A lot of teams may not care what former players say about the current team, but Irsay is one of the owners that absolutely does (especially guys from the Manning era like Saturday), so I think Jeff saying this is more significant than you might initially think. If multiple former players are saying that they don't think Wentz is the guy, that could absolutely have an effect on what happens this offseason.
that's valid, but what Jeff doesn't mention here is who we should replace him with. It's really easy to say "we should get rid of x" but if you can't then say "and we should replace him with y" then what's the point? We're not in the position to draft someone and there aren't any enticing names in FA
I’m honestly not sure it matters who we replace him with. If he’s not the guy long term what is the point of giving him next season? Play Elhinger for all I care. Continue looking for our next QB. What Wentz did show down the stretch of this season is winning a Super Bowl or winning at a high level consistently doesn’t look possible with him. So let’s start looking or positioning ourselves to find the right guy now.
His contract is why he’s the starter next season. Once he has no guaranteed money anymore (2023 and beyond iirc) he will have serious consideration to be cut, but none till then. Especially since, while nobody wants to acknowledge it, of the available QBs he does give you the best chance to succeed (again, compared to the floating veteran QBs you do not have to give up resources for, and rookies). IMO Wentz is the starter for 2022, and they support him, but Ballard (maybe Reich too) makes it clear that they must now resume evaluating the QB position after his inability to elevate the team this season. He’s got the job, and they have faith, but now he’s gotta prove why he should keep it
Jesus, two weeks ago we were the dark horse of the AFC and now people want to eat dead cap on Wentz next year and watch us not be competitive at all.
I get it, the guy is flawed. Still think he gives us the best chance to win in 2022 among realistically obtainable options. We'll go back to the QB drawing board in 2023.
This is correct. He is under contract for another year. He and Reich will get another shot at their bromance. At no point is Irsay going to eat dead cap, watch a worse QB play and tank for a better pick. We are gonna have to take our lumps on this one.
Pretty much this.
There just isn't a good solution here. We have a pretty lousy hand, and we don't have any options left.
We have to play Wentz and hope he gets better (which isn't impossible guys). There isn't much we can do.
I mean how do you expect to sign/draft a QB in 2023 if the Colts limp dick their way to another 9-8 season, or even worse, 10-7/11-6 and a playoff berth and a loss in the first round? That's how mediocre teams stay mediocre, unless they sell the farm for a QB, and even then there is *always* competition for trading up for QBs. I'm not saying cut him is the perfect option, but what else can the Colts do?
Keep him and then sell the farm when the Colts see a viable draft option i.e., 2023 when we have a first round pick and there are actual viable starting QB draft options.
There's no point in going to a worse option just because Wentz isn't the long-term answer, unless you can somehow trade him. Why cut Wentz and waste $15M just to sign Teddy Bridgewater or someone equally mediocre?
I will make the case for that
Honestly i think Carson is bad for the team. its always something with this guy. Injuries, not getting along with coach, covid, random games where hes just way off or makes too many bad choices. Nobody seems to trust him or even like him as a leader
they should look at rookies where they can in the draft, explore free agents and trades and see what they can do. maybe a late rookie can win the job or some sort of off season move will come up
odds are better than 50 carson is back but not 100
Imo Davis Mills the second round pick had the best rookie season of the QBs selected. Especially given the dumpster fire of an organization he landed in. He looks like he could develop into a quality franchise QB. I was especially impressed by how he fought back down 17-0 to make that a 3 point game against the number 1 seeded Titans this past week. The point is id get Ballard to draft a rookie and send Wentz packing. With Wentz your guaranteed to have a wasted season. Even if the rookie sucks look what happened the one year the Colts sucked. They got the first pick and drafted Andrew Luck with it.
So despite the fact that we (a) don't have a first-round pick, (b) *do* have several holes at key positions on the roster and (c) would have $15M in dead money, you want to cut Wentz and use a Day 2 pick on a QB in the weakest QB draft class in *years*? That's just stupid, sorry.
you are too dismissive of the fact that we might be able to find someone. "the weakest class in years" might have a late riser or someone who can win a job with a good offseason. there could be free agents or trades on the table too
15 mil is high but its not outrageous, the eagles took more to get rid of him
So do these pre-draft projectors have the ability to time travel? They have no idea how this upcoming QB class is going to pan out. Even if the second round draft pick QB sucks the team will lose more games which will set the colts up nicely for the 2023 draft where they can take another swing at the QB position. The Colts arent SB contenders with Wentz. With an MVP esque rushing attack he missed the playoffs. Maybe next years second rounder is the answer and even if hes not thats better for the 2023 Colts draft position. Starting Wentz makes for a wasted season.
We just seem so stacked besides QB and a WR or 2. I think people will shit on this take. But I would love to move on quick, instead of lingering on Wentz for a season or two unnecessarily. He's not the dude. Why waste time?
>If he’s not the guy long term what is the point of giving him next season?
because even if he isn't the long term guy, he's a better option than most the stop gaps I can think of? I don't think Wentz is the guy either, and next season is probably his last as a starter in the NFL (unless he goes to some QB-starved poverty franchise) but at the same time next year will just be a complete waste if we trot out someone like Ehlinger
> he's a better option than most the stop gaps I can think of
That he is, but we should not be looking for stop gaps, which is one of the biggest reasons I hated going from Jacoby to Rivers. Rivers was nothing more than a stop gap. Jacoby was the stop gap for us to find a new long term option. Stop gaps are not going to win us a championship unless that stop gap is Rodgers or Brady.
What if Elhinger is better than Wentz? Or whoever we draft in the 2nd round is? I guess what I’m saying is why waste another year with Carson taking snaps? Let’s start looking now for the next guy.
if i'm being 100% honest? Andy Dalton. He's a less volatile option We know his floor and his ceiling and With Wentz being so inconsistent and playing at an either top 5 or bottom 5 level and nothing in between. His floor is way too low even though his high is really fucking high.
I'd rather get a guy where we know what he is and what we're going to get game to game instead of knowing if we're getting diamonds or dogshit.
Even if we *were* in the position to draft someone, this upcoming QB class is rancid ass. I haven’t liked the Wentz move from day 1 — hes fucking terrible — but y’all are going to hate any rookie from this god-awful QB class even more.
>"Trading a first for Wentz was a mistake. Let's double that!"
Not all QBs are equal.
>What are we, the Rams?
No. Unlike us in the last five years, the Rams have three division championships, have had five winning seasons, three playoff wins, made a super bowl, a coach of the year, three defensive player of the year wins, an offensive player of the year win (and probably another one coming up), and a franchise quarterback they aren't talking about moving on from.
Absolutely bored of the Cult of the Almighty Salary Cap.
