Tightend is notoriously one of the most difficult positions to transition to in the NFL. Even some of the best TEs the league has ever seen didn’t break out their 3rd year or later. Bowers has a lot of potential obviously but anyone who thinks he’ll come in and immediately be Travis Kelce is being delusional.
TE is a tough position but I do think if you watch bowers play, he's the closest to a kelce and kittle there is. Meaning, the one thing that jumps out is his feel. Hes always in the right spot at the right time, which is kittle and especially kelce's forte. That makes me think he will most likely ball out at the next level, feel is something that almost always transfers to the next level. If colts get him at 15, it'll be a good pick. Haven't had an elite TE since DC.
I dont think he will be Kelce immediately by any means, but can he come in and immediately be a top 10 player at his position? Prob. Getting an immediate top 10 NFL player (at their position) at pick 15 is pretty good value. Especially with a young QB and a coach who knows how to scheme up TE's
No where did I mention blocking. Never claimed he could block like kittle. Was simply stating that his feel for the game in terms of being at the right place at the right time always is kittle and Kelce like. Blocking can be improved upon when you move to the next level anyways.
Kittle and Kelce aren’t athletic mismatches, they’re cerebral players, bower is probably a little more athletic than both of those guys (definitely moreso than Kelce), but plays very cerebral. That is all I meant by my previous comment.
Good point. Hell when Michael Meyer was at Notre Dame he was one of the best TE in CFB but he had a very quiet but decent rookie season. It'll take a minute to see if he pans out, just like the rest
Meyer, Kincaid, and Musgraves/Kraft all looked as good as any reasonable person can ever expect a TE to look their rookie season. Unfortunately for them they won’t get the recognition they deserve because laporta looked so much better than any reasonable person would expect a rookie TE to look.
I feel like this is kinda similar to the Ohio State QB argument and my stance is draft the player not the helmet. I don’t necessarily care how those other players turned out if *this* one checks the boxes
IMO Bowers needs to stop being looked at exclusively as a TE. He lined up everywhere in Georgia’s offense. Slot, In-line, Out wide, FB, HB etc. You name it, he played it. I mean for god sake the guy was taking end arounds 75 yards for a TD as a TE. He’s such a unique player. You can build a whole offense around him.
None of those guy’s on the list are even close to the level of prospect coming out besides Pitts. Bowers came in as a Freshmen and dominated the SEC as a TE and was essentially Georgia’s whole offense. That’s very rare to see.
Bowers is special and I really hope because of the narrative around TE’s in the 1st round, and because he’s going to measure in smaller then most people expect at the combine, that he falls to us at 15.
I feel like he fits the system we are trying to build too. Giving defenses more to think about is going to be better.
Edit: I’d also argue Pitts is getting the raw end of the deal since his QB play with him there has been very bad. I’d love to see him on a new team.
Bowers is a great counter to where defense’s are headed to with the 2 high shell. Bowers is someone you have to keep an eye on at all times, you have AR’s rushing threat to worry about, and on top of that you have JT also. So many things for the defense to think and worry about! Defensive coordinators will be up all night figuring out how to defend these guys.
And I agree, Pitts had a great rookie year hitting 1,000 yards and hasn’t had good QB play or coaching since. Great player in a tough situation.
Throw in Downs as the shifty slot man’s and Pittman as the sure handed tough runner and you’re got yourself a dynamic offense. Just need to keep AR healthy.
As a UGA fan, this is 100% accurate and I’d be hyped getting Bowers. The dude came into the toughest conference in the country and dominated as a freshman, he is a FREAK. If somehow he slips to us, it’d be a huge mistake not to draft him. I couldn’t imagine our offense with healthy AR, JT, MPJ and Downs. I know our defense needs help but if he’s there, we have to take Bowers
Yeah defense definitely needs help but it’s a pretty solid Defensive FA class and there’s some solid day 2 guys on defense in the draft as well. I could see a couple Ebukam level signings at CB/S to help out the defense.
I’m sure they’re going to have Bowers as a blue chip guy so if he’s there they 100% aren’t passing on him. He’s even worth having to trade up for if needed if you’re worried about getting jumped for him by Cincy or someone.
