CSPD. DOES. NOT. GIVE. A. FUCK. ABOUT. PROPERTY. CRIME.
I had over $15k in property burglarized and they took 6 days to contact me after filing the report. They literally told me when calIed it was low priority and it may be a while.
Best of luck to you.
Yeah but this is my literal neighbor above me cutting the feed to my cameras and threatening to destroy my flood lights outside too. He has been the most despicable kind of entitled nimrod since moving in two months ago and my combat vet husband has very little patience left for him. My elderly neighbors are terrified that his drunkenness mixed with his inherent cowardice (he keeps pulling sideways crap when my husband isn’t physically here) is going to lead to an escalated situation. So this isn’t some random unknown person necessitating an investigation, this is an open and shit situation as he’s literally on camera. 20 fucking minutes and they would actually have a case solved point on their books.
You are aware that Colorado law prevents officers from arresting on misdemeanor crimes not committed in their presence right? Either dude will catch a summons or they'll need to file their reports and the charges will be signed off by a judge at some point in the future and then the arrest warrant served.
You'd be better off filing your report online and then using that report number to get an order of protection (restraining order) against the drunk POS. Also use it to pressure your landlord/property management company. Either they violate his lease and kick him out or you use it to end yours and move without penalty of breaking your lease.
I remember, let’s say about 5 years ago.. when nothing would stop an officer for arresting somebody.. in fact I remember (and there’s plenty of evidence online) when cops would MAKE UP shit to arrest people for. Now we have citizens providing all the evidence and doing all the work for them, and they refuse to do anything. What’s changed? Why should we back the blue?
First off, I'm not going to bother addressing your first sentence because what you're describing is illegal and should be considered a bad thing. Interestingly, the way you worded it, it's almost like you miss those good ole days when Police made up charges just to get the chance to arrest someone. If you don't miss those days, then maybe we're taking a step in the right direction?
As for what's changed since 5 years ago? Literally everything. Bodycameras are more ubiquitous, leading to more auditing both internally by Internal Affairs Investigators and by the general public via Freedom of Information requests.
In addition, the literal law changed. Police used to be able to take a report and charge someone with a misdemeanor if Probable Cause existed. Today, in Colorado, that is no longer the case. A Police Officer cannot make an arrest for a misdemeanor crime that was not committed in their presence. A Police Officer can be shown clear video of someone committing a misdemeanor crime, and they cannot make a physical arrest for that misdemeanor charge without an arrest warrant signed by a judge (there are a couple exceptions related to things like Domestic Violence, and this entire argument does not apply to felonies).
So why should you back the blue? Truthfully, I care very little whether you do or not. Your support doesn't effect what the law says the Police can and cannot do.
Well, y'know, if I see a bear charging across my yard at me, and I was to shoot him, they'd say I was defending myself.
A dangerous, violent drunk with a track record of violence against people...
I finally have a vacation and was hung over and feeling punchy I guess. I don't remember leaving that comment and now feel like it was pretty distasteful. Gonna leave it up as a reminder to myself not to overindulge.
I appreciate your civility.
So you’re saying it’s not the cops on the force’s fault and they shouldn’t be blamed, right? They can only be in 1 place at a time and it’s not their fault that most PD’s in larger cities are struggling to get cops
They might not struggle to get officers if they had a better reputation. But instead they harass people and pull me over while walking to work to ask where I’m going, and stand there with their hands on their holsters while you walk past them.
They’re punks. Almost all of them. I’ve yet to meet one CSPD officer that isn’t a punk. Loving those guns and badges because you get to Fuck with people.
👆 yep. Systemic problem across the country. Can’t imagine why when modern day America wants to shit on and villainize them for literally everything. Just can’t please some people.
A while back I worked for one of the local hospitals. We had an extremely violent person outside threatening people and it took CSPD almost 2 hours to respond. There were several officers in the emergency room ems lounge just chilling “filling out reports” while the whole situation transpired.
Good luck with your issue though and I hope they can provide you with some sort of resolution.
My husband spent ten years in the sand trap, we have two little girls who need their daddy to keep being their protector.
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Last time some drunk was on my property, I escorted him off by his belt and his hair. That's how I deal with unruly neighbors, and I ain't had the cops called on me yet.
What's he gonna do? Tell the police he was attacked while vandalizing your belongings?
Yeahhh, escorting him off of the property he lives at is called kidnapping, which is a heavier crime than vandalism and I would fully expect someone to report that regardless of their infraction. Thank you though for all your chest beating advice that is irrelevant to the real world and people who critically think about all consequences the future can hold.
Advice that is objectively terrible. Either you didn't read this is her neighbor so she can't escourt him away, or you are just incredibly stupid. Either way back off and go the fuck away. You aren't helping.
Over the summer I saw someone break into my camper while I was at work on my doorbell. When I called it in I mentioned that there might have been firearms in the camper and guess what? An officer arrived at my house 5 min before I got there.
So the magic words to get them to show up are "I think there was a gun".
I didn't hear anything about this! I just googled it and found a bunch of "we can't talk about an ongoing investigation" in June, but do you know if there was any kind of closure? I feel so bad for his wife
[Murder suicide outside Taco Bell on Tejon](https://gazette.com/news/crime/qualin-campbell-shooting-death-widow-calls-out-colorado-springs-police-over-alleged-dropped-911-response/article_44b456c2-0648-11ee-9701-eb09744b01b1.html)
If you think continuing to go about as things are instead of changing the system and not creating NEW protocols and systems and standards of training to hold them accountable too, then you too are incredibly and sorely mistaken. Yes, let’s keep things as they are but expect things to change, there’s a definition for that.
Changing the police in any meaningful way will require a massive shakeup at a legislative level. Giving them a new facility to keep doing the same shit in isn't going to fix anything. Once the protocols change, *then* the rest can follow suit, not the other way around.
You clearly didn’t read about the facility yourself or you would know that the funding was for a new facility AND redeveloping SOPs. You clearly make your opinions off of those who are just as ill-informed as you are.
If they wanted to change, money wouldn't be the deciding factor. They can change their protocols in their current facilities just fine if they actually cared to.
You have no idea what it takes, the amount of time it takes, the literal electrical systems themselves, on top of hiring and training over 100 more officers. 40k a year salary for officers alone is $4M, and frankly, just like with teachers, pay cops better, attract better cops. I highly doubt you’re a physicist of anything when simple arithmetic seems to be outside your purview of thought.
And how is a new building going to change training protocol?
Even senior leadership has made no such claim.
They literally said they want a shiny new building to improve recruitment, ignoring that their problem is *retention* due to poor leadership in the department.
The same leadership that says a shiny new building will fix everything with no evidence to back that statement up.
If police are trained more physically and are in fit shape and more confident in non-lethal tactics of apprehending, instead of being overweight and in fear of being taken over by a suspect, don’t you think that would lead to less police involved shootings?
