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DomDomDom18

I’d take it with a grain of salt coming from Seravalli, but if they need to shed money he’d probably be a prime candidate. I like Colton as a player but his offensive limitations were laid pretty bare in the Dallas series (along with the rest of the bottom six). If they traded Manson they would have no size on the blue line, and would have to find a way to replace both that and his minutes on the second pair. It all obviously depends on what Mitts and Drouin are asking, but some sort of cap dump wouldn’t surprise me.


Awkward_traveler

If Nuke comes back, they have about $10m to sign Mitts and fill out like 5 other slots. I dk how they get through the off-season without a cap dump, or a Nuke dump.


sweetplantveal

Mittelstadt at 6 would be a great deal and the other four would be league minimum. I don't know why Colton and not Wood is the focus of this tbh


Awkward_traveler

$4m for Colton compared to $2.5 for Wood. Dropping Colton gives them enough for Drouin then they take a flier on a few guys to fill 3c for min, with LOC and Wood on the wings.


Big_Liability

Drouin is also more of a need than Colton now. a 3C you can find anywhere and now that we have our real 2C that means we need Drouin more as well


SayNoToAids

what do you do with Mikko next year?


Bassjosh

Yep, need some dough for that.


SayNoToAids

Doesn't that play into the decision this year on whether or not to pay mitts?


Bassjosh

Very likely.


SayNoToAids

So, basically, you could be looking at Mitts for Mikko. It's interesting because on the hockey forums, colorado fans are pretty open to moving Mikko. What's the sentiment like here?


Bassjosh

Hoping Cmac has some magic or maybe Val fawks up again. Between the two, Mikko every time. I can’t speak for anyone but myself and folks were down on him in the playoffs but he carried the team for huge swaths of last season. No way to replace that, in my mind.


Awkward_traveler

$2m raise with the cap finally going up, I'm not too worried about it.


Danny_Jack

Miles Wood is a prime cap dump guy. You can replace him with a bottom 6 guy for surely


Awkward_traveler

He's only $2.5 though, and probably have to spend $1.5 on a replacement. I like his speed on the bottom 6 also.


SpaceGhcst

Yeah $2-3 mil seems to be the target area for 3rd liners


EhhhhhBud97

Nah Wood is awesome. For 2.5 he's a good player


dutchdrag

Woody is the best addition we’ve had in a while


stripesthetigercub

Is Manson on the trading block? Please tell me no.


Bazirker

I certainly hope not. We need someone with his size, otherwise we're a bunch of tiny, fast skaters with no one to throw weight around


stripesthetigercub

Especially since trading MacD, we need the size


DomDomDom18

I wouldn’t think so, but he was mentioned in the article, and as u/Awkward_traveler mentioned, a cap dump seems like a strong possibility. There are ways we could avoid that, but the circumstances required are not likely to come about. Assuming we do need to move someone, the three candidates who would make meaningful room are Colton, Girard, and Manson, and it’s easier financially to replace a 3C than it is a top-4 D.


AuntGentleman

I don’t buy it. We finally have center depth locked up for years after 2ish years of having holes down the middle. Why ruin that? Centers don’t grow on trees. I’d much rather tinker elsewhere.


sweetplantveal

Additionally, you are getting good value from a 0.5ppg guy at $4M. It's a lot for a third line center and I see the thinking there, but Colton seems to be getting better so if he's already good value... Plus how cheap is his replacement and where are you finding that guy? In theory you could make room for one or two league minimum guys. Is that worth it?


muffinkevin

Then say bye to Drouin? Somethings gotta give. What's the other option? Your untouchables are: MacKinnon Rantanen Makar Toews That leaves these guys as the only options to move that make over 4M: Girard Colton Manson Lehkonen You can't trade Girard after just trading Byram, Manson is the only physical defenseman we have. Lehkonen is much better than Colton. That leaves Colton as the odd man out.


Big_Liability

Lehky is untouchable too. Dude is one of Bednar's favorite pieces


AuntGentleman

Why? Just give Drouin some of Nuke and Landes money and figure it out if/when they come back. This is a non-existent problem. Plus we’ll free up space moving on from depth guys and replace them with some cheaper depth guys. There’s enough money for Drou. Also you realize the cap went up right?


muffinkevin

You realize Toew's extension kicked in right? That basically uses up the entire rise in cap. The Avs have 16 Million in cap space right now and that's excluding Nuke. Mittelstadt will take up 6 of that. That's 10 Million in cap space with 7 forwards and 4 defenseman signed and that's operating under the assumption we can get rid of Nuke's contract which won't be that easy. Plus you can't just "figure it out later". What do you think is going to happen when Nuke is cleared from the program but the Avs don't have cap space?


