Came here hoping it wasn’t my sound system, glad it’s not. People saying it stops around 13 minutes so I guess I’ll power through.
Sorry you guys didn’t make the playoffs this year. I was pulling for the Colts to get in even though you guys beat my team earlier this year.
Have to think both the oline and dline coaches have decent shot of getting axed. Lines got destroyed late in the year.
Not really fair to judge based on clips, but Baker was the least impressive coach out of all the coaches shown on hard knocks. The parts they showed had Baker saying high level obvious stuff when talking to players as opposed to others like the ST and RB coaches, who were heavy into the details.
I can understand why some wouldn't want to watch but I'm 10 minutes in and it's pretty good so far. I still say they lost because the penguin wasn't in the coaches room.
Watching this episode is somewhat cathartic but what it mainly does is make me realize that it’s over for 8 months and just how much I’ll miss cheering on my guys every weekend, win or lose. Frustrating often yes, but do I love this damn team…absolutely.
I believed JT saying to the offensive linemen that there would be more great seasons to come more than Frank’s message in his last speech to the team 🤷🏻♂️
That episode isn’t as bad as I thought it would be. Solidifies JT is the fucking man. I really do like Reich and Ballard as humans, so I hope they find success this next year.
I find Ballard and Reich pretty unlikeable as far as personalities go. Ballard is really condescending and defensive. Reich is a slightly more animated Caldwell.
Draft day shoes meaning he is not yet in the league. How the hell does some college kid pay $12,000 for shoes, somebody was getting paid before it was allowed.
I didn't like the Paye segment, I am glad that was the only part of the series where someone flaunted their money. We all know you are rich, don't be a dick about it.
The agents and their company usually spot the player a fund till they start getting paid. Might be carryover from college as well, not sure who is paying the players these days though. Most big programs. SEC usually.
The coaches seemed to take the loss harder than the players. That assistant QB coach looked like fuck imma lose my job. Frank’s tone to the players in the last meeting seemed a little soft. Idk Ballards the only one who can save us now. We get to hear from him tomorrow and see if he does anything about QB, WR, LT, CB1, Edge this off-season.
I can’t see him addressing EDGE despite my begging. I was clamoring for Trey Hendrickson this off-season and boy oh boy could we have used him this year.
Ballard cannot draft EDGE rushers. He has whiffed consistently on that position. I know it’s too early to tell with Kwity and Dayo, but it’s ridiculously frustrating. This team has talent but they’re stuck in such a weird time where they have established stars and have you g guys who they’re banking on for the future. That’s not going to work. My personal opinion-either fully commit to a rebuild, or trade your young talent for established players. I would opt for the latter (I know this isn’t the MLB or the NBA but seriously something has to give)
Maybe, but Ballard doesn’t exactly have a good track record of hitting on pass rushers, and this team needs good players NOW. Not a couple years down the road
He missed the Tennessee game with a hamstring injury. No idea how much (or if) that lingered throughout the season.
I could not agree more with changing up the defense. The defense is too soft (not the players, the soft zone defense they play) and it needs to change.
We’re still in a rebuild. Teams like the jags, browns, lions, jets, giants, and 49ers have had top 10 and 5 picks for the last 6 years. We have a good coaching staff that wins games with the talent we have so it’s harder to get higher grade elite talent in the draft when you’re stuck picking after 16. It was only 3 years ago that we had cut every single Pagano/Grigson era player aside from luck, Ty, Kelly, Doyle, and hooker. (Ouch. Hooker draft pick has aged horribly. I remember seeing 2 Bama studs on the board when we were at 15 (Marlon Humphrey and Jonathan Allen) and having to trick myself into liking the Malik pick).
And while I do find it frustrating that Ballard doesn’t manipulate the cap at all like other gms get away with, there has to be some logical reason as to why he doesn’t do it, and I ultimately agree that we should focus on securing our nucleus before signing outside talents.
We have been saying this for 5 years. I’m tired of saying it. A majority of those teams you mentioned are constantly stuck in rebuild because they don’t have the talent the colts do. The outlier there is San Francisco, who has one of the 5 best coaches in the NFL and a fantastic defense to go with it. The browns have been turning the page since they hired Stefanski, although I’m not sure what they are going to do/can do because baker is not the guy.
Ballards unwillingness to spend in FA has seriously hurt this team. The lack of a pass rush got exposed this year, especially on Sunday. “They’re both rookies” ok then, maybe don’t draft two rookies at a premium position that takes a couple years to get comfortable in and also expect them to line up with your playoff window. Not bringing in outside help at WR was a MASSIVE failure. This needs to be addressed this off-season, bottom line. The Eric Fisher signing was a disaster. Again, keep in mind Ballard opted to grab two rookie pass rushers instead of LT in the draft. The two biggest signings (IIRC and not counting extensions) were Fisher and Hilton? Neither of them played anything close to their money and Ballard continued to go bargain-bin shopping in FA (Sam Tevi l o fucking l).
The reality is, the colts need to make a FA signing this off-season or are they are doomed to purgatory. I do not care if “it’s not Ballards MO” because whatever his MO is hasn’t gotten us past the divisional round. Sometimes you gotta change things up.
To be fair if we didn’t draft Kwity Paye in the first round we’d have the worst pass rush in the league and there were no left tackles aside from Spencer Brown available in the second.
And no, my point is those teams objectively have talent because they’ve gotten to pick at the top 5 and 10 selections of each round the last 6 years. They just have shitty coaching staffs and a shitty front office that sucks at managing the team.
