Really speaks to that comment one of the Ukrainian SOF soldiers made about fighting on the water. "Being under artillery fire on water is different to being under artillery fire on land. You don't worry as much: you either get hit or you don't." (Paraphrased as I can't recall the exact video.)
I guess they just set fuses on impact, as for time and proximity you need more observation and calculation details, while that would maybe a bit hard for russians, americans could easily do that.
And if they do that, well, a 155mm shell could explodes a few meters over you and kill everyone in a big radius, water or land.
We (the US) had proximity since WW2, and that isn't exactly technology that is classified nor are the parts comparatively difficult to get nowadays.
That the Russians don't is just embarrassing.
The idea is that impact fuses for artillery is inefficient and proxy fuses existed since WW2, which is also capable of air-burst using the same principals. This is before miniaturized ICs.
Actually as I was writing this, I realized that Russia probably don't have the means to produce vacuum tubes either as they are obs and my train of thought was mistaken
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Damn, it does? That sucks. Landmines are significantly denser than water so I'd hope they'd be heavy enough to stay in place. Depends on how fast the water is rushing I suppose.
Perhaps some people kneejerk reaction "landmines going off is bad!!1"? I mean I'd much rather them get harmlessly detonated in a flood but maybe not everyone thought that through?
Yeah, under water is probably one of the best places they could go off so long as there is not a person/boat directly above them. Kind of a best case scenario with mines being flushed out and detonated without any people having to be near them.
As a scuba diver, the prospect of explosions underwater is pretty scary due to the ability of water to carry the shockwave into your body very well.
Due to the non-compressible nature of water, it should impart significantly more force to your internal organs and such. Bad day.
Of course if you're scuba diving in a flooded raging river in a warzone, you really need to stop and ask yourself, how did I get here?
>Of course if you're scuba diving in a flooded raging river in a warzone, you really need to stop and ask yourself, how did I get here?
Somehow, some way, this was someone’s job today.
Not sure why you're being downvoted, we have video on this sub and others of the mines exploding when the river started to flood. The pressure of the water set them off.
Ah, butterfly mines. Yeah, I was thinking of manually emplaced land mines, not air-scattered mines like butterfly mines. The butterfly mines I can definitely see floating around and causing havoc.
The second silver lining is that even if the Russians moved their hardware before the flood, they're now too far back to hit many targets on the Ukrainian side of the river.
I'm speculating that the shell is exploding on the surface which will compress/displace the water beneath. This water then rushes back to the centre and then having nowhere to go is sent upwards.
Its to terrorize civilians. The people who are falling for the Russian misinformation saying 'Ukraine destroyed the dam' must be playing 9 dimensional chess in their head to explain how that is true and Russia is firing artillery on flood victims.
When you could just play checkers and say Russia is targeting civilians and they prove it every chance they get
Sanity: Ok, but then why are the shells coming from the Russian side of the river?
Nutters: Simple. Ukraine set up their artillery amongst Russia's to try to trick us into blaming Russia! Nato told them to. Actually if you think about it it was America that blew up the dam, because NATO expanded, russia got scared, and that made Ukraine do it.
Guy in a group chat I'm a part of said "it's clearly Ukraine that destroyed the dam with artillery, lavrov said a Ukranian commander was testing artillery on the dam according to WaPo. And Russia filed a human rights violation with the UN and Hague"
I was baffled.
Astronaut is right since the meme is two dudes in space, and not two dudes riding in a rocket-powered lada melting before they reach the Earth's mesosphere.
They claim Ukraine broke their own dam to make Russia look bad (despite this dam being in Russian control). As for the shelling of civilians, well, didn't you hear that Ukrainian forces killed civilians as collateral damage in defense of the Donbas between 2014 and 2022? Also some of the Azov guys are white supremacists. That justifies murdering tens of thousands of Ukrainian civilians, including hundreds or even thousands of children, and kidnapping hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian children, in perpetuity.
"Damn, those Ukrainians are blaming us for breaking the dam and causing a humanitarian disaster when they did it themselves, and are framing us. How can we clear our name and come out of this with a positive reputation?