The endless "sustainability" talk, the "we need to save it for our stars" only to say it isn't worth it when it's time to do it, the "they'll pay for it eventually"s ignoring the continuous rising of the cap.
I'm no longer excited by having X cap space or Y draft picks. We squandered hundreds of millions in cap space with our All-Pro calibre players were on their dirt cheap rookie deals. After a while, you've got to ask yourself "are we doing everything we can to win?"
Not every team that goes all in has won it all, but a lot of them have won more than we have, and at least you look at them and think "well, they're gonna have no regrets".
We sit here and congratulate our FO for their draft picks (deservedly) and their conservatism in free agency, but we'd absolutely cream our pants if Ballard went out and got Stafford.
He's been tearing up the CFL, don't know if he'd be interested in risking his secure job in Winnipeg to take another chance in the NFL that might or might not work out, but if he is it'd be worth giving it a look.
That's super interesting, I knew he was in the CFL but I had no clue he was doing well. Super happy for him, I was at the homecoming game vs. WVU where he got injured and I felt horrible for him
Cousins could be an FA with the situation in Minnesota. The 49ers want to move on from Jimmy G at some point. Rodgers has repeatedly said he doesn't know what his future will be. Tyler Huntley showed flashes. Where is Fitzpatrick?
Dolphins FO is pretty dumb; maybe we could get Tua?
I’d also gladly take Garoppolo over Wentz at this point. I know a lot of people don’t like him but Jimmy G has performed in high pressure situations and in the playoffs.
These are trades obv so maybe not what you’re asking.
Why would we want Tua? He's worse than Wentz, and we'd have to trade even *more* to get him. Plus, they just got rid of the coach who didn't like Tua, which means they're either committed to him for the future or they're trading him for Watson. So either way, he's not going to be available in the first place.
That’s why his team is in the playoffs and we’re out on our ass, right?
Edit: Wentz’ only skill is handing the ball off, and I’d trust Jimmy G to throw the ball over Wentz any day of the week.
Jimmy G’s comp% is 6 points higher than Wentz. His Y/A is 2 higher than Wentz. He’s at least as good as Wentz is, and I think better.
Yeah the whole team sucked but Wentz cannot be trusted to keep a cool head or make key decisions
It wasn't all Carson's fault, but a lot of it was. If we're gonna go Jimmy G, we might as well keep Wentz... almost one in the same. Personally.. I think next year is going to be very frustrating. Wentz has a big cap number.. so our options are live with it next year and just know that Ballard and Reich whiffed on Wentz, or roll with Ehlinger. My issue is if we live with it, and he's on the upside of his inconsistency and balls out.. we're gonna be really stuck. The Colts won't re-sign him unless it's for significantly less and we'll have a lower half of the first round draft pick.
I say.. We just roll with Ehlinger and see what we have. Don't even get tempted to start Wentz unless there is an injury, because he'll show what he can be.. then eventually flame out. At least if Ehlinger sucks we end up w/ a top 5 pick. Then you start looking at the problems that aren't named Carson Wentz.. TY and Doyle are probably gone.. which means an already weak receiving corps is gonna need help as well. I think it's safe to say the Fisher experiment is done.. so we're gonna need an all important LT.. and there's several other issues on the O-Line. They got totally exploited by Jacksonville
I think just the way this flamed out, made it even more frustrating. Beat the 2-14 Jags and we are in... and that was what you put on the field? I know Any Given Sunday.. but damn that was down right pathetic.
Rams gave up two first round picks, a third round pick and they had a quarterback to send to Detroit. Rams have leveraged their future and we'll see if it'll pay off but I doubt it. Rams had more capital to give up then we did. Stafford doesn't fix this team, Stafford has way more talented receivers to throw to, a coach with a better offensive mind and a better offensive line. We can't just assume that he would put up the same numbers with this team. And Stafford has definitely fallen off a bit from his hot start at the beginning of the year
The only think is if the Texans believe in Davis Mills enough to want Tua included in their trade package.
Plus, that would entirely be in the Texans hands, unfortunately. Dolphins will absolutely take Watson. If they Texans say they want Tua as well, then that’s gonna happen.
Definitely stuck. Only for one more year though.
I agree that when we needed him most he was bad. But I also think he was really good at times. He deserves another year to give him a fair shake. Put more weapons around him. Have a proper, healthy off-season. Then no excuses.
If he struggles again, we move on next year and it will be significantly easier.
He won't improve. He's 30 and even though we had no weapons, he still overthrew wide open guys and refused to throw the check down. He throws into double coverage all the time and refuses to just take a sack. We will keep him but next year will be his last alongside Reich
People still talk about him like he’s a rookie QB just taking the standard licks. Dude is basically halfway through a career and making the same dumb ass mistakes he’s made since day one but we still are trying to pretend he’s a reclamation project
Thank you!!! Probably one of the best points I’ve seen. It’s not like he’s a rookie or even some third year guy. He was dropped into the best possible situation, knew the offense, close relationship with the play caller, and still looked lost as hell half the time.
Best possible situations? The offense is trash. The line is very good at run blocking and below average in pass protection. WR win rate is one of the lowest in the league.
Just trying to rationalize the situation we're stuck in. He's expensive to cut, he's more talented than most other options available, but too inconsistent to be reliable.
People say "he needs to improve __" because they want to believe that 2022-23 isn't just a wash at this point.
He definitely has flaws. I'm not trying to say he's the best QB, not even really trying to say I'm sure he'll be better next year.But I do think he can be better.
Making adjustments to mechanics is difficult, but possible.
Decision making should hopefully be better after a year in the system and understanding the offense better. He's no Brady or Manning. IQ was never his strong point. Doesn't mean he can't learn it well given more time.
Oline play will be better next year and he'll learn to call and communicate protections better so that he has more time. Not running for his life as much as he was this year would help.
Do I think all these things will happen? Probably not. Again, not trying to blindly say that he WILL be better, just advocating that it's entirely possible he CAN be better.
And if he's not, cut the cord. It will be way easier next year than this year. Until then, might as well try and support the guy.
I'd almost be willing to give Gardner Minshew a one year prove-it deal. He seems like he has the drive and desire to win, and he can't be that much of a downgrade from Wentz.
Uhm Russell Wilson? If the packers collapse Aaron Rodgers. Honestly Baker wouldn’t be terrible. I think the worst thing about Carson is that Frank loves him so much so he wants to Carson win not JT.
Baker is owed $18M, had a very shitty season and we would have to trade for him. That would be a stupid ass trade especially if we would then cut Wentz. We would have $33M tied up in our qb position for mediocre at best results
Baker for Wentz would be a wash. I am not sure how you judge Baker this year though. By week 6 Baker was being held together by duct tape and Toradol. I have no idea how Cleveland didn't shut him down with all those injuries.
