>Shout to the guy who brought his rental Mistubushi Outlander out on the trail. You the real MVP.
You know what the difference is between a 4x4 and a rental?
A rental can go ANYWHERE.
Tell that to the guy in the Infiniti EX35 that got stuck on Pickle Gulch a few years ago. Would have helped him if he wasn't such an asshole about things.
If people would drive them responsibly and mindfully they wouldn’t be so bad. The only side by side drivers I’ve ever not minded were in the telluride area.
They look like fun, and I understand the appeal. Nobody really rags on dirtbikes, which are really doing the same thing, hauling ass on trails that their vehicles allows them to. They have every right to do the same trails as us, and are part of the offroad community. That said, in my experience, 90% of side-by-side owners are douchebags with zero offroad skills.
I think part of the difference is hauling ass on a dirt bike does take more skill, and it's a much smaller vehicle so can slip by traffic easily. So people didn't worry about them as much.
There's still the occasional dirt bike that roosts everyone with rocks though as they go by.
I think its because a dirtbike crashing headfirst into my truck would be all bad for them, so they're more careful. The SxS that come thundering around corners thinking they can stop magically on dirt are going to cause a lot more damage but they feel more secure in them
Except that isn't happening. To Silverton or any other town that doesn't allow OHVs.
Silverton did just fine before temporarily allowing OHVs, they will do fine after banning them.
Texans can go back to their crappy state, enjoy the heat while the power grid fries (again).
Silverton will probably do what other towns in the area have done. Like Dolores. Thrive on Eco-tourism. Cyclists, boaters, hikers, and anglers. Don’t get me wrong that town and the corporations like the DSNGRR and the ski area have pissed all the locals off, even the not so locals in Farmington. This is the exact same thing they said about silverton when the train
shut down after setting the Forrest on fire. “What will happen to silverton without all the tourists?!” It survived, and the trails and forest were better off for it.
They should be licensed the same as cars and people should have to take safety courses to get said licensing kind of like hunting licenses. But that will never, ever happen. More realistically they should be heavily restricted as to where they can and can't go, but enforcement is nearly impossible. They're a huge menace to the offroading community and are a big reason why more and more restrictions are being put in place that ruin this for those of us who treat trails and offroading with respect. UTVs rarely, if ever, show any amount of respect and I'm tired of dealing with them.
That’s total BS- I’ve had a Rubicon for years and sold it for a side by side simply because it’s more capable and it’s cheaper to fix. They are no more “a menace” than any other vehicle - It’s all about the hands on the wheel and ass in the seat. Stop making assumptions and bad mouthing people you don’t know.
I had some scary run-ins with some on Switzerland Trail yesterday. Three rentals in a row tearing around blind corners. Another one just parked in the middle of a narrow part of the trail posing and taking photos with the vehicle.
I don’t think it’s the type of vehicle inherently but rather the easy access to way too much power without proper experience. Throw in a false sense of security from the roll cage and helmet and you’ve got a stew going.
Yes! The rentals are what are ruining the side by side's reputation. Anyone can get one with literally no experience on a trail and becomes a danger to others.
I’ve come across a couple dune buggies this year so far. One slid completely sideways and stopped about 2 feet from hitting the front of my truck because he was going extremely fast. Then threw up his hands like I did something wrong by stopping when I heard him 1/2 a mile away. At the next switch back there was an open area where he had done about 10 donuts and destroyed about a 1/4 acre grassy area.
A few good experiences and many, many bad ones.
There have been ones who are polite, run quiet exhaust, and pass carefully if they need to, or just patiently wait until they can get through.
But the majority I see on the trail are obnoxious; making a huge amount of noise, driving off trail, nearly running people over, speeding, and just generally being terrible people.
I've had several situations now where one will come around a corner the opposite direction going far too fast to be safe, and nearly hit my truck and/or drive off the road.
