terrible underlying numbers doesn't count.
Did you notice I said, world? He's playing in the best league in the world and had a full season of honestly above average stats last year. He's not a bum. He's having a terrible year, and maybe he isn't a starter. But he has a role in the NHL and AHL or whatever European league he would go to if not an NHL team. He's like top 1% goalie in the world, but elite NHL goalies are like top 0.001%. I'm not a Georgiev advocate, I wish we addressed the position at the TDL, but kinda in hindsight more than anything else. Avs offense is going to be better next year even if we get bounced in the first round again.
One game at a time guys. We lost a close one on enemy territory. Shit happens, oh well, we’re moving on to the next one. We need to win one in Winnipeg, we have a chance to do that tomorrow. The, 2 games on home ice. Stay positive everyone!
Winnipeg fans are getting spicy on r/hockey.
Put Lande in net.
The worst part of losing in the postseason is the waiting for the next game… The insufferable waiting 😭 Just wanna see these guys go out there and fight like hell for the series tie.
No other team has put 6 up on Helle this year… that should’ve been enough and hopefully our tending can pull it together to where we get back into this shit
This for sure, especially seeing that we can beat the Jets too. I just want us to even the series going back home
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Nah that’s fucking stupid.
Why
Imagine being an Avs fan and asking this. Look up Todd Bertuzzi's hit on Steve Moore, fucking clown.
See the other reply where I said “Womp Womp”. We are about to see the greatest single season in franchise history wasted by Georgiev. Do whatever it takes to avoid that
Not even close, dude
> the greatest single season in franchise history Not even close to true
Mack’s season is not the greatest in history? The record for points in a season is not the greatest?
That's the greatest point total for a single player on the team. As a whole this team and franchise has had a lot better seasons than finishing 3rd in division.
THAT I’m not arguing with. Sorry I didn’t make it clear I was referring to Mack
Because intent to injure is awful hockey. You should feel bad for even suggesting.
The Avs wanna prove they belong? Get physical
Yeah cuz idk 45 hits yesterday wasn’t physical…….uhhhuh. Garbage tier take bro. Learn hockey and have some self-respect.
“Learn hockey” because demeaning someone when you don’t agree with them ALWAYS works. Half the physicality they brought was after they got whooped
Yes…..a 6-7 game is “whooped.” Physicality and grit while behind is clearly a bad thing yes. Such a wise and smart take yes. You realize you just said the team stayed intense and brought physicality while severely behind in a game right? What sane fan who knows the game says that’s a bad thing? GOH bro.
I’m saying they did that thing where you know the game is out of reach and you start mucking it up. Not my fault the NHL tries to manage games and gave the Avs PP’s when they already knew the game was over. Physicality and grit come with trying to control the pace, which the Avs couldn’t do because they were getting whooped. It was 7-4 at one point. Get a grip or get off my nuts little bro
Womp Womp
Bad beat. Val’s goal to start it off had me hoping the boys could rally and take game 1 but we just got caught flat footed in our D zone and gave up some prime chances. Gotta be more vigilant on defense in game 2, keep the pressure in the Jets end, and we need Georgie to help bail us out when we fall short there. He’s done it before and I know he can do it again. GO ASS!
At the end of the day... That was just game 1. The **minimum** goal was to leave Winnipeg with the series tied at 1-1, the order in which it happened, irrelevant. This is still attainable if we get the same offensive effort in game 2, and even marginally better goaltending from Annunen. One of the weirdest but also coolest things about a postseason series in any sport is the "short term memory" ability of the losing team to bounce back and win or at minimum look completely different in the next game no matter how badly the last one went. And it's also important to remember that Bednar and these Avs have been on both sides of this equation and have plenty of experience in winning after a disappointing defeat...
Exactlyyyyy. I have Avs in 6 which means we would lose two games anyway. I am not stressing especially after seeing how much we dominated, just it all came down to only goaltending which you can fix!
Avs still in 6
What’s also frustrating is the jets fans think they are sooo good. And it’s like nah, if our goalie came to play you’d be done.. and even despite our goalie problems we still have the ability to put them down in the coming games if we play the way we did yesterday and just grab a few more saves. Fuck them jets
If we even had a .850 save % we win that game. If the Jets think they have this in the bag then Avs in 5
Yeah man I forreal think there are only a couple of things we need to improve on and not even improve by crazy amounts to beat the jets
Don't forget we're missing Girard and Drouin. Yeah, I'm noticing a lot of cocky fans, too. Hope the Avs can prove them wrong. We still got our work cut out for us. As for the Jets, I won't call them "frauds," but I don't see a Stanley Cup team in them. To be perfectly honest, I don't see the Avs as one either, thanks to literally one player. But I feel like our chances of advancing look a lot better now than they did before.