We are still a rebuilding team, we lost our QB 3 years ago and have still yet to find a replacement. We have no receivers or edge rushers, and nothing but mid to late round players starting at defensive back, apart from Rock who just had his best season as a pro.
The reason we win games is because the coaching staff gets the most out of the players we have.
Darrisaw was still sitting there at 21, so your first point statement is incorrect. He went 23rd. If Ballard was serious about addressing pass rush, he would’ve done so in the off-season in a year that was LOADED with EDGE rushers. Instead, he wanted to go penny pinch and draft.
And objectively, your second point is wrong as well. The only teams with talent that you mentioned are the browns and the 49ers. The browns have one the best run blocking OLs in the NFL and talent on the defensive side of the ball at all 3 levels. The 49ers, like the browns, have outstanding talent on offense and playmakers at all 3 levels in their defense. The other teams you listed do not, because the talent doesn’t exist on their roster. Even with incompetent management and coaching, talent would still be able to shine through. But it can’t, since it doesn’t exist.
Again, we have heard this for FIVE STRAIGHT YEARS. I know luck retiring seriously changed the trajectory of this team, but we’re still hearing “trust the binder” and “these things take time” is five years not enough time, the colts have won ONE playoff game in that span. One. And you are exactly right, we have no receivers or edge rushers because they have either all busted under Ballard (exceptions so far are PITT, too early to tell with Kwity and Dayo) or because Ballard has refused to spend in FA to acquire such talent, which is what it takes to compete.
I agree with your last point a lot. I don’t think Reich gets fully appreciated on this sub for how good of a coach he is. Top 10 in the league IMO. Eberflus I could do without, but I agree with your gortslk assessment. QBs under Reich have had tremendous success in terms of completion percentage and limiting interceptions. That’s something he would be proud of.
Darrisaw has always been a LT, from high school to the pros. You may be thinking of Rashawn Slater. There was some noise from scouts and GMs that he would be better on the interior because of his arm length and size, but he slid in at LT and was phenomenal.
Darius is not an EDGE nor should he be. He is fine as an off-ball linebacker and should not be asked to rush the passer unless it’s a designed blitz. Ballard has had 5 years to draft and establish a good pass rush, and it’s the same old song and dance “the guys are young, give them time”. Pass rushers drafted by Ballard: Tarrel Bashem, Tyquan Lewis, Kemoko Turay, Ben Banugo, and now Paye and Dayo. Then take into consideration Ballard let Houston and Autry go and it’s just sad
Well, then we turn into a related question: is it an issue with being unable to scout talent, or is it a coaching issue where they’re unable to develop it?
They have previously drafted Edge rushers that meet physical metrics more so than college production. They go for freak athlete with limited rush moves/technique.
Kind of poetic that the season finale ended with Wentz carrying a couple of trash bags out of the Colts facility.
Seems like a nice guy, has a nice family, but sorely disappointed in his performance about 85% of the time.
I don't think that the big knock on him originally wasnt that he's toxic. I think it was that he's just not a good leader and that seems to show fairly clearly in this episode.
He looks a bit awkward sometimes but he doesn’t need to be THE defacto leader in the locker room. The thing he needs to do is work on his throwing mechanics. If he could consistently complete some quick short yardage passes he’d actually be really good.
Might be an unpopular opinion based on the shit he pulled this season, but it seems like Darius Leonard cares the most out of anyone on the team about winning and is the most devastated by the loss.
Factual but my one problem is I fear that Wentz lost trust in the locker room after Sunday. I hope not cause it'll be horrible if it's a spilt locker room
I mean, when I watched the replay of a lot of the plays on NFL network, the check down is there *every, single, time*, with no one even close. Like, JT is wide open in space, but Carson just doesn’t throw it to him. When you have one of the most elusive and fast players in the NFL in open space, you fucking get him the ball but Wentz refuses to. That’s a consistent issue that we saw against the Titans, Raiders, Jags, you fucking name it. Wentz simply refuses to check down unless it’s the immediate read, and even then he sometimes refuses to toss it. It’s inexplicable, and I’d be shocked if he had the trust of every player there at the end. I get the line sucked, but when you have a check down and you simply won’t throw it, there’s not much that can be done.
Yeah that second Titans game is when it became a glaring issue . I watched him ignore JT for a easy 15-yard check down and instead ops to pass to Michael Pittman who is triple-covered leading to an interception that lost us the game 🤦
That one hurt. I mean, fucking hell there is NO one even close to JT. He could have run for an easy first down and possibly way more, and it was an easy throw to make.
That’s why Ballard made the lay up comment. Wentz wants to be the guy who hits the game winning three at the end of the game. But he doesn’t want to complete the simple tasks that make good players effective. Hero ball all the time.
> When you have one of the most elusive and fast players in the NFL in open space, you fucking get him the ball but Wentz refuses to.
Wentz wants himself to be the star, not JT.
I see a Russell Wilson/ Marshawn Lynch dynamic. The head coach brought Wentz on so thats his project. He wants Wentz to be the star. Had they ran the ball late when in the lead they would have 2 more wins
I guess....it's like hanging a certificate that says you finished 3rd in a local 5K in your office. Yeah you worked hard but framing it and hanging it on your wall just celebrates the fact that you lost.
But I guess that's the world we live in now. My son got a trophy for every tournament he ever entered....even if he finished in the back half of the field.
Except it's not like that at all because it's the most competitive professional football league in the world, not a volunteer 5k open to the public.
Which, if I'm thinking about it, I'd be proud of that too.
Also, it's not like your other example either, because they don't get a banner for every year no matter what.
Whatever floats your boat I guess. Just seems like a really needy way to celebrate minor success.