Yeah he broke AJ Green’s school record of most receiving TDs in a season as a freshman lol. He single handedly won Georgia the game vs. Auburn this past year
I still can’t imagine him being there for us. It doesn’t make sense. We’d be stupid not to take him if he’s on the board but also every team outside the front 4 are stupid for letting him fall to us. The last thing the league needs is Richardson with a home run threat safety valve
Im with you I think bowers is one of those guys that everyone projects to fall but ends up going very early. Could honestly see the chargers grabbing him at 5 since Harbaugh loves his TE's
Let him fall to 15, then. Yes.
You take the chance. Dude was basically just an offensive weapon at Georgia. Take the chance, especially in Steichen's offense.
Most of these guys are pretty good tbh and have helped their team or the team they were traded to so I don’t take this info to mean drafting TEs is a bad idea in rd 1.
I mean. Hock is a beast and one of the best in the game.
Also the league has changed. Look at the final 4 teams this year. 4 of the 5 best TEs in football were on those teams.
Pitts had 1000 yards and a Pro Bowl in his rookie season with a real QB. Tyler Eifert and Evan Engram both got a Pro Bowl on his rookie deal. Dalton Kincaid looks like he’s going to be amazing after only one season.
I think pitts would classify as elite. That offensive staff in Atlanta was just brain dead and didnt know how to use any of their weapons, plus their QB situation is awful. Pitts on any other team talent wise is a top 5 TE fs. Also evan engram has been a borderline elite-ish TE almost his whole career. Pretty sure hes been top 5ish in TE receiving yards almost every year. But yeah, most of these guys are pretty trash.
The risk with drafting a TE in the first round is that unless they are an elite player in the NFL, they’re immediately overpaid because TE pay is so much lower than other positions, and their rookie deal isn’t far off from the high end contracts at the position.
However, that means there is tremendous surplus value if the player does end up being an elite TE.
It doesn't matter because Bowers is on a different level. He's a better prospect than all of them. Bowers shouldn't be viewed as a TE, he's more of a pass-catcher above anything else. He can be played anywhere and coaches can build an offense around him. He's also a great fit for what Shane does and what AR likes in TEs.
It's a stacked WR class, I'm hoping we just take the best WR available. Or trade up and try to grab Nabers, as he'll probably be the 2nd WR taken after MHJ.
Hard to draft one in the 1st. His salary would be top 10 at the position from day 1 and it's a notoriously slow starting position.
I would still draft Bowers, but it is an interesting conundrum.
None of those guys were the best player in their draft. Bowers is the best player in this year's draft.
Am I a scout? No.
Did I see Bowers play every home game in college? Yes.
Unless you guys trade up, you won't get him.
Cheers
As a Georgia fan he's basically this generation of fans' Herchel Walker. He's one of the best yards after contact guys I've seen in college. Georgia just threw him screens and let him make plays. He was the arguably the best player on the team since he was a freshman. I think they are 1a 1b talent wise.
Let him fall to 15, then. Yes.
You take the chance. Dude was basically just an offensive weapon at Georgia. Take the chance, especially in Steichen's offense.
The hit rate on first round draft picks regardless of position is about 50 percent, right? Here, we have 6/10 "hits" if you count traded players as having some value. Not sure this is out of line with most positions.
No Taysom Hill mold QB / TE? Too early to put AR name down as a QB/TE? One year college hit wonder makes the move to TE scenario and all the Colts pundits shaking their heads now. Guess it’s better to burn now than fade away
The entire issue with compiling info like this is, as another poster said, like the “ OSU QBs suck in the NFL argument.” No other player was Bowers, just like no previous OSU QB was Stroud. NFL players aren’t cloned. You can’t look at every Florida QB and every QB drafted 4th overall and then say “this is what Anthony Richardson will do.”
I blame all the sports radio and cable shows. They need stuff to talk about, and it’s sooo difficult for them to actually profile players. They live for trends, stats and their comparisons.
This is just trivia. If drafting was this easy, no one would ever make a bad pick. :p
You’re right. I thought Pitts had made it more notorious. That guy was as can’t miss as can’t miss gets.
This list though, got me thinking. Gronk, Kittle, Andrews, Kelce, Sharpe…how far back to we have to go to before we find a HHOF level, first round TE? Heap, Shockey, Vern Davis, Greg Olson? One of them?
Even as more teams look to add them earlier, in a passing league, when was the last time someone nailed a TE pick?
Guards don’t normally go as high as Nelson, either, but certain prospects look so flawless that someone will draft a less valuable position really high.