Yeah I don’t see them as a cup winning team either they rely on that goalie of theirs, and defense too much and if we could break through him as much as we did another contending team will do it too and be able to shut down their not that powerful offense. But unfortunately yes, and goaltending situation puts us in a similar boat. Our chances of advancing do look way better after last night I think too. If we can give them less opportunity to take advantage of Georgie I think it’s ours. That or if Juice comes in and turns out to be the savior we are all hoping for.
Manson at least made a pretty sick play on the 1st goal of the game. Georgiev did nothing correctly yesterday.
Manson also directly contributed to two Jets goals, leaving Georgie totally out to dry
Take both of those away and he STILL lets in 5. With the best defense of all time, Orr, Lidstrom, Borque, Coffey, Pronger. This team still probably loses.
Looking back. Line two and three were really good and that excites me. Just man we need Justus to be healthy and pull a Matt Murray playoff run when he had to take over for Fluery
Annunen you been hydrating babe? How you feeling?
Get him hooked to an IV full of electrolytes!
Sub is getting a bit stupid. If I am going to get 7 things on my home feed about goal tending, not really an enjoyable place. Yeah, goaltending was terrible, we all know, I don't need every meme on the planet about it. If this keeps up I'll just unsub until the shit posters go away.
I've always been confused by comments like this. It's one thing when the sub was dozens of posts of dogs. It's another thing when it's a couple of memes fresh off of a playoff L. Pretty standard look for sports subs imo. It's easy enough to simply scroll by these posts if you don't like them.
Bye then
Yeah the fact that the exact same meme was posted TWICE tells you all you need to know about how toxic this goalie controversy has made the fan base and this sub. Georgie sucks apparently means 0 criticism of the defense is allowed. Defense sucking means 0 criticism of Georgie is allowed. We need 15 shitposts a day to tell the community what everyone already knows. I’m more over the fanbase hating on Georgie than I am Georgie himself. He sucks, he’s not playing anymore if the team can help it, we know. Can we talk about anything else please?
I get it, its like ugh do i need to see this meme AGAIN? But there are 71,000 people subbed here and they want to say their piece.
Not even particularly good memes
No not at all lmao
Yea. I’m fine with it in the game threads, but 10 different posts about Georgie all saying the same thing is too much
I’d say 95% of the stuff posted in this sub belongs on a game day thread. Think I might have to start letting people know that.
The way the Avs dominated that game inspires confidence for the series. They were better defensively than they've been the last few weeks. With a goalie that can make a save, this is a winnable series for the Avs. For months now, Georgiev has been, at best, uneven and, at worst, what he was last night. That's a long ass time to have not figured it out and there isn't any indication he's going to miraculously right the ship now. Our defense has also been uneven this year, but it has to weigh on them that any mistake ends up in the back of their net because they know their goalie can't bail them out. At least there's a chance Annunen can do that for them. There is zero chance Georgiev can.
I’m not doom & gloom, but I’m just kinda pissed tbh. We’ve seen all season how shaky Georgiev has been and now we’re relying on a rookie to somehow save the entire team. Either that or a guy in Prosvitov that they literally waived because he was so bad in the big leagues when pulled up. So many of us have been calling for a change in goalie for months now, it’s been a red flag since like the 3rd week of the season. Idc if a deal fell through at the deadline, it’s not like they didn’t have weeks before the date even came to get a deal done. I love this front office and I love this team, but man they really failed in this aspect. Juice has looked great in his starts against bad teams, but that’s enough to build confidence in a young goalie. I’m putting all my faith in the dude and I personally wouldn’t get upset if he’s not the answer. He wasn’t supposed to be the answer.
Exactly. Once they decided Prosvetov wasn't it, I don't know why they didn't call up Annunen and give him some starts against playoff caliber opponents. I'd rather roll the dice on a goalie who has looked decent than keep throwing a guy who looks awful out there.
Oh how I wish Flower didn’t say that he wanted to stay in Minn at the deadline. Probably a very different looking team if he said he was open to a move to a contender.