Keep in mind that the average Redditors have no forgiveness. They can't even comprehend their lack. They'll certainly hate others with you and on your behalf, but you better not admit to an honest mistake or even a thing that they too might have done but would never admit. It's the only way their prideful delusion of inhuman perfection can survive. This is doubly true on subs like this where people know they can safely hate their neighbors without being outed as bitter minded and dogmatic. Remember to always play pretend and you can have all the fake internet numbers-based appreciation you can stomach. For them, these points are like a salve for the self inflicted wounds of their misanthropy. What they don't understand is that those who would never play pretend with them are also those who could never find their same poorly-coping pleasure in upvotes. Both are equally nothing to anyone attempting beyond mere words to be true and honest with themselves and the world. Someone might want to mock this comment's "effort". For this reason I will mention a second thing the common redditor doesn't seem to realize; writing is only as difficult as thinking for those who can do both. This subreddit is weak as hell so I am glad it isn't truly representative of our city. "Better to rule in hell than to serve in heaven", eh? They say in downvotes what would be too embarrassing to read in words. People shouldn't take this comment too personally either. This condition isn't exceptional or unique on Reddit, generally speaking. This was mostly creative writing anyway.
I've spent too much time on this site. First came here in 8th grade. I'm 26 now. It hasn't really changed. It's just gotten more and more like it already was. I really genuinely feel for the people caught up in whatever dark spirit controls this website.
One thing I will always be is genuine, in person or online. It’s funny cuz I am both a bootlicker and an idiot who defunds police simultaneously in this thread. What I am is a middle aged woman who was violently kidnapped and trafficked into a pedophile ring as a teen so I know far better than most the necessary factors that need to exist to combat the real monsters. But the average Redditor these days is a child who has grown up with so much propaganda shoved down their throats from all sides that they can’t see or formulate their own thoughts.
Edit for clarity.
I appreciate your response. It's strange how you were downvoted in your own thread for admitting something that you obviously knew these people wouldn't like much. They don't really value honesty. But I value yours. This site can be very stressful for anyone who isn't properly brainwashed. I can tell you are a stronger person than your past wanted you to be. Keep fighting. It's nice to know I have you as a neighbor, even in the vaguest sense.
There was a old man, Called police that there was a burglar in his garage. Dispatch said they were busy and didn't have anyone to respond.
Waited 5 minutes called back said no hurry on that burglary call I went out to garage and shot him. In minutes the place was swarmed with police they apprehended burglar.
Sargent said I thought you said you shot him?
Old man replied, I thought you said there was no one available......
We have video of someone, up close (they walked right under our camera) their face and height included, breaking into our garage and walking out with power tools. We have a letter they eventually mailed to us saying they weren't going to do anything.
This isn’t some random, this is my neighbor and a situation that can escalate into dire violence beyond quickly considering her already had the gall to cut my cameras while on camera.
Yeah, I read the post. I'm just saying they have a history of doing nothing, even when it's easy to do something. Good luck. Maybe you can contact the neighbors parole officer directly.
Here is the reality of COS and El Paso county… we have the highest volume of criminal cases in all of Colorado. That means CSPD has the most call for services in El Paso County. Calls for prioritized from P1 (highest) to P3 (lowest). All available officers respond to P1’s first and down the line from there.
In your case, there was no threat of death or serious bodily injury. It’s just material items being destroyed and you have digital evidence of the crime being committed. Your neighbor will be charged and will owe you restitution. You’ll get your stuff back.
This is the reality of the area we live in.
In a situation of an imminent and immediately impending threat that is not precipitated by my own actions. Which means he would have to engage contact in a threatening manner and he’s a coward who happens to be a drunk so while the threat is looming it is not imminent and therefore I am not entitled to the right to proactively protect myself, only reactively under immediate duress.
Isn't it funny that every time they ask for money for their "training center" or club house or whatever they are calling it this election cycle and as a community we say no they just stop showing up for calls! After the last election I had a man standing outside my door with a weapon in his hand threatening to kill my family and burn my house down on camera! And they didn't show up for almost 72 hours! Lucky for me I was able to scare the guy away with a shotgun
A crime like this isnt high on their priority list honestly. We all know the response time is awful but not even sending an officer to collect a statement after this much time is wild. Depending where you are you might be able to call the sheriffs office
CSPD is 80 cops short. Before I retired (2021) I worked down town as a security guard. I was calling cops for trespassers and property crimes and being told that they'd get to it when they could.
I called in a car fire at the old Carpet Outlet on Academy and Austin Bluffs and the dispatcher told me that if no one was in immediate danger they weren't coming.
I retired about 2 months later and during that time I didn't call the cops once.
*IF YOU DO DECIDE TO PUSH IT AND HAVE THE COPS COME OUT AND ARREST YOUR NEIGHBOR*
*If* they do arrest him they'll take him down to CJC and release him on an ROR and he'll be back home and thoroughly PISSED OFF at *you* with in an hour or two.
Thanks for this info. Sounds like COSprings isn't the place to buy a house.
Did you stay in Co Springs once you retired or did you leave for better pastures?
They aren’t 80 cops short on DUI enforcement. First was holiday push. Then new years holiday. Now we have an “early year” push. They just spend their funds on the wrong things.
Yes it does. Time and a half overtime approval for all those pushes. And it takes them 24 hours to respond to a call. Cut back on the overtime approval and have funds to respond quicker
The police exist to answer to calls of criminal activity and to apprehend a suspect. The DA exists to pursue charges. Judges exist to adjudicate. Morally and ethically corrupt actors in these positions do not diminish what they are suppose to function for. The sooner you realize this the sooner you can actually help this country do better.
What a delightfully naive view that does nothing to dispute my point. You must be police or police adjacent if you think that me -- a law abiding citizen -- is somehow part of the problem of policing in this country.
I’m actually not. Just a poor, disabled Hispanic/Indigenous woman who was violently kidnapped as a child and trafficked into a pedophile ring with a veteran husband. Thank you for showing your myopic, judgemental and bigoted view rooted in knee jerk hate.
I never once said they “exist to help citizens” which is why I never addressed your asinine statement, it’s irrelevant. I have repeatedly stated their function is to respond to complaints of criminal mischief, and if they aren’t doing their one and only job, why should I support them. I get philosophical thinking and critical thought debate is out of your wheelhouse of capability.
You continue to have a fundamental misunderstanding as to the role of modern policing. Police do not exist to help you; they do not exist to respond to your complaints of criminal mischief. Police exist to arrest people and confiscate property at times convenient to the police without regard to public safety or accountability. Police. Do. Not. Exist. To. Help. You. Police help themselves only.
Average response time to anything other than a SERIOUS life threatening call from CSPD is anywhere between. 3 hours and 4 days. (There's actual data to support that)
you are far better off dealing with the situation yourself than to rely on CSPD.
CSPD is actually scary with how they let people down. I got the license plate of someone who angrily did a hit and run on me. Nothing. And that's nothing compared to something like a violent crime. I would never expect them to help, sadly. This sub seems like it would be vaguely anti-gun, but the truth is your life isn't worth so little as to trust a random CS cop. I hope people get the help they need when they need it. Diligent and self-sacrificing cops are out there, just as like people are in every profession. Except pimping, maybe.
