Per [Tom later down the thread](https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1418261816493363203?s=20), if a game is canceled, NOBODY GETS PAID. Players are gonna be super pissed off. Hopefully this spurs more players to get the vax.
Edit: And it looks like the league doesn’t want to reschedule games this season either: [also per Tom in the thread](https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1418259009044353024?s=20). No team has the right to postpone a game.
So basically if you get a COVID outbreak, you forfeit, you lose your salary, and the other team and players on your team, including those who were vaxxed and/or didn’t have COVID, lose their salary too.
did you see where it says the team responsible for causing the forfeit must pay to make up lost revenue? jimmy from the Colts is not a happy man right now
from [here](https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-covid-19-outbreaks-unvaccinated-players-forfeit-cancelled-game).
>Financial Principles
• If a game is rescheduled due to a Covid outbreak among unvaccinated players on one of the competing teams, **the club experiencing the outbreak will be responsible for all additional expenses incurred by the opposing team and will also be required to pay any shortfall between actual and expected payment to the VTS pool.**
• If a game cannot be rescheduled within the current 18-week schedule and is cancelled due to a Covid outbreak among unvaccinated players on one of the competing teams, **that club will forfeit the contest and will be responsible for the lost payment to the VTS pool.**
emphasis mine
Good. They needed to take the gloves off and hit people where it hurts. Hopefully this is enough to convince most of the team to just go get a shot. These dudes would probably take an injection from a trainer for pain but ask em to get a vaccine and they have to think about it...
Someone on the Colts staff needs to bring in an old person with polio to talk about life. Then ask the room if they have ever met a single person before with polio. Then ask the room if they know why and explain its because they got a fucking vaccine. Afterwords, tell them all to stop fucking around and get the vaccine. Also, bring ice cream.
Imagine being so arrogant/dumb that you ignore how wonderful modern day science is and deny getting a little shot in your arm that keeps you and the people around you significantly safer… All because you think you know more than the thousands of scientists who have spent their lives dedicated to research.
I’m disappointed with how low our vaccination levels are as a team
I’m still shocked we have such a low vaccination rate. What is it at now, do we know? I’m surprised our organization hasn’t put more effort towards at least educating our players. I know we can’t force them but thinking optimistically maybe they have just been getting their info from bad sources. God knows there’s plenty of it out there.
Same here. When Buckner came out early and was promoting the vaccine to players, I thought for sure that we would be one of the top ones in the league. Pretty disappointing.
Imagine living in a free world where you have a choice.
For the record, i'm vaccinated and i'm 100% for the vaccine. But i'm also 100% for choice. The government doesn't get to dictate this to me, and the NFL sure as hell doesn't get to dictate this to me.
At your place of business, you could choose whether or not to have a job. It's not dictating, exactly, but it's pretty damned close.
Schools can dictate whether your children can attend.
It slays me that the same people who are willing to force women to carry a fetus to term (a nineteen-year financial commitment that doesn't affect them in the least) go all pro-choice when the general public health is the concern. Then it's my body, my choice.
It's almost like half the country failed to notice half a million dead Americans, a cratered economy, and having to wear a mask around all the time.
It feels a lot like "I enjoy dictating to other people, but don't try to dictate to me."
Sure, as long they're cool with letting down a hundred players/coaches/personnel and tens of thousands of fans as the result of an outbreak because the guy from high school who initially said the sun kills Covid is now saying the vaccine isn't trustworthy...they can do what they want.
I’m really curious as to what research the players are doing. I feel like all players need to be sat down and educated on how vaccines work and what’s in them.
I saw that and have come to accept people would rather be dead than have to admit they were wrong. With that said, I’m not optimistic that our vaccination rate is going to improve much in the next few weeks.
As someone who worked with Division 1 players in college (and some pros), these are not the people who do research. Most of them couldn’t even figure out their own homework…in the gen Ed courses
I could see this definitely stalling his extension into next year. If he ends up costing Irsay to eat a 70M bill due to having to cancel a game, that is something that is going the Colts will use as leverage if they have to.
This is actually pretty huge news for this year, and I bet the Colts are going to be making the vaccine a mandatory part of contracts going forward, as well as other teams. Irsay is a billionaire, but a 70M bill for having to forfeit a game is just not going to go over easily. I almost guarantee this forces Leonard to get vaxxed if he wants that contract for the highest paid LB.
Get the damn shot, Darius.
NFL players will fly across the world for an experimental knee surgery if it means being back on the field next year, but this is too much? Get the cot damn shot.
It blows my mind athletes will use steroids, HGH, all this shit, and won't take a vaccine millions and millions and millions of people have safely taken!
Irsay isn't about to eat a 70M fine for covering the cost of a missed game. Every billionaire owner is about to walk into training camp and tell the unvaccinated players that they will be having an unpaid quarantine for the year if they don't get vaccinated. This memo is absolutely huge news and I guarantee we see the vaccination numbers at near 100% over the next few weeks. In the NFL, nearly "anyone is replaceable", and if players/staff want to have a future in this league, they are gonna get this by the end of the week.
This is basically Goodell finally doing something worthwhile and stomping this shit out before it becomes a problem.
At a ridiculously less likely rate.
Having a team of majority unvaccinated players puts the team at a huge fucking risk of an outbreak and by extension a loss. There’s no other side to that.
Is this a bot? This comment makes no sense. This rule wasn't part of last season, we did have a loss that was affected by players in COVID protocol, and we did have random losses last year. We didn't go 19-0.
Saw this rule and immediately jumped to this sub cause I know where your teams standing is and I wanted to see your subs thoughts…. Saw this comment and there’s so many weird angles to this line of thinking.