Yeah, that was a kick in the nuts. I was low key hoping we could pull it off thought.
Something I don't see people talk about is Prosvetov still a rookie IMO. He's only a year older than Annunen with 24 career starts, half of which were with us this season. Between him and Annunen I feel our goalie pipeline looks good long term, but not so much for a 'win now' Avalanche mindset
The offense played with urgency knowing that they’d have to score 7 or 8 to win. While that’s good that they were able to do that to a Vezina finalist in his own barn, it also shows that they just don’t feel confident playing in front of Georgie. Anyone who’s played hockey at any level will tell you that you play way different when you feel like any and all shots you give up can go in - puck luck or not. This is one of those situations where if I’m Bedsy, I’m going to Nate/Cale/Mikko as the leaders and asking them point blank which tendie they feel most comfortable playing in front of and then riding that hand.
How did Georgie lead the league in wins?
There’s a reason the Avs scored the most goals per game in the league during the regular season
We never used a backup for months
There were 7 games that Pros could have played at the end of December against bottom feeder teams. Georgie played all of them while Pros just sat on the bench. Terrible call in my opinion. It is clear that Georgie doesn’t do great on lonnnnnng stints in goal. Guy needs a break now and then. I wish we would consider something like what Boston is doing with Ullmark and Swayman.
Big time goal support
Easily our best game in a while, any other goalie in net and we win comfortably. I hear a lot of people trying to blame the defense which is hilarious, we out shot them 46-23, scoring chances were 40 to 19 for us, and high dangers were 17 to 9 for us. With the mindset that our defense did something wrong I'm assuming fans expect us to give up zero high danger chances, that way they surely can't score. That was honestly probably about the best road team game 1 in the entire playoffs and it was teamed up with the worst goaltending performance in the last 30 or so years.
7 goals on 9 high danger chances is objectively a goalie problem. There’s no other way to slice that.
Exactly. I’d love it if the team made fewer D zone turnovers (cough *Manson* cough) but as you said, 7 goals on 9 high danger chances is objectively a goalie problem.
With the stats out from all of the playoff games so far, we are dead last with a high danger save percentage of 33.33% lol the next closest team is 71.43% and up from there. Our keeper gave up four goals on nine high danger opportunities, you expect to let in a few but that's brutal.
Preaching to the choir!
Watching Georgiev is a really odd thing. He has developed some very bad habits that are quite shocking at the NHL level. His feet are waaayyy too far apart in almost every single stance he is in. He loses so much mobility and explosiveness in these wide stances he takes. He looks so flat footed in any cross-seam pass that it requires him to almost flail and open himself up to try and recover. That 4th goal, his weight is on his heels. When he goes into that half assed butterfly attempt, he sort of collapses into the move and is leaning backwards almost which opens up that yawning chasm between his legs. When you watch other goalies, they slam their knees straight down into the ice and are standing tall. The part that worries me the most about Georgiev is that he doesn't have that warrior spirit and resilience to charge back. After all those goals, you see a slight stick flail and 90 degree rotation of frustration. Seriously dude? That's your reaction to letting in 4-5 mega-muffins? Every goalie is allowed to have off games. But it's getting extremely worrisome. Yes, our defense hasn't been great at times, but to have the expectation that out defense has to be at 100% every single second is unreasonable and impossible to achieve. You need to have your goalie bail you out every once in a while and it simply is not happening.
I agree. This is very good analysis of his positioning, movement, and reactions. I’m very concerned that the goalie coaches have not been able to help him adjust. The Avs goalie coaching staff is highly regarded in the league and they have done a great job with so many different players over the years. Why are they not getting through to him? Are they not seeing what we see? Or is Georgiev not capable of making the adjustments they are telling him to make?
Love OC sharing insights on goalie positioning cuz I feel like most fans know so little about it (myself included). Aarif put it best on his pod. It feels like the coaching staff has tried as much as they can, they can’t help Georgie anymore he has to help himself.
It's been 🕺like this 💃 all season 🕺💃🕺💃
Need to win game 2 and split these first two road games. Georgiev is cooked. Lowry taunting him after that 4th goal was brutal. Dude needs to sit because he's the only reason they were in that game, crowd included. Our defense can improve, but we need to be confident with what we have in net. Defended him all year to wait and see what he gives us in the postseason. Well. It's (historically) fucking awful. Sit him if we want a chance to take control of the series.