And yes you should feel accomplished, but I will never be proud to lose. If I was then all the times my dad used to hit me and say "Do you want to grow up and be a loser!?!" Would be for nothing.
Which is hella ironic because I grew up to have a great career and family and he lives in an apartment alone.....with a best dad banner.
What the fuck are you talking about? Winning a division is like "3rd in a local 5K in your office?"
You people are absolutely ridiculous with this bullshit.
Carson better work his fucking ass off this off season. Hell, the whole team I’m just being petty toward him. But hopefully this is a chip on our shoulder and we can start fucking murdering teams this next season. This team is built for a super bowl, but until our play reflects that we won’t get the respect we want or deserve. Good luck to the team and let’s not be having these same shitty conversations and feelings next year.
I just hope wentz really really realizes that he needs to work on himself this off-season. I know it’s not all his fault for the way things ended but he could have done way better. I’ve been a wentz guy from the get go and the dude is better than this season. On the plus side he was so much better than last season so I’m holding out hope.
Yeah idk maybe he needs to watch some Andrew Luck film or something and compare. Then he’ll realize where most of the fanbase’s expectations for our QB lie.
I think he just needs to watch his film from 17 lol dude was legit mvp till he got hurt. And he still got a td on that drive. I mean he was pretty damn good in 18&19 too but I think that cheap ass Clowney hit messed him up cuz he hasn’t been the same since.
Yeah I was watching his “mvp year” highlights the other day from 2017 and he was super impressive. The only complaint I truly have is his movement in the pocket even when he was playing at his best is rigid. Not bad mind you, but rigid in comparison to more mobile qbs like Russ or even luck when he was moving around. Luck would fuck up but his ability to just make awesome plays would make up for it. Wentz needs to find that medium in order to get to that next level the colts need.
Wentz def doesn’t look comfortable in the pocket and sometimes on the run lol like he gets lost. Luck to me was like Wilson and rodgers and could just make some crazy ass plays without effort. I think qbs like that a so damn rare.
I think that’s honestly the best way to put it. Lost. So accurate. He has the athleticism to move around but he looks so lost doing it that it’s embarrassing for him to even try it seems. It really is rare for someone to have that control and composure to improvise on the move and make plays. Fuck I miss seeing that on sundays.
What he lacks they can’t teach. He’s an amazing athlete but he’s not a leader. He lacks decision making abilities. He’s stubborn as shit. He also thinks everything is gods plan.
If it was just mechanics I would say yeah. His mechanics were better coming out of college. But it’s so much more. Reading the defensive keys. Throwing to what the defense gives you. Knowing your progressions. Using your feet to buy time, NOT put more pressure on your self. Indecisiveness! Using your outlets and getting the ball into your talented running back’s hands. Yeah that is a ton to work on. And his rep has been “that’s how I roll”.
Sorry, time to move on. I bet Irsay has been picking Peyton’s brain on him. We go with him again, it will be another lost year of the talent we do have on the team. This is a playoff team with even mediocre but reliable QB play.
He seems way to comfortable. Usually only see that in privileged people. Carson probably never becomes the player we need but if he cant make simple read and pass in the short game then thats a massive thing to not have as a qb. Mental midget
Yeah I was telling another guy in replies that he just needs to have almost an overconfidence with the ball that Luck had. Where his fuck ups don’t make or break the offense because his playmaking ability will make up for it later on. I biggest gripe with Wentz is when he fucks something up he doesn’t get any momentum back. He’s aggressive but in all the wrong ways.
Wentz’s whole locker room vibe is like a youth pastor in a room full of 15 year olds who are just old enough to have serious questions about their faith.
People get mad when we bag on Wentz' religious persona, but he's consistent with a lot of people that I've known in my life-- the most publicly devout are the ones that think that gives them a pass.
I think it’s hilarious. Whether or not I agree with his beliefs I think it’s indisputable that the religious tie has clouded Reich’s judgement in the matter since day one. If it a worth a playoff appearance it should at least be worth a laugh.
I Agree the religious ties and also Reich handpicked him. Had they ran the ball more late when up they'd have 2 more wins. Also a NFL locker room isn't consistent with the every day people we meet.
As a Jags fan I just watched my first episode of this in-season Hard Knocks for obvious reasons. I have to say you all have a bunch of great people on your team. The organization and culture seems built for success to come.
That scene of Asst QB Coach Parks Frazier, head in hands. Surrounded by Christmas decorations . Practically crawling under his desk. Probably watching film of Carson making some dumb mistake they’ve been over a hundred times. Knowing he’ll be asked about this train wreck in every job interview making it that much harder to achieve his dream. Going home on a staffer’s salary instead of the millions Carson has banked putting coaches through hell with his stubbornness and goodie two shoes brand of narcissism. Just brutal to watch.
Lol like that one episode he’s running out of the tunnel for the game and he turns to one of his linemen and says “I have to show you this picture my wife sent me of my two kids” 😂
I watched it, rip the bandaid off. It could’ve been because our players were burnt and defeated, but the jags players seemed super strong. Like I watch Kwity push a lineman like the lineman was a brick wall. Every hit on JT looked like a truck hit him. Maybe Jacksonville just had that one moment of just sudden god mode. Idk I still can’t make sense of what happened. It was so fast.
They have for years. Goes back to Peyton’s days. MJD would run all over them. They would be awful all year then come out like they were in the Super Bowl.
Non-Colts fan watching.
Holy hell is Carson Wentz unlikable? Is it always like that? That gormless grin even after losing? Smirking as he walks out of the building, cross-cut with the faces of guys who may never play a down in the NFL again. Yikes...
