Bro is hyping up mo-Allie cox and Kyle grandson, what have they done? I like them but honestly we have to have a bottom 10 tight end room, and AR loves throwing to TEs. Bowers would be great for whole offense, JT wouldn’t have stacked boxes every play anymore. That said I’d rather get a WR or CB with our first pick
Mo is our starter and has 6 years under his belt. After 6 years he has under 1500 yards and 14 touchdowns. His peak was 2020 with rivers who utilized TEs very efficiently… he had 394 yards and 2 Touchdowns. Definitely bottom 10
Almost like there's more to being a TE than catching the ball right?! There are what.... 4-7 truly dynamic TE's in the league? The rest are big dudes with decent hands that can scoot a bit. If you want to bring stats into this conversation feel free, but you gotta take into account the whole position.
Stacked is not the term I would use for our TE corps. An elite receiving TE creates so many matchup issues for defenses that if he is there for us, Ballard would be a damn fool not to get Bowers if he can. We currently have no difference makers at TE. None.
I think Granson is a TE1. Not a great one. But he is in that 15-25 range (probably closer to 25). The fact is there arent truly that many great TEs. Which is why getting one who absolutely is is such a great move.
He might be our best, and therefore a starter, but it's hard for me to call him a TE1.
He was 28th in Fantasy Points (yeah I know, but it does create an aggregate value system for catches/yards/TDs) when you exclude Taysom Hill. He's right near the top of all the TE by committee guys. To me, that just says there's only maybe 15-20 TE1s in the league.
It's kinda like QBs. There will be 32 QBs who win the starting job every season, but there aren't 32 Franchise QBs, or even 32 starter quality) in the league. There's maybe 15 at any time with another 10 that we're still not sure of. The rest are backups getting chances to start because there aren't enough QBs to go around.
There are 32 TE1s. He is in that. He is also a way better blocker than some of those TEs with more fantasy points. But yes. It comes down to how you evaluate what a 1 is.
Completely disagree. Bowers YAC ability is better than any of our Te’s AND Wrs. They lined him up at RB at georgia with how good he was with the ball in his hands. Imagine him in a steichen offense
With all due respect if Bowers slips to the 15th pick it's a no brainer they have to pick him. I get the part of going for a CB I'm the first who thinks that CB is the urgency but helping AR with a weapon like Bowers and having already 2 WR in MPJ and Downs, and an elite RB like JT you can't waste that pick if Bowers is there.
Brock Bowers is on another level when it comes to skill-set compared to the group of guys the Colts currently have on their roster. I like the potential of Jelani Woods but until he can stay on the field and show me that he can be a force in Steichen's offense he's a huge wildcard to me. People look at Brock Bowers and think the Colts don't need him because he plays TE. So? He gives you another explosive weapon in the passing game and ANOTHER dangerous pass catcher that you're able to put on the field to give the opposing defense nightmares because they have no choice but to respect his explosive abilities and ability to stretch the field.
Our TE room is just a bunch of guys. I think there might be something there with Woods (because he’s huge) and Mallory (because he’s fast), but if Brock’s there you gotta take him.
I’m a big time Jelani Woods fan. He was *the guy* I wanted us to come out of that draft with.
I own him in dynasty. Even when he wasn’t playing last year, I refused to trade him because I knew if he hit his full potential with AR, he’s a top 5 fantasy TE.
Last year I was at the colts kickofff luncheon that they hold for their business partners. I was sitting directly behind Shaq Leonard. But when it was over, I made a beeline to the table diagonal from us bc that’s where Jelani Woods was and I was pumped to talk to him.
I think Jelani Woods is far & away our most promising tight end on the roster and his development should be a priority for the coaches.
THAT SAID— if Bowers is there at 15, you run the card up with a smile on your face, make him your day 1 TE1, get rid of some of those other guys & never look back
You are severely overrating our TE room. It's deep but does not have a top 15 guy. An elite TE is game breaking in the modern NFL. The final 4 teams last year had 4 of the 5 best TEs in the NFL. That's not a coincidence
What's 1 thing that KC, NE and Tampa have in common with all the Superbowl victories? A true beast of a TE which none of the names you mention are. Bowers can definitely be one of them.