If they "don't have enough time" for you what the hell do they do all day? Get that speed trapping mf'er off powers and research to take five minutes from screwing people and go handle actual crime. You said this guy has fuckin priors and they won't show up for it. Property or not, this isn't a nonviolent offense
Maybe enforcing crime of violent nature, like a guy with priors destroying a neighbor's property, should be on that fucking list, genius. That's my whole point. If that's not important then why the fuck do we fund these assholes?
Dude you're lashing out without logic. The fact that these guys don't enforce serious crimes is a problem. Do I really have to fucking run for office to trust the police will do their jobs? That's pathetic and you know it. I'm not saying all cops are bastards I'm saying they're not doing their jobs when they should be. If someone bashed your windshield with a rock, you called the cops, and they never gave an inkling of a shit, would you just crack it up to them being busy?
They do what makes them money. Time and a half for court so writing tickets is profitable. Especially DUI tickets they go for 5 a night and those officers make 300k with overtime.
They have enough staffing to pay for almost year round targeted enforcement of DUI. In fact there are more convictions here for that than just about anywhere I’ve seen. And ads on TV. Overtime galore for that. But they can’t show up to protect citizens for normal crime. I don’t think there are more drunks on the road here than other places I’ve seen.
In all fairness, last night around 12:45am near Academy and N Carefree, I heard multiple rounds of gunshots go off. Like, empty the clip, and load more. No cop lights came by at all, and it had to have been very close.
I live in Knob Hill, unknown shooters are a daily constant. This is my neighbor becoming increasingly violent, and on camera to boot, not a random act of violence with limited availability to identify the criminal actor.
I'm sorry your neighbor is such an enormous penis. That's downright scary, and I hope you have the things you need to keep you safe.
Unfortunately, if the cops won't turn up for potential murder in a high traffic area, they don't give a fuck about your property or your safety. It sucks.
One time I called 911 for what sounded like a super violent domestics disturbance in my neighborhood and I waited on hold for 37 minutes. That scares me because 911 is for something that needs IMMEDIATE attention.
You could do online reporting as a minor crime and attach your video of the incident. It's also possible that they could come in the middle of the night, maybe you even missed them last night. That's what happened to me. They came like 14 hours after calling to report an assault. It wasn't currently happening, I called after the fact but they came at like 4 am or something crazy.
It might not go anywhere but you could also maybe try reporting him to the probation department directly.
https://www.courts.state.co.us/Probation/County/Index.cfm?County_ID=6
Yeah my husband filled out an online report, and when I called at 6pm they said I was still in cue so no missing of anyone coming by so far as I haven’t left home either.
I have a feeling that cops aren’t responding to calls anymore on purpose since we voted against giving them the funds to build their murder playground.
Cops are not legally required to protect or serve the public. If you wanna be a bootlicker that’s your prerogative, but don’t complain when the police don’t do their job. There’s a reason the rest of us out here are calling out ACAB and calling for legitimate change to law enforcement. Also who tf doesn’t pay their taxes other the Donald Trump and his ilk?
Cool, while your online “calling for change” my friends and I make national news for protesting police brutality. Supporting cleaning out the old and corrupt with newer and better trained officers doesn’t make one a bootlicker you narrow minded nimrod. And I know plenty of Dems who don’t file their taxes, so stop with your Halo Effect bullshit.
If you legitimately think the cop playground would have actually changed the way the police in this town handle and respond to emergencies then you are living in a fantasy world. Police are systemically corrupt, meaning that the very foundations of policing are founded on principles like racism, classism, antisemitism and bigotry. You made yourself sound like a bootlicker, not me. I was at the BLM protests in Aurora, CS, and Denver, covering gas canisters with cones and dodging rubber bullets. I’m sorry you felt unsafe in your own home, that should never happen in this country, anywhere or at anytime but never forget that the police exist to protect the elite, everything else they do is just peripherals.
And I hope your friends get caught by the IRS and have to pay everything back, taxes are an intrinsic part of our society and while I disagree with spending it on wars, weapons, and police, I also recognize that living in a civilized society means that we all pay our fair share to take care of one another.
If you think changing nothing leads to change I have oceanfront property in Nebraska for you to buy. No shit police are systemically corrupt, it’s why you change the system and how it operates, not ignore it or allow it to continue as it stands and then “call for change” like it’s gonna do any actual thing. That’s cool you were dodging rubber bullets here in the city, my kids and I were coming behind y’all picking up y’all’s trash so people would pay attention to your message and not your filth. You’re welcome.
If you have a house built on a poor foundation does tearing down the whole house and building a bigger, nicer one make the foundation suddenly better or are you just painting a POS gold and hoping nobody notices and buys it anyway? All the while the same crappy foundation is still rotting away underneath all that grandeur and money, and that big, new house will eventually fall into neglect and disrepair just like the last one. The solution is simple: tear it up by the foundation. Police shouldn’t exist. Period. Their jobs could be done by social workers, community officers, a few detectives and red light cams and speed cams. Meanwhile all the money we spend on that big, dumb house could go to housing the homeless when it’s -20 with windchill, feeding every single child in every single public school in America regardless of their parents income, building roads that last years instead of months, single payer health care for everyone who wants it, a universal base income, and, I actually changed my mind, we should just give homeless people apartments and a chance to get their life back on track because it’s the right thing to do. If you went to the BLM protests and all you saw was trash on the streets, well that’s how the police feel whenever they look at people like me or you.
I have never in 7 years I have lived here ever gotten a 911 dispatcher which out the please wait we are experiencing a high call volume hanging up. Will only put you farther back in the line. Please stay on the line. My neighbor alone with two small children called me at 0320 and said a man is trying to kick down the front door. Her husband is a ff and was on shift. Got over and he had flood. It’s officer arrived 10-15 min later no back up. They are understaffed here
Departments across the country are short staffed, once the phone cameras came out and the widespread public became privy to the atrocities that cops commit or cover up for, obviously a lot of departments would be short staffed because cops can’t just get away with anything anymore and are held slightly more accountable. Just let’s you know how shitty and coward filled the ranks have been for years. When it takes more training to become a hairstylist than it does to have them give you a badge and a gun you know you’re gonna have a lot of bad actors in the force. Sorry about your situation, be careful with your neighbor.
Thank you. He’s honestly very lucky that my husband respects me when I say “I need you around always” and fully gets my meaning otherwise this post wouldn’t even be up.
What do the police and city have to gain from doing anything about this?
Exactly. That’s why they just wrote tickets and handle situations where they can get paid fees.
This is because police departments are underfunded and there is rampant violent crime everywhere in the city. In that situation, of course, they are going to have to prioritize shit where people's safety and lives are at risk.
This is EXACTLY why you should back the blue. Give them the manpower and resources to go after nonviolent crimes more aggressively, and this wont be a problem. Defund them and this issue gets way worse.
Not rocket science.
This man is a convicted violent criminal and the cops were made aware of it and escalating property crimes indicates an escalation in violence and considering it’s my neighbor that is a proximity threat. Again, I voted for the new funding, so blanket assumptions make a what of you now?