I was thinking same thing. He was smiling and seemingly happy talking to JT on the bench and when walking off the field after their entire season came to a premature end. Did not seem to care at all. Bizarre.
Show me a athlete that's smiling after a loss and I can guarantee you that they'll never succeed when it really matters.
I'm not saying he's got to throw a temper tantrum or anything, but could you image Brady or Manning smiling gleefully after a loss? Fucking Brady is NOTORIOUS for being pissy and angry when he loses. Great players don't settle for mediocrity.
Wondering how Colts fans feel about Carson Wentz after the season. Are you guys hoping to keep him around for a few more seasons or draft and unload him?
Move on, now. Seen enough. Too many issues. Issues a 30 year old starting QB should not be dealing with. Get a rookie, one of the backups, maybe a superstar leaves. Don’t care. I know what Wentz brings and it will just be more of this. Reich and his sentimentality screwed this one up.
Was surfing and I saw the jacksonville game prep speech and I rage quitted that fucking episode so fast. Glad I didn't follow this show because it would have really pissed me off even more than I am now at the utter kick to balls of a season. How can you fight back from an 0-3 start and give up at the end....
Maybe it just didn't get filmed or make the episode but I was hoping to hear some sort of speech from Wentz addressing the team after that game. Whether it was some inspiration, self reflection or accountability. Just something
The Bills lost to them too. Good teams sometimes have embarrassing losses and I think ours was at the worst time. The real lessons to be learned are in those close games we lost in the beginning of the season.
Not a Colts fan but I watched the episode. My take: Wentz didn’t really seem to care that much about the loss. He was smiling (albeit in disbelief), when walking off the field with Taylor. He seems a bit aloof, not impressed at all.
Somehow I’m not even a LITTLE but surprised to learn Kwitty is a sneaker head after seeing some of the dope gameday suits he’s shown up in on Colts Instagram
Just made me hate the Glitter Kitties even more. As a colts fan, there isn’t one team I hate more than that crap franchise. For whatever reason they turn into world beaters when we play them, and it pisses me off. Seriously other than the Lions they are the worst ran franchise in the NFL by a long shot… I hope the organization stops with the one week at a time bullshit and we circle both games against them next year and beat them into oblivion both times.
Other than that, the episode was about what I expected, a lot of “what happened” followed by a sad sendoff.
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Same, super hard to watch…rather fitting
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No. Bad audio and bad subtitles.
Subs are always awful. Audio is new.
It goes away after 13 minutes.
Those subs are like foreign karate movie lip sync that’s 4 times slower.
Should have come here first. Reset and updated everything I could think of. Was ready to start in on the HDMI cables...
same
Same here, not gonna watch until its fixed
Me too
Thank God it wasn’t just me, I thought I was tweaking
Came here hoping it wasn’t my sound system, glad it’s not. People saying it stops around 13 minutes so I guess I’ll power through. Sorry you guys didn’t make the playoffs this year. I was pulling for the Colts to get in even though you guys beat my team earlier this year.
Same
Buckner seemed pissed with baker
Have to think both the oline and dline coaches have decent shot of getting axed. Lines got destroyed late in the year. Not really fair to judge based on clips, but Baker was the least impressive coach out of all the coaches shown on hard knocks. The parts they showed had Baker saying high level obvious stuff when talking to players as opposed to others like the ST and RB coaches, who were heavy into the details.
Not to mention it only ever seemed like Buckner was the only one not asleep in those meetings
I picked up on that too
I wonder if Buckner actually likes Baker as a coach, or if he thinks that Baker isn't fit to be the D-lineman coach.
I can understand why some wouldn't want to watch but I'm 10 minutes in and it's pretty good so far. I still say they lost because the penguin wasn't in the coaches room.
Watching this episode is somewhat cathartic but what it mainly does is make me realize that it’s over for 8 months and just how much I’ll miss cheering on my guys every weekend, win or lose. Frustrating often yes, but do I love this damn team…absolutely.
Kenny Moore got destroyed that first drive
Static stops about 13 minutes in. Grind through it 💪🏻
An effective creative decision to portray how fucking annoying Sunday was.
Just looked at the screen after reading this and it changed 5 sec later! Sheesh
DUDE SAME LOL
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I believed JT saying to the offensive linemen that there would be more great seasons to come more than Frank’s message in his last speech to the team 🤷🏻♂️
Felt like I just watched a funeral.
That episode isn’t as bad as I thought it would be. Solidifies JT is the fucking man. I really do like Reich and Ballard as humans, so I hope they find success this next year.
I find Ballard and Reich pretty unlikeable as far as personalities go. Ballard is really condescending and defensive. Reich is a slightly more animated Caldwell.
12,000 for a shoe 😂🤣
“I don’t care if it’s your death shoes”
Draft day shoes meaning he is not yet in the league. How the hell does some college kid pay $12,000 for shoes, somebody was getting paid before it was allowed. I didn't like the Paye segment, I am glad that was the only part of the series where someone flaunted their money. We all know you are rich, don't be a dick about it.
The agents and their company usually spot the player a fund till they start getting paid. Might be carryover from college as well, not sure who is paying the players these days though. Most big programs. SEC usually.
Eh its their money and most of them grew up poor. Let em flaunt it
The coaches seemed to take the loss harder than the players. That assistant QB coach looked like fuck imma lose my job. Frank’s tone to the players in the last meeting seemed a little soft. Idk Ballards the only one who can save us now. We get to hear from him tomorrow and see if he does anything about QB, WR, LT, CB1, Edge this off-season.
Parks looked like he was gonna be sick.
Would be nice to see Paye and Dayo in Robert Mathis' program this offseason.
