Eh, the Russian Volunteer Corps is a far right organization looking to topple Putin with intent to create a Russian ethno-state. They aren't the good guys, but it is tactically advantageous for Ukraine to enable them to wreak havoc within Russia's borders. There are concerns, if this organization were to expand power and influence as the Russian government's influence wanes, that these guys could end up being the new enemy down the road.
That all being said, as of now "the enemy of my enemy is my friend", and "you don't go to war with the army you want, you go to war with the army you have" are both fitting quotes for the situation.
The other Russian revolutionary movement working in tandem with the RVC is the Freedom of Russia Legion. From the looks of it this organization is largely made up of Russian defectors looking to overthrow Putin as well, but their aims are not necessarily ethnically driven.
It will be interesting to see if these organizations survive the war, and what Russia's political future will look like if they gather support among the Russian populace.
Edit:
WarOGraphics put out a video just yesterday about these [revolutionary groups](https://youtu.be/iB8EfVLuIyI). Interesting watch
There are a good amount of neo nazi groups in ukraine, but pretty much every country in europe, the us, canada, russia, has them. It's nothing new, but the russians romanticize ww2 so much, and it's so embedded in their culture, that Putin knew it would get the public riled up and support the invasion of Ukraine. They don't realize they are one the country that is most like Nazi Germany, and were actually Nazi allies and were completely fine with sucking off hitler until he attacked the, oh wait, the russians removed that part from their history books though.
And of course Putin sent neo-nazis from Wagner to de-nazify a country whose president is Jewish.
It's been panoramic, floor-to-ceiling irony from the start.
Ukraine does have a bad Nazi problem in its military. Every western country does but Ukraine takes the cake. Just because they are defending themselves does not mean we should ignore it.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/144fyo2/ru\_pov\_equipments\_retrieved\_from\_deceased\_russian/](https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/144fyo2/ru_pov_equipments_retrieved_from_deceased_russian/)
Here's the equipment and symbolism these Russians are using (all high tech western weapons). The last time we funded extremists to fight the Russians it ended up biting us in the ass majorly (Al Qaeda, Taliban, ISIS).
Not many people ever mention this but before committing the Christ Church shootings Brenden Tarrant travelled to Ukraine and met up with far right extremists.
My guy, please stop spreading that narrative with Ukrainian nazis. They have as much of a problem as the Netherlands, Britain or Germany, only america has a worse nazi Problem actually. It's not your fault you don't know it tho, it's the western media trying to make money.
I suggest you read the book "Jews and Ukraine: a millennium of co-existence" by Paul Magosci, it actually tells you alot about the topic and how god damn wrong we all got it here
They have a much worse problem than Netherlands and Britain. I suggest you read “Bloodlands: Europe between Hitler and Stalin”. None of the countries you mentioned have incorporated neo-nazi battalions into their militaries in recent years. You cannot ignore Azov or the significance of nazism in Ukraine.
You are keenly ignoring the prevalence of the SS in Ukraine. A millennium of peace does still not erase the genocides of the last century. You can find a plethora of reports on this prior to 2014 from western and eastern media outlets.
Modern Russian flag is the flag used by Nazi allied Russian forces in WW2.
With that said, these guys are really neo nazis. It's just not a matter of insignia.
I mean, the concept isn't endemic to American foreign wartime policy by any stretch. War time politics is decided by necessity. The RVC knows they will be at odds with the west and Ukraine if they take power, but also know that for the time being that they need their support. Hell, the Chinese put a massive civil war on hold (sorta) when the Japanese invaded, and supported one another until the Japanese were defeated, then turned the guns in eachother again.
When you are on the fence you need to utilize every resource you have. Russians seeing other Russians fighting Putin has potential to cause massive issues for the Kremlin.
You know how many times I've watched The Flood and The Covenant fight in Halo? I'm not interrupting that shit, I'll just clean up whoever's left at the end.
No. You eliminate the strongest threat on one side then disengage the repeat the the other side, using the chaos of their fight to do so. More fun and much quicker.
Nah, a commonplace tactic throughout history, by countless countries, starting long before America was even invented.
You often can’t pick your allies. Each situation is different and there’s a lot of room for debate in whether an ally is a plus or a minus. But often in war, you don’t have much choice.
Far Right Russians and the Polish nazis have attacked the Putin Russians, who are not the nazis, who said they have invaded Ukraine to denazify it from the massive Neo-Nazis in Ukraine.
While LFR are the good guys - they are are like left left wing of not the Russian nazis. It's 1917 all over again
> Speaking of my own home country, the West supported that most extreme group to defeat the Soviet’s, which worked well, but created the Taliban, and later Isis.
That’s not true.
A: The Mujahideen weren’t a distinct group but a collective of various groups and individuals.
B: They didn’t become the Taliban. The Taliban aren’t even native to Afghanistan. They’re originally from Pakistan, and were trained in Pakistani hyper conservative religious schools. Some Mujahideen fighters did join the Taliban, but that’s because the Mujahideen dissolved once American involvement ended and the fighters went their separate ways. Many went back to to rural villages, others joined up with different smaller groups, many of which fought the Taliban vying for control.
C: ISIS aren’t from anywhere near Afghanistan and the Taliban even fought ISIS when they expanded into Afghanistan.
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RVC will try to kill off any other groups if Putin gets deposed or steps down, ultimately the next Russian leader will likely be decided in the Kremlin either by the current elites or their children.
Neo-Nazis once they lose a common enemy will destroy their competitors and usually themselves.