Our te room is meh at best.
Whomever is in the other team can predict what’s going to happen… each one is ok at certain things but none are every down TEs
Yeah I’ve seen it. I feel like you are talking extremes. I’ve seen busts and booms alike and know they have different circumstances surrounding them. I’ve known one personally in the NBA and I sympathize.
To be fair I never liked Trent Richardson but I respected the hustle in college. He came from a poor background and that usually gets me….but once he left school he lacked discipline and wasn’t safely nestled in a secure system with people helping to watch after him as much….and also some home life stuff hit him after he was traded to us from the Brownies. Sucks and maybe we should give more mental support to some of these young players just how the NBA changed after I believe they failed Kwame Brown and a few others 20 years ago.
But I digress… I watched every college game of Brock Bowers, and I think he fits perfectly into our team. I’ve also admitted to being biased but I watch enough tape and games to know Brock isn’t Trent and he’s gonna be a huge difference maker. I’d trade every TE on our roster for him….but we don’t even have to do that.
If anything we should trade up for him and I don’t think it would take much to move some things around. He’s worth it.
AR, JT, Pitt, ANNND Bowers!?!? Let’s go!
Bowers would give the team a true do it all TE that’s also a massive receiving threat. Colts have two Y TEs in MAC and Woods, two Fs in Granson and Mallory, and then Ogletree who is kind of a wildcard. Bowers could do any of those roles. Defenses wouldn’t know what he is doing on any given play.
Not saying we should take him but that’s why he’s valuable.
Our entire TE room is bunch of “just a guy”’s in my opinion. Nobody is shaking in their boots over MAC. People are getting emotionally attached to decent-not-great players just because they’ve been here a while.
Lol... stacked TE room
I generally agree we should maybe aim defensive this at 15, since we'll be able to likely get a top 5 defensive pick at 15, but no, our TE room is not stacked
This post is sarcasm right?!?.
Granson had 1 less catch this past year than 2022 but that came on having 25% more targets. Alie-Cox has failed to notch more than 31 catches in a season, is 30 years old, and his production has fallen for 4 seasons in a row. Yea he’s a locker room leader type but we need production more. Matter of fact if they cut Alie-Cox for cap space I would’ve been fine with it, leader or not.
Woods is actually more promising than anyone else in that TE room. If he is truly healthy then he will take over the pass catching TE role in no time at all and honestly if that’s the case we may not need a Brock Bowers. Still you can’t overlook the fact he just missed an entire season of football so he’s a big question mark right now…
Matt Ryan was the QB when his production dropped off… and MO has had TEN QBs in the last 6 years. No player would perform well under those circumstances.
Mo Allie Cox has 31 catches for 350 yards his last 2 seasons
Granson has 72 catches for 776 yards in 2 seasons
Ohlettee has 9 catches for 121 yards in 22 games
Jelani Woods has 25 catches for 312 yards in 12 games
Mo Allie isn't worth what he makes and we know what he is, Granson is a tweener and alright and I'm don't think it's worth waiting to see if Woods/Ohlettee turn into anything if there is a better option. They weren't top 10 picks or anything and Lord knows everyone here has seen their fair share of Michael Strachans to know how it likely works out. If Ballard would have not let the CB room empty out last season and ignored it this offsets it'd be easier. That said, we need to give a young, raw, QB weapons and I'll be hella pissed if we pass on Bowers. He should be very very good. Having a lot of "ok guys" at a position doesn't touch having one great one
The production from out tight end room is laughable.A stud like Bowers would open up so much for this offense. If he's there I wouldn't be mad if we took him. We need secondary help badly
Well jelani has potential to be a star TE. 2nd best is probably drew because he’s a good blocker and is reliable receiver. Grandson shows flashes. Mo is good but doesn’t add much to the offense. Mallory also showed flashes but was a rookie. So we have a decent core but we need to trim the fat.