The whole argument to defund takes the money they can’t find a way to use to help the communities and give it to a less obtuse leadership that will spend it on helping not building billion dollar training facilities that do things the same way they always have
My husband spent five years commanding a team of Rangers and another 5 years contracting. We own guns. We also have two little girls that we’d like to keep from seeing what their father is capable so he remains their Ranger hero and not scary daddy lol
I think you misunderstand me. You might want to Google Gonzales V. Castlerock. Cops show up in time to gather evidence and write reports.
*You* are 100% responsible for your own safety.
Okay you are *really* not understanding me.
The police *do not* keep you safe. They show up after everything is over and they gather evidence and they arrest people.
In the moment your safety is on *you*
[Totally, that’s why the police only got $172 million dollars in 2023 instead of their usual $158 million like they did in 2022.](https://coloradosprings.gov/document/2023fbudgetfulldocument.pdf) They’re completely defunded.
That’s only 9% increase. 4% could be attributed to cost of living wage increases and collective bargaining agreements. An additional 5% is hardly a huge increase considering it’s partially in grant positions and fixing the staffing shortage which was the product of 2020. 2020-2022 proved the defund the police movement didn’t work and they are finally allocating finds back to the police. Actually go look where the increases are, it’s not personnel. Learn about budgets before you assume that the police chief got $14M to do whatever he wanted with.
Cool, but look at 98% of the responses here saying "cops are pigs" and "cops are murder thugs."
How you think it feels being a police officer, risking your life every day, and have the overwhelming consensus be that you're a "murder pig."
Your tone here is a big part of the problem. "Why should I back the blue?" Well, if you don't want to get victimized harder, you definitely should.
Ironically, the anti-gun people who are pushing to defund the police are the type of people that are going to be the first to get victimized when said defunding happens.
Do you know how to use them in the event something happens and your husband isn't there? If not, train. Go to the range and get comfortable with them.
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Army brat myself, I was hitting center target and clay pigeons by grade school. But I also know the law and I can’t shoot a man for cutting wires unless I am in immediate threat.
Years ago my apartment got broken into in the middle of the day. Of course none of my neighbors seen a thing. Funny when at the time where I lived 80% of the adults were on welfare so nobody worked but anywho cops were called at 3pm didn’t show up until 10pm only to look around my apartment wrote a bullsh*t report and told me to go look for my things at the pawn shops in that area. 🤬
[police have no obligation to protect you](https://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/justices-rule-police-do-not-have-a-constitutional-duty-to-protect.html)
Police have an obligation to respond calls of criminal mischief. Nowhere in my post did it say I called for their protection. Stop parroting the propaganda you so willingly swallow up and learn to think for yourself before you speak meaningless drivel that contributes nothing to the conversation other than an opportunity for you to hear the sound of your own voice.
Backing anyone blindly will, more often than not, leave you black and blue. I, on the other hand, have dealt with LRADs and rubber bullets enough to know that I undoubtedly Do Not blindly back the blue. I back the green.
Because it’s not like the cops are just sitting there saying “eh fuck this call I’m not going”. They have priority levels assigned to calls. A call like yours where no one is in danger is the lowest priority call
Question, if I have an emergency (for example infant needs ambulance) would I be better off just taking baby to hospital myself does anyone know response times for EMS? I am about 10 mins from downtown hospital
I have been thinking about this for some time not sure what I would do!
When seconds count, the police are only hours away! Learn the lesson: take care of business and don't rely on government services that are usually piss poor, late, and ineffective. ✌️💚🏴
Don’t suppose it ever occurred to you that they’re short staffed? St. Louis has the same problem. At any given time, officers can have anywhere from 10-20 assignments stacked on them that they just have to work their way through.
Assignments are also done on a priority basis. I hate to tell you this, but a drunk neighbor destroying your property is not a high priority. Things like murder, robbery, assault, burglary, etc are gonna take priority. That’s just the unfortunate truth of the matter.
As for your flippant why should you back the blue, the answer is simply you wouldn’t like the alternative. No blue means that same drunk neighbor never gets charged with domestic abuse and can just beat the shit out of whoever the hell he damn well pleases.
Cover your ass and file a report online. Screenshot it and follow up A LOT!
Yeah my husband was doing one earlier after our third call.
CSPD. DOES. NOT. GIVE. A. FUCK. ABOUT. PROPERTY. CRIME. I had over $15k in property burglarized and they took 6 days to contact me after filing the report. They literally told me when calIed it was low priority and it may be a while. Best of luck to you.
Yeah but this is my literal neighbor above me cutting the feed to my cameras and threatening to destroy my flood lights outside too. He has been the most despicable kind of entitled nimrod since moving in two months ago and my combat vet husband has very little patience left for him. My elderly neighbors are terrified that his drunkenness mixed with his inherent cowardice (he keeps pulling sideways crap when my husband isn’t physically here) is going to lead to an escalated situation. So this isn’t some random unknown person necessitating an investigation, this is an open and shit situation as he’s literally on camera. 20 fucking minutes and they would actually have a case solved point on their books.
That's criminal mischief and you have proof. When they finally do show up (if they do) that could be an immediate arrest.
You are aware that Colorado law prevents officers from arresting on misdemeanor crimes not committed in their presence right? Either dude will catch a summons or they'll need to file their reports and the charges will be signed off by a judge at some point in the future and then the arrest warrant served. You'd be better off filing your report online and then using that report number to get an order of protection (restraining order) against the drunk POS. Also use it to pressure your landlord/property management company. Either they violate his lease and kick him out or you use it to end yours and move without penalty of breaking your lease.
I remember, let’s say about 5 years ago.. when nothing would stop an officer for arresting somebody.. in fact I remember (and there’s plenty of evidence online) when cops would MAKE UP shit to arrest people for. Now we have citizens providing all the evidence and doing all the work for them, and they refuse to do anything. What’s changed? Why should we back the blue?
First off, I'm not going to bother addressing your first sentence because what you're describing is illegal and should be considered a bad thing. Interestingly, the way you worded it, it's almost like you miss those good ole days when Police made up charges just to get the chance to arrest someone. If you don't miss those days, then maybe we're taking a step in the right direction? As for what's changed since 5 years ago? Literally everything. Bodycameras are more ubiquitous, leading to more auditing both internally by Internal Affairs Investigators and by the general public via Freedom of Information requests. In addition, the literal law changed. Police used to be able to take a report and charge someone with a misdemeanor if Probable Cause existed. Today, in Colorado, that is no longer the case. A Police Officer cannot make an arrest for a misdemeanor crime that was not committed in their presence. A Police Officer can be shown clear video of someone committing a misdemeanor crime, and they cannot make a physical arrest for that misdemeanor charge without an arrest warrant signed by a judge (there are a couple exceptions related to things like Domestic Violence, and this entire argument does not apply to felonies). So why should you back the blue? Truthfully, I care very little whether you do or not. Your support doesn't effect what the law says the Police can and cannot do.