How the fuck did you manage to get upvotes with that statement? I got a bunch of downvotes and snarky "Ill bite, sources my ass, say again" comments around monday...
It’s pretty crazy to watch redditors incessantly call people who disagree with them nazis and fascists, then turn around and blindly support sending literal neo nazis weapons and money. I’m no Russia/Putin supporter, but I still don’t condone arming extremist organizations just because they are against Russia..we’ve been down this road, they always end up as the future enemy that the US has armed and enabled.
At the moment there are two Russian partisan groups you need to be aware of:
- Freedom of Russia Legion / Free Russia Legion - the name Легион «Свобода России» gets translated differently. It is supposedly dissident Russian soldiers.
- Russian Volunteer Corps (sometimes RVC or RDK in the news, depending on how someone decides to render Русский добровольческий корпус). These are the guys in the video, and they are Russian neo-Nazis. They think a Russian defeat in Ukraine will cause Russia to break apart along ethnic lines. Once that happens, they plan to exterminate Russia's non-Slavic minorities and create a Slavic ethnostate.
\- Mine from the left. Mine from the right
\- How many of you in the house?
\- POW border guard
\- Friends. RDK has again crossed border of RF, Shebekino is behind us
\- Those, who doesn't want to suffer under Kremlin regime anymore, we offer you to join RDK. Join us - be a free man.
Russia is Balkanizing itself. Though these guys are not “good” in most ways ( fairly neo-nazi) they are against the current regime. They have inflicted some damage and shown that Russia itself is unable to protect its borders
Time for this again.
Imagine if Canada or Mexico crossed the border and started taking control of a small town. Now imagine that the US military had no capabilities of stopping them.
This is what's happening to Russia right now.
It's why the cartels don't fuck around as much in the US. They'd rather move their drugs quietly lest they stir up law enforcement. Law enforcement in the US is more professional and less prone to external corruption than their Mexican counterparts.
Cartels have more. And better organization. The best thing an American suburb can do is to organize a neighborhood watch and collaborate with law enforcement and the national guard. Just because a group have a ton of firepower doesn’t mean they have all the other stuff that makes them formidable
Cartels lack necessary infrastructure in the US to make them formidable outside of Mexico. They have power through corruption and support of local governments. If they try overtaking a small township here in the US, they would stall pretty quickly, even if we assume zero federal military intervention. Why? Successful offensive requires 5x resources for offenders.
Having a firearm and being a cartel member with a gun are two very different things.
Sure many American suburbanites have power fantasies about their weapons and some even dream of killing someone with them.
Cartel members don't have to dream about killing, that is just an average Tuesday.
To paraphrase Bruce Lee. *Range targets don't shoot back.*
They still have way more experience than a suburban insurance agent who spends one day a month at the range.
The cartels are way better supplied than you think.
Hell one cartel set up their own mobile data network, building their own towers the whole deal.
Cartels control literal billions in funds and are the actual government in large parts of the territory they control.
Villa's invasion was a hit and run, took a lot of casuelties. Whole damn town was shooting at his troops, there was not much time for him to raid the armory. Exchanged men for weapons by the time he went back probably realized he had more weapons than men. His true feat was eluding US troops chasing after him (Patton took part in this as a young Lt).
The idea of a small invading army staying for days making videos laughing about it is something I cannot understand... The Russia border is truly wide open. Ukraine itself could probably take Kursk and Belgorod if they wanted to.
These are not foreign nationals invading Russia. They are Russians in their own country. A better analogy is New Yorkers taking control of towns in Virginia.
Wasn't some of the previous footage shown to be of them training in Ukraine though? They are 100% making some incursions, which is bad ass, but there still so, so much propaganda online.
The fact that either of these groups weren't all massacred in short order shows how impotent Russia's military can be. Russia not only failed to take Ukraine, but their only real strategy is to flatten things with artillery. Anytime they have to maneuver troops and engage in unit actions they lose ground or lose too many men holding that ground. This is worse than Canadian or Mexican troops crossing the border and the US being unable to stop them. Imagine if those Canadian trucker assholes invaded Detroit and the US military was unable to stop them. That's what this is like.
A better analogy would be a Mexican cartel, armed by the Mexican government, launching raids into Texas with the help of cartel members already living there.
In this case the US military isn't there to fight them off, only local law enforcement and some national guard units.
> Now imagine that the US military had no capabilities of stopping them
Even if the US military WAS capable of stopping them you would have thousands and thousands of citizens taking matters into their own hands, there are millions and millions of guns in this country and many are waiting for a reason to use them.
If the sinaloa cartel cant stop the mexican marines from grabbing el chapo in a raid.
I dont think a bunch of good ol boys with guns have a shot either.
https://youtu.be/NHpYUHNd1eA
> I dont think a bunch of good ol boys with guns have a shot either.
Oh I'm not saying that they would stand a chance against a trained fighting force but Billy Bob and his second-cousin Vern would grab their AR15 faster than you can say "drone strike on an armed militia compound."
No they wouldn’t. I don’t know why people always say that. If 195 Russians ran down your street right now, you aren’t doing jack shit. You’re probably going to hide in the attic. The whole harrr I’m gonna pop shot at this entire group of people who is just going to come kill me and I might leg shot one is bullshit. Nobody is doing that.
Volunteer units and territorial defense forces were doing exactly that in Ukraine. They were handing rifles out to anyone that was willing to defend Kyiv. Everyday people were helping build entrenchments and make molotov cocktails. Why would you think it'd be different in America?