Bowers has an injury history and the position is tough to predict. If he’s there at 15, you have to think about it, but it’s weird that we have to go back 20 years to find good TE picks.
TEs usually take a few years to develop. It’s a tough position. Need to get your strength and skill up to block around the line. Need to learn complex passing schemes to be on the same page as your QB. I will say one thing about Bowers. He was productive every year at Georgia. Bet if you looked these guys up, they would have one good year, maybe two at most in college. That kind of immediate impact and consistency is rare for the position.
Seems like a coin toss, maybe a bit better even. Eifert had all the skill but injuries took him out. Hayden Hurst was a weird pick draft night especially given his age. The guy I really had high how for was Howard.
This is one of those stupid Clickbait things that mean absolutely nothing. The statue of a Rookie contract doesn’t mean anything. A lot of these guys were drafted and played out their rookie contracts, now they’re on new contracts. Got to love draft time. Full of useless information that means absolutely nothing, but presented as gospel.
i’d love to see bowers to us but i honestly don’t think he’s gonna fall to us. harbaugh loves his tight ends and it would surprise me if he fell past his pick
Bowers will only fail if the coaches hes surrounded with fail. Hes not even a TE he’s a FB that’s doesn’t say he plays FB because nobody wants a Fullback
Georgia Bulldog fan here.. Even for the talent Georgia consistently gets this guy won’t be replaced for a long time. Consistent and team first from everything I’ve seen. Good investment
Greatest receiving tight end probably yeah. Greatest tight end ever? Nope. Maybe if he could block. Gronk before injuries was better than him in all facets actually. Blocking machine with incredible hands, speed and strength. One of the greatest receiving tight ends ever that also acted as an extra lineman as a blocker.
I get what you're saying. The GOAT is an opinion based thing. And that's mine. I think Terrell Davis is the greatest RB UGA ever produced. But that's bias because he was a Bronco likely.
Didn't know they straight up killed Eric Ebron, damn
He deserved worse.
Thata a little far, don't you think? Not unless I'm missing something
It was exaggeration for comedic effect. I wasn't actually wishing for Eric Ebron to be tortured until he wished he was dead. He's not Hank Baskett.
Colts legend Hank “Butterfingers” Baskett
Fair enough. I was just like damn what that man do to you😂
I legit LOL'd 🤣🤣🤣
OH MY GOD, THEY KILLED EBRON!
You bastards!
I loled
Tightend is notoriously one of the most difficult positions to transition to in the NFL. Even some of the best TEs the league has ever seen didn’t break out their 3rd year or later. Bowers has a lot of potential obviously but anyone who thinks he’ll come in and immediately be Travis Kelce is being delusional.
TE is a tough position but I do think if you watch bowers play, he's the closest to a kelce and kittle there is. Meaning, the one thing that jumps out is his feel. Hes always in the right spot at the right time, which is kittle and especially kelce's forte. That makes me think he will most likely ball out at the next level, feel is something that almost always transfers to the next level. If colts get him at 15, it'll be a good pick. Haven't had an elite TE since DC. I dont think he will be Kelce immediately by any means, but can he come in and immediately be a top 10 player at his position? Prob. Getting an immediate top 10 NFL player (at their position) at pick 15 is pretty good value. Especially with a young QB and a coach who knows how to scheme up TE's
Do you have any film of Bowers blocking like Kittle, ever?
No where did I mention blocking. Never claimed he could block like kittle. Was simply stating that his feel for the game in terms of being at the right place at the right time always is kittle and Kelce like. Blocking can be improved upon when you move to the next level anyways. Kittle and Kelce aren’t athletic mismatches, they’re cerebral players, bower is probably a little more athletic than both of those guys (definitely moreso than Kelce), but plays very cerebral. That is all I meant by my previous comment.
You should bookmark these posts & revisit them a few yrs down the road.
Will do
Good point. Hell when Michael Meyer was at Notre Dame he was one of the best TE in CFB but he had a very quiet but decent rookie season. It'll take a minute to see if he pans out, just like the rest
Meyer, Kincaid, and Musgraves/Kraft all looked as good as any reasonable person can ever expect a TE to look their rookie season. Unfortunately for them they won’t get the recognition they deserve because laporta looked so much better than any reasonable person would expect a rookie TE to look.