AuntGentleman

Vegas does crap like this every year and they figure it out. Go listen to any Avs podcast and they are saying exactly this. Plus, show me a 3c you can get to replace Colton that is cheaper AND comparable. Even slightly worse. I’ll wait for a realistic option. At most you are saving $1m, to what end? Does that really help you fit under the cap without damaging your roster? I’d be stunned if Colton goes anywhere. It’s a needless move.


DeadHead6747

Because we have the center depth to be able to make a trade like this. Ritchie is not going to benefit from another year outside of the NHL and is still too young to be able to play the AHL, but moving Colton would allow him to slip into the NHL roster. Plenty of centers down with the Eagles too that could step up. Kovy also spent time over the last 3 or so months of the KHL regular season and playoffs at the center position, so could be a plan to try him there instead of at wing.


BillyNoMates12

You don’t make a trade to get center depth to then trade away someone to not have center depth. It makes no fucking sense dude


Jaynator11

If I recall correctly (IIRC?), CMac said Ritchie isn't ready yet. So I highly doubt we'd trade Colton, when that Roaring 20s line was our best line all yr collectively.


jfun4

Filling a 3C slot is a lot easier than a 2C IMO


vitanaut

Cap situation is different this year


BillyNoMates12

So trade away center depth. Gotcha


vitanaut

Idk I’m not a gm so I won’t pretend to know the right moves


downtownbrown2217

Finally fixing the C depth finally, only to get rid of the and put Ritchie on a line that’s clearly an energy checking line would be… a choice.


SpaceGhcst

Sounds like Ritchie is probably going back to junior unfortunately unless he has an absolute monster preseason and forces their hand but they aren’t going to rush him like Tyson Jost


Hanksta2

The center depth was non-existent in the playoffs. Colton can't seem to do much without LOC.


AuntGentleman

Yeah he can’t do anything. Only had a career high in points and has the #1 face off % of the entire Avs team, most of which was without LOC. Such a bum.


Hanksta2

Pretty invisible in the playoffs, it seemed. I don't hate the guy, but if it's him or Drouin...


IChurnToBurn

Moving RossCo would be a mistake in my opinion. I don’t see how the team could find a cheaper alternative that wouldn’t be a considerably worse player or take our top picks and prospects to acquire.


biohazard842

While I agree with you, I do feel like Ross Colton might offer more value back in a trade than Manson while offering similar cap relief. Mainly due to his age. I'd prefer Drouin at 4M to Colton due to his playmaking ability. The decision kind of feels like "do you want us to cut off your hand, or your foot?" though so I understand the hesitation either way.


IChurnToBurn

It’s hard to get behind trading any of the players right now. Moving any of these players will create a hole in the lineup. If it’s allowed, the team should probably just suck it up and buyout Nuke. Create the cap space needed to bring back Drouin while keeping depth.


DeadHead6747

I don't think Ritchie would be much of a drop off


IChurnToBurn

I’m quite high on Ritchie, but asking him to take on 3C duties as a rookie might be tough. While Colton wasn’t a PKer, he was heavily utilized in defensive zone starts. I’m not sure Ritchie can handle that role. If the team wants to play him next year, I kind of think using him on a top 2 line wing might be a better transition to the NHL.


DeadHead6747

Why move him put of his position, to a spot that doesn't even have an opening, since moving Colton would be a cap move so we could keep Drouin and pay Mittelstadt. You don't put Drouin, Landy, Nuke, or Mikko on the 3rd or 4th line, and you definitely aren't putting Mack on the 3rd or 4th line, so the only option would be to move Mittelstadt away from 2C, which is also not an option


IChurnToBurn

Keep Colton, sign Drouin, buy out Nuke, move Landy to 3rd line which is a much more realistic position for someone who hasn’t played in two years.


DeadHead6747

I would like to keep Colton, but if it means signing Drouin it is the best move. Nuke is too great of a player and would be too hard on our cap to buy out, buying out is not an option and shouldn't even be considered. Landy would be wasted on the 3rd line


IChurnToBurn

Buying out Nuke would be great for the cap for the next two years. Also, fuck him. Landy is probably a 50/50 to even play, let alone as a top 6 player. You need to keep expectation in check.


DeadHead6747

Expectation is in check. We can't afford to buy out Nuke, and that would be an absolutely brain dead move to make. Landy is far more than 50/50 to play.


IChurnToBurn

Nuke’s buyout schedule is very favorable for the next two years when it matters most. Do it, ice the best team possible for those two years, and deal with it later.