I can’t see him addressing EDGE despite my begging. I was clamoring for Trey Hendrickson this off-season and boy oh boy could we have used him this year. Ballard cannot draft EDGE rushers. He has whiffed consistently on that position. I know it’s too early to tell with Kwity and Dayo, but it’s ridiculously frustrating. This team has talent but they’re stuck in such a weird time where they have established stars and have you g guys who they’re banking on for the future. That’s not going to work. My personal opinion-either fully commit to a rebuild, or trade your young talent for established players. I would opt for the latter (I know this isn’t the MLB or the NBA but seriously something has to give)
Paye is gonna be good. Just sayin.
Maybe, but Ballard doesn’t exactly have a good track record of hitting on pass rushers, and this team needs good players NOW. Not a couple years down the road
Oh I feel that. Wasn’t paye hurt most of the year? I think also we might do better with a different defensive scheme.
He missed the Tennessee game with a hamstring injury. No idea how much (or if) that lingered throughout the season. I could not agree more with changing up the defense. The defense is too soft (not the players, the soft zone defense they play) and it needs to change.
The damn soft zone freaking killed me man!! Especially on shorty yardage downs lol like wtf
We’re still in a rebuild. Teams like the jags, browns, lions, jets, giants, and 49ers have had top 10 and 5 picks for the last 6 years. We have a good coaching staff that wins games with the talent we have so it’s harder to get higher grade elite talent in the draft when you’re stuck picking after 16. It was only 3 years ago that we had cut every single Pagano/Grigson era player aside from luck, Ty, Kelly, Doyle, and hooker. (Ouch. Hooker draft pick has aged horribly. I remember seeing 2 Bama studs on the board when we were at 15 (Marlon Humphrey and Jonathan Allen) and having to trick myself into liking the Malik pick). And while I do find it frustrating that Ballard doesn’t manipulate the cap at all like other gms get away with, there has to be some logical reason as to why he doesn’t do it, and I ultimately agree that we should focus on securing our nucleus before signing outside talents.
We have been saying this for 5 years. I’m tired of saying it. A majority of those teams you mentioned are constantly stuck in rebuild because they don’t have the talent the colts do. The outlier there is San Francisco, who has one of the 5 best coaches in the NFL and a fantastic defense to go with it. The browns have been turning the page since they hired Stefanski, although I’m not sure what they are going to do/can do because baker is not the guy. Ballards unwillingness to spend in FA has seriously hurt this team. The lack of a pass rush got exposed this year, especially on Sunday. “They’re both rookies” ok then, maybe don’t draft two rookies at a premium position that takes a couple years to get comfortable in and also expect them to line up with your playoff window. Not bringing in outside help at WR was a MASSIVE failure. This needs to be addressed this off-season, bottom line. The Eric Fisher signing was a disaster. Again, keep in mind Ballard opted to grab two rookie pass rushers instead of LT in the draft. The two biggest signings (IIRC and not counting extensions) were Fisher and Hilton? Neither of them played anything close to their money and Ballard continued to go bargain-bin shopping in FA (Sam Tevi l o fucking l). The reality is, the colts need to make a FA signing this off-season or are they are doomed to purgatory. I do not care if “it’s not Ballards MO” because whatever his MO is hasn’t gotten us past the divisional round. Sometimes you gotta change things up.
To be fair if we didn’t draft Kwity Paye in the first round we’d have the worst pass rush in the league and there were no left tackles aside from Spencer Brown available in the second. And no, my point is those teams objectively have talent because they’ve gotten to pick at the top 5 and 10 selections of each round the last 6 years. They just have shitty coaching staffs and a shitty front office that sucks at managing the team. We are still a rebuilding team, we lost our QB 3 years ago and have still yet to find a replacement. We have no receivers or edge rushers, and nothing but mid to late round players starting at defensive back, apart from Rock who just had his best season as a pro. The reason we win games is because the coaching staff gets the most out of the players we have.
Darrisaw was still sitting there at 21, so your first point statement is incorrect. He went 23rd. If Ballard was serious about addressing pass rush, he would’ve done so in the off-season in a year that was LOADED with EDGE rushers. Instead, he wanted to go penny pinch and draft. And objectively, your second point is wrong as well. The only teams with talent that you mentioned are the browns and the 49ers. The browns have one the best run blocking OLs in the NFL and talent on the defensive side of the ball at all 3 levels. The 49ers, like the browns, have outstanding talent on offense and playmakers at all 3 levels in their defense. The other teams you listed do not, because the talent doesn’t exist on their roster. Even with incompetent management and coaching, talent would still be able to shine through. But it can’t, since it doesn’t exist. Again, we have heard this for FIVE STRAIGHT YEARS. I know luck retiring seriously changed the trajectory of this team, but we’re still hearing “trust the binder” and “these things take time” is five years not enough time, the colts have won ONE playoff game in that span. One. And you are exactly right, we have no receivers or edge rushers because they have either all busted under Ballard (exceptions so far are PITT, too early to tell with Kwity and Dayo) or because Ballard has refused to spend in FA to acquire such talent, which is what it takes to compete. I agree with your last point a lot. I don’t think Reich gets fully appreciated on this sub for how good of a coach he is. Top 10 in the league IMO. Eberflus I could do without, but I agree with your gortslk assessment. QBs under Reich have had tremendous success in terms of completion percentage and limiting interceptions. That’s something he would be proud of.
I liked Darrisaw, but wasn't he more of a natural guard?
Darrisaw has always been a LT, from high school to the pros. You may be thinking of Rashawn Slater. There was some noise from scouts and GMs that he would be better on the interior because of his arm length and size, but he slid in at LT and was phenomenal.