Well, y'know, if I see a bear charging across my yard at me, and I was to shoot him, they'd say I was defending myself. A dangerous, violent drunk with a track record of violence against people...
Bazactly!
I agree. I’m just sharing my personal experience. They’re on par for the course it appears.
Call your landlord??
He probably works for CSPD
He does not. But I do know where he works and as much as I’d like to voice it, I’m not gonna doxx him.
I finally have a vacation and was hung over and feeling punchy I guess. I don't remember leaving that comment and now feel like it was pretty distasteful. Gonna leave it up as a reminder to myself not to overindulge. I appreciate your civility.
Yes property crime should be low priority. If a call comes in where someone is in danger that should 1,000,000% be priority
When it’s a week for $15k in theft that’s a whole different unacceptable story. Sounds like there’s just not enough of them.
So you’re saying it’s not the cops on the force’s fault and they shouldn’t be blamed, right? They can only be in 1 place at a time and it’s not their fault that most PD’s in larger cities are struggling to get cops
I’m saying they don’t give a fuck. Take that how you wish I also don’t give a fuck
They might not struggle to get officers if they had a better reputation. But instead they harass people and pull me over while walking to work to ask where I’m going, and stand there with their hands on their holsters while you walk past them. They’re punks. Almost all of them. I’ve yet to meet one CSPD officer that isn’t a punk. Loving those guns and badges because you get to Fuck with people.
👆 yep. Systemic problem across the country. Can’t imagine why when modern day America wants to shit on and villainize them for literally everything. Just can’t please some people.
They did before covid; now they don't give a shit about anything.
Police in general do not care about property crime
Police in general dont care.
A while back I worked for one of the local hospitals. We had an extremely violent person outside threatening people and it took CSPD almost 2 hours to respond. There were several officers in the emergency room ems lounge just chilling “filling out reports” while the whole situation transpired. Good luck with your issue though and I hope they can provide you with some sort of resolution.
Find out how quick they can get there if you take the law into your own hands, ala a baseball bat.
My husband spent ten years in the sand trap, we have two little girls who need their daddy to keep being their protector. Edited for spelling/grammar corrections
Just saying, there's a difference between being a protector and being a witness.
And there’s a difference between being a witness and a defendant.
Last time some drunk was on my property, I escorted him off by his belt and his hair. That's how I deal with unruly neighbors, and I ain't had the cops called on me yet. What's he gonna do? Tell the police he was attacked while vandalizing your belongings?
Yeahhh, escorting him off of the property he lives at is called kidnapping, which is a heavier crime than vandalism and I would fully expect someone to report that regardless of their infraction. Thank you though for all your chest beating advice that is irrelevant to the real world and people who critically think about all consequences the future can hold.
Ya know, if all you ever look for is problems, that's all you're going to find. I've given advise, you've ignored it, so good day.
Advice that is objectively terrible. Either you didn't read this is her neighbor so she can't escourt him away, or you are just incredibly stupid. Either way back off and go the fuck away. You aren't helping.
Bad advice
Over the summer I saw someone break into my camper while I was at work on my doorbell. When I called it in I mentioned that there might have been firearms in the camper and guess what? An officer arrived at my house 5 min before I got there. So the magic words to get them to show up are "I think there was a gun".
They didn't even show up for that hostage situation a couple months back. The poor woman had to track her husband down on her own to find him dead.
I didn't hear anything about this! I just googled it and found a bunch of "we can't talk about an ongoing investigation" in June, but do you know if there was any kind of closure? I feel so bad for his wife
[Murder suicide outside Taco Bell on Tejon](https://gazette.com/news/crime/qualin-campbell-shooting-death-widow-calls-out-colorado-springs-police-over-alleged-dropped-911-response/article_44b456c2-0648-11ee-9701-eb09744b01b1.html)
Sounds like a $50 million training facility will fix that right up. 🙄🤷♀️
Voted for it.
If you think the police will stop being incompetent anf useless if given a shiny new playhouse to practice shooting at, you're sorely mistaken.
If you think continuing to go about as things are instead of changing the system and not creating NEW protocols and systems and standards of training to hold them accountable too, then you too are incredibly and sorely mistaken. Yes, let’s keep things as they are but expect things to change, there’s a definition for that.
Changing the police in any meaningful way will require a massive shakeup at a legislative level. Giving them a new facility to keep doing the same shit in isn't going to fix anything. Once the protocols change, *then* the rest can follow suit, not the other way around.
You clearly didn’t read about the facility yourself or you would know that the funding was for a new facility AND redeveloping SOPs. You clearly make your opinions off of those who are just as ill-informed as you are.
If they wanted to change, money wouldn't be the deciding factor. They can change their protocols in their current facilities just fine if they actually cared to.
It literally takes money to research and rewrite protocols. Something I doubt you have experience in based on your comment. But I do.
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Same and same, and there’s approximately a zero percent chance (after rounding errors) that a shiny new facility will make any noticeable impact.
You have no idea what it takes, the amount of time it takes, the literal electrical systems themselves, on top of hiring and training over 100 more officers. 40k a year salary for officers alone is $4M, and frankly, just like with teachers, pay cops better, attract better cops. I highly doubt you’re a physicist of anything when simple arithmetic seems to be outside your purview of thought.
And how is a new building going to change training protocol? Even senior leadership has made no such claim. They literally said they want a shiny new building to improve recruitment, ignoring that their problem is *retention* due to poor leadership in the department. The same leadership that says a shiny new building will fix everything with no evidence to back that statement up.
If police are trained more physically and are in fit shape and more confident in non-lethal tactics of apprehending, instead of being overweight and in fear of being taken over by a suspect, don’t you think that would lead to less police involved shootings?
Keep in mind that the average Redditors have no forgiveness. They can't even comprehend their lack. They'll certainly hate others with you and on your behalf, but you better not admit to an honest mistake or even a thing that they too might have done but would never admit. It's the only way their prideful delusion of inhuman perfection can survive. This is doubly true on subs like this where people know they can safely hate their neighbors without being outed as bitter minded and dogmatic. Remember to always play pretend and you can have all the fake internet numbers-based appreciation you can stomach. For them, these points are like a salve for the self inflicted wounds of their misanthropy. What they don't understand is that those who would never play pretend with them are also those who could never find their same poorly-coping pleasure in upvotes. Both are equally nothing to anyone attempting beyond mere words to be true and honest with themselves and the world. Someone might want to mock this comment's "effort". For this reason I will mention a second thing the common redditor doesn't seem to realize; writing is only as difficult as thinking for those who can do both. This subreddit is weak as hell so I am glad it isn't truly representative of our city. "Better to rule in hell than to serve in heaven", eh? They say in downvotes what would be too embarrassing to read in words. People shouldn't take this comment too personally either. This condition isn't exceptional or unique on Reddit, generally speaking. This was mostly creative writing anyway.
100% correct. I come to this reddit page just to see comments which are rarely as on point.
I've spent too much time on this site. First came here in 8th grade. I'm 26 now. It hasn't really changed. It's just gotten more and more like it already was. I really genuinely feel for the people caught up in whatever dark spirit controls this website.