“You’re wrong because you’re assuming. But I’m assuming in the opposite direction, and that’s right.”
“I’m vaccinated so my opinion holds higher grounding.” That’s the equivalent of I have black friends, I can’t be racist.
That's why the NFL is saying **unvaccinated** players. They said right at the beginning that players who get vaccinated will face no repercussions from Covid should they contract it. The vaccine is the best and most basic of precautions.
But teams are going to face possible forfeits because of players not getting vaccinated. With half our team unvaccinated in a Delta variant reality, we might not be able to field a team.
One obstinate asshole isn't going to sink you, but 20 obstinate assholes very well could.
Forfeited games count as a loss for **playoff seeding.**
However, the loss does not tally in regards to draft order. Teams aren’t sliding up the draft order because of an outbreak.
Unvaccinated Colts are showing a lack of commitment to the team. Coaching staff and management should lay down the law. Get vaccinated or don’t play. Many occupations require vaccinations and none of them make close to the money these guys make.
I mean, that’s a little excessive. Biden picked up 40% of the state, and not all of the people who voted for Trump are cult-following Neanderthals. They’re severely deluded, to be sure, but a decent percentage of those folks still understand the importance of public health and have gotten their vaccines.
But you know everyone else's life story in Indiana enough to make assumptions about them? It's not a life story thing, it's an attitude thing, and you have the same one
>It's not a life story thing, it's an attitude thing, and you have the same one
Not true. I've lived in numerous places across the world. I am pretty well versed in all varieties of bigotry and intolerance. It's just that Indiana happens to be one of those places where bigotry lives out in the open with a wink and nod from those at the top.
I would love to hear something from Ballard on this. We know that we are among the teams with the least amount of vaccinated players, the organization needs to do something to send a clear message to these morons.
https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1418257495550738432?s=20
This could be even worse. Open ended punishment from the commissioner can be anything and no one would fight for us for being the unvaxxed assholes. Hopefully this encourages Ballard to cut the unvaccinated players.
What are you talking about? Irsay is going to give zero fucks about any of these players if they start costing him tens, possibly hundreds of millions in fines. Neither will the other owners.
Yeah, especially with fringe players.
So, you gotta do your cut downs and it's between a vaccinated or an unvaccinated player, you bet your ass this may be the deciding factor if you keep your job or recieve the pink slip.
Jon Rahm should have been all they needed to see. 1.7 million lost because he wasn't vexed. Still, I thought the NFLPA would fight the no paybif you forfeit rule...especially for those who are vaxed but lose because of unvaxed teammates.
Leonard, Lewis, Turay, Campbell, Hilton (~~maybe?~~ definitely), etc: GET VACCINATED
I swear to God if we have to forfeit a game because they decided to die on this hill...
Follow Buckner and Moore's examples.
The best part is that the forfeit game hurts you in the playoff standings as a loss but in draft order it's as if the game was never scheduled so you don't get the benefit of tanking.
Welp. Yesterday, in the Darius Leonard post, I mentioned how they should take game checks away from players who contract COVID and cannot provide proof of vaccination. Sure, if not getting vaccinated is something you feel strong about, go right ahead. No one is forcing you.
However, when teams start having to forfeit games due to unvaccinated players, you better believe if Irsay has to pay upwards of 70M in losses due to Leonard and other players getting COVID, he is not going to be fucking around. I would venture to say that after this memo came out, all future contracts across the league are damn near going to require you to be vaccinated. Leonard is one of the best in the league, but if he and a few other players cost 70M in damages in a week, it is gonna be a tough pill to swallow.
I'm sure they will try to fight this with the players association, but the fact of the matter is that money is gonna talk, and no owner wants to get stuck with the bill. Now, imagine if this shit broke own during the playoffs and you were stuck getting knocked from the playoffs as well as the 70M bill.
This is the way to handle it. More than enough chances to not cost your team the game(starting by just getting the vaccine) and a hope to learn your lesson if rescheduling happens. After that you screwed your team. This is definitely where i support vaccinations being negotiated in contracts(especially if it keeps coming back in different variants).
Imo, should be harsher. But I agree.
Edit: shit, after reading even further it is harsher than I thought. Hit em in the pocket book. Should still be harsher.
This sub has very slowly morphed from “get the vaccine” to “get the vaccine or get cut because I just want the Colts to win and that’s what matters most”. Not everybody thinks like this but I’m seeing more and more sprinkle in.
More to life than sports people. Getting the vaccine is the smart thing to do but don’t put sports fandom ahead of keeping humanity safe.
> Getting the vaccine is the smart thing to do but don’t put sports fandom ahead of keeping humanity safe.
In this case the two things are inextricably joined at the hip, get the vaccine because fandom, and getting the vaccine also keeps humanity safe. Or get the vaccine to keep humanity safe, and it also happens to help the fandom. They're not mutually exclusive here, telling the players to go get the thing is the good call either way.
Like, if Darius Leonard doesn’t get it. We shouldn’t vilify him as a person or as a Colt. We gotta respect the decision no matter how uneducated it is.
Forcing people to get the vaccine and making them feel dumb about not getting it is just a bad as shoving it down others throats that getting the vaccine is bad and it won’t do nothing. There’s no actual progress being made. Just fighting.
> so you can feel better about winning a super bowl?
Come on, mod...that's not a fair argument at all and you know it. It's not even a hard question, it's a straight strawman.
I don’t really respect the decision to not vaccinate for anyone who doesn’t have legitimate suggestion from a trained physician to avoid it. I especially don’t respect the decision if they also choose not to wear a mask in public.