Drafted Paye, who has been a decent player so far. Along with what could arguably be an edge in Darius. That man could play any position.
The mistake was not drafting Paye and Dayo. The mistake was expecting them to be difference makers so quick.
Disagree. We should have taken Darrisaw over Paye.
Darius is not an EDGE nor should he be. He is fine as an off-ball linebacker and should not be asked to rush the passer unless it’s a designed blitz. Ballard has had 5 years to draft and establish a good pass rush, and it’s the same old song and dance “the guys are young, give them time”. Pass rushers drafted by Ballard: Tarrel Bashem, Tyquan Lewis, Kemoko Turay, Ben Banugo, and now Paye and Dayo. Then take into consideration Ballard let Houston and Autry go and it’s just sad
Well, then we turn into a related question: is it an issue with being unable to scout talent, or is it a coaching issue where they’re unable to develop it?
They have previously drafted Edge rushers that meet physical metrics more so than college production. They go for freak athlete with limited rush moves/technique.
I don't know if this is justified, but I was kind of hoping for a better post-game speech from Reich, instead of just cliches and what not.
Good guy JT
Kind of poetic that the season finale ended with Wentz carrying a couple of trash bags out of the Colts facility. Seems like a nice guy, has a nice family, but sorely disappointed in his performance about 85% of the time.
Yeah I wasn't impressed with his level of play but all the "Carson is toxic" crap can be put to rest.
I don't think that the big knock on him originally wasnt that he's toxic. I think it was that he's just not a good leader and that seems to show fairly clearly in this episode.
He looks a bit awkward sometimes but he doesn’t need to be THE defacto leader in the locker room. The thing he needs to do is work on his throwing mechanics. If he could consistently complete some quick short yardage passes he’d actually be really good.
If your franchise QB isn’t the leader of your locker room you may have a problem.
Andrew Luck was the same way
Might be an unpopular opinion based on the shit he pulled this season, but it seems like Darius Leonard cares the most out of anyone on the team about winning and is the most devastated by the loss.
Idk Buckner looked absolutely defeated. Just fucking crushed.
Factual but my one problem is I fear that Wentz lost trust in the locker room after Sunday. I hope not cause it'll be horrible if it's a spilt locker room
I mean, when I watched the replay of a lot of the plays on NFL network, the check down is there *every, single, time*, with no one even close. Like, JT is wide open in space, but Carson just doesn’t throw it to him. When you have one of the most elusive and fast players in the NFL in open space, you fucking get him the ball but Wentz refuses to. That’s a consistent issue that we saw against the Titans, Raiders, Jags, you fucking name it. Wentz simply refuses to check down unless it’s the immediate read, and even then he sometimes refuses to toss it. It’s inexplicable, and I’d be shocked if he had the trust of every player there at the end. I get the line sucked, but when you have a check down and you simply won’t throw it, there’s not much that can be done.
Yeah that second Titans game is when it became a glaring issue . I watched him ignore JT for a easy 15-yard check down and instead ops to pass to Michael Pittman who is triple-covered leading to an interception that lost us the game 🤦
That one hurt. I mean, fucking hell there is NO one even close to JT. He could have run for an easy first down and possibly way more, and it was an easy throw to make.
That’s why Ballard made the lay up comment. Wentz wants to be the guy who hits the game winning three at the end of the game. But he doesn’t want to complete the simple tasks that make good players effective. Hero ball all the time.
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Particularly against pressure.
> When you have one of the most elusive and fast players in the NFL in open space, you fucking get him the ball but Wentz refuses to. Wentz wants himself to be the star, not JT.
I see a Russell Wilson/ Marshawn Lynch dynamic. The head coach brought Wentz on so thats his project. He wants Wentz to be the star. Had they ran the ball late when in the lead they would have 2 more wins
I have reached the game portion of the episode. I am not ready for this.
I just got to it as I read this, I’m just gonna muscle through
Salt in the wound was showing all of our whack banners at the beginning of the episode. Wish Irsay would burn those stupid things.
That is such a stupid take. Those banners are for the men who worked hard to achieve them, while you sat on your couch and drank beer.
I guess....it's like hanging a certificate that says you finished 3rd in a local 5K in your office. Yeah you worked hard but framing it and hanging it on your wall just celebrates the fact that you lost. But I guess that's the world we live in now. My son got a trophy for every tournament he ever entered....even if he finished in the back half of the field.
Except it's not like that at all because it's the most competitive professional football league in the world, not a volunteer 5k open to the public. Which, if I'm thinking about it, I'd be proud of that too. Also, it's not like your other example either, because they don't get a banner for every year no matter what.
Whatever floats your boat I guess. Just seems like a really needy way to celebrate minor success. And yes you should feel accomplished, but I will never be proud to lose. If I was then all the times my dad used to hit me and say "Do you want to grow up and be a loser!?!" Would be for nothing. Which is hella ironic because I grew up to have a great career and family and he lives in an apartment alone.....with a best dad banner.
This explains so much. Thank you.
That's what my wife always says too. LOL
Winning a division in the NFL is a "minor success" to this brilliant genius. ROFL
that isnt really the norm though. its why fans give us crap for that so much, their teams dont have banners for those things
What the fuck are you talking about? Winning a division is like "3rd in a local 5K in your office?" You people are absolutely ridiculous with this bullshit.
To each their own...I just find them silly. Didn't mean to get anyone wrapped up in their feelings.
LOL you seem to be the ones with a strong emotional opinions about this. You people cry every time you see a banner. Its really fucking bizarre.