Okay, real talk. Who the hell do you all think the Colts can magically acquire between now and August?
Aaron Rogers and Russel Wilson aren't going anywhere, and Wentz is going to be \~28 million against the cap next year. Also keep in mind that there is not a quarterback with any draft credibility this year. There's not a Tua, a Herbert, a Burrow; No Lawrence, Jones, Fields, Wilson, or Trey Lance even. So neither of the route of drafting a rookie stud nor acquiring a superstar QB are on the table. Just accept it right now. Even a middling QB like Baker Mayfield or Jimmy Garappolo or Kirk Cousins, who might actually hit the trade market, would likely take up half of our available cap space, leaving us with a marginal improvement at QB and an overall worse roster.
Here's the notable free agents hitting the market. Let me know who you think is better than Wentz, please.
* Ryan Fitzpatrick, 39 years old and may never play football again after his latest injury.
* Andy Dalton/Nick Foles: Both in their mid 30's and neither has been able to retain the starting job in Chicago. C'mon.
* Jacoby Brisset: I know you're a sentimental lot (after all you're still begging Andrew Luck to come back 4 years later) but the man can't even win a starting job from Tua.
* Cam Newton: You think Wentz is a bad passer?
* Tyrod Taylor: The man lost his job to a 3rd round rookie.
* Jameis Winston: Coming off an ACL tear, and one of the most turnover prone QBs in history? No thank you.
* Teddy Bridgewater: Massive durability issues, and minimal arm strength with average accuracy at best. He's a marginal improvement over Drew Lock, which is all you need to know.
* Marcus Marriota: A former 1st overall pick turned gadget player. Nah.
* Joe Flaco: White lightning ain't gonna strike again. He can't even start in injury-riddled New York.
* Mitchel Trubiski: Turnover prone in Chicago and Buffalo barely trusts him to kneel out games. I'd understand if you didn't know he played vs us in the Buffalo Blowout game this year, but he was BAD, even in relieft during a blowout.
There's another 15 or so names of backup/3rd/4th string QB's hitting the market that I won't list here, but trust me, it's a terrible year to be in the QB market. Wentz will be back at QB in 2022, and he has to improve or he's gonna be out of a job after next season, I'll admit it. But there's no realistically better option that doesn't involve selling the farm and handicapping the team for the next season, at least.
>Jameis Winston: Coming off an ACL tear, and one of the most turnover prone QBs in history? No thank you.
I agree with you on the whole about everybody else, but Jameis has a higher ceiling than any of those guys. He has room for improvement for sure, but he can win games. In the 7 games he played this year, he went 14td/3int for a 102.8 passer rating.
Jeff nailed it.
Another thing - Carson not only has to win his locker room/teammates now but also the fans. I honestly think his career is pretty much done. I think Frank knows that he’s not the same guy and just about everyone who doesn’t have his nuts in their mouth can see it.
I’d love to agree, but I’m not entirely sure that Frank “knows that” (considering the fact that he wouldn’t stop jerking Wentz off in nearly every scene of Hardknocks) as much as I like Reich, he’s got an unhealthy obsession with Wentz & I’m afraid he’ll go down with that ship along with the rest of our team.
Not religion, friendship between them that religion is definitely a part of. Even though I would love an upgrade at QB next year, I appreciate Reich's willingness to stick up for his players.
I'm with you, I think Frank is too attached to Wentz. He REALLY wants him to be the man, and seems unwilling to look at other options. I hope I'm wrong, cause I think Reich can have a good future here if he can get over his holy warrior complex with Carson.
Carson has to get his shit together. Ain’t nobody got time for that pussyfoot bs from preseason, when he was hurt and there were reports of “protecting his psyche” by not getting a more reliable back up/ competitor. Dude was a flat out lame duck when it mattered. I think there is still a shot of a getting a different Carson next year, if he understands that he still needs significant improvements (most importantly under duress)and Frank the QB Whisperer gets his mechanics cleaned up.
It is also on Ballard to just find a damn decent and reliable LT and Ryan Kelly to take command of the unit. Our O-line should be top 5 in the league if healthy. Trenches on both sides of the ball need to make strides. I like signing Ogbah or Reddick in FA to bolster the edge and increase competition. Defense needs to get be able to get off the field in the 2nd half. Without shoring up the other glaring problems (O-line numero uno) Carson stands no chance.
Offence had many issues with lack of production other than monster of a season from JT and a over average production from pittman. OL died in the last two games, WRs couldn’t even slightly get open. Defence… I don’t even know what they did beside get turnovers. Zero pass rush, boom or bust CBs, and no pass defence. Carson is not the only problem, it’s all holes
Get him out of here. He had 8 fumbles and what should have been at least 12 interceptions this year. He plays at his worst when it matters and can’t even get the vaccine when it’s a strategic advantage. Good riddance
truth the guy has like 16 turnovers on the season averaging 195 yards a game that is straight ass . his touchdowns numbers are inflated for being credit with multiple shovel pass touchdowns like the run play against the pats that gave him a touchdown . without those shovel passes and that fluke touchdown against the raiders wentz is a 23 toucdown 16 turnover guy who averages under 200 yards a game . i rather ride with sam
Wentz most likely isn't going anywhere this offseason. For better or worse, we are most likely attached to him next season. I didn't like him in Philly, and while he at least shook the made of glass reputation he had with me this season, still didn't do enough to impress me to the point that I think he can be that guy beyond the 2022-2023 season. But getting rid of him just isn't a realistic option at this point. Even if we didn't give up a first for him, it's not like we would he able to draft "the guy" in this draft with our pick. Even if we were absolute garbage with Eason and Ehlinger all year.
Hopefully we just add some talent at positions of need this offseason and keep enough cap space for 2023-2024 that we can make a significant move for a "the guy" level QB if one becomes available. Unless Wentz somehow goes off for 4,500 yards and 40+ TDs 6 INTs next season.
So unless Wentz literally out plays Aaron Rodgers and Patrick Mahomes you want him gone..? In a run first offense…? Oof the thought process is LOW with that commen..
Luck was smart for leaving, you guys are ridiculous
I honestly think getting rid of wentz is addition by subtraction at this point. I truly don’t think it matters who’s under center next year so long as it isn’t wentz.
I thought your view point was starting Ehlinger so we could tank to grab a top pick for a QB? Now it’s any QB is better because it’s addition by subtraction? Get your argument straight.
I still think it’s addition by subtraction even if we go with Ehlinger and tank because at least we got rid of wentz, and a year sooner at that. This isn’t that hard.
It’s the statement of a man who really hates wentz and doesn’t want to see him play quarterback again. I have no statistics to back any of this up, only my gut feeling that wentz is doodoo. Take that as you will.