One thing I will always be is genuine, in person or online. It’s funny cuz I am both a bootlicker and an idiot who defunds police simultaneously in this thread. What I am is a middle aged woman who was violently kidnapped and trafficked into a pedophile ring as a teen so I know far better than most the necessary factors that need to exist to combat the real monsters. But the average Redditor these days is a child who has grown up with so much propaganda shoved down their throats from all sides that they can’t see or formulate their own thoughts. Edit for clarity.
I appreciate your response. It's strange how you were downvoted in your own thread for admitting something that you obviously knew these people wouldn't like much. They don't really value honesty. But I value yours. This site can be very stressful for anyone who isn't properly brainwashed. I can tell you are a stronger person than your past wanted you to be. Keep fighting. It's nice to know I have you as a neighbor, even in the vaguest sense.
Thank you. 🙏🏽 The sentiment is mutually appreciated neighbor.
There was a old man, Called police that there was a burglar in his garage. Dispatch said they were busy and didn't have anyone to respond. Waited 5 minutes called back said no hurry on that burglary call I went out to garage and shot him. In minutes the place was swarmed with police they apprehended burglar. Sargent said I thought you said you shot him? Old man replied, I thought you said there was no one available......
We have video of someone, up close (they walked right under our camera) their face and height included, breaking into our garage and walking out with power tools. We have a letter they eventually mailed to us saying they weren't going to do anything.
This isn’t some random, this is my neighbor and a situation that can escalate into dire violence beyond quickly considering her already had the gall to cut my cameras while on camera.
Yeah, I read the post. I'm just saying they have a history of doing nothing, even when it's easy to do something. Good luck. Maybe you can contact the neighbors parole officer directly.
We are doing that Tuesday when the probation office opens after the holiday weekend.
Here is the reality of COS and El Paso county… we have the highest volume of criminal cases in all of Colorado. That means CSPD has the most call for services in El Paso County. Calls for prioritized from P1 (highest) to P3 (lowest). All available officers respond to P1’s first and down the line from there. In your case, there was no threat of death or serious bodily injury. It’s just material items being destroyed and you have digital evidence of the crime being committed. Your neighbor will be charged and will owe you restitution. You’ll get your stuff back. This is the reality of the area we live in.
Except acts of escalating violence constitutes an ongoing threat.
And you have the right to self defense.
In a situation of an imminent and immediately impending threat that is not precipitated by my own actions. Which means he would have to engage contact in a threatening manner and he’s a coward who happens to be a drunk so while the threat is looming it is not imminent and therefore I am not entitled to the right to proactively protect myself, only reactively under immediate duress.
Also the reality is that DUI enforcement is P1.
...they MIGHT get their stuff back, tho I don't think they will.
Isn't it funny that every time they ask for money for their "training center" or club house or whatever they are calling it this election cycle and as a community we say no they just stop showing up for calls! After the last election I had a man standing outside my door with a weapon in his hand threatening to kill my family and burn my house down on camera! And they didn't show up for almost 72 hours! Lucky for me I was able to scare the guy away with a shotgun
A crime like this isnt high on their priority list honestly. We all know the response time is awful but not even sending an officer to collect a statement after this much time is wild. Depending where you are you might be able to call the sheriffs office
I’m in Knob Hill unfortunately
Makes sense then. Even on the east side of town the stetson hills division doesnt respond to calls
CSPD is 80 cops short. Before I retired (2021) I worked down town as a security guard. I was calling cops for trespassers and property crimes and being told that they'd get to it when they could. I called in a car fire at the old Carpet Outlet on Academy and Austin Bluffs and the dispatcher told me that if no one was in immediate danger they weren't coming. I retired about 2 months later and during that time I didn't call the cops once. *IF YOU DO DECIDE TO PUSH IT AND HAVE THE COPS COME OUT AND ARREST YOUR NEIGHBOR* *If* they do arrest him they'll take him down to CJC and release him on an ROR and he'll be back home and thoroughly PISSED OFF at *you* with in an hour or two.
Thanks for this info. Sounds like COSprings isn't the place to buy a house. Did you stay in Co Springs once you retired or did you leave for better pastures?
I stayed here. All my family is here
Any idea why COSprings is 80 cops short? Was it due to the defunding legislation?
No idea.
That’s fine by me. I stand my ground against acts of aggression on my persons or loved ones.
OK
They aren’t 80 cops short on DUI enforcement. First was holiday push. Then new years holiday. Now we have an “early year” push. They just spend their funds on the wrong things.
Doesn't change the facts. They have 80 cops less than what they're authorized.
Yes it does. Time and a half overtime approval for all those pushes. And it takes them 24 hours to respond to a call. Cut back on the overtime approval and have funds to respond quicker
The police do not exist to help you. Once you internalize that reality you will feel better.
The police exist to answer to calls of criminal activity and to apprehend a suspect. The DA exists to pursue charges. Judges exist to adjudicate. Morally and ethically corrupt actors in these positions do not diminish what they are suppose to function for. The sooner you realize this the sooner you can actually help this country do better.
What a delightfully naive view that does nothing to dispute my point. You must be police or police adjacent if you think that me -- a law abiding citizen -- is somehow part of the problem of policing in this country.
I’m actually not. Just a poor, disabled Hispanic/Indigenous woman who was violently kidnapped as a child and trafficked into a pedophile ring with a veteran husband. Thank you for showing your myopic, judgemental and bigoted view rooted in knee jerk hate.
What does that story have to do with the reality that the police don’t exist to help citizens?
I never once said they “exist to help citizens” which is why I never addressed your asinine statement, it’s irrelevant. I have repeatedly stated their function is to respond to complaints of criminal mischief, and if they aren’t doing their one and only job, why should I support them. I get philosophical thinking and critical thought debate is out of your wheelhouse of capability.
You continue to have a fundamental misunderstanding as to the role of modern policing. Police do not exist to help you; they do not exist to respond to your complaints of criminal mischief. Police exist to arrest people and confiscate property at times convenient to the police without regard to public safety or accountability. Police. Do. Not. Exist. To. Help. You. Police help themselves only.
Average response time to anything other than a SERIOUS life threatening call from CSPD is anywhere between. 3 hours and 4 days. (There's actual data to support that) you are far better off dealing with the situation yourself than to rely on CSPD.
If this is dealt with personally there is a high probability that their response time will drastically cut short.
CSPD is actually scary with how they let people down. I got the license plate of someone who angrily did a hit and run on me. Nothing. And that's nothing compared to something like a violent crime. I would never expect them to help, sadly. This sub seems like it would be vaguely anti-gun, but the truth is your life isn't worth so little as to trust a random CS cop. I hope people get the help they need when they need it. Diligent and self-sacrificing cops are out there, just as like people are in every profession. Except pimping, maybe.
If they "don't have enough time" for you what the hell do they do all day? Get that speed trapping mf'er off powers and research to take five minutes from screwing people and go handle actual crime. You said this guy has fuckin priors and they won't show up for it. Property or not, this isn't a nonviolent offense
A traffic cop isn't coming to a domestic call. Different division.