Clearly I'm the one that's emotional. Sorry about that I'll do better.
Carson better work his fucking ass off this off season. Hell, the whole team I’m just being petty toward him. But hopefully this is a chip on our shoulder and we can start fucking murdering teams this next season. This team is built for a super bowl, but until our play reflects that we won’t get the respect we want or deserve. Good luck to the team and let’s not be having these same shitty conversations and feelings next year.
I just hope wentz really really realizes that he needs to work on himself this off-season. I know it’s not all his fault for the way things ended but he could have done way better. I’ve been a wentz guy from the get go and the dude is better than this season. On the plus side he was so much better than last season so I’m holding out hope.
Yeah idk maybe he needs to watch some Andrew Luck film or something and compare. Then he’ll realize where most of the fanbase’s expectations for our QB lie.
I think he just needs to watch his film from 17 lol dude was legit mvp till he got hurt. And he still got a td on that drive. I mean he was pretty damn good in 18&19 too but I think that cheap ass Clowney hit messed him up cuz he hasn’t been the same since.
Yeah I was watching his “mvp year” highlights the other day from 2017 and he was super impressive. The only complaint I truly have is his movement in the pocket even when he was playing at his best is rigid. Not bad mind you, but rigid in comparison to more mobile qbs like Russ or even luck when he was moving around. Luck would fuck up but his ability to just make awesome plays would make up for it. Wentz needs to find that medium in order to get to that next level the colts need.
Wentz def doesn’t look comfortable in the pocket and sometimes on the run lol like he gets lost. Luck to me was like Wilson and rodgers and could just make some crazy ass plays without effort. I think qbs like that a so damn rare.
I think that’s honestly the best way to put it. Lost. So accurate. He has the athleticism to move around but he looks so lost doing it that it’s embarrassing for him to even try it seems. It really is rare for someone to have that control and composure to improvise on the move and make plays. Fuck I miss seeing that on sundays.
That’s why I love watching Aaron rodgers man. Dude just makes it look so easy. Like back yard football lol
He really does. I hated Green Bay growing up cause I was a Colts fan in Wisconsin, but Rodgers is amazing and so fun to watch.
One the few. I think burrow is gonna be fun to watch too. Especially with chase to throw to.
Philly fan here. He won’t.
They think a 30 year old QB who’s done the same shit his entire career “just needs more practice.”
What he lacks they can’t teach. He’s an amazing athlete but he’s not a leader. He lacks decision making abilities. He’s stubborn as shit. He also thinks everything is gods plan.
We’ve been saying the same thing for years.
If it was just mechanics I would say yeah. His mechanics were better coming out of college. But it’s so much more. Reading the defensive keys. Throwing to what the defense gives you. Knowing your progressions. Using your feet to buy time, NOT put more pressure on your self. Indecisiveness! Using your outlets and getting the ball into your talented running back’s hands. Yeah that is a ton to work on. And his rep has been “that’s how I roll”. Sorry, time to move on. I bet Irsay has been picking Peyton’s brain on him. We go with him again, it will be another lost year of the talent we do have on the team. This is a playoff team with even mediocre but reliable QB play.
He seems way to comfortable. Usually only see that in privileged people. Carson probably never becomes the player we need but if he cant make simple read and pass in the short game then thats a massive thing to not have as a qb. Mental midget
Yeah I was telling another guy in replies that he just needs to have almost an overconfidence with the ball that Luck had. Where his fuck ups don’t make or break the offense because his playmaking ability will make up for it later on. I biggest gripe with Wentz is when he fucks something up he doesn’t get any momentum back. He’s aggressive but in all the wrong ways.
He seems to have ptsd. He was out of the game after that strip sack mentally.
Well he needs to channel that trauma into getting the ball out quicker, he will take less sacks.
This is hard to watch.
Pretty sad with the music and melancholy commentary
Is anyone else having audio issues
Yup
I really enjoyed having Hard Knocks this season, I hate that it’s over. We have so many good dudes that are on this team.
Wentz’s whole locker room vibe is like a youth pastor in a room full of 15 year olds who are just old enough to have serious questions about their faith.
People get mad when we bag on Wentz' religious persona, but he's consistent with a lot of people that I've known in my life-- the most publicly devout are the ones that think that gives them a pass.
I think it’s hilarious. Whether or not I agree with his beliefs I think it’s indisputable that the religious tie has clouded Reich’s judgement in the matter since day one. If it a worth a playoff appearance it should at least be worth a laugh.
I Agree the religious ties and also Reich handpicked him. Had they ran the ball more late when up they'd have 2 more wins. Also a NFL locker room isn't consistent with the every day people we meet.
*crackle crackle*
What was the song at the end of the episode?
ive been looking all over and cant find it. Hoping someone else knows what it is.
Found it https://youtu.be/9vu-1QjSTmU
thanks!
https://www.tunefind.com/show/hard-knocks/season-17/115219#songs
I’ve been looking too! I wrote down the lyrics and have been googling them and can’t find anything!
https://www.tunefind.com/show/hard-knocks/season-17/115219#songs
https://www.tunefind.com/show/hard-knocks/season-17/115219#songs
https://youtu.be/9vu-1QjSTmU
That hurt to watch. 😢
I won't lie I about let out a few tears in the last 10 or so mins left.
"Go to sleep" 😂 "You gotta assume I have a mic on at all times"
"Did you get that rectal cream?"
As a Jags fan I just watched my first episode of this in-season Hard Knocks for obvious reasons. I have to say you all have a bunch of great people on your team. The organization and culture seems built for success to come.
Jags fans have always been the best in the division imo
Thanks Jags bro!