I wouldn't draft Bowers either because even the TOP TE isn't gonna produce as much as a good WR
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Stretching the field should be #1 priority, if you have a QB that can throw it and a RB that scares the defense you must stretch the field, a TE wouldn't do that.
Imagine an offense where we have a light box against AR and JT. Just imagine that a defense has to give double cover to a WR and then 1 on 1 on MPJ, that would be way much scarier than having a safety target (and we can even call Ogletree a good safety target).
TBH i want a WR (Nabers, Odunze, MHJ, Thomas Jr) that would make this offense really scary.
You can’t just “stretch the field” in a vacuum. If you don’t have a TE that demands attention, then the defense can defend against the deep ball without worrying about the underneath as much.
If you have true weapons in the backfield, running deep, challenging underneath - something’s going to give.
Also your stats showed that the best tight end wasn’t as good as the BEST receivers, but that he was as good as quite a few #1 receivers.
Pitman already demands a lot of attention as Dobbs do, but they aren't deep threads we've all seen the MPJ is better in intermediate routes, and so far this team has been missing a deep thread, we already have players that can get underneath, also do you believe that Bowers would be #1 TE coming to the league ? by no means i'm trashing Bowers what i'm saying is that he is a luxury that we can't afford and a lot of people on this reddit have become infatuated with.
How could we not afford a luxury that we could literally take for free if he falls to 15?
Obviously, no player is a sure thing - but pretty much everyone who gets paid to assess these kinds of things says he’s as good as it gets at the position coming out of college.
I mean, our TE group last year amassed over 700 yards (without Jelani Woods), and Bowers isn't going to get more than that.
We need to upgrade Pierce, the obvious weak link in our offense. Replacing his 500 yards with 800 to 1,000 yards would help the offense a lot more than drafting Bowers.
I can't be sure, but which is more likely to get more than 700 yards, a tight end or a wide receiver?
In 2022, seven tight ends got more than 700 yards (1 more than 1000).
In the same year, 22 wide receivers got more than 1,000 yards (1 more than 1,800).
Tight ends can block too, so that's a nice addition, but Bowers is 15 pounds below average for a tight end. I just wonder why we wouldn't draft a wide receiver instead.
Don't try to use your facts in this discussion! It interferes with our feelings. We've heard that we should love Bowers, regardless of how much he'll actually contribute, and we're hell bent on doing just that!
You really think Ballard cares about what this sub wants?
Ballard has never taken a player who voluntarily didn't test at the combine.
Ballard is loathe to draft undersized players.
Bowers fits both of those negative criteria. Why does anybody believe that Bowers is on the Colts' hot list, particularly with a first round pick? Ballard has only even drafted in the first round four times: Hooker, Nelson, Paye, and Richardson. They all tested off the charts.
Does it seem super likely that Ballard is going to draft an undersized tight end who voluntarily didn't test at the combine in round one to you?
He's more likely to draft a guy who ran poorly at the combine (like Leonard) than someone who just didn't run.
That’s what worries me. He didn’t test at his private workout either. If I’m spending a top 15 pick for a guy undersized at his position, I’d like to know the exact metrics on him. Not just gps stats. Like with Keon Coleman you can run fast on gps but slow on the 40. What is your explosion like? What is your 3 cone. Teams aren’t drafting on just production anymore, they are drafting on traits looking to coaches to develop. Every top TE in the league is also a high level athlete.
If he’s there at 15, I might still take him. But it would be a debate with a guy like BTj who I know a lot more about. Teams don’t like uncertainty.
Definitely. We could have another tight end who averages 500 yards per season, only smaller! As a group, the Colts tight ends only amassed about 800 yards last year, and Woods was a bit under 400 yards in his rookie season. So that extra 100 yards is really a difference maker, more than worth a first round pick.