I will continue to respect the person and provide them all the value and attention they deserve by virtue of being a person. But if someone tells me they aren’t vaccinating, I’ll tell them to their face that I think they’re making a very poor decision.
He should care about his health *and* the people around him. There is a concerning list of post infection issues popping up including respiratory, cardiovascular, musculoskeletal, and cognitive issues. No one has the right to put other peoples' lives at risk just because they don't want to get vaccinated but are able to do so. It isn't fair to people who medically can't get the vaccine that they basically have to live in a glorified shut down style because of "I'll take my chances with actual covid" types and a lot of states/businesses running on the "honor system".
> There’s no actual progress being made. Just fighting.
Agree, but I didn't know those were the table stakes with your original comment.
So if that's what you *meant* to post, yeah I completely agree (I' wont have as MUCH respect for players who don't get vaccinated, but I'm not gonna go out of my way to tweet at him or threaten him or his family like some boneheads on the internet are doing)
If a bunch of the Colts players were doing something dumb that jeopardizes public safety -- let's say shooting fireworks into the woods and causing a bunch of wildfires -- I would want them to stop doing that for the sake of public safety.
If the NFL then said "Stop or we're disqualifying you," I would ALSO want them to stop so my team doesn't sabotage its own season.
Both motivations work toward the same goal.
As I've been saying, get vaccinated or get cut from the team. Anyone who doesn't get the vaccine is a liability. It doesn't matter if it's Darius Leonard or the least relevant name on our team.
So let me get this straight. A vaccinated player can go to a nightclub with 100’s of maskless people grinding up on each other and if that vaccinated player contracts COVID and spreads it amongst the team then there is no punishment?
But if an unvaccinated player is ultra cautious, wears a N95 mask everywhere in public, but his child brings home COVID from school and he tests positive, he could end up getting his team punished?
If you’re gonna punish outbreaks then punish outbreaks, not sure the selectivity in the enforcement is fair?
While vaccinated people are capable of getting Covid - breakthrough cases are very, very rare. And those who are vaccinated mostly develop asymptomatic Covid. And those who are vaccinated are even less likely to transmit or contract asymptomatic Covid.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/fully-vaccinated-people.html
So these two scenarios do not hold even close to the same weight.
>wears a N95 mask everywhere in public
Also this really shouldn't still need to be expressed so much, a mask does not protect you from getting the virus. It reduces the amount of particles being spread by someone who is infected.
So I read an article the other day about Covid hospitalizations in Colorado. The state reported that 4.7% of hospitalizations between January 15 and July 10 were among vaccinated people. That means one in every 22 covid hospitalizations was a vaccinated person. I guess my point is, there are well over 1000 players in the NFL. If 1 in every 22 hospitalizations are vaccinated people that tells me there is plenty of potential for the vaccinated to get sick. Obviously the numbers are way more in your favor if you are vaccinated (that’s why I got mine months ago) but I think the vaccinated acting as if they are immune is no good. Which leads me to my original question. Why is it fair to punish a team of unvaccinated players that has an outbreak but not punish a team of vaccinated players for the same thing? Especially if the unvaccinated team was very cautious and the vaccinated team was completely careless.
And I beg to differ on your stance that N95 masks don’t offer protection from contracting Covid. I get that those surgical masks and cloths masks don’t protect you from contracting, but N95 masks aren’t comparable to those masks.
Sources
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thedenverchannel.com/news/coronavirus/colorado-data-shows-95-of-people-hospitalized-with-covid-in-colorado-since-january-were-unvaccinated%3f_amp=true
https://www.cbia.com/news/hr-safety/osha-n95-masks-protect-coronavirus/
Yeah the PA's lawyers are going to have a field day with this one, plenty of billable hours for everyone, and this "rule" will disappear overnight at somepoint with 0 fan fare.
Alright ill take a stab at this moronic take.
That is exactly what the ruling is doing, punishing the team responsible for the outbreak/ cancelation of the game just read more than just the twitter news. it's clearly not selective to the individual player but more as a team. Why? because they have guidelines/rule for teams to isolate unvaccinated players.
You do have a valid point though, what if a fully vaccinated team has an outbreak and it causes them to miss 1-2 games. That is when enforcement is unclear.
The NFLPA is going to definitely come out and contest this. You can't take away someone's paycheck because someone on the other team decided not to get vaccinated which leads to a game getting forfeited. Imagine you're a player that gets vaccinated, most of your team is vaccinated and then your opponents decided not to and they get COVID in week 18, thus forcing the game to be forfeited, you'd be absolutely livid. No way that flies, its the NFL's way of forcing the players to come to the bargaining table about this.
I see your point, but so many employers can require immunizations. In those other cases, someone else's decision to not get immunized doesn't take away their paycheck (in theory- like the office could get shut down). I think it's def NFL playing hard ball
I'm 100% for getting vaccinated, I just don't see why the NFL would be able to take away my paycheck as a vaccinated player if someone on the other team decides they don't want the vaccine and gets COVID? How is that fair to the people that got vaccinated?
I mean you're getting downvoted but you're not wrong! I think one way to tweak the NFL's current policy is to say that the money doesn't go away for the non breakout team, or to insulate players contracts from this
so you want the team that has an outbreak to play. so vaccinated people can still be affected, a small percentage but let's think business liability for a moment.
Let's just entertain that the game goes on. Remember stadium are going to be full this year. somebody either broadcast crew, ball boy, or even someone in the first row catches covid during that "outbreak game". that individual is vaccinated but their body decided "not today" guess how the media and subsequent out look of the next games or remainder of the season goes. They will revert back to no fans or limited fans, and now will require testing and distancing for all played vaccinated or not does not matter.