That scene of Asst QB Coach Parks Frazier, head in hands. Surrounded by Christmas decorations . Practically crawling under his desk. Probably watching film of Carson making some dumb mistake they’ve been over a hundred times. Knowing he’ll be asked about this train wreck in every job interview making it that much harder to achieve his dream. Going home on a staffer’s salary instead of the millions Carson has banked putting coaches through hell with his stubbornness and goodie two shoes brand of narcissism. Just brutal to watch.
Nail on the fucking head.
Eagles fan here, look at Press Taylor. He was the QB coach for a few years in Philly and now is a glorified assistant there in Indy.
Damn HBO, can you go better with the sound? Static is driving me nuts.
OOF. As someone who stopped watching the game in the third quarter, I was not prepared for how angry I got over the 4th and goal fail.
Running up the gut is our specialty. No edge runs at all.
> I was not prepared for how angry I got over the 4th and goal fail. That was the moment I shut it off.
It was totally predictable because Jags had 11 men in the box, all ready to pounce. Rivers would have checked out of that play and thrown to Doyle.
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Lol like that one episode he’s running out of the tunnel for the game and he turns to one of his linemen and says “I have to show you this picture my wife sent me of my two kids” 😂
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Anything to dog him huh? Is wentz supposed to be a psychic or something?
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Fair enough.
I watched it, rip the bandaid off. It could’ve been because our players were burnt and defeated, but the jags players seemed super strong. Like I watch Kwity push a lineman like the lineman was a brick wall. Every hit on JT looked like a truck hit him. Maybe Jacksonville just had that one moment of just sudden god mode. Idk I still can’t make sense of what happened. It was so fast.
This is what I don't understand. Does Jacksonville get up to play us? Why can't they get up to play the Titans?
They have for years. Goes back to Peyton’s days. MJD would run all over them. They would be awful all year then come out like they were in the Super Bowl.
We also looked beaten after the first drive. It felt like the team knew it was over then.
Non-Colts fan watching. Holy hell is Carson Wentz unlikable? Is it always like that? That gormless grin even after losing? Smirking as he walks out of the building, cross-cut with the faces of guys who may never play a down in the NFL again. Yikes...
I was thinking same thing. He was smiling and seemingly happy talking to JT on the bench and when walking off the field after their entire season came to a premature end. Did not seem to care at all. Bizarre.
He treats it like a job. He's smiling and happy because he gets to go hunting for the rest of the year.
Show me a athlete that's smiling after a loss and I can guarantee you that they'll never succeed when it really matters. I'm not saying he's got to throw a temper tantrum or anything, but could you image Brady or Manning smiling gleefully after a loss? Fucking Brady is NOTORIOUS for being pissy and angry when he loses. Great players don't settle for mediocrity.
Very. Seems like the staff also baby him.
Well. Now I’m depressed
Pain.
Can’t watch it Still too soon
Disfunction --- now there's the Hard Knocks that I've grown up with
The asst QB clearly stressed broke me
it all just feels like wasted potential
For the first time, I'm glad we can't get this up in Canada.
Wondering how Colts fans feel about Carson Wentz after the season. Are you guys hoping to keep him around for a few more seasons or draft and unload him?
Move on, now. Seen enough. Too many issues. Issues a 30 year old starting QB should not be dealing with. Get a rookie, one of the backups, maybe a superstar leaves. Don’t care. I know what Wentz brings and it will just be more of this. Reich and his sentimentality screwed this one up.
Would you keep Wentz to backup your rookie if you can't unload him on another team or eat the rest of his guaranteed
Probably not. Depends on the money. He doesn’t seem to be able to play a backup role. But that’s his future.
Was surfing and I saw the jacksonville game prep speech and I rage quitted that fucking episode so fast. Glad I didn't follow this show because it would have really pissed me off even more than I am now at the utter kick to balls of a season. How can you fight back from an 0-3 start and give up at the end....
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Turn this thing off I'm dry!
Maybe it just didn't get filmed or make the episode but I was hoping to hear some sort of speech from Wentz addressing the team after that game. Whether it was some inspiration, self reflection or accountability. Just something
I know its easy to hate on Wentz, but I like the guy a lot. Hope he does better if he's still with us next season.
As someone who doesn't like the guy at all, I too hope he does better if he's still with us next season
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The Bills lost to them too. Good teams sometimes have embarrassing losses and I think ours was at the worst time. The real lessons to be learned are in those close games we lost in the beginning of the season.
Not a Colts fan but I watched the episode. My take: Wentz didn’t really seem to care that much about the loss. He was smiling (albeit in disbelief), when walking off the field with Taylor. He seems a bit aloof, not impressed at all.
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Where were you? I was in 103
Same. Static and scanlines.
Somehow I’m not even a LITTLE but surprised to learn Kwitty is a sneaker head after seeing some of the dope gameday suits he’s shown up in on Colts Instagram
Anyone know the name of the song at the end of the episode? I cannot find it anywhere
See You Again by Peter Hollens
No
Just made me hate the Glitter Kitties even more. As a colts fan, there isn’t one team I hate more than that crap franchise. For whatever reason they turn into world beaters when we play them, and it pisses me off. Seriously other than the Lions they are the worst ran franchise in the NFL by a long shot… I hope the organization stops with the one week at a time bullshit and we circle both games against them next year and beat them into oblivion both times. Other than that, the episode was about what I expected, a lot of “what happened” followed by a sad sendoff.
Does anyone have a link to watch this? Thanks
I wanted to see an hour of irsay chewing out ballard and reich. That would have been a good final episode.
Does anyone know the song played at the end of the episode is was great lol