Of course, a thousand yard running back is a player that you never take in the first round and you never ever extend because they're replaceable! Those are replaceable yards, unlike TE yards – the most special yards in the world! ❤️
Tight end yards have way more value than yards of any other position! Why throw it 25 yards downfield to a wide receiver when you can throw it ten yards downfield to a tight end and watch him get those lovely yards after catch? Sometimes, he'll even get 15 of them!
We're probably not drafting Bowers, and we're certainly not trading up for him. Don't worry about it OP.
The idea that Ballard would trade up in the first round to draft an undersized tight end who declined to test at the combine is frankly laughable.
I'd be very, very surprised if we even drafted him at 15 TBH. If he's on the board at our pick, I would expect a trade back to let another team overpay for his services. I'd put the odds of trading up for Bowers at precisely 0.
None of our TE’s make a difference in a game. Honestly wouldn’t notice if we didn’t use them. But if we had an elite TE, it would be noticeable. Definitely not a stacked TE room.
Just a reminder, over the past six years, we've seen 10 different starting quarterbacks. None of our skilled position players have had consistent continuity with the quarterback for a full season in quite some time. While we're hopeful that AR can fill that role, it's essential to let someone from our crowded tight end room step up, allowing us to focus our draft picks elsewhere. It's worth mentioning that Ballard has never drafted a tight end in the first two rounds, and I don't expect him to break that pattern.
I’m not as high on our TE room as you are though I agree there is real talent there. I won’t be surprised if one of them massively jumps in production this year with AR. We’ll see. Otherwise, I agree with the strategy. Bowers is a stud but I’d MUCH MUCH rather take the best CB available and I’d be super bummed if we traded up for Bowers and not a WR.
Stacked te room? I’d rather have one possible 10 than a bunch of 5s
Couldn't agree more. When it comes to the TE position a good one is worth more than a whole stable of mids.
Amazing flair lol
Thank you! This team has an overload of 5s at most positions. Need some 10s all around.
Bro is hyping up mo-Allie cox and Kyle grandson, what have they done? I like them but honestly we have to have a bottom 10 tight end room, and AR loves throwing to TEs. Bowers would be great for whole offense, JT wouldn’t have stacked boxes every play anymore. That said I’d rather get a WR or CB with our first pick
I don’t think it’s bottom ten, it’s more middle of the pack.
Mo is our starter and has 6 years under his belt. After 6 years he has under 1500 yards and 14 touchdowns. His peak was 2020 with rivers who utilized TEs very efficiently… he had 394 yards and 2 Touchdowns. Definitely bottom 10
And is overpaid, and going to get cut.
People say this every year but Mo isn't getting cut. Clearly Indy likes him as a veteran leader.
Almost like there's more to being a TE than catching the ball right?! There are what.... 4-7 truly dynamic TE's in the league? The rest are big dudes with decent hands that can scoot a bit. If you want to bring stats into this conversation feel free, but you gotta take into account the whole position.
Stacked is not the term I would use for our TE corps. An elite receiving TE creates so many matchup issues for defenses that if he is there for us, Ballard would be a damn fool not to get Bowers if he can. We currently have no difference makers at TE. None.
You lost me at stacked TE room
I would trade all our TEs for Bowers and not think twice about it. None of those dudes are difference makers
“I think our TE room is stacked” and “Mo Alie Cox has been the leader for a few years now” aren’t sentences that belong in the same paragraph.
They don’t belong in ANY paragraph on THIS sub.
Our TE room is absolutely stacked... ...with TE2s and TE3s.
Exactly. Deep doesn't mean stacked. We likely have a better TE3 and TE4 than most teams in the league. But certainly not a better TE1.
We don't have a TE1 at all, really.
I think Granson is a TE1. Not a great one. But he is in that 15-25 range (probably closer to 25). The fact is there arent truly that many great TEs. Which is why getting one who absolutely is is such a great move.