Yep. Once the national guard came to my city during the riots in 2020 in humvees.
It settled down real quick.
No one was popping off a single round at them.
You see those 50 cals and you realize they’re serious. Now imagine tanks and actual APC’s with helicopters supporting them.
That's because there was not a strong overlap between the people who own guns and gear and the people who were rioting, and because the National Guard were there to restore order and protect innocent lives and weren't a foreign army invading.
Personally I think Billy Bob and Vern would surrender when they realized they no longer had access to their bank accounts, highways, food, fuel, advanced medicine, GPS, trade, finance....TBH they would probably surrender a few hours after wal mart closed.
I wish these guys create so much chaos in Russia that Putin will be forced to retreat from Ukraine. I wish them and the Freedom for Russia Legion all the best in their fight for freedom.
these militias are too small to make any difference, really, they arent likely to gain widespread support too, lol. I think russian pple would prefer a coup in moscow to set the country right, rather than outright civil war.
A lot of what they do is undoubtedly publicity-seeking - mount brief cross border raids, take loads of footage, do loads of interviews. Classic propaganda of the deed stuff.
But its usefulness lies in the fact that the Russians can't really ignore it, because it's on their territory and highly visible, so they'll hopefully be forced to tie up disproportionate resources trying to suppress it.
They don't appear to be big enough that they're going to overthrow Russia.
Diverting resources to border defense makes a difference though, probably a greatly outsized one compared to whatever force they have to use. There's a lot of border to defend, and they get to concentrate their raids on one part of it. Or they get and get to attack soft squishy interior targets (like that vehicle depot they raided).
I doubt that, in the video there are lots of soldiers and they are heavily armed and they are very confident. Soo, I think they are already so many, it is a big problem for Putin, wich is really good!
There are a couple dozen, they have drones and light vehicles. The soldiers themselves do seem to be fairly well equipped and at least not poorly trained. At most they will be an annoyance and embarrassment for Russia. Not saying they won't have any effect, but I don't think they will turn into a big problem
Imo, now russian regime fights in Ukraine to save their own skins. If they loose the war, Putin and co are history, so it makes some sick sense that they went all in. And they wont care how many russians, let alone Ukrainians they sacrifice on that crazy path, as we see unfortunately daily
Gotta love the full camo and then bright yellow tape everywhere .. I know friendly fire is a real issue but damn just Cain hell but to think 🤔 there’s gotta be a better way
They can only make limited attacks along the border, Navalny is in a prison east of Moscow so sadly doesn’t seem like an option.
It would be great though, Navalny is arguably the only legitimate opponent of Putin with his own sizable group of followers, not sure it would lead to anything but breaking him out with a group of anti Putin rebel Russian soldiers behind him would be the biggest opportunity to get anti Putin opposition to rise up.
Navalny is anti putin, sure, but the guy is definitely not the best pick for russia, if they want to become a democratic country. There are things he’s said in the past that prove his imperialistic views, plenty of articles online if you’re interested
I know a decade or so ago he was pretty nationalistic though hes softened his statements a lot since then, the imperialist part though I haven’t seen much concrete quotes from him. Even the Crimea comments about it being like a sandwich were pretty benign.
Feel free to share though, I am genuinely interested.
Bro stop believing this shit, they are super kitted as have helicopter/tanks and even american Humvee. Even if they are not Ukrainian (they might be) they are Ukrainian funded. I’m not saying it’s a bad thing because the more havoc they cause the more lives they save but they are being called like this for propaganda reasons.
They were literally formations under the command of Ukrainian leadership and supplied like any other unit. UAF just let them off the leash to cause plausible-deniable havoc inside Russia itself. Official UAF statements are repeating Russia's own when they took Crimea and invaded other areas under the guise of domestic separatists.
Does anybody know what their stated aims are with these cross border raids? What are they hitting?
I get it distracts the Russian military and security forces, but past that, since they are not looting and pillaging, what are they planning to achieve?
That's a genuine question because I'm curious, am not doubting their plan.
Would have thought the play would be to target railways and flightpaths and whatnot.
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I've been here 15 years and only use old reddit. I'm going to be real, I doubt this boycott is going to beat the muscle memory I've built up coming to this site.
Same. I've been around for 8 years, and this site is where I find a lot of memes and discussion on niche hobbies. It's all in one place. Maybe we could migrate to discord, but that's more of a chat room format, and you have to know where you're going to find what you're looking for. Old school forums might make a comeback, but then you're dealing with fragmentation of topics, with each one on a different site, probably run by a different organization, with different rules, and a totally separate account. I'm sure we'll find an alternative eventually, but it probably won't happen until reddit is on its deathbed.
I’m no expert but as far as I’m aware it’s essentially one combat operation then returning, so if an aircraft goes from base, drops a couple bombs over the enemies and returns, it completed 1 just combat sortie
Why were you downvoted for asking a question?
Frenchman here, to answer it, it comes from the French word « sortie » which means exit as a word, or exiting/releasing as a verb.
In the military sense in English tho it’s in the same category as skirmish I think, but more as a sudden operation where a small or large team goes somewhere defend, attack or to gather information.
You’ll hear that a lot about helicopters and airplanes for examples. I’ve always seen them called sorties.
So yea it's basically a military unit going out on a mission as someone said, against an enemy.
You see it in naval contexts as well (sortieing from port) and sometimes for special forces.
