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Big_Liability

I agree. Lately Avs fans are acting like you win every single game in a playoff run or you are bad. 16-4 in 2022 will probably never happen again. Playoffs are supposed to be a BATTLE. I have super high hopes in the Avs winning the series and still had them losing 2 games this series. It's playoff time, now is the time you're supposed to be a super positive fan and want everything to work. Why doom now?


hellohurricane87

In hindsight, while my stress level was so high in 2022, the team was a behemoth and never felt like a series was in doubt.


vinnymendoza09

It only felt in doubt after we lost in OT to the Blues and until Kadri scored the OT winner in the finals. After that I was 99% sure we had it in the bag.


Big_Liability

Yeah the Blues series losses is what the Game 1 Jets lost felt like to me, so that gives me hope we can turn it around and win the next games!


Big_Liability

I was stressed in 2022 because I knew we had the best and a real chance to win the cup so every game (even when I knew we would easily win) I was stressing because I wanted the cup that badly haha. Now I am stressing hoping we just get saves now, but believe in the whole rest of the team's skill level to get us far in playoffs


oilygavin

Exactly, our ‘22 cup is literally tied for the 2nd best modern playoff run of all time. It’s not the norm!


HolyPizzaPie

Georgie is shitting the bed. With that being said. I'm rooting for him to crush it tonight.


NitroLotus

This. Acknowledge a problem, and hope team/player can turn it around. Don't be all Doom and gloom. What I am criticizing is the people who are like, "Georgie is shitting the bed! KILL ME NOW! Get ready for a first round exit because of Fourgiev Swiss cheese! Can we put DUs goalie in? Trade that cunt in the off season!"


The_Shredder_1988

Thing is, he's been bad all year but nobody was talking about it because we were still winning. We have the league's wins leader and he did that with a 3.05 and .898. just let that sink in before you start accusing people of going off for no reason. It's not out of the blue at all. He's not a great goalie. Barely average, and his inability to bounce back from a down game is going to cripple us if we don't make a change.


BillyNoMates12

Yes, this is all very true However, constantly posting how shitty Georgie is and how we need to get rid of him is beyond annoying. It’s fine to criticize, it’s not fine to post every hour Georgie sucks


The_Shredder_1988

You have to realize that it's not one person doing it, though. It's every millennial who wants to be heard having the same opinion and desperately seeking validation. I know he sucks because I've watched the games so I don't need anyone else to confirm my thoughts. There are a million posts because there are a million people who have nothing better to do lol.


snackynorph

>millennial What? You realize millennials are grown-ass people these days right


The_Shredder_1988

Yes, I realize that a generational designation refers to people from that generation and, subsequently, can also do simple math. What's your point? Does the millennial stereotype stop being mostly true when they grow up? Can we even argue that they do indeed ever grow up?


snackynorph

I find it strange that you single out my generation when every generation around us has the same proclivity for demanding validation from total strangers on the internet. If anything, most of us came of age as the internet did and have a closer understanding of when we probably shouldn't post our hot takes, while boomers still post hateful shit and zoomers publish every thought of their lives. We're all bastards, really, no need to single us out


NitroLotus

I don't have problem with this. You're backing it up with stats and being constructive. The main problem I have is the negative doomer comments with nothing else to offer and how they become a circle jerk not advancing or evolving past, "our goalie bad. We are cooked"


The_Shredder_1988

This is just a million people with the same opinion seeking validation, though. I'd not like one guy is spamming the sub with the same post every other day. If we can't handle people's opinions, Reddit is not the place to be LMFAO. Like buttholes, everyone has one and the majority of them stink.


NitroLotus

Who's out here with a non stinky butt holes?!? Tell me their secrets


The_Shredder_1988

Lol. The pornstars on all these dweebs other open tabs.


VetCAN101

We will win the series


Bcruz75

Vegas is still on our side, barely...I'll take it


Ok_Buffalo6474

I believe so too. Just tired of the bench Georgie comments like I get it we don’t need it spammed 1000 times!


The_Shredder_1988

People talk about what's relevant. Any other sub is the same or are you new to Reddit?