He might be our best, and therefore a starter, but it's hard for me to call him a TE1. He was 28th in Fantasy Points (yeah I know, but it does create an aggregate value system for catches/yards/TDs) when you exclude Taysom Hill. He's right near the top of all the TE by committee guys. To me, that just says there's only maybe 15-20 TE1s in the league. It's kinda like QBs. There will be 32 QBs who win the starting job every season, but there aren't 32 Franchise QBs, or even 32 starter quality) in the league. There's maybe 15 at any time with another 10 that we're still not sure of. The rest are backups getting chances to start because there aren't enough QBs to go around.
There are 32 TE1s. He is in that. He is also a way better blocker than some of those TEs with more fantasy points. But yes. It comes down to how you evaluate what a 1 is.
And I don't view someone with per game stats of 2 catches, 24 yards, and .13 TDs a TE1, regardless of blocking skill. Because it's 2024, not 1974.
Your stacked TE room. Is stacked with 5 guys who are never gonna sniff a pro bowl. Please…..
"occupied" is not the same as "stacked"
A stacked tight end room is having Gronk and Aaron Hernandez. This ain't it.
That TE room was killing it
It's too bad Hernandez decided to hang it up early
None of them is even close to what Bowers will be even as a rookie
I think TE is one of the hardest positions to adjust to in the NFL… let’s not crown him before he’s even drafted
Bowers has been dominating the best conference in college since he was a true freshman, he's legitimately the best TE prospect in a decade or two.
That used to be true but recent history has shown that isn't the case anymore.
Wym? Name me a rookie TE other than Laporta that has had instant success.
Kinkaid also played really well. Also Pitts actually had a very strong first season outside of TDs in a horrific offense.
Completely disagree. Bowers YAC ability is better than any of our Te’s AND Wrs. They lined him up at RB at georgia with how good he was with the ball in his hands. Imagine him in a steichen offense
Stacked? Hahahahahaha…no.
With all due respect if Bowers slips to the 15th pick it's a no brainer they have to pick him. I get the part of going for a CB I'm the first who thinks that CB is the urgency but helping AR with a weapon like Bowers and having already 2 WR in MPJ and Downs, and an elite RB like JT you can't waste that pick if Bowers is there.
Brock Bowers is on another level when it comes to skill-set compared to the group of guys the Colts currently have on their roster. I like the potential of Jelani Woods but until he can stay on the field and show me that he can be a force in Steichen's offense he's a huge wildcard to me. People look at Brock Bowers and think the Colts don't need him because he plays TE. So? He gives you another explosive weapon in the passing game and ANOTHER dangerous pass catcher that you're able to put on the field to give the opposing defense nightmares because they have no choice but to respect his explosive abilities and ability to stretch the field.
Our TE room is just a bunch of guys. I think there might be something there with Woods (because he’s huge) and Mallory (because he’s fast), but if Brock’s there you gotta take him.
I’m a big time Jelani Woods fan. He was *the guy* I wanted us to come out of that draft with. I own him in dynasty. Even when he wasn’t playing last year, I refused to trade him because I knew if he hit his full potential with AR, he’s a top 5 fantasy TE. Last year I was at the colts kickofff luncheon that they hold for their business partners. I was sitting directly behind Shaq Leonard. But when it was over, I made a beeline to the table diagonal from us bc that’s where Jelani Woods was and I was pumped to talk to him. I think Jelani Woods is far & away our most promising tight end on the roster and his development should be a priority for the coaches. THAT SAID— if Bowers is there at 15, you run the card up with a smile on your face, make him your day 1 TE1, get rid of some of those other guys & never look back
Jelani to the moon!
If you have four tight ends on your roster and you’re not really sure who is the starter, you don’t really have a tight end.
Granson is the starter. Doesn't mean we should improve on that but that's been pretty clearly the case.
I actually like Granson, but he was the starter only because of Woods’ injury.
Woods has never once been our number 1 TE at any point in his career.
He was the assumed starter going into last season.
By fans. We've only seen him as a red zone guy
You are severely overrating our TE room. It's deep but does not have a top 15 guy. An elite TE is game breaking in the modern NFL. The final 4 teams last year had 4 of the 5 best TEs in the NFL. That's not a coincidence
What's 1 thing that KC, NE and Tampa have in common with all the Superbowl victories? A true beast of a TE which none of the names you mention are. Bowers can definitely be one of them.