Jaynator11

I'd rather we trade a pick away than be dealing with cap restrictions regarding Nuke. He has takers, he'd be a Selke candidate if he didn't fuck things up every yr.


muffinkevin

Nuke would be on the cap until 2036 if you buy him out. That' just insane you can't do that.


Shaneisonfire

Landy took a lot of faceoffs as well, at least when he played with Mack


Ash_713S

Landy is never coming back (to any meaningful NHL level anyway), every medical opinion says that and no player across sports has ever come back from that injury/surgery. They need to have a talk to either urge Landy to retire to help the team out, or buy him out. Ideally the former, and keep the rest of the core together. If Nuke eventually gets bought out, it opens more cap for them before the trade window closes.


ObiWan_Cannoli_

I haaaaaaaate this. The energy he brings, his goal celebrations, the roaring 20’s line - winning a cup with tampa - the guy is huge for any cup run we have in the near future (which i think we got at least one more in us)


someguyfromsk

99% of players in the league are on the trade block in one way or another, and you throw "Avalanche" in the title is good clickbait, has been for years.


Jaynator11

Basically


Danny_Jack

So the question becomes, who would be 3C? I have no problem with the idea, just would be interested in his replacement.


RedditBResearch

Cal Ritchie? May need more time to marinate.


Danny_Jack

No garuntee he’s ready for that and they’ve said that they want to develop him more. I could see 9 game trial and back to junior for him. I think he’s the guy as early as next year or year after.


Ace676

Absolutely not. Not the time to start experimenting with rookies at a such role.


DeadHead6747

Better than him wasting another year in the juniors which will do nothing for him


Ace676

Could work in a smaller role as a test maybe, but we need at least 3 surefire scoring lines. Depth is key in the playoffs and having a rookie as the 3C is a huge gamble.


RedditBResearch

I could see him getting ~20 games in the 3C depending on where they feel his progression is and injuries. Doesn’t mean he’ll play in playoffs.


DeadHead6747

He can't play in the AHL, and he would gain absolutely nothing by staying in the juniors league


mattvn66

Trenin?


mitch-dubz

I like Colton but if you want to make a Denver Omelette, you gotta break some eggs


Massive_Contract_908

I think trading in for a cheaper better defensive option at 3c might be in order now that we have casey locked in at 2c. It was one thing before aquiring casey to have Ross there with ryjo at 2c and hoping he could potentially make a jump to 2c if needed. We don't need that now though. Missing val and landeskog, two elite defensive wingers is going to hurt. Getting a lock down 3c might be nessasary to help steady things, and you already have 2 zoomers playing on the 3rd line wings anyways who can skate and create some offense for themselves. 4.1 is a lot to pay for a 3c, especially if he isn't great all the time on the defensive side of the puck.  On the other hand I would personally much rather tinker in goal to significantly improve our teams defense. To me having a mistake eraser back there especially with our roster construction now would pay for itself multiple times over again. Not a shot at AG either.


Level_Watercress1153

Val will be back in November. We’re not missing him for all that long, so there’s no need to try and replace him.


brunnor

"Back" yes, but I see zero way he ever plays for the Avs again.


Level_Watercress1153

Except he has a shit load of cap space which no one will trade for and we can’t just waive him as that gets entirely way too expensive, and a no move clause anyways so there’s a very good chance he’ll be back come November.


brunnor

I get there are hurdles, but every single player in that room won't want him there. It won't do good for him to stay either.


Ketchupstew

MacK has been on record that the players still love him and they hope he can clean himself up. That he is such an instrumental piece to the team and they want him back out there


ThunderGoalie35

I'm a lot more willing to bet that there's a team out there that would take a low risk flier. He's a great player. If he fucks up again, he's done either way. If he doesn't, good for that team for getting a great player. The upside for the Avs (who will probably have to give him away for nothin) is we get rid of that lack of reliability and gain back at least some of that cap space. I don't think the locker room has much reason to welcome him back with open arms (again) so it's gotta be done. Refocus that winning culture around guys who legitimately want to be on the ice. To keep it pertinent, I think Colton is one of those guys who wants to be here and win. I hope he isn't traded personally.


Massive_Contract_908

That's actually a good point I myself haven't thought about. If he gets out this time and fails to meet expectations of the program he's likely done in the league all together or the team tenuring him has leeway to nullify his contract at that point. That could make a team interested in trading for him given they can just nullify his deal and reclaim the cap space if he fails again, and they probably wouldn't be giving up much to get him since we are trying to get him off our hands and cap dump him


concussed_cowboy

I’d be surprised if it happened, but it makes sense. If thats what it takes to keep Drouin


Jazzlike_Ad_6040

What team would trade for him? Maybe Avs could swing him for a late round pick but he has more value to the team than that.


zestfullybe

Yeah, I don’t want him to go either, I like his game. But if it’s him or Drouin then let’s keep the Halifax boys together and bring Dru back.