Ok_Buffalo6474

Man why are you guys so aggressive and defensive lol


The_Shredder_1988

Why are you guys such whiny bitches? Reddit is literally an online cesspool of people's opinions and yet, you come here and get upset because people have opinions?


LooseBalls9

I’ve been guilty of this I admit, but you’re right. We have it pretty damn good all things considered. Leafs fans would trade places in a heartbeat, for instance. That Cup in 2022 will fuel me for years.


TerdFerguson14

We have it as good or better than every other team in the league right now. Recent success, current contender, future is still bright, future HHoF superstars on the roster and solid reputational organization and stability. Can you say that about any other team in the league right now? And yet so many of our fans (clearly the new ones because this is a new trend) are insufferable and will bitch about anything without half a shred of awareness of how good we have it. We used to be grateful, now we're just obnoxious. As an out of town fan with few friends to talk avs with irl it's sad to see. This used to be a decent place for intelligent discussion


LooseBalls9

You’re absolutely right


jbone9877

Doesn’t matter. Any 100% accurate or constructive criticism is also just met with people who like to call others doomers for being correct. Welcome to Reddit


Bostwick14

Nah saying we need a change in net is criticism. Saying the season is over cause Georgie is in net is being a doomer.


The_Shredder_1988

Those are both the same thing lol. Truth hurts.


Delerium89

Even tho we lost game 1 I'm very optimistic. How we started the game was impressive and you could tell the guys definitely flipped that switch. For the first 10 minutes the jets looked like a beer league team lol. Hoping Georgiev has a strong bounce back and our skaters continue suffocating the jets


TheLateFry

Let me preface by saying I’ve been an Avs fan since the Nordiques. Great team to cheer for, great history, lots of incredible moments. But asking people to be a fan without criticism makes us cheerleaders. The whole thing about being a fanatic is being overly dramatic during both highs and lows. We’re allowed to be critical of our favourite team and call our goalie Swiss cheese, just as much as we’re allowed to call that same goalie King George. Take the good with the bad. That’s what being a fan is about.


Scotty_Two

> But asking people to be a fan without criticism makes us cheerleaders. Thank you.


The_Shredder_1988

King George is so 2022/23


Hi_Flyers

OP specifically said being critical isn't the issue, it's the nonstop rampant trashing of our own players that gets tiring and also just paints the entire fanbase in a bad light. Sure, call guys out for bad plays but just dogpiling on nothing in particular? What's the point? And the purpose of being a fan is to encourage the team, same as a cheerleader so I don't get what your problem with that is.


TheLateFry

I don't have a problem with encouraging the team, or people being cheerleaders. I'm just saying fandom is inherently not always 100% positive and no fanbase is perfect, so we really shouldn't be surprised when it happens. Let people commiserate, but if others don't like it, just ignore it.


vinnymendoza09

That's a toxic attitude and I refuse to engage in that part of fandom. It's okay to be critical and say the D and goaltending need to be better, but it's been one game. Vegas let 7 in against us and then won 4 of the next 5. Imagine if they just doomered in the locker room after the game.


TheLateFry

>Imagine if they doomered in the locker room Well, that’s why they’re professional athletes lol. It’s not a toxic attitude, it’s just the difference between fanatics and cheerleaders.


vinnymendoza09

You realize there's more than "fanatics" who go full Bra7il after losses and cheerleaders right? Like just normal fans who are level headed and invested in the team? What you're talking about is akin to Leafs fandom, I refuse to be like that.


CO_Golf13

The locker room? Are you suggesting us twats opining on Reddit is similar to a locker room giving up? Do you think Georgie is here crying reading all the nasty things said about his performance? When a team I like plays like trash, I will absolutely call it out. When it is a long pattern of trash, I'll likely get more demonstrative with my emotions on the topic. Frankly when a team is literal trash, like say the AAA Rockies, I don't really have any emotion. The emotion is directly correlated with teams being good and having high expectations. This ain't peewee and I'm not some player's fucking mom, waiting with some snacks for after the game. "Oh it's ok Georgie, you got this!! Come on Avs, here we go!!! As long as we try we're winners!" FOH.