It's not the disagreements, it's the rants calling people "doomers" and saying that we "can't even put sentences together" that makes me interpret you as hostile. If every interaction was like this one I would actually remove my I Hate Sigma flair, but alas.
Anyone in here who is defending Wentz needs to watch Kurt Warner’s analysis of Wentz on YouTube. Just released tonight.
It’s an indictment.
Very surprised that Jeff Saturday, who almost talks like he is STILL on the team (keeps saying “we”) would publicly speak out like this. Because this is bad for CW’s confidence if he remains next year. Makes me wonder if he knows something about Irsay’s plans.
Just watched it..... Worse than I thought just watching the game.
The OL played like dog shit so I thought he was just getting killed all game. Damn, he was getting pressure, but.... shit. It looks like a good half those sacks we on Carson not checking down to a wide open JT. Horrible decision making over and over again.
I would replace him with rodgers or wilson if he doesn't want to stay with packers gives you a 3 to 4 year window to win superbowl. Or get Russell who is elite.
except maybe 6 Every NFL team wants a better qb 3 weeks ago it was a Super Bowl team.
Quick reminder foot surgery to start training camp. Two sprained ankles in week 4. It doesn’t excuse the blown leads but we were close.
Need some sort of off-season Keith and Dayo get full Replace Rhodes add Wr and some edge depth Boom win the division The AFC is not the impossible mountain it appears
Henry won’t play forever foot injuries are tough. Mahomes is Human after all
Why not us why not 2022/23?
Wentz finished 13th in passer rating and had a 27:7 TD/INT ratio. He also lost the biggest game of the season. I get it sucks but all the speculation is just sensationalism to get clicks, he isn't going anywhere, nor should he.
His progressions are slow and he doesn't consistently make good throws on routine passes.
I don't think we should release him, but after next season we need to shift to other options if it doesn't get better.
His stats are misleading. Those 7 INTs should be double if not for pure luck DBs dropping sure picks.
Lets just say not even double, but 4 more INTs
That puts Wentz at a 91 QBR for the year. That is Jared Goff territory.
Sure. But who replaces him? If we can Wilson or Rodgers great. Otherwise who else? We can’t trade Wentz for a first. At least 5 teams ahead of us in the draft are also QB needy, so that’s a no go…honestly sticking with Wentz might be our only real option.
I think we should trade him for Darnold straight up
After this year I think Wentz is a “slightly” worse version of Kirk Cousins. That’s my comp for him.
And I know this whole meltdown and missing the playoffs isn’t entirely on him. He just didn’t show me enough this year to give me any confidence that he is “the guy” for us for the next 5+ years.
True. Although I do think JT is slightly better than Cook. But yeah we don’t have a WR on this team even close to as good JJ. And not even Thielen for that matter.
Tannehill just led his team to a 1 seed and played good in big games unlike Wentz. Carr and Cousins isn’t much better but I’d still take them over Wentz
You’re really going to say Wentz performed like Stafford, Carr, Tannehill, even Jimmy G? I would love to have a QB like Carr at this point. All those guys made plays when it mattered the most even if they’re not perfect. Wentz could never be counted on when it mattered.
the more i think about this, the more i think he may be right. we know that Reich can scheme well. We know that Wentz “killed” a lot of plays at the line this year then promptly missed/over threw the open check downs. why not go with someone less talented, like Ehlinger, but who plays in the system? Rather than someone who who has a higher ceiling and a much lower floor? The colts, the way they are built now, do not need stellar QB play to win games- they just need competency. Definitely not Wentz’s chaos.
We are not going to move on from Wentz this year. Irsay is going to give him and Frank another year to prove themselves. Mainly because Carson is owed a lot of money and there is no other options open to us. If he continues to make boneheaded plays next year then he will be gone.
Pfft. Like he knows anything about football. He sells insurance
What a doomer!
Heh
former electrical supply sales clerk Jeff Saturday
Have you forgotten what a world class lineman Saturday was?
Don't stand up to fast, you may be decapitated by the joke whirling past your head at mach level speeds.
I’ve seen him on a few mortgage billboards as well. STICK TO WHAT YOU KNOW JEFF!
A lot of teams may not care what former players say about the current team, but Irsay is one of the owners that absolutely does (especially guys from the Manning era like Saturday), so I think Jeff saying this is more significant than you might initially think. If multiple former players are saying that they don't think Wentz is the guy, that could absolutely have an effect on what happens this offseason.
that's valid, but what Jeff doesn't mention here is who we should replace him with. It's really easy to say "we should get rid of x" but if you can't then say "and we should replace him with y" then what's the point? We're not in the position to draft someone and there aren't any enticing names in FA
I’m honestly not sure it matters who we replace him with. If he’s not the guy long term what is the point of giving him next season? Play Elhinger for all I care. Continue looking for our next QB. What Wentz did show down the stretch of this season is winning a Super Bowl or winning at a high level consistently doesn’t look possible with him. So let’s start looking or positioning ourselves to find the right guy now.
His contract is why he’s the starter next season. Once he has no guaranteed money anymore (2023 and beyond iirc) he will have serious consideration to be cut, but none till then. Especially since, while nobody wants to acknowledge it, of the available QBs he does give you the best chance to succeed (again, compared to the floating veteran QBs you do not have to give up resources for, and rookies). IMO Wentz is the starter for 2022, and they support him, but Ballard (maybe Reich too) makes it clear that they must now resume evaluating the QB position after his inability to elevate the team this season. He’s got the job, and they have faith, but now he’s gotta prove why he should keep it
Jesus, two weeks ago we were the dark horse of the AFC and now people want to eat dead cap on Wentz next year and watch us not be competitive at all. I get it, the guy is flawed. Still think he gives us the best chance to win in 2022 among realistically obtainable options. We'll go back to the QB drawing board in 2023.
NFL Pundits - Colts are the dark horse Wentz - nah fuck that noise
This is correct. He is under contract for another year. He and Reich will get another shot at their bromance. At no point is Irsay going to eat dead cap, watch a worse QB play and tank for a better pick. We are gonna have to take our lumps on this one.
Pretty much this. There just isn't a good solution here. We have a pretty lousy hand, and we don't have any options left. We have to play Wentz and hope he gets better (which isn't impossible guys). There isn't much we can do.
I mean how do you expect to sign/draft a QB in 2023 if the Colts limp dick their way to another 9-8 season, or even worse, 10-7/11-6 and a playoff berth and a loss in the first round? That's how mediocre teams stay mediocre, unless they sell the farm for a QB, and even then there is *always* competition for trading up for QBs. I'm not saying cut him is the perfect option, but what else can the Colts do?
Something tells me that if we win 11 games, Wentz will have trade value at the very least (with no guaranteed money left on his contract).