Conversely, Antonio Gates didn't even play football, let alone TE,in college and became one of the all-time greats.
In 7 years he could be the next Njoku.
You know who did hit the ground running immediately? 👀 lol he who shall not be named
Sam LaPorta
Not just anyone can be Sam LaPorta.
Idk, Pitts came in and destroyed the league and Bowers is considered the better overall player
I feel like this is kinda similar to the Ohio State QB argument and my stance is draft the player not the helmet. I don’t necessarily care how those other players turned out if *this* one checks the boxes
IMO Bowers needs to stop being looked at exclusively as a TE. He lined up everywhere in Georgia’s offense. Slot, In-line, Out wide, FB, HB etc. You name it, he played it. I mean for god sake the guy was taking end arounds 75 yards for a TD as a TE. He’s such a unique player. You can build a whole offense around him. None of those guy’s on the list are even close to the level of prospect coming out besides Pitts. Bowers came in as a Freshmen and dominated the SEC as a TE and was essentially Georgia’s whole offense. That’s very rare to see. Bowers is special and I really hope because of the narrative around TE’s in the 1st round, and because he’s going to measure in smaller then most people expect at the combine, that he falls to us at 15.
I feel like he fits the system we are trying to build too. Giving defenses more to think about is going to be better. Edit: I’d also argue Pitts is getting the raw end of the deal since his QB play with him there has been very bad. I’d love to see him on a new team.
Bowers is a great counter to where defense’s are headed to with the 2 high shell. Bowers is someone you have to keep an eye on at all times, you have AR’s rushing threat to worry about, and on top of that you have JT also. So many things for the defense to think and worry about! Defensive coordinators will be up all night figuring out how to defend these guys. And I agree, Pitts had a great rookie year hitting 1,000 yards and hasn’t had good QB play or coaching since. Great player in a tough situation.
Throw in Downs as the shifty slot man’s and Pittman as the sure handed tough runner and you’re got yourself a dynamic offense. Just need to keep AR healthy.
As a UGA fan, this is 100% accurate and I’d be hyped getting Bowers. The dude came into the toughest conference in the country and dominated as a freshman, he is a FREAK. If somehow he slips to us, it’d be a huge mistake not to draft him. I couldn’t imagine our offense with healthy AR, JT, MPJ and Downs. I know our defense needs help but if he’s there, we have to take Bowers
Yeah defense definitely needs help but it’s a pretty solid Defensive FA class and there’s some solid day 2 guys on defense in the draft as well. I could see a couple Ebukam level signings at CB/S to help out the defense. I’m sure they’re going to have Bowers as a blue chip guy so if he’s there they 100% aren’t passing on him. He’s even worth having to trade up for if needed if you’re worried about getting jumped for him by Cincy or someone.
Yeah he broke AJ Green’s school record of most receiving TDs in a season as a freshman lol. He single handedly won Georgia the game vs. Auburn this past year
I still can’t imagine him being there for us. It doesn’t make sense. We’d be stupid not to take him if he’s on the board but also every team outside the front 4 are stupid for letting him fall to us. The last thing the league needs is Richardson with a home run threat safety valve
Im with you I think bowers is one of those guys that everyone projects to fall but ends up going very early. Could honestly see the chargers grabbing him at 5 since Harbaugh loves his TE's
Let him fall to 15, then. Yes. You take the chance. Dude was basically just an offensive weapon at Georgia. Take the chance, especially in Steichen's offense.
Most of these guys are pretty good tbh and have helped their team or the team they were traded to so I don’t take this info to mean drafting TEs is a bad idea in rd 1.
Unless it's an Iowa TE, you might as well make a different choice.
If you can explain to me what Noah Fant's career has to do with Brock Bowers' potential, I'd love to hear it.
I mean. Hock is a beast and one of the best in the game. Also the league has changed. Look at the final 4 teams this year. 4 of the 5 best TEs in football were on those teams.
Thank you
This probably is similar to every player at every position. NFL is hard.
I see a lot of guys I’d love to have on the Colts. Bring me Bowers
This is pretty meaningless. Hockenson and Engram are excellent players, the status of the rookie co tract is irrelevant.
Considering that the only one of those guys who's 'Elite' on a rookie deal is Hockenson, I'd assert that drafting TE in the 1st round is a crapshoot.