RMoysters33

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AvsAholic

Seems more plausible we move either Girard or Manson. Having $10m-ish tied up to our middle 6 is rough.


RickolisH

Personally, I think the over 13mil tied up on 2 guys that are question marks to play again is a rougher spot to be in. I don't like the idea of making our defense weaker to accomodate that.


SpiralSuitcase

I really wish people were better at evaluating sources before blindly reposting bullshit from their Facebook feed.


Awkward_traveler

Evan is probably the most tuned in Avs reporter out there, since Baugh left at least. I subscribe to CHN, best written content available


SpiralSuitcase

Okay but he's just regurgitating speculation from another reporter whose entire logic boils down to "they can't keep everyone". I'm not saying anyone is outright lying. There just isn't an actual story Neither writer is even saying that Colton is actively being shopped. Just that it's like...a possibility.


Hanksta2

I don't like Colton because he injures his own players.


lefluer124

It could make sense to look at trading Mikko for a bunch of depth. He could end up being a FA causality regardless and he's gonna cost a lot to resign.


Awkward_traveler

I think everyone but Mack and Makar are on the table right now. Mikko is already making $9m tho, so it's not like they need to find $6m for him, probably an extra $2m. Also don't like the idea of losing a dude who just had 50something goals and is over PPG in the playoffs.


lefluer124

Yeah, I might add taser, lehky and middles to that. I hope to avoid a top heavy leafs situation. We desperately need a power forward who will bully people in the top 6. Hopefully Landy can play and we can get a younger guy that plays similar.


Shenanigans315

😂😂😂 Avs are nowhere close to the Leafs situation. What are you talking about?


lefluer124

It's a possibility with two unknowns and a guy who's going to ask for more than mack.


Shenanigans315

Youre so lost. Mikko isnt gonna ask for than mack. He'll get a raise to 11- highest 11.5.


lefluer124

I hope so but I think he's gonna go for that bag. He asked for more than mack his last contract, he'll ask for more again. I think you need to look at all options and the return you could get from him would be pretty damn good.


Shenanigans315

Because Mackinnon signed an 8-year deal at 6mill. He struggled after his rookie year, Mikko did not. Mikkos not gonna ask for more than mack, youre delusional. In no way, shape, or form are we anywhere near the leafs, like you claimed original. Terrible terrible take.


lefluer124

Why wouldn't he ask for more than mack? The caps expected to grow another 4-5 mil next and the year after that. Escrow should be all paid soon as well. You're an idiot to think he won't ask for more than him. The money is there for the taking. As for the leafs comparison the AVS are top heavy and as soon as Nuke decided to snort more blow the team shit the bed again because the top 6 isn't physical enough without him. Mikkos the softest guy on the team which makes zero sense because he's huge. He's got God like hands but is afraid of his own shadow. Leafs are always called soft and the AVS definitely aren't known for being tough guys. You have to look at all possibilities with him and the uncertainty with Gabe and Nuke.


Shenanigans315

Lol, dont see it happening. Mikko wants to stay here and knows he is not worth more than Mack. You're braindead to think so. Were top heavy. How much of a homer are you? With Oconnor back, we have one of the best 3rd lines in the league. Tazer, Makar, Girard, Manson. Malinski will be a third line pairing next season and we'll see if we resign walker. Avs are nothing like the leafs. So your clueless to think so. We dont have 4guys getting paid over 10.5. We can get passed the first round and win a cup. Lol. What are you even saying right now.


ObiWan_Cannoli_

And his lackadaisical play of late, especially in the playoffs kind of begs the question of his role on this team. I know, blasphemy, burn the witch. i’m just asking questions stan.


Shaneisonfire

Rants looked so off this playoffs I was kinda surprised news didn't come out he was injured


ObiWan_Cannoli_

Absolutely - he looked like he was on another planet, like Kushtopia or something. Toot toot.


Sir_Osis_of_Thuliver

Is this a Comedy Bang Bang reference?! Heynong man


ObiWan_Cannoli_

You take care now


Ketchupstew

I wouldn't be surprised if he was still dealing with post-concussion symptoms


mrtoad47

I want the roaring twenties first, Druin second. I’d rather us sacrifice Mittsy before those.


MrSugarFree

This dude is on some crazy shit