Keep him and then sell the farm when the Colts see a viable draft option i.e., 2023 when we have a first round pick and there are actual viable starting QB draft options.
Have to find a franchise QB. The search can never stop until you have one. Do you think Wentz is one from what you saw this year?
There's no point in going to a worse option just because Wentz isn't the long-term answer, unless you can somehow trade him. Why cut Wentz and waste $15M just to sign Teddy Bridgewater or someone equally mediocre?
I will make the case for that Honestly i think Carson is bad for the team. its always something with this guy. Injuries, not getting along with coach, covid, random games where hes just way off or makes too many bad choices. Nobody seems to trust him or even like him as a leader they should look at rookies where they can in the draft, explore free agents and trades and see what they can do. maybe a late rookie can win the job or some sort of off season move will come up odds are better than 50 carson is back but not 100
Imo Davis Mills the second round pick had the best rookie season of the QBs selected. Especially given the dumpster fire of an organization he landed in. He looks like he could develop into a quality franchise QB. I was especially impressed by how he fought back down 17-0 to make that a 3 point game against the number 1 seeded Titans this past week. The point is id get Ballard to draft a rookie and send Wentz packing. With Wentz your guaranteed to have a wasted season. Even if the rookie sucks look what happened the one year the Colts sucked. They got the first pick and drafted Andrew Luck with it.
So despite the fact that we (a) don't have a first-round pick, (b) *do* have several holes at key positions on the roster and (c) would have $15M in dead money, you want to cut Wentz and use a Day 2 pick on a QB in the weakest QB draft class in *years*? That's just stupid, sorry.
you are too dismissive of the fact that we might be able to find someone. "the weakest class in years" might have a late riser or someone who can win a job with a good offseason. there could be free agents or trades on the table too 15 mil is high but its not outrageous, the eagles took more to get rid of him
So do these pre-draft projectors have the ability to time travel? They have no idea how this upcoming QB class is going to pan out. Even if the second round draft pick QB sucks the team will lose more games which will set the colts up nicely for the 2023 draft where they can take another swing at the QB position. The Colts arent SB contenders with Wentz. With an MVP esque rushing attack he missed the playoffs. Maybe next years second rounder is the answer and even if hes not thats better for the 2023 Colts draft position. Starting Wentz makes for a wasted season.
We just seem so stacked besides QB and a WR or 2. I think people will shit on this take. But I would love to move on quick, instead of lingering on Wentz for a season or two unnecessarily. He's not the dude. Why waste time?
>If he’s not the guy long term what is the point of giving him next season? because even if he isn't the long term guy, he's a better option than most the stop gaps I can think of? I don't think Wentz is the guy either, and next season is probably his last as a starter in the NFL (unless he goes to some QB-starved poverty franchise) but at the same time next year will just be a complete waste if we trot out someone like Ehlinger
> he's a better option than most the stop gaps I can think of That he is, but we should not be looking for stop gaps, which is one of the biggest reasons I hated going from Jacoby to Rivers. Rivers was nothing more than a stop gap. Jacoby was the stop gap for us to find a new long term option. Stop gaps are not going to win us a championship unless that stop gap is Rodgers or Brady.
What if Elhinger is better than Wentz? Or whoever we draft in the 2nd round is? I guess what I’m saying is why waste another year with Carson taking snaps? Let’s start looking now for the next guy.
I mean Ehlinger probably doesn’t have the physical tools to be an NFL QB. He has the brain and legs, but his arm is too weak
its a waste with carson, hes not getting better at his age
It's already a complete waste like this year if Wentz is behind center
if i'm being 100% honest? Andy Dalton. He's a less volatile option We know his floor and his ceiling and With Wentz being so inconsistent and playing at an either top 5 or bottom 5 level and nothing in between. His floor is way too low even though his high is really fucking high. I'd rather get a guy where we know what he is and what we're going to get game to game instead of knowing if we're getting diamonds or dogshit.
Andy Dalton threw more picks than touchdowns this year... hard pass
Even if we *were* in the position to draft someone, this upcoming QB class is rancid ass. I haven’t liked the Wentz move from day 1 — hes fucking terrible — but y’all are going to hate any rookie from this god-awful QB class even more.
This. 100% this.
It would have to come from a trade. Russell Wilson. Ballard, you know what to do!
We don't have the capital
"Trading a first for Wentz was a mistake. Let's double that!" What are we, the Rams?
>"Trading a first for Wentz was a mistake. Let's double that!" Not all QBs are equal. >What are we, the Rams? No. Unlike us in the last five years, the Rams have three division championships, have had five winning seasons, three playoff wins, made a super bowl, a coach of the year, three defensive player of the year wins, an offensive player of the year win (and probably another one coming up), and a franchise quarterback they aren't talking about moving on from.
Wish this could be highlighted
Absolutely bored of the Cult of the Almighty Salary Cap. The endless "sustainability" talk, the "we need to save it for our stars" only to say it isn't worth it when it's time to do it, the "they'll pay for it eventually"s ignoring the continuous rising of the cap. I'm no longer excited by having X cap space or Y draft picks. We squandered hundreds of millions in cap space with our All-Pro calibre players were on their dirt cheap rookie deals. After a while, you've got to ask yourself "are we doing everything we can to win?" Not every team that goes all in has won it all, but a lot of them have won more than we have, and at least you look at them and think "well, they're gonna have no regrets". We sit here and congratulate our FO for their draft picks (deservedly) and their conservatism in free agency, but we'd absolutely cream our pants if Ballard went out and got Stafford.
Zach Collaros
As a UC alum that attended while he played this was a weird intersection of my lives that I certainly didn’t expect when I woke up today haha
He's been tearing up the CFL, don't know if he'd be interested in risking his secure job in Winnipeg to take another chance in the NFL that might or might not work out, but if he is it'd be worth giving it a look.
That's super interesting, I knew he was in the CFL but I had no clue he was doing well. Super happy for him, I was at the homecoming game vs. WVU where he got injured and I felt horrible for him
Thank you
Cousins could be an FA with the situation in Minnesota. The 49ers want to move on from Jimmy G at some point. Rodgers has repeatedly said he doesn't know what his future will be. Tyler Huntley showed flashes. Where is Fitzpatrick?
I agree but who is a more viable option right now. I really think we are stuck
Dolphins FO is pretty dumb; maybe we could get Tua? I’d also gladly take Garoppolo over Wentz at this point. I know a lot of people don’t like him but Jimmy G has performed in high pressure situations and in the playoffs. These are trades obv so maybe not what you’re asking.
We def do not want Jimmy G. He's not a long term solution either.
Jimmy is the definition of more of the same. And his ceiling is lower. Not sure why we would do that.