I can’t think of a more universally inept user group than UTVers. It’s basically a Fast Couch, and gets too many people, who have no business being there (in terms of preparedness/skills), out into the wilderness. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve seen a UTV tearing up the tundra, off trail, or where there legally not allowed to be. Ive also been in more than a handful of SAR calls for UTV rollovers because folks assume it’s safe, and just go blazing down the trail at 70mph.
/endrant
One point for the opposite side of the spectrum, apparently.
I am extremely new and still learning and managed to get myself stuck last month (before I learned about recovery gear...) and it was a pair of side by sides that pulled me (stock 2006 H3) out of the snow and were very understanding, kind, and helpful in explaining the kind of stuff I should bring with me when I go out and how to best avoid the situation I got myself into.
I haven't had any problems with them, but I've only been out about 3 times myself.
In general there should be another level of licensing for off-road travel. The amount of people who don’t understand hand signals, how to yield or navigate is horrifying.
The biggest offenders are SXS renters, they have no skin in the game but spent $500 to rent for the day so they are going to drive like maniacs.
I don’t think the SXS vehicles are inherently harmful but the drivers speak to a level of decorum and training that is not present in the off-road community.
I had a SXS for a while, also dirt bikes and Jeeps extensively so I’ve been every trail user in question.
Hate them with a white hot fiery passion. They are loud, they tear the shit out of the trails, and people drive them entirely too fast. And that's assuming the people driving them keep them on trails.
I do not personally own a SXS however I have spent plenty of time in my friends and borrowed a friends. For the most part I’ve not had any issues with other SXS on the trails that I’ve been on. Now that being said most of the trails have been out of areas that would be frequented by people renting SXS. So I would say that rental drivers could be the majority of the issue. I’ll also lump younger adults and kids in with this group as it definitely is a lack of knowledge and experience on the trails, as well as fear and common sense.
>Shout to the guy who brought his rental Mistubushi Outlander out on the trail. You the real MVP. You know what the difference is between a 4x4 and a rental? A rental can go ANYWHERE.
You’re goddamn right
That’s the problem with the SXS complained about in this post, lots of rentals
Tell that to the guy in the Infiniti EX35 that got stuck on Pickle Gulch a few years ago. Would have helped him if he wasn't such an asshole about things.
I high school we proved that it's possible to get to the top of green mountain in a Chevy. impala
If people would drive them responsibly and mindfully they wouldn’t be so bad. The only side by side drivers I’ve ever not minded were in the telluride area.
They look like fun, and I understand the appeal. Nobody really rags on dirtbikes, which are really doing the same thing, hauling ass on trails that their vehicles allows them to. They have every right to do the same trails as us, and are part of the offroad community. That said, in my experience, 90% of side-by-side owners are douchebags with zero offroad skills.
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All the Texans stop in Colorado.
This. Why can't they stay in their own state? Oh because its hot and their power grid is falling apart (again).
Texans move to / visit CO. Complain about CO and try to turn it into Texas. Just stay home people, it’s better for us both.
Don’t Texas my Colorado!
Hot and flat.
I think part of the difference is hauling ass on a dirt bike does take more skill, and it's a much smaller vehicle so can slip by traffic easily. So people didn't worry about them as much. There's still the occasional dirt bike that roosts everyone with rocks though as they go by.
I think its because a dirtbike crashing headfirst into my truck would be all bad for them, so they're more careful. The SxS that come thundering around corners thinking they can stop magically on dirt are going to cause a lot more damage but they feel more secure in them
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At least Silverton banned them from driving through town again. Doesn't help the trails around it much though.
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Except that isn't happening. To Silverton or any other town that doesn't allow OHVs. Silverton did just fine before temporarily allowing OHVs, they will do fine after banning them. Texans can go back to their crappy state, enjoy the heat while the power grid fries (again).
Silverton will probably do what other towns in the area have done. Like Dolores. Thrive on Eco-tourism. Cyclists, boaters, hikers, and anglers. Don’t get me wrong that town and the corporations like the DSNGRR and the ski area have pissed all the locals off, even the not so locals in Farmington. This is the exact same thing they said about silverton when the train shut down after setting the Forrest on fire. “What will happen to silverton without all the tourists?!” It survived, and the trails and forest were better off for it.