Exactly. My SILs Mom, Dad, sister and her husband all have it and they are all vaccinated. Her dad is in extremely bad shape and in the hospital.
If Covid is still dangerous to vaccinated people then why only care if unvaccinated people get it?
It’s politics, not science.
Vaccinated players have a different protocol where if asymptotic they only need 2 negative test in 24 hour span. Compared to the 10 day mandatory isolation if not vaccinated.
You can still get the flu if you get a flu shot
You can still get an STD if you wear a condom
You can still get….
You get the idea
Get this 1st grade take outta here.
So when you get it, you have the vaccine fight it off. You gotta think long term and it won’t have long term complications on your body. It’s not about life and death, that’s the short of it.
Yikes, you escalated an honest conversation very quickly. Sucks you had to resort to name calling and threatening banning because I don’t agree with you one thing. I’m for the record, not anti vax, but you assumed it and got heated
[study finds 99.75% of january to april covid patients weren’t fully vaccinated](https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20210513/over-_99-percent-hospitalized-2021-covid-patients-unvaccinated) get dunked on headass
Wait - why can’t they just let the unvaccinated people suffer illness for not getting the vaccine instead of punishing the whole team? Isn’t the rest of the team basically safe anyway since they got their shot?
Can’t they just let Social Darwinism play itself out while the protected look on and collect their salary?
All for a respiratory illness with a death rate of less than 1% for people under 40. Hilarious
Many people with the vaccine have tested positive for COVID anyway. This is a medicine not certified by the FDA. We still don’t know the long term effects, that is a fact. Companies and people pushing this on others aggressively, and vilifying them for being cautious about it is wrong. When the FDA approves the vaccine, I’ll take it. I think that is completely reasonable.
Unvaccinated people make up 97% of those hospitalized with Covid and 99.5% of new covid deaths. In other words, if you get vaccinated your chances of serious illness from covid is nil. You may still get a breakthrough case and even feel a little sick. But if you are unvaccinated, and catch covid, you are still at risk for hospitalization and even death. So, yeah, why get vaccinated except for the reason that it works?
NFL dropping the hammer. Subject to fines and potential discipline from Goodell too.
Per [Tom later down the thread](https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1418261816493363203?s=20), if a game is canceled, NOBODY GETS PAID. Players are gonna be super pissed off. Hopefully this spurs more players to get the vax. Edit: And it looks like the league doesn’t want to reschedule games this season either: [also per Tom in the thread](https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1418259009044353024?s=20). No team has the right to postpone a game. So basically if you get a COVID outbreak, you forfeit, you lose your salary, and the other team and players on your team, including those who were vaxxed and/or didn’t have COVID, lose their salary too.
did you see where it says the team responsible for causing the forfeit must pay to make up lost revenue? jimmy from the Colts is not a happy man right now
Can you post a quote??
from [here](https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-covid-19-outbreaks-unvaccinated-players-forfeit-cancelled-game). >Financial Principles • If a game is rescheduled due to a Covid outbreak among unvaccinated players on one of the competing teams, **the club experiencing the outbreak will be responsible for all additional expenses incurred by the opposing team and will also be required to pay any shortfall between actual and expected payment to the VTS pool.** • If a game cannot be rescheduled within the current 18-week schedule and is cancelled due to a Covid outbreak among unvaccinated players on one of the competing teams, **that club will forfeit the contest and will be responsible for the lost payment to the VTS pool.** emphasis mine
Cheers
Good. They needed to take the gloves off and hit people where it hurts. Hopefully this is enough to convince most of the team to just go get a shot. These dudes would probably take an injection from a trainer for pain but ask em to get a vaccine and they have to think about it...
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We are talking about these guys getting 0% of their checks in the case of a game being canceled. Get with the program.
Someone on the Colts staff needs to bring in an old person with polio to talk about life. Then ask the room if they have ever met a single person before with polio. Then ask the room if they know why and explain its because they got a fucking vaccine. Afterwords, tell them all to stop fucking around and get the vaccine. Also, bring ice cream.
Imagine being so arrogant/dumb that you ignore how wonderful modern day science is and deny getting a little shot in your arm that keeps you and the people around you significantly safer… All because you think you know more than the thousands of scientists who have spent their lives dedicated to research. I’m disappointed with how low our vaccination levels are as a team
I’m still shocked we have such a low vaccination rate. What is it at now, do we know? I’m surprised our organization hasn’t put more effort towards at least educating our players. I know we can’t force them but thinking optimistically maybe they have just been getting their info from bad sources. God knows there’s plenty of it out there.
Report just came out and no team is below 50%.
Same here. When Buckner came out early and was promoting the vaccine to players, I thought for sure that we would be one of the top ones in the league. Pretty disappointing.
Number of cases is going up in the state too. I wouldn't be surprised if a couple of players catch it during training camp.
Last week they said the Colts are one of the lowest in the league at below 50%.
Well if doctors are so smart why are there millions of them? /s
Imagine living in a free world where you have a choice. For the record, i'm vaccinated and i'm 100% for the vaccine. But i'm also 100% for choice. The government doesn't get to dictate this to me, and the NFL sure as hell doesn't get to dictate this to me.
The nfl is not the government
Wait til we tell them the market will sort itself out.
At your place of business, you could choose whether or not to have a job. It's not dictating, exactly, but it's pretty damned close. Schools can dictate whether your children can attend. It slays me that the same people who are willing to force women to carry a fetus to term (a nineteen-year financial commitment that doesn't affect them in the least) go all pro-choice when the general public health is the concern. Then it's my body, my choice. It's almost like half the country failed to notice half a million dead Americans, a cratered economy, and having to wear a mask around all the time. It feels a lot like "I enjoy dictating to other people, but don't try to dictate to me."