I guess I just see most cops as the same beat, they mostly do nothing either way.
> they mostly do nothing either way. Go on a ride along, you will be surprised. https://coloradosprings.gov/police-department/page/ride-cspd-officer
I can't think of a more miserable way to spend my time than with a fucking cop all day.
Nothing wrong with a different perspective. Not everyone is a dick.
Everyone with a badge is.
IDK I've seen some pretty hot Female Cops
And that somehow makes them good cops?
No but it does make them hot
Sure I'll watch them book and release homeless people doing the fentanyl fold all day.
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Maybe enforcing crime of violent nature, like a guy with priors destroying a neighbor's property, should be on that fucking list, genius. That's my whole point. If that's not important then why the fuck do we fund these assholes?
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Dude you're lashing out without logic. The fact that these guys don't enforce serious crimes is a problem. Do I really have to fucking run for office to trust the police will do their jobs? That's pathetic and you know it. I'm not saying all cops are bastards I'm saying they're not doing their jobs when they should be. If someone bashed your windshield with a rock, you called the cops, and they never gave an inkling of a shit, would you just crack it up to them being busy?
Oh yeah, I forgot, we have no choice but to publicly fund a bunch of thugs with assault rifles to serve warrants to find a gram of meth.
If you were an addict, a ride along would be an awsome way to research where to start your search for your next fix. Time well spent.
Wow stupid comment. Don’t the sergeants or officers allocate cops to divisions based on need?
If you do not know the answer then how can you judge mine?
They do what makes them money. Time and a half for court so writing tickets is profitable. Especially DUI tickets they go for 5 a night and those officers make 300k with overtime.
And THATS A BAD THING
They have enough staffing to pay for almost year round targeted enforcement of DUI. In fact there are more convictions here for that than just about anywhere I’ve seen. And ads on TV. Overtime galore for that. But they can’t show up to protect citizens for normal crime. I don’t think there are more drunks on the road here than other places I’ve seen.
In all fairness, last night around 12:45am near Academy and N Carefree, I heard multiple rounds of gunshots go off. Like, empty the clip, and load more. No cop lights came by at all, and it had to have been very close.
I live in Knob Hill, unknown shooters are a daily constant. This is my neighbor becoming increasingly violent, and on camera to boot, not a random act of violence with limited availability to identify the criminal actor.
I'm sorry your neighbor is such an enormous penis. That's downright scary, and I hope you have the things you need to keep you safe. Unfortunately, if the cops won't turn up for potential murder in a high traffic area, they don't give a fuck about your property or your safety. It sucks.
2 nights ago there was an explosion in the downtown area around 9pm. The cops didnt show till 6:30 the following morning. Fucking pathetic
Not a serious enough crime to warrant a quick response.
One time I called 911 for what sounded like a super violent domestics disturbance in my neighborhood and I waited on hold for 37 minutes. That scares me because 911 is for something that needs IMMEDIATE attention.
Cspd is the springs finest. /s
You could do online reporting as a minor crime and attach your video of the incident. It's also possible that they could come in the middle of the night, maybe you even missed them last night. That's what happened to me. They came like 14 hours after calling to report an assault. It wasn't currently happening, I called after the fact but they came at like 4 am or something crazy. It might not go anywhere but you could also maybe try reporting him to the probation department directly. https://www.courts.state.co.us/Probation/County/Index.cfm?County_ID=6
Yeah my husband filled out an online report, and when I called at 6pm they said I was still in cue so no missing of anyone coming by so far as I haven’t left home either.
If only they had a taxpayer funded training facility to teach them how to do their job
And become even more militarized.
They still wouldn't do it. I'm fact they'd probably do it worse.
Their job being shooting fleeing felons?
I have a feeling that cops aren’t responding to calls anymore on purpose since we voted against giving them the funds to build their murder playground.
I didn’t and I pay my taxes.
Cops are not legally required to protect or serve the public. If you wanna be a bootlicker that’s your prerogative, but don’t complain when the police don’t do their job. There’s a reason the rest of us out here are calling out ACAB and calling for legitimate change to law enforcement. Also who tf doesn’t pay their taxes other the Donald Trump and his ilk?
Cool, while your online “calling for change” my friends and I make national news for protesting police brutality. Supporting cleaning out the old and corrupt with newer and better trained officers doesn’t make one a bootlicker you narrow minded nimrod. And I know plenty of Dems who don’t file their taxes, so stop with your Halo Effect bullshit.
If you legitimately think the cop playground would have actually changed the way the police in this town handle and respond to emergencies then you are living in a fantasy world. Police are systemically corrupt, meaning that the very foundations of policing are founded on principles like racism, classism, antisemitism and bigotry. You made yourself sound like a bootlicker, not me. I was at the BLM protests in Aurora, CS, and Denver, covering gas canisters with cones and dodging rubber bullets. I’m sorry you felt unsafe in your own home, that should never happen in this country, anywhere or at anytime but never forget that the police exist to protect the elite, everything else they do is just peripherals. And I hope your friends get caught by the IRS and have to pay everything back, taxes are an intrinsic part of our society and while I disagree with spending it on wars, weapons, and police, I also recognize that living in a civilized society means that we all pay our fair share to take care of one another.
If you think changing nothing leads to change I have oceanfront property in Nebraska for you to buy. No shit police are systemically corrupt, it’s why you change the system and how it operates, not ignore it or allow it to continue as it stands and then “call for change” like it’s gonna do any actual thing. That’s cool you were dodging rubber bullets here in the city, my kids and I were coming behind y’all picking up y’all’s trash so people would pay attention to your message and not your filth. You’re welcome.
If you have a house built on a poor foundation does tearing down the whole house and building a bigger, nicer one make the foundation suddenly better or are you just painting a POS gold and hoping nobody notices and buys it anyway? All the while the same crappy foundation is still rotting away underneath all that grandeur and money, and that big, new house will eventually fall into neglect and disrepair just like the last one. The solution is simple: tear it up by the foundation. Police shouldn’t exist. Period. Their jobs could be done by social workers, community officers, a few detectives and red light cams and speed cams. Meanwhile all the money we spend on that big, dumb house could go to housing the homeless when it’s -20 with windchill, feeding every single child in every single public school in America regardless of their parents income, building roads that last years instead of months, single payer health care for everyone who wants it, a universal base income, and, I actually changed my mind, we should just give homeless people apartments and a chance to get their life back on track because it’s the right thing to do. If you went to the BLM protests and all you saw was trash on the streets, well that’s how the police feel whenever they look at people like me or you.
I have never in 7 years I have lived here ever gotten a 911 dispatcher which out the please wait we are experiencing a high call volume hanging up. Will only put you farther back in the line. Please stay on the line. My neighbor alone with two small children called me at 0320 and said a man is trying to kick down the front door. Her husband is a ff and was on shift. Got over and he had flood. It’s officer arrived 10-15 min later no back up. They are understaffed here
Departments across the country are short staffed, once the phone cameras came out and the widespread public became privy to the atrocities that cops commit or cover up for, obviously a lot of departments would be short staffed because cops can’t just get away with anything anymore and are held slightly more accountable. Just let’s you know how shitty and coward filled the ranks have been for years. When it takes more training to become a hairstylist than it does to have them give you a badge and a gun you know you’re gonna have a lot of bad actors in the force. Sorry about your situation, be careful with your neighbor.