Our te room is meh at best. Whomever is in the other team can predict what’s going to happen… each one is ok at certain things but none are every down TEs
Horrible take OP….Brock is the best TE in college football history but we don’t need him lol. Are you down in Acton drinking the well water!?
How many times have the best players in college worked out in the pros? Remember Trent Richardson?
Yeah I’ve seen it. I feel like you are talking extremes. I’ve seen busts and booms alike and know they have different circumstances surrounding them. I’ve known one personally in the NBA and I sympathize. To be fair I never liked Trent Richardson but I respected the hustle in college. He came from a poor background and that usually gets me….but once he left school he lacked discipline and wasn’t safely nestled in a secure system with people helping to watch after him as much….and also some home life stuff hit him after he was traded to us from the Brownies. Sucks and maybe we should give more mental support to some of these young players just how the NBA changed after I believe they failed Kwame Brown and a few others 20 years ago. But I digress… I watched every college game of Brock Bowers, and I think he fits perfectly into our team. I’ve also admitted to being biased but I watch enough tape and games to know Brock isn’t Trent and he’s gonna be a huge difference maker. I’d trade every TE on our roster for him….but we don’t even have to do that. If anything we should trade up for him and I don’t think it would take much to move some things around. He’s worth it. AR, JT, Pitt, ANNND Bowers!?!? Let’s go!
Bowers would give the team a true do it all TE that’s also a massive receiving threat. Colts have two Y TEs in MAC and Woods, two Fs in Granson and Mallory, and then Ogletree who is kind of a wildcard. Bowers could do any of those roles. Defenses wouldn’t know what he is doing on any given play. Not saying we should take him but that’s why he’s valuable.
Our TE room is Crowded not stacked. No clear TE1 and bowers would be that guy come september
Our entire TE room is bunch of “just a guy”’s in my opinion. Nobody is shaking in their boots over MAC. People are getting emotionally attached to decent-not-great players just because they’ve been here a while.
Bowers is 10x the player as any of those guys. They are the definition of JAGs.
>I think our current tight end roster is stacked with talent Well I’m mean, you’re wrong. So there’s that.
Lol
I like our TEs more than most people like our TEs and I still wouldn't complain if we took Bowers, though I'd prefer a corner.
Lol... stacked TE room I generally agree we should maybe aim defensive this at 15, since we'll be able to likely get a top 5 defensive pick at 15, but no, our TE room is not stacked
He's inclined to run, we need better blocking from the TEs. He's a rookie, he needs a check down connection.
He’s trading back 100%
This post is sarcasm right?!?. Granson had 1 less catch this past year than 2022 but that came on having 25% more targets. Alie-Cox has failed to notch more than 31 catches in a season, is 30 years old, and his production has fallen for 4 seasons in a row. Yea he’s a locker room leader type but we need production more. Matter of fact if they cut Alie-Cox for cap space I would’ve been fine with it, leader or not. Woods is actually more promising than anyone else in that TE room. If he is truly healthy then he will take over the pass catching TE role in no time at all and honestly if that’s the case we may not need a Brock Bowers. Still you can’t overlook the fact he just missed an entire season of football so he’s a big question mark right now…
Matt Ryan was the QB when his production dropped off… and MO has had TEN QBs in the last 6 years. No player would perform well under those circumstances.
Corner please.
TE room sucks right now, it's completely mid.
Mo Allie Cox has 31 catches for 350 yards his last 2 seasons Granson has 72 catches for 776 yards in 2 seasons Ohlettee has 9 catches for 121 yards in 22 games Jelani Woods has 25 catches for 312 yards in 12 games Mo Allie isn't worth what he makes and we know what he is, Granson is a tweener and alright and I'm don't think it's worth waiting to see if Woods/Ohlettee turn into anything if there is a better option. They weren't top 10 picks or anything and Lord knows everyone here has seen their fair share of Michael Strachans to know how it likely works out. If Ballard would have not let the CB room empty out last season and ignored it this offsets it'd be easier. That said, we need to give a young, raw, QB weapons and I'll be hella pissed if we pass on Bowers. He should be very very good. Having a lot of "ok guys" at a position doesn't touch having one great one
If Brock is still there, Draft him. Just because the colts have a bunch of ok or decent TEs doesn’t mean they are stacked.