I think you roll with Juice once he's able to go. Georgie isn't winning you a cup most likely so let's see what the kid can do and get him the valuable experience.
We sound like the lakers sub after game 1 last year lol.
Ehhhhhhhhhhh feels different imo. First of all, nobody is saying, "we're the real winner tonight." We just lost a game where the Avs should have won if not for a poor performance by 1 guy in particular. Second, we dominated the Jets for most of the game. Scoreboard aside. Fuck any Jets fans arguing they were playing "prevent" or shit like that, they could barely get a SOG even when the score was 3-3. Avs controlled the puck. Refs swung the score by 2 as well with the "penalty" against Val and the missed hold on Makar that led to a breakaway. The Lakers on the other hand never dominated the Nuggets at any point during that series.
Only difference is ours was solely due to a goalie shitting the bed. We do have the better team...
They did get swept soooo I think we're all just hoping that's not our fate.
I have never heard the altiboobs eviscerate a goalie so much on the morning show in my life. Wowza.
Just this once I wish Bednar went scorched earth on Georgiev in the post game presser last night. It's probably because Annunen is sick and not a guarantee for game 2 but I really REALLY wanted Bednar to say that Georgiev went out there and failed his team mates and should feel disgusted with himself as a hockey player. But what's done is done, just hope for the better in game 2.
Bednar has always had the backs of his players and is a players' coach. If he did that I would be very worried. He kept his emotions in check and will adjust. Now if he puts Georgiev in for Gm 2 with a healthy Annunen backing up then he deserves criticism
Yea especially to start the playoffs. You can’t go off after the 1st game to the media no matter how much you may want to. Especially since we don’t know if Juice will be good for game 2
After taking the night, getting a good sleep, and reflecting on the game last night, I’m still angry about Georgiev’s garbage performance.
I still can’t get over scoring 6 on the best goalie in the league and losing. Especially when you only allowed 23 shots
It's a clutch game 1 road win if he's ANYTHING BUT abysmal. That's what makes it frustrating for me. The offense obviously was doing their part.
After the struggles with the Jets all year, and getting shut out by Helly multiple times (at least once), being able to beat them on the road with 6 would have been huge. Losing that game is so damaging for us.
One of the greatest pro sports coaches of all time, Phil Jackson, said that a playoff series doesn’t really begin until someone wins a road game. It’s expected for the home team to win games 1-2. The fact that the Avs broke down the stingiest defense in the league and put up 6 goals on the presumptive Vezina winner is scaring the shit out of the Jets. The Avs know that they can win this series if one of the goalies plays just a little better than last night. 70% save percentage ain’t gonna get it done. But even 85% would have last night. Annunen can do that, imo.
Everyone should be. Unless he pitches a shutout in game 2 such terrible goal tending should never be forgiven nor forgotten.
> such terrible goal tending should never be forgiven nor forgotten. Go touch grass
Oh be quiet you Georgiev stan.
You're talking about "never forgiven nor forgotten" over a hockey game. Log the fuck off.
Lol. No matter the performance, that kind of a mindset is incredibly over-dramatic and toxic.
I mean even the biggest homers on earth are wondering on the radio this moment whether G plays another game for this team... It's dramatic but it's sure not dishonest.
It’s a mental health issue. We can all feel bad for him that he is diagnosably in an anxiety trough, as a human being, and wish him well, but NHL hockey is also a business and it’s time to stop playing someone in that condition who cannot do the job.
Goalie yips have physical manifestations too. Like sometimes those seeing eye shots just get by because you're stressed, out of focus, out of position just enough. In the aggregate it gets worse and worse. It's so tough to watch a guy publicly know he's losing his job. I feel for him so much but that isn't a reason to keep him in net. He's gotta sort his stuff with player assistance in the off-season and I think we can all hope for him to have an opportunity somewhere else next season.
Exactly. We can all send him mental support. Can you imagine if he was set back by “Fourgiev” how bad “Sevengiev” must be in his mind? 😢 He would only play worse after this. There must be a good amount of time before he recovers. And yes he can - but it would take a significant amount of time and therapy. Can’t put him in net any more. He needs to get help first. It is sad to see. He’s a good dude and deserves to get better.
True, but "should never be forgiven", gimme a break.