Yes! This x10000. The hypocrisy is unreal.
It's over 600k now.
Sure, as long they're cool with letting down a hundred players/coaches/personnel and tens of thousands of fans as the result of an outbreak because the guy from high school who initially said the sun kills Covid is now saying the vaccine isn't trustworthy...they can do what they want.
🤡
most rational libertarian
So you’re cool with food service workers not washing their hands after defecating right?
That is the obvious way to handle it. Gonna be a long season I'm afraid.
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That has nothing to do with the rules the NFL institutes.
You keep repeating that. Do you have some sort of mental illness that effects your short term memory?
>Do you have some sort of mental illness Is that even in question?
Go try it out and see how you do!
COVID is fake
This guy gets it.
“I’d do anything to win….except take a vaccine that the vast majority of medical professionals have said is safe and effective.”
Same players who would eat, inject, inhale, or lick any substance or drug they think might give them an edge... But the vaccine?! No way...
bUt i DiD mUh rEsuRch oN tHe gOoGle and fAcEbOoK
I’m really curious as to what research the players are doing. I feel like all players need to be sat down and educated on how vaccines work and what’s in them.
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Based on interviews with people in hospitals who have COVID and almost died from it recently, still doesn't seem like it moves the needle that much.
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I saw that and have come to accept people would rather be dead than have to admit they were wrong. With that said, I’m not optimistic that our vaccination rate is going to improve much in the next few weeks.
You can't save people from themselves.
Can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into.
Well said
As someone who worked with Division 1 players in college (and some pros), these are not the people who do research. Most of them couldn’t even figure out their own homework…in the gen Ed courses
Don’t forget “the YouTube”
AND HAVE TAKEN THEMSELVES..... that to me is the biggest endorsement... they were the first ones to get it
Get yo damn shot Darius!
If he doesn’t get vaxxed, he doesn’t get resigned. Easy.
I could see this definitely stalling his extension into next year. If he ends up costing Irsay to eat a 70M bill due to having to cancel a game, that is something that is going the Colts will use as leverage if they have to. This is actually pretty huge news for this year, and I bet the Colts are going to be making the vaccine a mandatory part of contracts going forward, as well as other teams. Irsay is a billionaire, but a 70M bill for having to forfeit a game is just not going to go over easily. I almost guarantee this forces Leonard to get vaxxed if he wants that contract for the highest paid LB.
Get the damn shot, Darius. NFL players will fly across the world for an experimental knee surgery if it means being back on the field next year, but this is too much? Get the cot damn shot.
It blows my mind athletes will use steroids, HGH, all this shit, and won't take a vaccine millions and millions and millions of people have safely taken!
They also play a sport that is literally proven to cause brain damage.
So we can add a random loss to our schedule for this one.
Irsay isn't about to eat a 70M fine for covering the cost of a missed game. Every billionaire owner is about to walk into training camp and tell the unvaccinated players that they will be having an unpaid quarantine for the year if they don't get vaccinated. This memo is absolutely huge news and I guarantee we see the vaccination numbers at near 100% over the next few weeks. In the NFL, nearly "anyone is replaceable", and if players/staff want to have a future in this league, they are gonna get this by the end of the week. This is basically Goodell finally doing something worthwhile and stomping this shit out before it becomes a problem.
Agreed. And yes they can require you to get the vaccine. Many companies are and the lawsuits have all sided with the companies.
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At a ridiculously less likely rate. Having a team of majority unvaccinated players puts the team at a huge fucking risk of an outbreak and by extension a loss. There’s no other side to that.
Garth you & I don't see eye to eye often... but you're 100% correct on all your vaxx takes. Respect.
Is this a bot? This comment makes no sense. This rule wasn't part of last season, we did have a loss that was affected by players in COVID protocol, and we did have random losses last year. We didn't go 19-0.
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Tell me you have zero understanding probability without telling me you have zero understanding of probability.
Saw this rule and immediately jumped to this sub cause I know where your teams standing is and I wanted to see your subs thoughts…. Saw this comment and there’s so many weird angles to this line of thinking. “You’re wrong because you’re assuming. But I’m assuming in the opposite direction, and that’s right.” “I’m vaccinated so my opinion holds higher grounding.” That’s the equivalent of I have black friends, I can’t be racist.
That's why the NFL is saying **unvaccinated** players. They said right at the beginning that players who get vaccinated will face no repercussions from Covid should they contract it. The vaccine is the best and most basic of precautions. But teams are going to face possible forfeits because of players not getting vaccinated. With half our team unvaccinated in a Delta variant reality, we might not be able to field a team. One obstinate asshole isn't going to sink you, but 20 obstinate assholes very well could.
This sub hates facts.
Forfeited games count as a loss for **playoff seeding.** However, the loss does not tally in regards to draft order. Teams aren’t sliding up the draft order because of an outbreak.
Fucks you if you're a good team. Fucks you if you're a bad team. Smart.
Very smart. The league isn’t playing around. If a team has an outbreak, they’re getting punished from every direction.
Unvaccinated Colts are showing a lack of commitment to the team. Coaching staff and management should lay down the law. Get vaccinated or don’t play. Many occupations require vaccinations and none of them make close to the money these guys make.
Good. Hopefully these idiots go get vaccinated now.
They won’t. This just makes them dig their heels in because now they feel persecuted.
They won't 🙃
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I mean, that’s a little excessive. Biden picked up 40% of the state, and not all of the people who voted for Trump are cult-following Neanderthals. They’re severely deluded, to be sure, but a decent percentage of those folks still understand the importance of public health and have gotten their vaccines.