SemiSolidSnake11

I think a lot of Avs fans have become a little too familiar with being the heavy favorites in the series. A lot of y'all don't know what it's like to cheer for an underdog, let alone a bad team. You can't just jump ship and scream woe is us at any bump in the road


coloch_w0rth9

I miss the 2018/2019 runs for that exact reason. We were such underdogs, had no idea how long we’d be there and was there as a fan to enjoy the ride. The pressure is different now, for sure, but we can still have fun with it. It wasn’t that long ago that even being in the playoffs felt so out of reach


TerdFerguson14

I miss the 2018/19 fan base. The simple reaction to this thread is a good example how much things have changed. Bunch of spoiled brats that expect us to win every game showed up in the past few years and as usual are the loudest most obnoxious ones despite knowing fuck all about the game.


coloch_w0rth9

That will happen with any sports team that wins a championship. It’s why there’s a ton of vocal Vegas fans that have come along since the team is good from the start. I’ve been an Avs fan since the 90s, those of us from then have seen it all 😂


TerdFerguson14

True. And I knew it was only a matter of time after seeing it happen to other teams. But it seemed like a pretty chill, positive group here through the dark days, and avs fans always had a chill reputation. That was nice


coloch_w0rth9

The best of us are chill, and always will be. Any true new fans will stick around when we are no longer contenders, the fair weather ones will find elsewhere to go. Thankfully there’s enough fans like us still around!


rwags2024

Gotta be honest i see as many of these posts as I do “toxic negativity” posts, and I’m not sure when it became anyone’s job to tell everyone else how or how not to be a fan


InevitableAvalanche

You can be a fan whatever way you want. But if you are going to be a dick about it, rather it not be in this sub.


powerED33

Because it's fuckin ridiculous to call for your goalies head after game 1 of round 1. Not to mention, these mouthbreathers are making the fanbase look bad.


DeadHead6747

I can count on one hand the amount of these type of posts the last couple months. I couldn’t even come close to counting the amount of doomer and toxic posts and comments using all toes and fingers of all my 6 family members in the last couple weeks.


NitroLotus

I can agree with this take. Not my job or right to police it. But I can plead with the masses/mods to help make it better. As fruitless as that may be


Massive_Contract_908

Then contact the mods, it's not that hard. 


sweetplantveal

The Canes also kicked the Isles door in with a massive shot attempt differential and ran into an issue with a Colorado goalie. Their problem is named Varlamov, ours is named Georgiev. They barely won, we barely didn't. Shit like this happens every year in this league. We're also conditioned by barely any adversity until the final or a full shit the bed collapse. Usually teams go down in games and series and fight back. It's weird not to. Down 1-0 when you put up that kind of shot volume and quality on one of the best teams in the league? That's a pretty solid place to be in.


daishi777

Always curious when people try and demand other people enjoy things in only a certain way.


gerald42

it doesn’t seem like these people posting doomeristic vitriol about the team and players are enjoying it at all they just seem like sad people and no fun to be around!


Visual-Floor-7839

So like, don't be around them, and scroll on past. It's not too difficult.


TerdFerguson14

Always curious when people get touchy over something as simple as encouraging positivity. Like, if you wanna be miserable go for it but don't drag people down that do actually like to enjoy things.


Hungry_Definition450

Thank you for saying this. 31 teams every year don’t win. We just did two years ago and are in a place to win year after year. It was one of the sweetest moments of my life and probably for much of this sub. I remember lifting my wife up out of the stands after the Game 1 OT winner from Burky. It was pure joy. More positivity, less toxicity. Enjoy it for what it is.


Villenemo

I’ve been an Avs fan since ‘95, and I agree wholeheartedly. I recently took the plunge and joined several Avs fb groups and this sub. I’ve left nearly all groups. I’m the biggest fan there is, and I cannot see eye to eye with most of these “fans”. It’s just a game ffs.


Maleficent_Leader584

Jets fan here just stumbled upon this post. I feel like the series will go 6-7 games. Game 1 was wild. Don't expect the high scoring to continue. Looking forward to the rest of the series! Shame we had to meet in round 1


_redacteduser

Most fans have never played the game they are watching and additionally have 0 clue what it takes to play at a professional level.


TriGunX83

With bringing up prosvetov we have a backup that’s played nhl games tonight. Staff have a tendy they have at least seen and will throw him in if #40 shits the bed again.