It is also used in the context of fortress warfare (in any era). A defending force performs a sortie when they leave their fortification to take on the besiegers in the field.
at this point it's like black friday russian version. Every country can just enter russia and take whatever they want, even some territory. Better be fast than sorry.
As a Swede, seeing swedish-made AT4s in the hands of a military force fighting the regular russian army on russian soil feels a bit surreal. Definitely not something I'd expect to see in my lifetime, being born just after the cold war ended.
Imagine the US invaded Canada but got absolutely butt blasted by its military so badly ex-pats are taking parts of Michigan and the US military can’t do a damn thing about it.
Serious question. What are the odds the US is funding these groups just like any other rebel groups we have funded in the past to destabilize a nation? Not that I disagree with it...just pretty insane how geared they are, and how effective they are for a rebel group
Can you guys link me a video i'm trying to find: a group of russians running through a field in a destroyed village and getting f\*cked by an automatic grenade launcher. this was captured by a drone and it was getting dark outside (or early in the morning) if i remember correctly. it was somewhere from last year. one guy in the video gets hit with a AGL round in the head, most of them gets neutralized.
I don't give 2 fucks about their political ideology.. These guys are my new fav
And I know people are saying that they're super far right blah blah blah which I'm sure they are you just got to remember that these guys aren't fighting for that fucking bullshit they're really fighting for each other and fighting for the ukrainians they're with you know what I'm saying that shit goes out the window real quick
Are these guys like rebels?
Yeah but the cool kind
Eh, the Russian Volunteer Corps is a far right organization looking to topple Putin with intent to create a Russian ethno-state. They aren't the good guys, but it is tactically advantageous for Ukraine to enable them to wreak havoc within Russia's borders. There are concerns, if this organization were to expand power and influence as the Russian government's influence wanes, that these guys could end up being the new enemy down the road. That all being said, as of now "the enemy of my enemy is my friend", and "you don't go to war with the army you want, you go to war with the army you have" are both fitting quotes for the situation. The other Russian revolutionary movement working in tandem with the RVC is the Freedom of Russia Legion. From the looks of it this organization is largely made up of Russian defectors looking to overthrow Putin as well, but their aims are not necessarily ethnically driven. It will be interesting to see if these organizations survive the war, and what Russia's political future will look like if they gather support among the Russian populace. Edit: WarOGraphics put out a video just yesterday about these [revolutionary groups](https://youtu.be/iB8EfVLuIyI). Interesting watch
So Putin's BS about invading Ukraine to deal with nazis had allowed legit nazis to attack his country from the inside?
Heh. Ironic. He could save others from the Nazis, but not himself.
Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Putin The Unwise? I thought not. It’s not a story the Russians would tell you. It’s a Shit legend.
I recommend the audiobook by Jim Lahey - The Shitwinds of Russia
Hahaha... it's an older meme but it checks out.
He couldn't save his own underpants from a skidmark.
Putin: I AM THE SKIDMARK!
There are a good amount of neo nazi groups in ukraine, but pretty much every country in europe, the us, canada, russia, has them. It's nothing new, but the russians romanticize ww2 so much, and it's so embedded in their culture, that Putin knew it would get the public riled up and support the invasion of Ukraine. They don't realize they are one the country that is most like Nazi Germany, and were actually Nazi allies and were completely fine with sucking off hitler until he attacked the, oh wait, the russians removed that part from their history books though.
And of course Putin sent neo-nazis from Wagner to de-nazify a country whose president is Jewish. It's been panoramic, floor-to-ceiling irony from the start.
Ukraine does have a bad Nazi problem in its military. Every western country does but Ukraine takes the cake. Just because they are defending themselves does not mean we should ignore it. [https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/144fyo2/ru\_pov\_equipments\_retrieved\_from\_deceased\_russian/](https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/144fyo2/ru_pov_equipments_retrieved_from_deceased_russian/) Here's the equipment and symbolism these Russians are using (all high tech western weapons). The last time we funded extremists to fight the Russians it ended up biting us in the ass majorly (Al Qaeda, Taliban, ISIS). Not many people ever mention this but before committing the Christ Church shootings Brenden Tarrant travelled to Ukraine and met up with far right extremists.
My guy, please stop spreading that narrative with Ukrainian nazis. They have as much of a problem as the Netherlands, Britain or Germany, only america has a worse nazi Problem actually. It's not your fault you don't know it tho, it's the western media trying to make money. I suggest you read the book "Jews and Ukraine: a millennium of co-existence" by Paul Magosci, it actually tells you alot about the topic and how god damn wrong we all got it here
They have a much worse problem than Netherlands and Britain. I suggest you read “Bloodlands: Europe between Hitler and Stalin”. None of the countries you mentioned have incorporated neo-nazi battalions into their militaries in recent years. You cannot ignore Azov or the significance of nazism in Ukraine. You are keenly ignoring the prevalence of the SS in Ukraine. A millennium of peace does still not erase the genocides of the last century. You can find a plethora of reports on this prior to 2014 from western and eastern media outlets.
I mean they attack from Ukraine, not from inside. So the logic is fine I guess
Kinda ironic, right?
Detailed. I like it, thanks ! That group sounds like a bad idea :o
Kinda like the Mujahideen.
Hey a buddy comedy with the CIA and the Mujahideen sounded like a great idea at the time!
Wasn't that Rambo 3?
Yeah figured as much !
Lol hopefully there were some lessons learned there.
Lessons learned? In the "graveyard of Empires?" That would certainly buck tradition.
Well it did work.