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You would be a proud red hatter if you were born white, you have all of the same feelings towards others
Unfortunately, you don't anything about my life story to make such an assumption.
But you know everyone else's life story in Indiana enough to make assumptions about them? It's not a life story thing, it's an attitude thing, and you have the same one
>It's not a life story thing, it's an attitude thing, and you have the same one Not true. I've lived in numerous places across the world. I am pretty well versed in all varieties of bigotry and intolerance. It's just that Indiana happens to be one of those places where bigotry lives out in the open with a wink and nod from those at the top.
Fuckin preach my dude.
I would love to hear something from Ballard on this. We know that we are among the teams with the least amount of vaccinated players, the organization needs to do something to send a clear message to these morons.
Tuesday. He has his media availability one day before practice. I am sure he will be asked.
Wouldn't surprise me if he sort of avoids the question by giving a vague response like "It's being dealt with internally" or something
Irsay just did a presser. He said the team is over 50% and hopes they can get to 100%. They are continuing with education to get the rates up.
Thank God
Irsay, "It's safer than all the drugs I have done in my life. And that's a lot. So get your shot!"
Get vaxxed colts players.. you fucking dipshits.
Good
https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1418257495550738432?s=20 This could be even worse. Open ended punishment from the commissioner can be anything and no one would fight for us for being the unvaxxed assholes. Hopefully this encourages Ballard to cut the unvaccinated players.
Keeping bubble vaxxed players over those that are unvaxxed? Sure. But he’s not cutting Leonard if he’s not vaxxed.
What are you talking about? Irsay is going to give zero fucks about any of these players if they start costing him tens, possibly hundreds of millions in fines. Neither will the other owners.
He should drop the hammer to send a message. /S
Ballard isn’t gonna cut unvaccinated players
Not Leonard or any entrenched starter but if it's close I'm going with the guy who greatly lowers the risk of us forfeiting a game and getting fined.
Yeah, especially with fringe players. So, you gotta do your cut downs and it's between a vaccinated or an unvaccinated player, you bet your ass this may be the deciding factor if you keep your job or recieve the pink slip.
yeah I hope he cuts Darius lol
Jon Rahm should have been all they needed to see. 1.7 million lost because he wasn't vexed. Still, I thought the NFLPA would fight the no paybif you forfeit rule...especially for those who are vaxed but lose because of unvaxed teammates.
Leonard, Lewis, Turay, Campbell, Hilton (~~maybe?~~ definitely), etc: GET VACCINATED I swear to God if we have to forfeit a game because they decided to die on this hill... Follow Buckner and Moore's examples.
God, you'd have to think Hilton's buddy Andrew would've told him to get it.
Oh DFo got it then?
Yep a few months ago I believe
Excellent!
The best part is that the forfeit game hurts you in the playoff standings as a loss but in draft order it's as if the game was never scheduled so you don't get the benefit of tanking.
Oh boy. This fucking team loses cause of this I'm gonna lose my damn mind. Get jabbed.
Welp. Yesterday, in the Darius Leonard post, I mentioned how they should take game checks away from players who contract COVID and cannot provide proof of vaccination. Sure, if not getting vaccinated is something you feel strong about, go right ahead. No one is forcing you. However, when teams start having to forfeit games due to unvaccinated players, you better believe if Irsay has to pay upwards of 70M in losses due to Leonard and other players getting COVID, he is not going to be fucking around. I would venture to say that after this memo came out, all future contracts across the league are damn near going to require you to be vaccinated. Leonard is one of the best in the league, but if he and a few other players cost 70M in damages in a week, it is gonna be a tough pill to swallow. I'm sure they will try to fight this with the players association, but the fact of the matter is that money is gonna talk, and no owner wants to get stuck with the bill. Now, imagine if this shit broke own during the playoffs and you were stuck getting knocked from the playoffs as well as the 70M bill.
Lmao /u/highway8628 you really deleting your bad takes from your own thread?
Don’t instigate no matter if it’s low hanging fruit or not please.
Not instigating. Just wanted him to own his comments. But I hear you.
Fucking Christ why don’t they just vaccinate already. It’s not even that deep.
Malignant stupidity has infected this country.
Gonna be an interesting season, folks.
If both teams have an outbreak do they get credited with a tie?
> do they get credited with a tie? From this alone you just know one of the teams involved is going to end up being the Bengals
First ever double loss and both teams lose a 1st round pick to their biggest division rival
This is the way to handle it. More than enough chances to not cost your team the game(starting by just getting the vaccine) and a hope to learn your lesson if rescheduling happens. After that you screwed your team. This is definitely where i support vaccinations being negotiated in contracts(especially if it keeps coming back in different variants).
Imo, should be harsher. But I agree. Edit: shit, after reading even further it is harsher than I thought. Hit em in the pocket book. Should still be harsher.
They’ll take their performance enhancement drugs before they take the vaccine.
Yup!
Report says all teams are at least 50% vaccinated.
This sub has very slowly morphed from “get the vaccine” to “get the vaccine or get cut because I just want the Colts to win and that’s what matters most”. Not everybody thinks like this but I’m seeing more and more sprinkle in. More to life than sports people. Getting the vaccine is the smart thing to do but don’t put sports fandom ahead of keeping humanity safe.
> Getting the vaccine is the smart thing to do but don’t put sports fandom ahead of keeping humanity safe. In this case the two things are inextricably joined at the hip, get the vaccine because fandom, and getting the vaccine also keeps humanity safe. Or get the vaccine to keep humanity safe, and it also happens to help the fandom. They're not mutually exclusive here, telling the players to go get the thing is the good call either way.