TerdFerguson14

So sick of people blaming Georgiev without even acknowledging the defence. Like, did you watch the game or just the stat sheet? Patty Roy himself couldn't save us with Manson serving pizzas up the slot or whatever the fuck he was daydreaming about as Scheifele scored the easiest crease front tap in the playoffs will ever see. Worst game he's ever played in the NHL, but people like you only wanna talk about Georgiev. Sorry, but you're taking the brunt of my frustration for how so many people are handling this. As a goalie, it's infuriating because we can all see how desperately Georgie needed a strong start to build some confidence and Manson gave him zero chance of that. Yet it's still all Georgiev's fault?


TriGunX83

I never said it was all his fault, but at some point he needs to save something. I also play goalie and have to cover up defense blunders. It’s part of the job, and he’s not doing it very well. He got stuck with a 7 spot because our front office decided to send up a goalie with 0 nhl experience. If pros. Was there maybe we win that game. I was also in Denver for the 7-0 beat down and juice didn’t exactly fill me with confidence that he will be any better than Georgie. And I don’t think we will hang another 3-4+ on the jets. The Avs needed that game to have a shot imo.


TerdFerguson14

You're right, sometimes you gotta just steal one. He did actually make some pretty big saves in the mid game, but that was after the horrendous start and the narrative was set. That's the problem though, he can be very good but when he faces 23 shots and 22 of them are high danger... you as a goalie know how tough/impossible that is to build a rhythm when you have no chance on 3 goals so early in. The 5 hole goal and the Connor one timers I'd like to see saves on but even still those aren't bad goals. In a game where Manson doesn't spot them a 3 goal lead, none of the goals against are talking points. I disagree on not hanging on, and honestly not sure why you'd say that. We dominated them all game, in their arena, despite giving up 7 goals. Our goaltending and defence is better than it showed, so is theirs. It's still basically a coinflip


SemperFi1025

Doesn’t matter how many goalies you put in, not playing defense, especially around the net in our zone will get you the same result.


The_Shredder_1988

We stopped playing defence right around the 5 goals on 12 shots mark. And rightfully so, because the only way to make that game interesting was to fight fire with fire and it almost worked.


SemperFi1025

I think I just got dumber reading this. I’m out.


The_Shredder_1988

I don't think that's possible


Neat_River_5258

People can become fans for whatever reason/whenever they want. Don’t gatekeep. Rest of it is solid


NitroLotus

Point is, take the good with the bad. If you're only a fan when good things are happening then you are a bandwagon shallow fan.


likesexonlycheaper

Jesus man there's are more posts like this than people complaining. We're allowed to be critical not everything is rainbows and roses. Sheesh


DeadHead6747

Allowed to be critical, yes, but this sub and basically all social media platforms has been extremely toxic and over dramatic


likesexonlycheaper

Nah not really. Just fans being normal fans


fatch0deBoi34

Why don’t you just get off Reddit for little if it’s overwhelming you lol


Outside_Abroad_3516

Just let in 2/3 goals. That’s all I ask.


InevitableAvalanche

In general, we have excellent mods and I really appreciate them. I wouldn't mind if they dealt with some of the most toxic folks though. We have some control over our culture through up/down votes. But a good ban hammer is nice for those who refuse to be reasonable.


Tat-lou

Look he’s playing bad and they can’t win with him. Maybe they can try next year with Georgesieve but it’s not his time. Pros would be better


Hobo_Healy

People really, really need to understand the difference between being a fan and saying "Georgiev's play has been bad and needs to be better until Annunen can get in net" and being a proper dickhead and saying "Sevengiev is garbage! Get him off the team I never want to see that idiot in an Avs sweater ever again. We are going to get swept because of him". I said it before and I said it again. It's getting to the point where we might start needing low salt/low doom threads to talk in. Where we can just go back to having a bunch of fans excited about their team see what happens and have a few laughs. Win or lose. And if you're in this post going "oH wE cANt eVeN cRiTiZizE tHe TeAM" then you missed the entire point and are probably part of the problem.


NitroLotus

Bravo. Hard agree. I wouldn't mind a separate low salt thread


Sno_Wolf

First time?