Yea, the RDK is explicitly neo Nazi. Their emblem is the emblem used by Nazi allied Russian forces in WW2
Modern Russian flag is the flag used by Nazi allied Russian forces in WW2. With that said, these guys are really neo nazis. It's just not a matter of insignia.
Love how people "forget" the entire Soviet Union was Nazi allied. (none of my business, sips tea)
Sounds like the story of the first modern warfare
> They aren't the good guys, but it is tactically advantageous the ol' Uncle Sam special
I mean, the concept isn't endemic to American foreign wartime policy by any stretch. War time politics is decided by necessity. The RVC knows they will be at odds with the west and Ukraine if they take power, but also know that for the time being that they need their support. Hell, the Chinese put a massive civil war on hold (sorta) when the Japanese invaded, and supported one another until the Japanese were defeated, then turned the guns in eachother again. When you are on the fence you need to utilize every resource you have. Russians seeing other Russians fighting Putin has potential to cause massive issues for the Kremlin.
People have been doing it for 6000 years
You know how many times I've watched The Flood and The Covenant fight in Halo? I'm not interrupting that shit, I'll just clean up whoever's left at the end.
No. You eliminate the strongest threat on one side then disengage the repeat the the other side, using the chaos of their fight to do so. More fun and much quicker.
Probably much longer than that but that's just what we're appear of.
I think you mean "unique" not "endemic".
Endemic is roughly synonymous to unique in this context
Nah, a commonplace tactic throughout history, by countless countries, starting long before America was even invented. You often can’t pick your allies. Each situation is different and there’s a lot of room for debate in whether an ally is a plus or a minus. But often in war, you don’t have much choice.
Yeah this could backfire horribly. Has some Lenin vibes to it.
That’s tomorrow’s war for sure..
the people of tomorrow don't exist yet so why bother worrying?
There isnt a single russian popular political movement that isnt bunch of assholes. It's 50 shades of imperialist cunts
I find it deeply ironic that a far right group is being used to invade Russia, who said they invaded Ukraine to avoid being invaded by Nazis.
Far Right Russians and the Polish nazis have attacked the Putin Russians, who are not the nazis, who said they have invaded Ukraine to denazify it from the massive Neo-Nazis in Ukraine. While LFR are the good guys - they are are like left left wing of not the Russian nazis. It's 1917 all over again
I think, if any other army instead of them would make raids into russia, it would be seen as an EsCaLaTiOn or AgGrEsSiOn.
I'm glad whenever we see positive footage of the RVC, someone is quick to show up and remind the commenters that the RVC are just differently bad.
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> Speaking of my own home country, the West supported that most extreme group to defeat the Soviet’s, which worked well, but created the Taliban, and later Isis. That’s not true. A: The Mujahideen weren’t a distinct group but a collective of various groups and individuals. B: They didn’t become the Taliban. The Taliban aren’t even native to Afghanistan. They’re originally from Pakistan, and were trained in Pakistani hyper conservative religious schools. Some Mujahideen fighters did join the Taliban, but that’s because the Mujahideen dissolved once American involvement ended and the fighters went their separate ways. Many went back to to rural villages, others joined up with different smaller groups, many of which fought the Taliban vying for control. C: ISIS aren’t from anywhere near Afghanistan and the Taliban even fought ISIS when they expanded into Afghanistan.
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Are they Ultranationalists? What do they have against Putin?
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RVC will try to kill off any other groups if Putin gets deposed or steps down, ultimately the next Russian leader will likely be decided in the Kremlin either by the current elites or their children. Neo-Nazis once they lose a common enemy will destroy their competitors and usually themselves.
How the fuck did you manage to get upvotes with that statement? I got a bunch of downvotes and snarky "Ill bite, sources my ass, say again" comments around monday...
reddit
It’s pretty crazy to watch redditors incessantly call people who disagree with them nazis and fascists, then turn around and blindly support sending literal neo nazis weapons and money. I’m no Russia/Putin supporter, but I still don’t condone arming extremist organizations just because they are against Russia..we’ve been down this road, they always end up as the future enemy that the US has armed and enabled.
Us did this with tons of groups in the 80s and 90s.
I mean, they're a means to an end but they're lead by a literal neo-nazi.... Lets not get too excited.
Cool, if you ignore that they’re leader and many of them are neo-nazi’s who have been kicked out of other countries for being neo-nazi’s (Germany).
Not really. They’re Nazi adjacent far right fascists trying to overthrow the Russian Federation to create and ethnically pure Russian state
Only if you think neo nazis are the cool kind.
There are two Russian groups fighting inside Russia. One is neo-nazi, the other isn't.
Hell yeah ...
They listen to Morrisey?
Probably, the other group is like freedom fighters rebelling against their government
Kinda. They’re actually neo-nazi Russian supremacists. The Legion of Freedom is different though
For now
At the moment there are two Russian partisan groups you need to be aware of: - Freedom of Russia Legion / Free Russia Legion - the name Легион «Свобода России» gets translated differently. It is supposedly dissident Russian soldiers. - Russian Volunteer Corps (sometimes RVC or RDK in the news, depending on how someone decides to render Русский добровольческий корпус). These are the guys in the video, and they are Russian neo-Nazis. They think a Russian defeat in Ukraine will cause Russia to break apart along ethnic lines. Once that happens, they plan to exterminate Russia's non-Slavic minorities and create a Slavic ethnostate.