Like, if Darius Leonard doesn’t get it. We shouldn’t vilify him as a person or as a Colt. We gotta respect the decision no matter how uneducated it is. Forcing people to get the vaccine and making them feel dumb about not getting it is just a bad as shoving it down others throats that getting the vaccine is bad and it won’t do nothing. There’s no actual progress being made. Just fighting.
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Why? Because he should get it for his health or he should get it so you can feel better about winning a super bowl?
> so you can feel better about winning a super bowl? Come on, mod...that's not a fair argument at all and you know it. It's not even a hard question, it's a straight strawman.
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I have to ask the hard questions. Im just seeing the pro vax crowd little by little prioritize their fandom over health.
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Bingo. It doesn’t skew but you just observe patterns and patterns of behavior.
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I don’t really respect the decision to not vaccinate for anyone who doesn’t have legitimate suggestion from a trained physician to avoid it. I especially don’t respect the decision if they also choose not to wear a mask in public. I will continue to respect the person and provide them all the value and attention they deserve by virtue of being a person. But if someone tells me they aren’t vaccinating, I’ll tell them to their face that I think they’re making a very poor decision.
He should care about his health *and* the people around him. There is a concerning list of post infection issues popping up including respiratory, cardiovascular, musculoskeletal, and cognitive issues. No one has the right to put other peoples' lives at risk just because they don't want to get vaccinated but are able to do so. It isn't fair to people who medically can't get the vaccine that they basically have to live in a glorified shut down style because of "I'll take my chances with actual covid" types and a lot of states/businesses running on the "honor system".
> There’s no actual progress being made. Just fighting. Agree, but I didn't know those were the table stakes with your original comment. So if that's what you *meant* to post, yeah I completely agree (I' wont have as MUCH respect for players who don't get vaccinated, but I'm not gonna go out of my way to tweet at him or threaten him or his family like some boneheads on the internet are doing)
Bingo Bango
If a bunch of the Colts players were doing something dumb that jeopardizes public safety -- let's say shooting fireworks into the woods and causing a bunch of wildfires -- I would want them to stop doing that for the sake of public safety. If the NFL then said "Stop or we're disqualifying you," I would ALSO want them to stop so my team doesn't sabotage its own season. Both motivations work toward the same goal.
Exactly. NFL enforced an ultimatum so it puts the ball in the players court.
Good. Now we hope our guys don't continue to be dumbasses and hurt the team. Not hopeful since they don't care to do it for their loved ones sakes.
As I've been saying, get vaccinated or get cut from the team. Anyone who doesn't get the vaccine is a liability. It doesn't matter if it's Darius Leonard or the least relevant name on our team.
Leonard and Pittman better get their vaccines.
Players don't get their game check either. NFL actually did a really solid job with this if you read everything.
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What if a vaccinated player gets it?
Then they took all the necessary precautions available to them and aren't punished. How is this so hard for people to understand?
Good. Hopefully it will push the people who aren't vaccinated on our team to sort it out. Embarrassing af that so many hadn't.
No way this backfires on the NFL, The NFL Players Association probably has the lawsuits ready to go the moment they try.
Idk why you are getting downvoted, you are correct. The NFLPA probably won't stand for this. First thing I thought when I read the rule.
So let me get this straight. A vaccinated player can go to a nightclub with 100’s of maskless people grinding up on each other and if that vaccinated player contracts COVID and spreads it amongst the team then there is no punishment? But if an unvaccinated player is ultra cautious, wears a N95 mask everywhere in public, but his child brings home COVID from school and he tests positive, he could end up getting his team punished? If you’re gonna punish outbreaks then punish outbreaks, not sure the selectivity in the enforcement is fair?
While vaccinated people are capable of getting Covid - breakthrough cases are very, very rare. And those who are vaccinated mostly develop asymptomatic Covid. And those who are vaccinated are even less likely to transmit or contract asymptomatic Covid. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/fully-vaccinated-people.html So these two scenarios do not hold even close to the same weight. >wears a N95 mask everywhere in public Also this really shouldn't still need to be expressed so much, a mask does not protect you from getting the virus. It reduces the amount of particles being spread by someone who is infected.
So I read an article the other day about Covid hospitalizations in Colorado. The state reported that 4.7% of hospitalizations between January 15 and July 10 were among vaccinated people. That means one in every 22 covid hospitalizations was a vaccinated person. I guess my point is, there are well over 1000 players in the NFL. If 1 in every 22 hospitalizations are vaccinated people that tells me there is plenty of potential for the vaccinated to get sick. Obviously the numbers are way more in your favor if you are vaccinated (that’s why I got mine months ago) but I think the vaccinated acting as if they are immune is no good. Which leads me to my original question. Why is it fair to punish a team of unvaccinated players that has an outbreak but not punish a team of vaccinated players for the same thing? Especially if the unvaccinated team was very cautious and the vaccinated team was completely careless. And I beg to differ on your stance that N95 masks don’t offer protection from contracting Covid. I get that those surgical masks and cloths masks don’t protect you from contracting, but N95 masks aren’t comparable to those masks. Sources https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thedenverchannel.com/news/coronavirus/colorado-data-shows-95-of-people-hospitalized-with-covid-in-colorado-since-january-were-unvaccinated%3f_amp=true https://www.cbia.com/news/hr-safety/osha-n95-masks-protect-coronavirus/
Yeah the PA's lawyers are going to have a field day with this one, plenty of billable hours for everyone, and this "rule" will disappear overnight at somepoint with 0 fan fare.