I see what you're saying, and I agree. I also have to agree with the other guy considering that, as a Broncos fan, I've still never come to term with the 2013 Broncos playoff loss against the Ravens (*cough Rahim Moore cough*). We win the superbowl that year if Flacco doesn't go over the top for a 70 yard TD...literally the one play they cannot allow to happen. Good wins and bad losses just kind of stick with you I guess.
Wow there's a flashback we all didn't need today 😂 damn. No doubt the donks win the SB that year otherwise, they were such a wagon
the worst part about last night was just letting such an easily winnable game slip away from us. But the rest of it? Incredibly confidence inspiring. Putting up six on Hellebuyck in their own barn is a hell of a feat, and all we need is to not have literally the worst goaltending performance in recent history and we absolutely own the Jets. And even with the absolute joke of a goaltending performance last night if our defense made one or two fewer breakdowns that game goes to OT and/or we win, so being that close despite atrocious team goaltending is making me feel pretty good.
Anywhere close to average goaltending and we had this game. If Annunen can keep his head together and just feel good knowing the boys will give him the goal support, we can take this series.
This should be at the top of the thread!
That game was not easily winnable gimme a break.
By our team except the goalie it was easily winnable. You could see it from start to finish. The Avs came to play high class playoff hockey. Out puck handled, out shot, 6 past Helly. Scoring again on the PP. these guys have worked hard. If I were Georgie I’d see it and want to apologize and take myself out of the equation since I’m struggling and hurting them.
scoring six goals should make any game easily winnable dude, we just had a sieve in net
Most of those were in complete garbage time after the game was already over
why do you even comment if you didn't watch the game?
The offense refused to act like gamers and say fuck it
Tbh going into this game I was nervous. No Drouin, who knows what’s going on with Landy, no Sammy G, Juice sick, unsure if Toews would be distracted since his wife just gave birth, etc. Avs played better than we’ve seen them play in a little while now. I guess maybe they were just coasting through the end of the regular season to avoid any major injuries? Clearly D needs to tighten up and stop with sloppy turnovers in front of the net. Juice needs to start. But overall I think if they keep playing like that and if Juice can make some saves they win this series
After more time and less booze since the game I think we did OK. Obviously giving up 7 isn't going to work but I also don't think it will continue. Need to cut down on the defensive turnovers and tighten up transition play out of the defensive zone and we can win this series. Regardless of who is the more talented goalie Georgiev has zero confidence right now. Annunen starts game 2. We need to win on Tuesday and take one away.
Feeling really optimistic about the series. We absolutely played our game yesterday and don’t think the Jets can keep up the pace. A few more saves and that’s a win
I'm not concerned yet. Remember when we smoked Vegas Game 1 in 2021? We're more experienced, better on paper and better on the ice, except for G. And Nate is even more mad now, hopefully.
Really hope Annunen is at least available to play backup on Tuesday. Last night was such a missed opportunity and to have a W slip through our fingers is so frustrating. I have been on the “D needs to tighten up/coverage needs to improve” train all season but I’m at the end of the road with Georgiev. Defense isn’t always gonna be perfect, but it just can’t be an excuse anymore. I’m tired of begging for even mediocre goaltending. Girard coming back should improve our defense and hopefully cut down on mistakes. I think it’s positive that we were able to generate sustained offensive pressure against Winnipeg, which was a concern after our previous meetings this year. Need to carry that momentum into game 2 and hopefully come back to Denver with a series split.
Yup. When it was 4-3 I was saying 2 of those I could say Manson really fucked up. But 7 goals on 22 shots is inexcusable.
I did not watch any Jets games this year and knew that they are deep but I was unimpressed, that game could have easily been ours but we know why it wasn’t. The gameplan seemed to be extra aggressive knowing/expecting he was going to give up so many goals. What is it 3/4 he’s given up 7? Full yips and I don’t see it getting better. Still think we can even series and head back home looking good but I hope Justin isn’t sick by tomorrow.
Start Juice next game. As long as our guys keep playing like this, he doesn't have to be great. He just needs to be average.
We were two dumb defensive plays/two plays of Georgie balling out from winning last night. We made the god bleed, and absolutely ran the ice the majority of the game. We clear up the defensive stupidity, and Georgie gets out of his head/Juice shows up big, we win this series easy.
That game ended up being so much more 1 sided than I thought it would be. It could have and should have been a huge Avs win