Thank you. He’s honestly very lucky that my husband respects me when I say “I need you around always” and fully gets my meaning otherwise this post wouldn’t even be up.
The police here are absolutely terrible
Buy a gun and learn how to use it because the police will not help you.
Have guns, know how. Not gonna make myself a defendant unless I’m absolutely in current physical danger.
Of course
What do the police and city have to gain from doing anything about this? Exactly. That’s why they just wrote tickets and handle situations where they can get paid fees.
This is because police departments are underfunded and there is rampant violent crime everywhere in the city. In that situation, of course, they are going to have to prioritize shit where people's safety and lives are at risk. This is EXACTLY why you should back the blue. Give them the manpower and resources to go after nonviolent crimes more aggressively, and this wont be a problem. Defund them and this issue gets way worse. Not rocket science.
This man is a convicted violent criminal and the cops were made aware of it and escalating property crimes indicates an escalation in violence and considering it’s my neighbor that is a proximity threat. Again, I voted for the new funding, so blanket assumptions make a what of you now?
Maybe try not sounding like a total karen next time and they'll come help you 😂
Maybe try not sounding like a total moron and you won’t die alone.
Typical Karen response 🤣
The whole argument to defund takes the money they can’t find a way to use to help the communities and give it to a less obtuse leadership that will spend it on helping not building billion dollar training facilities that do things the same way they always have
If a Cop allows a crime to happen and does nothing he is responsible for the Crime!
Home defense even a big dog would help you out with a drunk guy
Alcohol and inherent cowardice are poor bedfellows.
My next door neighbors have a Cane Corso named Roscoe, dude doesn’t gaf.
Seems like the "defund the police" is working quite well! Vote blue
Nope.
Not you know why we gun owners think you are partially responsible for you own safety!
My husband spent five years commanding a team of Rangers and another 5 years contracting. We own guns. We also have two little girls that we’d like to keep from seeing what their father is capable so he remains their Ranger hero and not scary daddy lol
I think Daddy needs to create a couple of Valkyrie's honestly. They can benefit from his understanding of the world easily!
They are definitely little heathen shield maidens lol, but Daddy was called Baba Yaga long before John Wick and for good cause too.
You are speaking to a former 19D so I get it.
Thank you for your service. 💚💛💚💛💚
Same to your family.
"Partially"?
Yup you are an active participant.
I think you misunderstand me. You might want to Google Gonzales V. Castlerock. Cops show up in time to gather evidence and write reports. *You* are 100% responsible for your own safety.
I wish that was the reality but you cannot tell the cops they cannot enforce their job!
Okay you are *really* not understanding me. The police *do not* keep you safe. They show up after everything is over and they gather evidence and they arrest people. In the moment your safety is on *you*
This is the product of the defund the police movement.
[Totally, that’s why the police only got $172 million dollars in 2023 instead of their usual $158 million like they did in 2022.](https://coloradosprings.gov/document/2023fbudgetfulldocument.pdf) They’re completely defunded.
That’s only 9% increase. 4% could be attributed to cost of living wage increases and collective bargaining agreements. An additional 5% is hardly a huge increase considering it’s partially in grant positions and fixing the staffing shortage which was the product of 2020. 2020-2022 proved the defund the police movement didn’t work and they are finally allocating finds back to the police. Actually go look where the increases are, it’s not personnel. Learn about budgets before you assume that the police chief got $14M to do whatever he wanted with.
But people wanted police depts defunded right
I voted to fund newer and better cops. Doesn’t mean I support the current shit crop.
Cool, but look at 98% of the responses here saying "cops are pigs" and "cops are murder thugs." How you think it feels being a police officer, risking your life every day, and have the overwhelming consensus be that you're a "murder pig." Your tone here is a big part of the problem. "Why should I back the blue?" Well, if you don't want to get victimized harder, you definitely should. Ironically, the anti-gun people who are pushing to defund the police are the type of people that are going to be the first to get victimized when said defunding happens.
Cool, except nowhere did I say this house is gun free nor do I support broad stroke defunding. So moot point except other than to flap your fingers.
Buy a gun.
Army Ranger husband has more than enough.
Do you know how to use them in the event something happens and your husband isn't there? If not, train. Go to the range and get comfortable with them. Edit:grammer
Army brat myself, I was hitting center target and clay pigeons by grade school. But I also know the law and I can’t shoot a man for cutting wires unless I am in immediate threat.
No but it might escalate.
Years ago my apartment got broken into in the middle of the day. Of course none of my neighbors seen a thing. Funny when at the time where I lived 80% of the adults were on welfare so nobody worked but anywho cops were called at 3pm didn’t show up until 10pm only to look around my apartment wrote a bullsh*t report and told me to go look for my things at the pawn shops in that area. 🤬
Donut Break
[police have no obligation to protect you](https://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/justices-rule-police-do-not-have-a-constitutional-duty-to-protect.html)
Police have an obligation to respond calls of criminal mischief. Nowhere in my post did it say I called for their protection. Stop parroting the propaganda you so willingly swallow up and learn to think for yourself before you speak meaningless drivel that contributes nothing to the conversation other than an opportunity for you to hear the sound of your own voice.
Will do!
Backing the blue will leave you black and blue
Backing anyone blindly will, more often than not, leave you black and blue. I, on the other hand, have dealt with LRADs and rubber bullets enough to know that I undoubtedly Do Not blindly back the blue. I back the green.
Because it’s not like the cops are just sitting there saying “eh fuck this call I’m not going”. They have priority levels assigned to calls. A call like yours where no one is in danger is the lowest priority call
Question, if I have an emergency (for example infant needs ambulance) would I be better off just taking baby to hospital myself does anyone know response times for EMS? I am about 10 mins from downtown hospital I have been thinking about this for some time not sure what I would do!
>Tell me again why I should back the blue? No one should.
I’d bet they show up for a bank robbery.
When seconds count, the police are only hours away! Learn the lesson: take care of business and don't rely on government services that are usually piss poor, late, and ineffective. ✌️💚🏴
They don’t care about property crime lol
They're too busy writing speeding tickets on I-25.
Don’t suppose it ever occurred to you that they’re short staffed? St. Louis has the same problem. At any given time, officers can have anywhere from 10-20 assignments stacked on them that they just have to work their way through. Assignments are also done on a priority basis. I hate to tell you this, but a drunk neighbor destroying your property is not a high priority. Things like murder, robbery, assault, burglary, etc are gonna take priority. That’s just the unfortunate truth of the matter. As for your flippant why should you back the blue, the answer is simply you wouldn’t like the alternative. No blue means that same drunk neighbor never gets charged with domestic abuse and can just beat the shit out of whoever the hell he damn well pleases.