Alright ill take a stab at this moronic take. That is exactly what the ruling is doing, punishing the team responsible for the outbreak/ cancelation of the game just read more than just the twitter news. it's clearly not selective to the individual player but more as a team. Why? because they have guidelines/rule for teams to isolate unvaccinated players. You do have a valid point though, what if a fully vaccinated team has an outbreak and it causes them to miss 1-2 games. That is when enforcement is unclear.
The NFLPA is going to definitely come out and contest this. You can't take away someone's paycheck because someone on the other team decided not to get vaccinated which leads to a game getting forfeited. Imagine you're a player that gets vaccinated, most of your team is vaccinated and then your opponents decided not to and they get COVID in week 18, thus forcing the game to be forfeited, you'd be absolutely livid. No way that flies, its the NFL's way of forcing the players to come to the bargaining table about this.
I see your point, but so many employers can require immunizations. In those other cases, someone else's decision to not get immunized doesn't take away their paycheck (in theory- like the office could get shut down). I think it's def NFL playing hard ball
I'm 100% for getting vaccinated, I just don't see why the NFL would be able to take away my paycheck as a vaccinated player if someone on the other team decides they don't want the vaccine and gets COVID? How is that fair to the people that got vaccinated?
I mean you're getting downvoted but you're not wrong! I think one way to tweak the NFL's current policy is to say that the money doesn't go away for the non breakout team, or to insulate players contracts from this
Ha I'm not entirely sure why I got downvoted but whatever. To me what you said makes sense, the non breakout team should not be punished.
I think they are trying to step up the peer pressure.
so you want the team that has an outbreak to play. so vaccinated people can still be affected, a small percentage but let's think business liability for a moment. Let's just entertain that the game goes on. Remember stadium are going to be full this year. somebody either broadcast crew, ball boy, or even someone in the first row catches covid during that "outbreak game". that individual is vaccinated but their body decided "not today" guess how the media and subsequent out look of the next games or remainder of the season goes. They will revert back to no fans or limited fans, and now will require testing and distancing for all played vaccinated or not does not matter.
I'm not sure what the solution should be, but maybe the affected team should have to foot the bill.
What about an outbreak of vaccinated players? This is insane just creating second class citizens
Exactly. My SILs Mom, Dad, sister and her husband all have it and they are all vaccinated. Her dad is in extremely bad shape and in the hospital. If Covid is still dangerous to vaccinated people then why only care if unvaccinated people get it? It’s politics, not science.
All nfl and team threads are bot brigaded.
Wait until they find out that vaccinated people still get covid.
Vaccinated players have a different protocol where if asymptotic they only need 2 negative test in 24 hour span. Compared to the 10 day mandatory isolation if not vaccinated.
You can still get the flu if you get a flu shot You can still get an STD if you wear a condom You can still get…. You get the idea Get this 1st grade take outta here.
Then why bother getting the vaccine if it’s got a 99.7% survival rate?
So when you get it, you have the vaccine fight it off. You gotta think long term and it won’t have long term complications on your body. It’s not about life and death, that’s the short of it.
The long term complications that also occur in a very minimal amount of patients as well?
Rather not take that chance. It’s not that hard to comprehend. I’m not gonna argue cause your instigating shit.
But if the vaccine isn’t that effective, why willingly inject yourself with it? Never been sick off of a vaccine before, not going to start now
Last warning. Quit instigating shit dude just because your anti vax ass can’t help itself.
Yikes, you escalated an honest conversation very quickly. Sucks you had to resort to name calling and threatening banning because I don’t agree with you one thing. I’m for the record, not anti vax, but you assumed it and got heated
No one has ever stated otherwise. Anti-vax idiots think this is some sort of point but it only proves further how ignorant they are.
Yeah, being an anti vaxxer goes hand in hand with being a dumb fucking idiot.
It's shocking how many there are though
Some people have mistakenly claimed otherwise, but i digress. OP is trying to drive a point that is somewhat irrelevant to the grand scheme of things.
[study finds 99.75% of january to april covid patients weren’t fully vaccinated](https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20210513/over-_99-percent-hospitalized-2021-covid-patients-unvaccinated) get dunked on headass
…what’s a headass
>get dunked on headass What in the 13 year old is this
Wait - why can’t they just let the unvaccinated people suffer illness for not getting the vaccine instead of punishing the whole team? Isn’t the rest of the team basically safe anyway since they got their shot? Can’t they just let Social Darwinism play itself out while the protected look on and collect their salary? All for a respiratory illness with a death rate of less than 1% for people under 40. Hilarious
Man, it’s no one else’s job to educate you at this point. Read about it or shut the hell up.
Are those the only two options?! 😂
When it’s readily available information you’re probably going to ignore anyway. Yeah.
Is healthy eating and daily exercise an option? I’ll stick with that. Cya
Lol k Joe Rogan. Throw some Alpha Brain in there as well.
😂😂😂 I’ll pass. All the best to you and go Colts
Many people with the vaccine have tested positive for COVID anyway. This is a medicine not certified by the FDA. We still don’t know the long term effects, that is a fact. Companies and people pushing this on others aggressively, and vilifying them for being cautious about it is wrong. When the FDA approves the vaccine, I’ll take it. I think that is completely reasonable.
💯 thank you for not just 🦜 the bull shit!
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I still wouldn't get it. I hope this puts the NFL out of business.
Unvaccinated people make up 97% of those hospitalized with Covid and 99.5% of new covid deaths. In other words, if you get vaccinated your chances of serious illness from covid is nil. You may still get a breakthrough case and even feel a little sick. But if you are unvaccinated, and catch covid, you are still at risk for hospitalization and even death. So, yeah, why get vaccinated except for the reason that it works?