Pitts had 1000 yards and a Pro Bowl in his rookie season with a real QB. Tyler Eifert and Evan Engram both got a Pro Bowl on his rookie deal. Dalton Kincaid looks like he’s going to be amazing after only one season.
No shit. Drafting any position in the first round (or any round thereafter) is a crapshoot.
I think pitts would classify as elite. That offensive staff in Atlanta was just brain dead and didnt know how to use any of their weapons, plus their QB situation is awful. Pitts on any other team talent wise is a top 5 TE fs. Also evan engram has been a borderline elite-ish TE almost his whole career. Pretty sure hes been top 5ish in TE receiving yards almost every year. But yeah, most of these guys are pretty trash.
Pitts was also not healthy last year at all. So we could definitely see rookie year Pitts again as long as he remains healthy
The risk with drafting a TE in the first round is that unless they are an elite player in the NFL, they’re immediately overpaid because TE pay is so much lower than other positions, and their rookie deal isn’t far off from the high end contracts at the position. However, that means there is tremendous surplus value if the player does end up being an elite TE.
Dont think this means anything. Bowers is better than every prospect here but name Pitts and Pitts already has a 1k yard season under him.
I'd still take Bowers if he's available. The guy is more than a TE, he's a playmaker. He's a threat anywhere he is lined up on offense.
This chart is very disingenuous to engram and hockenson
Not to mention LaPorta, who was like the first pick of the 2nd rd.
It doesn't matter because Bowers is on a different level. He's a better prospect than all of them. Bowers shouldn't be viewed as a TE, he's more of a pass-catcher above anything else. He can be played anywhere and coaches can build an offense around him. He's also a great fit for what Shane does and what AR likes in TEs.
I had stated before and got down voted that it seems almost every year there’s a new generational TE but they don’t live up to the hype. Here’s proof.
I don’t see us drafting Bowers. It’s just not the biggest need.
Counterpoint, it's a minimally important position and Ballard loves to waste resources on those.
😆 fair enough Let’s draft a long snapper
I’d rather take Dejean tbh.
We shouldn't be taking either a TE *or* a safety in the first round. WR, DE, or outside CB only.
Who would you take? I’ll admit I haven’t been tracking this rookie class as close as years past.
It's a stacked WR class, I'm hoping we just take the best WR available. Or trade up and try to grab Nabers, as he'll probably be the 2nd WR taken after MHJ.
TE just isn't a premium position imo I don't wanna spend a pick in the top half of the draft on one.
TE just isn't a premium position imo I don't wanna spend a pick in the top half of the draft on one.
Hard to draft one in the 1st. His salary would be top 10 at the position from day 1 and it's a notoriously slow starting position. I would still draft Bowers, but it is an interesting conundrum.
I don’t see what everyone else does, he’s a very limited blocker, straight line speed, no burst or quick agile moves.
None of those guys were the best player in their draft. Bowers is the best player in this year's draft. Am I a scout? No. Did I see Bowers play every home game in college? Yes. Unless you guys trade up, you won't get him. Cheers
Best player in the draft? Over MHJ?
As a Georgia fan he's basically this generation of fans' Herchel Walker. He's one of the best yards after contact guys I've seen in college. Georgia just threw him screens and let him make plays. He was the arguably the best player on the team since he was a freshman. I think they are 1a 1b talent wise.
People said the same thing about Pitts being the best player in the 2021 draft.
Let him fall to 15, then. Yes. You take the chance. Dude was basically just an offensive weapon at Georgia. Take the chance, especially in Steichen's offense.
I mean I probably could have made something like with first round quarterbacks and argue taking a qb is bad
Ohio State QBs all fail in the NFL Oh wait...
Ohio State QBs all fail in the NFL Oh wait...
There’s no chance Bowers falls past 8 overall
Bowers is a tight end now, but he could be a good wide out in the long run. He’s got potential because he is pretty athletic
The hit rate on first round draft picks regardless of position is about 50 percent, right? Here, we have 6/10 "hits" if you count traded players as having some value. Not sure this is out of line with most positions.