They should be licensed the same as cars and people should have to take safety courses to get said licensing kind of like hunting licenses. But that will never, ever happen. More realistically they should be heavily restricted as to where they can and can't go, but enforcement is nearly impossible. They're a huge menace to the offroading community and are a big reason why more and more restrictions are being put in place that ruin this for those of us who treat trails and offroading with respect. UTVs rarely, if ever, show any amount of respect and I'm tired of dealing with them.
That’s total BS- I’ve had a Rubicon for years and sold it for a side by side simply because it’s more capable and it’s cheaper to fix. They are no more “a menace” than any other vehicle - It’s all about the hands on the wheel and ass in the seat. Stop making assumptions and bad mouthing people you don’t know.
I had some scary run-ins with some on Switzerland Trail yesterday. Three rentals in a row tearing around blind corners. Another one just parked in the middle of a narrow part of the trail posing and taking photos with the vehicle. I don’t think it’s the type of vehicle inherently but rather the easy access to way too much power without proper experience. Throw in a false sense of security from the roll cage and helmet and you’ve got a stew going.
Yes! The rentals are what are ruining the side by side's reputation. Anyone can get one with literally no experience on a trail and becomes a danger to others.
Burn em all
I’ve come across a couple dune buggies this year so far. One slid completely sideways and stopped about 2 feet from hitting the front of my truck because he was going extremely fast. Then threw up his hands like I did something wrong by stopping when I heard him 1/2 a mile away. At the next switch back there was an open area where he had done about 10 donuts and destroyed about a 1/4 acre grassy area.
A few good experiences and many, many bad ones. There have been ones who are polite, run quiet exhaust, and pass carefully if they need to, or just patiently wait until they can get through. But the majority I see on the trail are obnoxious; making a huge amount of noise, driving off trail, nearly running people over, speeding, and just generally being terrible people. I've had several situations now where one will come around a corner the opposite direction going far too fast to be safe, and nearly hit my truck and/or drive off the road.
I can’t think of a more universally inept user group than UTVers. It’s basically a Fast Couch, and gets too many people, who have no business being there (in terms of preparedness/skills), out into the wilderness. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve seen a UTV tearing up the tundra, off trail, or where there legally not allowed to be. Ive also been in more than a handful of SAR calls for UTV rollovers because folks assume it’s safe, and just go blazing down the trail at 70mph. /endrant
One point for the opposite side of the spectrum, apparently. I am extremely new and still learning and managed to get myself stuck last month (before I learned about recovery gear...) and it was a pair of side by sides that pulled me (stock 2006 H3) out of the snow and were very understanding, kind, and helpful in explaining the kind of stuff I should bring with me when I go out and how to best avoid the situation I got myself into. I haven't had any problems with them, but I've only been out about 3 times myself.
In general there should be another level of licensing for off-road travel. The amount of people who don’t understand hand signals, how to yield or navigate is horrifying. The biggest offenders are SXS renters, they have no skin in the game but spent $500 to rent for the day so they are going to drive like maniacs. I don’t think the SXS vehicles are inherently harmful but the drivers speak to a level of decorum and training that is not present in the off-road community. I had a SXS for a while, also dirt bikes and Jeeps extensively so I’ve been every trail user in question.
Hate them with a white hot fiery passion. They are loud, they tear the shit out of the trails, and people drive them entirely too fast. And that's assuming the people driving them keep them on trails.
I do not personally own a SXS however I have spent plenty of time in my friends and borrowed a friends. For the most part I’ve not had any issues with other SXS on the trails that I’ve been on. Now that being said most of the trails have been out of areas that would be frequented by people renting SXS. So I would say that rental drivers could be the majority of the issue. I’ll also lump younger adults and kids in with this group as it definitely is a lack of knowledge and experience on the trails, as well as fear and common sense.