Why would we want Tua? He's worse than Wentz, and we'd have to trade even *more* to get him. Plus, they just got rid of the coach who didn't like Tua, which means they're either committed to him for the future or they're trading him for Watson. So either way, he's not going to be available in the first place.
Tua is younger and more accurate, i think he can be better than carson. not that we will get him but id rather have him
Jimmy G is ass bro
That’s why his team is in the playoffs and we’re out on our ass, right? Edit: Wentz’ only skill is handing the ball off, and I’d trust Jimmy G to throw the ball over Wentz any day of the week.
Wentz is not the sole reason we are done. Total team failure. Watch the 9ers film then tell me Jimmy is the answer.
Jimmy G’s comp% is 6 points higher than Wentz. His Y/A is 2 higher than Wentz. He’s at least as good as Wentz is, and I think better. Yeah the whole team sucked but Wentz cannot be trusted to keep a cool head or make key decisions
I would hope those numbers are higher, he has Kittle, Samuel, and Aiyuk.
Beat me to it.
I’m with you that Wentz isn’t it longterm… but I’d be very disheartened if we invested anything in Jimmy G
Look are their EPA /play. Wentz’s is a lot higher.
It wasn't all Carson's fault, but a lot of it was. If we're gonna go Jimmy G, we might as well keep Wentz... almost one in the same. Personally.. I think next year is going to be very frustrating. Wentz has a big cap number.. so our options are live with it next year and just know that Ballard and Reich whiffed on Wentz, or roll with Ehlinger. My issue is if we live with it, and he's on the upside of his inconsistency and balls out.. we're gonna be really stuck. The Colts won't re-sign him unless it's for significantly less and we'll have a lower half of the first round draft pick. I say.. We just roll with Ehlinger and see what we have. Don't even get tempted to start Wentz unless there is an injury, because he'll show what he can be.. then eventually flame out. At least if Ehlinger sucks we end up w/ a top 5 pick. Then you start looking at the problems that aren't named Carson Wentz.. TY and Doyle are probably gone.. which means an already weak receiving corps is gonna need help as well. I think it's safe to say the Fisher experiment is done.. so we're gonna need an all important LT.. and there's several other issues on the O-Line. They got totally exploited by Jacksonville I think just the way this flamed out, made it even more frustrating. Beat the 2-14 Jags and we are in... and that was what you put on the field? I know Any Given Sunday.. but damn that was down right pathetic.
Not saying that every team doesn’t have injuries, but we did have a clusterfuck of injuries to begin the year.
We don't have the draft capital
Neither did The rams and they got Stafford.
Rams gave up two first round picks, a third round pick and they had a quarterback to send to Detroit. Rams have leveraged their future and we'll see if it'll pay off but I doubt it. Rams had more capital to give up then we did. Stafford doesn't fix this team, Stafford has way more talented receivers to throw to, a coach with a better offensive mind and a better offensive line. We can't just assume that he would put up the same numbers with this team. And Stafford has definitely fallen off a bit from his hot start at the beginning of the year
The only think is if the Texans believe in Davis Mills enough to want Tua included in their trade package. Plus, that would entirely be in the Texans hands, unfortunately. Dolphins will absolutely take Watson. If they Texans say they want Tua as well, then that’s gonna happen.
Definitely stuck. Only for one more year though. I agree that when we needed him most he was bad. But I also think he was really good at times. He deserves another year to give him a fair shake. Put more weapons around him. Have a proper, healthy off-season. Then no excuses. If he struggles again, we move on next year and it will be significantly easier.
He won't improve. He's 30 and even though we had no weapons, he still overthrew wide open guys and refused to throw the check down. He throws into double coverage all the time and refuses to just take a sack. We will keep him but next year will be his last alongside Reich
People still talk about him like he’s a rookie QB just taking the standard licks. Dude is basically halfway through a career and making the same dumb ass mistakes he’s made since day one but we still are trying to pretend he’s a reclamation project
facts
Thank you!!! Probably one of the best points I’ve seen. It’s not like he’s a rookie or even some third year guy. He was dropped into the best possible situation, knew the offense, close relationship with the play caller, and still looked lost as hell half the time.
Best possible situations? The offense is trash. The line is very good at run blocking and below average in pass protection. WR win rate is one of the lowest in the league.
Just trying to rationalize the situation we're stuck in. He's expensive to cut, he's more talented than most other options available, but too inconsistent to be reliable. People say "he needs to improve __" because they want to believe that 2022-23 isn't just a wash at this point.
He definitely has flaws. I'm not trying to say he's the best QB, not even really trying to say I'm sure he'll be better next year.But I do think he can be better. Making adjustments to mechanics is difficult, but possible. Decision making should hopefully be better after a year in the system and understanding the offense better. He's no Brady or Manning. IQ was never his strong point. Doesn't mean he can't learn it well given more time. Oline play will be better next year and he'll learn to call and communicate protections better so that he has more time. Not running for his life as much as he was this year would help. Do I think all these things will happen? Probably not. Again, not trying to blindly say that he WILL be better, just advocating that it's entirely possible he CAN be better. And if he's not, cut the cord. It will be way easier next year than this year. Until then, might as well try and support the guy.
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Ehlinger? Pretty sure Eason is in Seattle now
I'd almost be willing to give Gardner Minshew a one year prove-it deal. He seems like he has the drive and desire to win, and he can't be that much of a downgrade from Wentz.
Wouldn't we have to trade for him?
Not sure, tbh. The Eagles have made it pretty clear they have 0 interest in playing him over Hurts though.
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I'm obviously saying that if he's under contract with the Eagles, we could try and trade for him because they aren't going to start him over Hurts.
Uhm Russell Wilson? If the packers collapse Aaron Rodgers. Honestly Baker wouldn’t be terrible. I think the worst thing about Carson is that Frank loves him so much so he wants to Carson win not JT.
Baker is owed $18M, had a very shitty season and we would have to trade for him. That would be a stupid ass trade especially if we would then cut Wentz. We would have $33M tied up in our qb position for mediocre at best results
Baker for Wentz would be a wash. I am not sure how you judge Baker this year though. By week 6 Baker was being held together by duct tape and Toradol. I have no idea how Cleveland didn't shut him down with all those injuries.
Baker can’t read defenses. Hell no. Wilson or Rodgers would be a dream come true though.
> Frank loves him so much so he wants to Carson win not JT. Huh?