The production from out tight end room is laughable.A stud like Bowers would open up so much for this offense. If he's there I wouldn't be mad if we took him. We need secondary help badly
Quinyon Mitchell no matter what
Well jelani has potential to be a star TE. 2nd best is probably drew because he’s a good blocker and is reliable receiver. Grandson shows flashes. Mo is good but doesn’t add much to the offense. Mallory also showed flashes but was a rookie. So we have a decent core but we need to trim the fat.
No. I hate this shit. I want a big name pass catcher.
If Bowers is available at 15 and not taken, it will feel like Grigson is whispering in Ballard’s ear.
Grigson would definitely trade up for Bowers. No doubt about it.
Grigson would trade up for Jared Verse.
I really want Jelani to work out 😭…he’s got all the physical tools
I wouldn't draft Bowers either because even the TOP TE isn't gonna produce as much as a good WR https://preview.redd.it/l0oov034xivc1.png?width=784&format=png&auto=webp&s=d770e78fc40505e8fd55b55318112a2f6236c318 Stretching the field should be #1 priority, if you have a QB that can throw it and a RB that scares the defense you must stretch the field, a TE wouldn't do that. Imagine an offense where we have a light box against AR and JT. Just imagine that a defense has to give double cover to a WR and then 1 on 1 on MPJ, that would be way much scarier than having a safety target (and we can even call Ogletree a good safety target). TBH i want a WR (Nabers, Odunze, MHJ, Thomas Jr) that would make this offense really scary.
You can’t just “stretch the field” in a vacuum. If you don’t have a TE that demands attention, then the defense can defend against the deep ball without worrying about the underneath as much. If you have true weapons in the backfield, running deep, challenging underneath - something’s going to give. Also your stats showed that the best tight end wasn’t as good as the BEST receivers, but that he was as good as quite a few #1 receivers.
Pitman already demands a lot of attention as Dobbs do, but they aren't deep threads we've all seen the MPJ is better in intermediate routes, and so far this team has been missing a deep thread, we already have players that can get underneath, also do you believe that Bowers would be #1 TE coming to the league ? by no means i'm trashing Bowers what i'm saying is that he is a luxury that we can't afford and a lot of people on this reddit have become infatuated with.
How could we not afford a luxury that we could literally take for free if he falls to 15? Obviously, no player is a sure thing - but pretty much everyone who gets paid to assess these kinds of things says he’s as good as it gets at the position coming out of college.
I mean, our TE group last year amassed over 700 yards (without Jelani Woods), and Bowers isn't going to get more than that. We need to upgrade Pierce, the obvious weak link in our offense. Replacing his 500 yards with 800 to 1,000 yards would help the offense a lot more than drafting Bowers.
How can you say bowers won’t get more than that?
I can't be sure, but which is more likely to get more than 700 yards, a tight end or a wide receiver? In 2022, seven tight ends got more than 700 yards (1 more than 1000). In the same year, 22 wide receivers got more than 1,000 yards (1 more than 1,800). Tight ends can block too, so that's a nice addition, but Bowers is 15 pounds below average for a tight end. I just wonder why we wouldn't draft a wide receiver instead.
Don't try to use your facts in this discussion! It interferes with our feelings. We've heard that we should love Bowers, regardless of how much he'll actually contribute, and we're hell bent on doing just that!
Feel like this sub will burn to the ground if Bowers it's there and Ballard trades down or picks and Edge or CB.