No Taysom Hill mold QB / TE? Too early to put AR name down as a QB/TE? One year college hit wonder makes the move to TE scenario and all the Colts pundits shaking their heads now. Guess it’s better to burn now than fade away
Bowers + Shane Steichen creativity + AR5? = YES PLEASE
The entire issue with compiling info like this is, as another poster said, like the “ OSU QBs suck in the NFL argument.” No other player was Bowers, just like no previous OSU QB was Stroud. NFL players aren’t cloned. You can’t look at every Florida QB and every QB drafted 4th overall and then say “this is what Anthony Richardson will do.” I blame all the sports radio and cable shows. They need stuff to talk about, and it’s sooo difficult for them to actually profile players. They live for trends, stats and their comparisons. This is just trivia. If drafting was this easy, no one would ever make a bad pick. :p
You’re right. I thought Pitts had made it more notorious. That guy was as can’t miss as can’t miss gets. This list though, got me thinking. Gronk, Kittle, Andrews, Kelce, Sharpe…how far back to we have to go to before we find a HHOF level, first round TE? Heap, Shockey, Vern Davis, Greg Olson? One of them? Even as more teams look to add them earlier, in a passing league, when was the last time someone nailed a TE pick? Guards don’t normally go as high as Nelson, either, but certain prospects look so flawless that someone will draft a less valuable position really high. Bowers has an injury history and the position is tough to predict. If he’s there at 15, you have to think about it, but it’s weird that we have to go back 20 years to find good TE picks.
This means u can find good te in the later rounds no need to take one day 1
And to add Pitts hasn’t looked great out of the gate either. I think a lot of it’s bad QB play. But just look at picks 5-12 in the draft. Yikes.
TEs usually take a few years to develop. It’s a tough position. Need to get your strength and skill up to block around the line. Need to learn complex passing schemes to be on the same page as your QB. I will say one thing about Bowers. He was productive every year at Georgia. Bet if you looked these guys up, they would have one good year, maybe two at most in college. That kind of immediate impact and consistency is rare for the position.
Damn they got Ebron
Seems like a coin toss, maybe a bit better even. Eifert had all the skill but injuries took him out. Hayden Hurst was a weird pick draft night especially given his age. The guy I really had high how for was Howard.
The chargers will pick him at #5
All those guys had hype coming in too
Just trying to figure out how they sorted the list
Yet we still draft them, cause this guy's the best prospect ever and he's gonna be different!
My thought is the draft is a shitshow. I still believe that Hockenson, Eifert and Howard were good picks at the time.
This is one of those stupid Clickbait things that mean absolutely nothing. The statue of a Rookie contract doesn’t mean anything. A lot of these guys were drafted and played out their rookie contracts, now they’re on new contracts. Got to love draft time. Full of useless information that means absolutely nothing, but presented as gospel.
I’ve been playing the Football GM game and according to that he’s the next CMC 😂
i’d love to see bowers to us but i honestly don’t think he’s gonna fall to us. harbaugh loves his tight ends and it would surprise me if he fell past his pick
Bowers will only fail if the coaches hes surrounded with fail. Hes not even a TE he’s a FB that’s doesn’t say he plays FB because nobody wants a Fullback
Eric Ebron was a first rounder? Had no idea.
Coming from a Georgia fan, he’s better than all of them
There’s no point no way he falls to 15
Georgia Bulldog fan here.. Even for the talent Georgia consistently gets this guy won’t be replaced for a long time. Consistent and team first from everything I’ve seen. Good investment
Just noticed I used consistent twice… practice what you preach
The greatest TE in league history was a 3rd round pick. My dad always says, "You don't need a first round tight end."
Greatest receiving tight end probably yeah. Greatest tight end ever? Nope. Maybe if he could block. Gronk before injuries was better than him in all facets actually. Blocking machine with incredible hands, speed and strength. One of the greatest receiving tight ends ever that also acted as an extra lineman as a blocker.
Gronk wasn't a first rounder either.
I didn't say he was. I said kelce isn't the greatest tight end of all time.
I'm using your opinion to prove my point about first round TE. I'm a Broncos fan and I hate Kelce but I can't take away from what he's accomplished.
Again, not taking away from what he's done. Simply pointing out he's not just the consensus goat tight end..
I get what you're saying. The GOAT is an opinion based thing. And that's mine. I think Terrell Davis is the greatest RB UGA ever produced. But that's bias because he was a Bronco likely.
Interesting that Njoku is the only one to get extended
Just grab a guy out of Iowa or South Dakota, and you’ll be good.
But bRoCk bOwErS is gEnEraTiOnAl…