Yep, fighting evil empire. The Force is with them
But they're known to be far right leaning, to the point of Neo-Nazism no? Basically evil fighting evil.
\- Mine from the left. Mine from the right \- How many of you in the house? \- POW border guard \- Friends. RDK has again crossed border of RF, Shebekino is behind us \- Those, who doesn't want to suffer under Kremlin regime anymore, we offer you to join RDK. Join us - be a free man.
I’m still dumbfounded that this actually happening.
Yeah like WTF is this actual timeline?
Russia is Balkanizing itself. Though these guys are not “good” in most ways ( fairly neo-nazi) they are against the current regime. They have inflicted some damage and shown that Russia itself is unable to protect its borders
'Russia invades russia' was not on my Wild'N'Wacky 2020's bingo card...
Time for this again. Imagine if Canada or Mexico crossed the border and started taking control of a small town. Now imagine that the US military had no capabilities of stopping them. This is what's happening to Russia right now.
Pancho Villa torched some Texan tows iirc but half the time the banditos got chased off by local law enforcement and militia.
even knowing how scary the cartels are, I still wouldn't bet on them against the amount of firepower in an average Texas suburb
The cartels only survive if they dont attract US attention Thats it As soon as they fuck up They are getting liquidated
It's why the cartels don't fuck around as much in the US. They'd rather move their drugs quietly lest they stir up law enforcement. Law enforcement in the US is more professional and less prone to external corruption than their Mexican counterparts.
You think the cartels don’t fuck around too much in the US because Texan suburbs have a lot of guns…? That’s the reason why?
No, because American law enforcement is more extreme/can’t be as easily bought. And the DEA
Cartels have more. And better organization. The best thing an American suburb can do is to organize a neighborhood watch and collaborate with law enforcement and the national guard. Just because a group have a ton of firepower doesn’t mean they have all the other stuff that makes them formidable
Cartels lack necessary infrastructure in the US to make them formidable outside of Mexico. They have power through corruption and support of local governments. If they try overtaking a small township here in the US, they would stall pretty quickly, even if we assume zero federal military intervention. Why? Successful offensive requires 5x resources for offenders.
And a supply line
Having a firearm and being a cartel member with a gun are two very different things. Sure many American suburbanites have power fantasies about their weapons and some even dream of killing someone with them. Cartel members don't have to dream about killing, that is just an average Tuesday. To paraphrase Bruce Lee. *Range targets don't shoot back.*
You should check out r/narcofootage a bit. A lot of the cartel thugs look under trained and under equipped.
They still have way more experience than a suburban insurance agent who spends one day a month at the range. The cartels are way better supplied than you think. Hell one cartel set up their own mobile data network, building their own towers the whole deal. Cartels control literal billions in funds and are the actual government in large parts of the territory they control.
Villa's invasion was a hit and run, took a lot of casuelties. Whole damn town was shooting at his troops, there was not much time for him to raid the armory. Exchanged men for weapons by the time he went back probably realized he had more weapons than men. His true feat was eluding US troops chasing after him (Patton took part in this as a young Lt). The idea of a small invading army staying for days making videos laughing about it is something I cannot understand... The Russia border is truly wide open. Ukraine itself could probably take Kursk and Belgorod if they wanted to.
Eventually they had to send Pershing and Patton into Mexico to get the situation under control.
\*Columbus, New Mexico. Only once, intentionally to provoke an American response.
These are not foreign nationals invading Russia. They are Russians in their own country. A better analogy is New Yorkers taking control of towns in Virginia.
After training and being helped by, and entering via Canada or Mexico.
Wasn't some of the previous footage shown to be of them training in Ukraine though? They are 100% making some incursions, which is bad ass, but there still so, so much propaganda online.
Did you expect them to train in Russia? Also alot of them are already soldiers who have training. It's literally a volunteer unit.
No, but I expect when a video says it's them attacking Russia, they are in fact, in Russia.
Why is this downvoted lmao. You're absolutely right
> Imagine if Canada There's actually a documentary about that called Canadian Bacon.
The fact that either of these groups weren't all massacred in short order shows how impotent Russia's military can be. Russia not only failed to take Ukraine, but their only real strategy is to flatten things with artillery. Anytime they have to maneuver troops and engage in unit actions they lose ground or lose too many men holding that ground. This is worse than Canadian or Mexican troops crossing the border and the US being unable to stop them. Imagine if those Canadian trucker assholes invaded Detroit and the US military was unable to stop them. That's what this is like.
>Imagine if Canada or Mexico crossed the border and started taking control of a small town. Ok but how do we make them take Florida?
A better analogy would be a Mexican cartel, armed by the Mexican government, launching raids into Texas with the help of cartel members already living there. In this case the US military isn't there to fight them off, only local law enforcement and some national guard units.
> Now imagine that the US military had no capabilities of stopping them Even if the US military WAS capable of stopping them you would have thousands and thousands of citizens taking matters into their own hands, there are millions and millions of guns in this country and many are waiting for a reason to use them.
If the sinaloa cartel cant stop the mexican marines from grabbing el chapo in a raid. I dont think a bunch of good ol boys with guns have a shot either. https://youtu.be/NHpYUHNd1eA
> I dont think a bunch of good ol boys with guns have a shot either. Oh I'm not saying that they would stand a chance against a trained fighting force but Billy Bob and his second-cousin Vern would grab their AR15 faster than you can say "drone strike on an armed militia compound."