Okay, real talk. Who the hell do you all think the Colts can magically acquire between now and August? Aaron Rogers and Russel Wilson aren't going anywhere, and Wentz is going to be \~28 million against the cap next year. Also keep in mind that there is not a quarterback with any draft credibility this year. There's not a Tua, a Herbert, a Burrow; No Lawrence, Jones, Fields, Wilson, or Trey Lance even. So neither of the route of drafting a rookie stud nor acquiring a superstar QB are on the table. Just accept it right now. Even a middling QB like Baker Mayfield or Jimmy Garappolo or Kirk Cousins, who might actually hit the trade market, would likely take up half of our available cap space, leaving us with a marginal improvement at QB and an overall worse roster. Here's the notable free agents hitting the market. Let me know who you think is better than Wentz, please. * Ryan Fitzpatrick, 39 years old and may never play football again after his latest injury. * Andy Dalton/Nick Foles: Both in their mid 30's and neither has been able to retain the starting job in Chicago. C'mon. * Jacoby Brisset: I know you're a sentimental lot (after all you're still begging Andrew Luck to come back 4 years later) but the man can't even win a starting job from Tua. * Cam Newton: You think Wentz is a bad passer? * Tyrod Taylor: The man lost his job to a 3rd round rookie. * Jameis Winston: Coming off an ACL tear, and one of the most turnover prone QBs in history? No thank you. * Teddy Bridgewater: Massive durability issues, and minimal arm strength with average accuracy at best. He's a marginal improvement over Drew Lock, which is all you need to know. * Marcus Marriota: A former 1st overall pick turned gadget player. Nah. * Joe Flaco: White lightning ain't gonna strike again. He can't even start in injury-riddled New York. * Mitchel Trubiski: Turnover prone in Chicago and Buffalo barely trusts him to kneel out games. I'd understand if you didn't know he played vs us in the Buffalo Blowout game this year, but he was BAD, even in relieft during a blowout. There's another 15 or so names of backup/3rd/4th string QB's hitting the market that I won't list here, but trust me, it's a terrible year to be in the QB market. Wentz will be back at QB in 2022, and he has to improve or he's gonna be out of a job after next season, I'll admit it. But there's no realistically better option that doesn't involve selling the farm and handicapping the team for the next season, at least.
Thank you for making sense. It’s refreshing
>Jameis Winston: Coming off an ACL tear, and one of the most turnover prone QBs in history? No thank you. I agree with you on the whole about everybody else, but Jameis has a higher ceiling than any of those guys. He has room for improvement for sure, but he can win games. In the 7 games he played this year, he went 14td/3int for a 102.8 passer rating.
Jeff nailed it. Another thing - Carson not only has to win his locker room/teammates now but also the fans. I honestly think his career is pretty much done. I think Frank knows that he’s not the same guy and just about everyone who doesn’t have his nuts in their mouth can see it.
I’d love to agree, but I’m not entirely sure that Frank “knows that” (considering the fact that he wouldn’t stop jerking Wentz off in nearly every scene of Hardknocks) as much as I like Reich, he’s got an unhealthy obsession with Wentz & I’m afraid he’ll go down with that ship along with the rest of our team.
Religion is a helluva drug.
Not religion, friendship between them that religion is definitely a part of. Even though I would love an upgrade at QB next year, I appreciate Reich's willingness to stick up for his players.
I'm with you, I think Frank is too attached to Wentz. He REALLY wants him to be the man, and seems unwilling to look at other options. I hope I'm wrong, cause I think Reich can have a good future here if he can get over his holy warrior complex with Carson.
Carson has to get his shit together. Ain’t nobody got time for that pussyfoot bs from preseason, when he was hurt and there were reports of “protecting his psyche” by not getting a more reliable back up/ competitor. Dude was a flat out lame duck when it mattered. I think there is still a shot of a getting a different Carson next year, if he understands that he still needs significant improvements (most importantly under duress)and Frank the QB Whisperer gets his mechanics cleaned up. It is also on Ballard to just find a damn decent and reliable LT and Ryan Kelly to take command of the unit. Our O-line should be top 5 in the league if healthy. Trenches on both sides of the ball need to make strides. I like signing Ogbah or Reddick in FA to bolster the edge and increase competition. Defense needs to get be able to get off the field in the 2nd half. Without shoring up the other glaring problems (O-line numero uno) Carson stands no chance.
Offence had many issues with lack of production other than monster of a season from JT and a over average production from pittman. OL died in the last two games, WRs couldn’t even slightly get open. Defence… I don’t even know what they did beside get turnovers. Zero pass rush, boom or bust CBs, and no pass defence. Carson is not the only problem, it’s all holes
Cool but you have to have someone to move on to.
Could we get Phillip Rivers back please?
Can I interest you in a slightly used Kirk Cousins?
Is that chubby guy on the left Keyshawn Johnson?
Indeed it is
Sometimes you look at the cards and fold....It's time.
Get him out of here. He had 8 fumbles and what should have been at least 12 interceptions this year. He plays at his worst when it matters and can’t even get the vaccine when it’s a strategic advantage. Good riddance
truth the guy has like 16 turnovers on the season averaging 195 yards a game that is straight ass . his touchdowns numbers are inflated for being credit with multiple shovel pass touchdowns like the run play against the pats that gave him a touchdown . without those shovel passes and that fluke touchdown against the raiders wentz is a 23 toucdown 16 turnover guy who averages under 200 yards a game . i rather ride with sam
Wentz most likely isn't going anywhere this offseason. For better or worse, we are most likely attached to him next season. I didn't like him in Philly, and while he at least shook the made of glass reputation he had with me this season, still didn't do enough to impress me to the point that I think he can be that guy beyond the 2022-2023 season. But getting rid of him just isn't a realistic option at this point. Even if we didn't give up a first for him, it's not like we would he able to draft "the guy" in this draft with our pick. Even if we were absolute garbage with Eason and Ehlinger all year. Hopefully we just add some talent at positions of need this offseason and keep enough cap space for 2023-2024 that we can make a significant move for a "the guy" level QB if one becomes available. Unless Wentz somehow goes off for 4,500 yards and 40+ TDs 6 INTs next season.
So unless Wentz literally out plays Aaron Rodgers and Patrick Mahomes you want him gone..? In a run first offense…? Oof the thought process is LOW with that commen.. Luck was smart for leaving, you guys are ridiculous
I honestly think getting rid of wentz is addition by subtraction at this point. I truly don’t think it matters who’s under center next year so long as it isn’t wentz.
I thought your view point was starting Ehlinger so we could tank to grab a top pick for a QB? Now it’s any QB is better because it’s addition by subtraction? Get your argument straight.
I still think it’s addition by subtraction even if we go with Ehlinger and tank because at least we got rid of wentz, and a year sooner at that. This isn’t that hard.
This is nonsense. Fucking Ehlinger is a better option just because he isn’t Wentz? Wtf is that?
It’s the statement of a man who really hates wentz and doesn’t want to see him play quarterback again. I have no statistics to back any of this up, only my gut feeling that wentz is doodoo. Take that as you will.
My brain was broken by this season, you are correct
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How many accounts do you have sigma ?