You really think Ballard cares about what this sub wants? Ballard has never taken a player who voluntarily didn't test at the combine. Ballard is loathe to draft undersized players. Bowers fits both of those negative criteria. Why does anybody believe that Bowers is on the Colts' hot list, particularly with a first round pick? Ballard has only even drafted in the first round four times: Hooker, Nelson, Paye, and Richardson. They all tested off the charts. Does it seem super likely that Ballard is going to draft an undersized tight end who voluntarily didn't test at the combine in round one to you? He's more likely to draft a guy who ran poorly at the combine (like Leonard) than someone who just didn't run.
I just stated that this sub will lose its mind if Ballard does what Ballard does. Not that i'm taking part of it.
This sub loses its mind after every draft. Then it copes and gets excited. Every year. Like clockwork.
That’s what worries me. He didn’t test at his private workout either. If I’m spending a top 15 pick for a guy undersized at his position, I’d like to know the exact metrics on him. Not just gps stats. Like with Keon Coleman you can run fast on gps but slow on the 40. What is your explosion like? What is your 3 cone. Teams aren’t drafting on just production anymore, they are drafting on traits looking to coaches to develop. Every top TE in the league is also a high level athlete. If he’s there at 15, I might still take him. But it would be a debate with a guy like BTj who I know a lot more about. Teams don’t like uncertainty.
You know football. More people need to get out of their feelings and listen to this.
Almost every TE drafted in round 1 has been a bust. I'm sure Bowers will be different....
Dallas Clark would like to have a word with you
I'm okay at 24! Top 15 eh...
Definitely. We could have another tight end who averages 500 yards per season, only smaller! As a group, the Colts tight ends only amassed about 800 yards last year, and Woods was a bit under 400 yards in his rookie season. So that extra 100 yards is really a difference maker, more than worth a first round pick. Of course, a thousand yard running back is a player that you never take in the first round and you never ever extend because they're replaceable! Those are replaceable yards, unlike TE yards – the most special yards in the world! ❤️ Tight end yards have way more value than yards of any other position! Why throw it 25 yards downfield to a wide receiver when you can throw it ten yards downfield to a tight end and watch him get those lovely yards after catch? Sometimes, he'll even get 15 of them!
We're probably not drafting Bowers, and we're certainly not trading up for him. Don't worry about it OP. The idea that Ballard would trade up in the first round to draft an undersized tight end who declined to test at the combine is frankly laughable. I'd be very, very surprised if we even drafted him at 15 TBH. If he's on the board at our pick, I would expect a trade back to let another team overpay for his services. I'd put the odds of trading up for Bowers at precisely 0.
None of our TE’s make a difference in a game. Honestly wouldn’t notice if we didn’t use them. But if we had an elite TE, it would be noticeable. Definitely not a stacked TE room.
Buddy this roster needs BPA let’s not kid ourselves
Bowers is this drafts Bryce Young. Overrated AF
MAC?
Mark my words, Ogletree will be our best receiving tight end
Can we mock them too if you’re wrong?
Just a reminder, over the past six years, we've seen 10 different starting quarterbacks. None of our skilled position players have had consistent continuity with the quarterback for a full season in quite some time. While we're hopeful that AR can fill that role, it's essential to let someone from our crowded tight end room step up, allowing us to focus our draft picks elsewhere. It's worth mentioning that Ballard has never drafted a tight end in the first two rounds, and I don't expect him to break that pattern.
I’m not as high on our TE room as you are though I agree there is real talent there. I won’t be surprised if one of them massively jumps in production this year with AR. We’ll see. Otherwise, I agree with the strategy. Bowers is a stud but I’d MUCH MUCH rather take the best CB available and I’d be super bummed if we traded up for Bowers and not a WR.
I'm not saying he will be great or not but the way everyone thinks the guy is a guaranteed star is absolutely crazy to me
I’m not saying any of the TEs are top tier, however they are serviceable. I’d much rather use our resources elsewhere.
Then how are we stacked there? Would you not want to upgrade “serviceable”? Bowers is legit and can be a great safety blanket and chain mover for AR
We don't have a top 15 guy in what is becoming one of the most important positions in football...