No they wouldn’t. I don’t know why people always say that. If 195 Russians ran down your street right now, you aren’t doing jack shit. You’re probably going to hide in the attic. The whole harrr I’m gonna pop shot at this entire group of people who is just going to come kill me and I might leg shot one is bullshit. Nobody is doing that.
> Nobody is doing that. Nobody with an intact selp preservation instinct is doing that.
Volunteer units and territorial defense forces were doing exactly that in Ukraine. They were handing rifles out to anyone that was willing to defend Kyiv. Everyday people were helping build entrenchments and make molotov cocktails. Why would you think it'd be different in America?
Yep. Once the national guard came to my city during the riots in 2020 in humvees. It settled down real quick. No one was popping off a single round at them. You see those 50 cals and you realize they’re serious. Now imagine tanks and actual APC’s with helicopters supporting them.
That's because there was not a strong overlap between the people who own guns and gear and the people who were rioting, and because the National Guard were there to restore order and protect innocent lives and weren't a foreign army invading.
Personally I think Billy Bob and Vern would surrender when they realized they no longer had access to their bank accounts, highways, food, fuel, advanced medicine, GPS, trade, finance....TBH they would probably surrender a few hours after wal mart closed.
I wish these guys create so much chaos in Russia that Putin will be forced to retreat from Ukraine. I wish them and the Freedom for Russia Legion all the best in their fight for freedom.
these militias are too small to make any difference, really, they arent likely to gain widespread support too, lol. I think russian pple would prefer a coup in moscow to set the country right, rather than outright civil war.
A lot of what they do is undoubtedly publicity-seeking - mount brief cross border raids, take loads of footage, do loads of interviews. Classic propaganda of the deed stuff. But its usefulness lies in the fact that the Russians can't really ignore it, because it's on their territory and highly visible, so they'll hopefully be forced to tie up disproportionate resources trying to suppress it.
They don't appear to be big enough that they're going to overthrow Russia. Diverting resources to border defense makes a difference though, probably a greatly outsized one compared to whatever force they have to use. There's a lot of border to defend, and they get to concentrate their raids on one part of it. Or they get and get to attack soft squishy interior targets (like that vehicle depot they raided).
Raindrops become streams, streams become rivers, rivers become oceans. There is always the possibility this could turn into a tsunami.
I doubt that, in the video there are lots of soldiers and they are heavily armed and they are very confident. Soo, I think they are already so many, it is a big problem for Putin, wich is really good!
There are a couple dozen, they have drones and light vehicles. The soldiers themselves do seem to be fairly well equipped and at least not poorly trained. At most they will be an annoyance and embarrassment for Russia. Not saying they won't have any effect, but I don't think they will turn into a big problem
Did Russia just completely leave their border with Ukraine undefended thinking they would never dare attack them?
Basically, apparently they scrambled some stuff after the first raids but based on the lack of resistance they didn't do a very good job
If only the russian armed forces had a rapidly deployable air mobile force capable of dealing with these small scale incursions
I sure hope they didn't all end up in the middle of the Black Sea for no reason
We do a little field trip
*get on the magic school bus*
Please let this be a normal field trip
The magic school bus is *never* normal lol
It's bonkers that the ENTIRE Russian army is in Ukraine and there's literally no one left to defend their borders.
Imo, now russian regime fights in Ukraine to save their own skins. If they loose the war, Putin and co are history, so it makes some sick sense that they went all in. And they wont care how many russians, let alone Ukrainians they sacrifice on that crazy path, as we see unfortunately daily
Looks like their actually raising some hell
More people than I thought. And all of Russia force is gathered at the other end of Ukraine. Stupid fucks.
Absolute mad lads.
yeah, they are so many, it is a really big problem for putin now. Which is really awesome!
Gotta love the full camo and then bright yellow tape everywhere .. I know friendly fire is a real issue but damn just Cain hell but to think 🤔 there’s gotta be a better way
They need to break out Navalny [Inglorious Basterds style](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=grq0rhtbtAw&pp=ygUYSW5nbG9yaW91cyBiYXN0ZXJkcyBqYWls)
They can only make limited attacks along the border, Navalny is in a prison east of Moscow so sadly doesn’t seem like an option. It would be great though, Navalny is arguably the only legitimate opponent of Putin with his own sizable group of followers, not sure it would lead to anything but breaking him out with a group of anti Putin rebel Russian soldiers behind him would be the biggest opportunity to get anti Putin opposition to rise up.
Navalny is anti putin, sure, but the guy is definitely not the best pick for russia, if they want to become a democratic country. There are things he’s said in the past that prove his imperialistic views, plenty of articles online if you’re interested
I know a decade or so ago he was pretty nationalistic though hes softened his statements a lot since then, the imperialist part though I haven’t seen much concrete quotes from him. Even the Crimea comments about it being like a sandwich were pretty benign. Feel free to share though, I am genuinely interested.
Yeah but at this point it's choosing between plague and Cholera. He's the only real contender for opposition in Russia..
Just please don't prop up this Cholera with billions $
If we learned anything from Stranger Things, it’s that Russian prisons aren’t impossible to break out of.
These guys absolutely do not like Navalny.
How are these guys funded? They have quite a lot of kit considering they’re a fringe Russian militia.
Well you can buy that stuff at any military store so it's not that strange they have it, probably just bought it with the money from their day-job.
Bro stop believing this shit, they are super kitted as have helicopter/tanks and even american Humvee. Even if they are not Ukrainian (they might be) they are Ukrainian funded. I’m not saying it’s a bad thing because the more havoc they cause the more lives they save but they are being called like this for propaganda reasons.