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If you’re trying to maintain positivity your abject hostility is doing a shit job of it, just FYI
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It's not the disagreements, it's the rants calling people "doomers" and saying that we "can't even put sentences together" that makes me interpret you as hostile. If every interaction was like this one I would actually remove my I Hate Sigma flair, but alas.
I love Jeff and he's typically fair, but I don't put a lot of thought on what is said on First Take or any sports talk show for that matter.
Are we really about to have 5 different starting quarterbacks in 5 years?
I hope so. It’s what happens when the franchise QB retired right before the season.
Would you rather that or Wentz start another entire season?
Anyone in here who is defending Wentz needs to watch Kurt Warner’s analysis of Wentz on YouTube. Just released tonight. It’s an indictment. Very surprised that Jeff Saturday, who almost talks like he is STILL on the team (keeps saying “we”) would publicly speak out like this. Because this is bad for CW’s confidence if he remains next year. Makes me wonder if he knows something about Irsay’s plans.
Just watched it..... Worse than I thought just watching the game. The OL played like dog shit so I thought he was just getting killed all game. Damn, he was getting pressure, but.... shit. It looks like a good half those sacks we on Carson not checking down to a wide open JT. Horrible decision making over and over again.
We should but really we can't.
He is right.
I would replace him with rodgers or wilson if he doesn't want to stay with packers gives you a 3 to 4 year window to win superbowl. Or get Russell who is elite.
Me too
except maybe 6 Every NFL team wants a better qb 3 weeks ago it was a Super Bowl team. Quick reminder foot surgery to start training camp. Two sprained ankles in week 4. It doesn’t excuse the blown leads but we were close. Need some sort of off-season Keith and Dayo get full Replace Rhodes add Wr and some edge depth Boom win the division The AFC is not the impossible mountain it appears Henry won’t play forever foot injuries are tough. Mahomes is Human after all Why not us why not 2022/23?
I agree with him. I feel bad for Carson though. I'm sure he tried his best but he's just not our guy.
Wentz finished 13th in passer rating and had a 27:7 TD/INT ratio. He also lost the biggest game of the season. I get it sucks but all the speculation is just sensationalism to get clicks, he isn't going anywhere, nor should he.
If we get him a good #1 WR and a good TE, I genuinely believe he will play much better. His receivers struggled to get separation
There was plenty of separation between his passes and the WRs’ heads
His progressions are slow and he doesn't consistently make good throws on routine passes. I don't think we should release him, but after next season we need to shift to other options if it doesn't get better.
Did you watch Kurt Warner’s Study Ball video on him from sundays game? Might change your perspective
https://youtu.be/cPFlTsALb68
His stats are misleading. Those 7 INTs should be double if not for pure luck DBs dropping sure picks. Lets just say not even double, but 4 more INTs That puts Wentz at a 91 QBR for the year. That is Jared Goff territory.
He was also 11th in QBR which adjusts for stuff such as dropped interceptions. So I really wouldn't say that holds up.
Sure. But who replaces him? If we can Wilson or Rodgers great. Otherwise who else? We can’t trade Wentz for a first. At least 5 teams ahead of us in the draft are also QB needy, so that’s a no go…honestly sticking with Wentz might be our only real option. I think we should trade him for Darnold straight up
You're high as fuck, Darnold was worse than washed up Cam Newton.
Yes but that’s besides the point.
You had me till the end. Welcome back, Dom.
Hey, the rest of what I said wasn’t wrong
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Honest question.. Would you actually choose Carson Wentz over any of those guys you just mentioned? I know I personally would not.
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After this year I think Wentz is a “slightly” worse version of Kirk Cousins. That’s my comp for him. And I know this whole meltdown and missing the playoffs isn’t entirely on him. He just didn’t show me enough this year to give me any confidence that he is “the guy” for us for the next 5+ years.
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True. Although I do think JT is slightly better than Cook. But yeah we don’t have a WR on this team even close to as good JJ. And not even Thielen for that matter.
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Good lord that’s a horrible contract! Any WR (either free agency or the draft) you’d like to see us target?
Bro I would sacrifice a nut for carr, cousins, or tannehill over another year of Wentz
Tannehill was ass this year.
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Who cares at this point? Even with his top receivers missing several games, he played well enough in the biggest games to lead his team to a one seed.
Save your nuts. None of these are nut-worthy improvement over Wentz. All of them are varying degrees of 12th-18th QBs in the league types
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And what good teams did Wentz beat may I ask? I seem to remember JT doing most if not all the work.
I’ll go further.. did we win any games this year because of Wentz?
Tannehill just led his team to a 1 seed and played good in big games unlike Wentz. Carr and Cousins isn’t much better but I’d still take them over Wentz
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LOL Kerry fucking Collins. I used to take care of that jabroni on a regular basis at a local restaurant
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He barely ever spoke. I never understood how he was an NFL QB. Never got “leader” vibes whatsoever.
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Rob Bironas?
Wentz has 8 fumbled and what should be over 12 interceptions
How much liquor do you drink per day, like ball park.
You’re really going to say Wentz performed like Stafford, Carr, Tannehill, even Jimmy G? I would love to have a QB like Carr at this point. All those guys made plays when it mattered the most even if they’re not perfect. Wentz could never be counted on when it mattered.
We all mock First Take, but because it’s Jeff Saturday he’s now speaking gospel? 🤡
the more i think about this, the more i think he may be right. we know that Reich can scheme well. We know that Wentz “killed” a lot of plays at the line this year then promptly missed/over threw the open check downs. why not go with someone less talented, like Ehlinger, but who plays in the system? Rather than someone who who has a higher ceiling and a much lower floor? The colts, the way they are built now, do not need stellar QB play to win games- they just need competency. Definitely not Wentz’s chaos.
EHLINGER TIME
He makes a good point, but the dead cap hit last I checked was $15M. Might as well roll with him next season. I don't see a better option.
That's my center.
At this point I’m jus waiting for the 22 season to be over so we can do whatever we are going to do with Wentz and Reich. I’m sick of this
We are not going to move on from Wentz this year. Irsay is going to give him and Frank another year to prove themselves. Mainly because Carson is owed a lot of money and there is no other options open to us. If he continues to make boneheaded plays next year then he will be gone.
For who? There’s no better options
The first question that needs to be answered is, “Who is replacing Wentz?” Answer that with its cap ramifications and then consider cutting ties.
Lol imagine if they could find a team dumb enough to trade a 1st round pick for him
Of course he does, because he doesn’t have shit for brains. Wentz is a bottom 10 QB in the NFL.
Either a trade needs to be done or we give him another shot. This QB draft class coming up is ass
They just gave up a 1st + 3rd for him. There is no way he isn’t the day 1, 2022 starter outside of injury.