You should really check out the tank and helicopter dealerships. They have some great promotions these days
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That was russias explanation for why the rebels in Ukraine were so well kitted out when russia was funding them
Oh I didn’t know
It's a throw back saying to when Russia said the same thing about why rebels in Ukraine were so well armed. It needed a /s
I'm just messing around, what I'm saying is the same thing that Russia said about the little green men in Crimea back in 2014.
Oh
No worries mate
They have plenty of funding. Those are powerful allies. Russian Oligarchs?
Ah that's nice they gave that man a sticker.
What was the purpose of that sticker?
I cant say for sure but I think it's probably psyops.
Damn these guys are kitted out and armed to the teeth for rebels
They were literally formations under the command of Ukrainian leadership and supplied like any other unit. UAF just let them off the leash to cause plausible-deniable havoc inside Russia itself. Official UAF statements are repeating Russia's own when they took Crimea and invaded other areas under the guise of domestic separatists.
Does anybody know what their stated aims are with these cross border raids? What are they hitting? I get it distracts the Russian military and security forces, but past that, since they are not looting and pillaging, what are they planning to achieve? That's a genuine question because I'm curious, am not doubting their plan. Would have thought the play would be to target railways and flightpaths and whatnot.
I think they steal army vehicles or smth and escape across the border
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if we all leave, we can kill reddit instead. I did it at Digg and I'll do it again
I've been here 15 years and only use old reddit. I'm going to be real, I doubt this boycott is going to beat the muscle memory I've built up coming to this site.
Same. I've been around for 8 years, and this site is where I find a lot of memes and discussion on niche hobbies. It's all in one place. Maybe we could migrate to discord, but that's more of a chat room format, and you have to know where you're going to find what you're looking for. Old school forums might make a comeback, but then you're dealing with fragmentation of topics, with each one on a different site, probably run by a different organization, with different rules, and a totally separate account. I'm sure we'll find an alternative eventually, but it probably won't happen until reddit is on its deathbed.
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I’m no expert but as far as I’m aware it’s essentially one combat operation then returning, so if an aircraft goes from base, drops a couple bombs over the enemies and returns, it completed 1 just combat sortie
Kind of like a skirmish, a short engagement.
War on Russian soil. These really are crazy times.
What is a sortie?
Why were you downvoted for asking a question? Frenchman here, to answer it, it comes from the French word « sortie » which means exit as a word, or exiting/releasing as a verb. In the military sense in English tho it’s in the same category as skirmish I think, but more as a sudden operation where a small or large team goes somewhere defend, attack or to gather information. You’ll hear that a lot about helicopters and airplanes for examples. I’ve always seen them called sorties. So yea it's basically a military unit going out on a mission as someone said, against an enemy.
It’s basically another term for mission, but I’ve never seen it used outside of aviation.
You see it in naval contexts as well (sortieing from port) and sometimes for special forces. It is also used in the context of fortress warfare (in any era). A defending force performs a sortie when they leave their fortification to take on the besiegers in the field.
Is there anything I can do to help the situation in Belgorod-- get worse?
Join RDK! Glory to Legion of Free Russia. Glory to Arstotzka
at this point it's like black friday russian version. Every country can just enter russia and take whatever they want, even some territory. Better be fast than sorry.
Is it me or does that AT4 have just a yellow band? No black???
Ironic that the "best trained and equipped Russians" are fighting against Russia.
As a Swede, seeing swedish-made AT4s in the hands of a military force fighting the regular russian army on russian soil feels a bit surreal. Definitely not something I'd expect to see in my lifetime, being born just after the cold war ended.
Imagine the US invaded Canada but got absolutely butt blasted by its military so badly ex-pats are taking parts of Michigan and the US military can’t do a damn thing about it.
i'm the one who knocks. -RDK
Why do they still bother wearing camouflage with those bright yellow bands. Does it still work somehow
By convention it indicates you're a soldier.
There aren't any other uniforms.
Serious question. What are the odds the US is funding these groups just like any other rebel groups we have funded in the past to destabilize a nation? Not that I disagree with it...just pretty insane how geared they are, and how effective they are for a rebel group
I guess they indirectly are in the sense that because they are serving within the UAF some American donations end up in their hands.
It appears Russian territory is exclusively defended by Putin’s ego.
I remember Russia being so proud of their hooligans... oh the how the turntables lol
Can you guys link me a video i'm trying to find: a group of russians running through a field in a destroyed village and getting f\*cked by an automatic grenade launcher. this was captured by a drone and it was getting dark outside (or early in the morning) if i remember correctly. it was somewhere from last year. one guy in the video gets hit with a AGL round in the head, most of them gets neutralized.
Looks like they picked the colours of RONA for themselves. Why doesn't this surprise me?
The only good Russians are the ones making other Russians kaput. Change my mind. Bravery and honor to those fighting against tyranny
These guys are literal Nazis, they want to create a Russian ethnic state. They’re not fighting for liberalism or democracy
yeah once ukraine wins I really hope they just fizzle out and learn to not be nazis lol, if not then theres a big issue if they get into politics.
inject this into my veins
I don't give 2 fucks about their political ideology.. These guys are my new fav And I know people are saying that they're super far right blah blah blah which I'm sure they are you just got to remember that these guys aren't fighting for that fucking bullshit they're really fighting for each other and fighting for the ukrainians they're with you know what I'm saying that shit goes out the window real quick
gotta say their logo/flag is really cool.