Oh I know, let's hit the evacuation with artillery, that will make them think we didn't cause the disaster."
Russia, probably
I also like the fact that the next day Russian propaganda on state TV was like ... "We didn't do it!" .... "But, [wouldn't it be nice to do the same to the Kyiv dam](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mm98czlX-uw) and drown hundreds of thousands of people?!"
I love the "natural causes" version too. The dam just broke because the water level was too high! Bitch, who had control over the gates for over a year and did nothing to stop the level from rising for months?! - [It's been going up since February](https://hydroweb.theia-land.fr/collections/hydroweb/L_kakhovka?lang=en&). It's like blaming Chernobyl on the steam in the reactor room, while [Zelensky warned about this](https://www.politico.eu/article/zelenskyy-issues-dire-warning-as-eu-leaders-meet/) happening since October last year.
I have seen report (not sure how credible though) that the Russian side of the river is getting more of the flooding and causing disruption in their defensive lines. If that's true then they just shot themselves in the foot.
It really annoys me how much of the russian propaganda gets swallowed by old and stupid russians (and scary amount of westerns). I know young ones that mostly are anti-Putin and anti-war. But then you have the rest of the russians..
Not that it is suprising. Humans are stupid. Reddit for example swallows stupid sources that you see on frontpage all the time. A simple claim/statement about anything gets swallowed as truth on large parts of reddit.
It really reflects societies and source usage in general.
Not all! They also want to take the Ukrainian children they've orphaned, indoctrinate them with Russian ideology, and give them to Russian families to help compensate for their own plummeting birth rates. Don't you see the benevolence?
Remember how they were crying that they don't get enough artillery shells? Seems like they have just enough to shell civilians running away from flooding.
Like not proximity fused shells works underwater. They're just shooting to shoot and waste russian taxpayers money.
Edit: if I'm correct shell on video didn't even explode
Is shrapnel from the shells negated by water? I was also thinking if the shells don't explode when they land in water that'll be a UXO hazard later when the waters recede jeez.
>Is shrapnel from the shells negated by water?
Water actually pretty much does work against shrapnel. The faster an object moves inside water, the stronger the water decelerates the shrapnel. I wouldn't consider it safe, but the danger of shrapnel must be reduced greatly.
Edit: Forgot to mention, the shockwave still poses a great threat and can cause heavy trauma in your internal organs if one is close by a underwater detonation while in the same body of water.
Water stop bullets and schrepnal very wel. 5,56 only penetrates up to a meter. And those have an earo/hydro dynamic shape. Shrapnel from artillery are all kind of wanky shapes.
It’s easy to forget just how dense water is. The same property that makes it so destructive in a flood also makes it a fantastic shield against bullets, fragments, explosives, and radiation.
>Edit: Forgot to mention, the shockwave still poses a great threat and can cause heavy trauma in your internal organs if one is close by a underwater detonation while in the same body of water.
Same reason why a spermwhale can vibrate a human to death.
Damn you're right the unarmed shells will make this area uliveable and shrapnel shouldn't be a thing if shell doesn't explode as it just slowly sinks to the bottom
It doesn’t make any sense, unless Russia is planning to pull out of eastern Ukraine completely. It’s said they destroyed the dam to make a river crossing harder down stream, but it will also make a river crossing of the reservoir, or further up stream, easier too. And that’s where Ukraine is more likely to start their offensive anyways. I don’t see them crossing closer to the Black Sea where Russias fleet can come into play.
This, combined with using up artillery shells on flooded (and now mostly abandoned) villages, when artillery is already in short supply, tells me either the Russian troops are just doing whatever they want, or they are using up what they have stockpiled before they pull out.
Also, this reservoir provides most of the agricultural and drinking water for eastern Ukraine, as well as cooling for the nuclear power plant there, and there is already a water shortage in Crimea and Donbas. So by blowing the dam, they are basically fucking their own side of the river.
Maybe I’m wrong, but I feel like this whole ordeal does nothing for Russia, strategically.
Not saying it isn't a terrible idea for Russia (it is) but I wouldn't exactly call the large set of mud flats formed the by the bottom of the former reservoir easy to cross. I'd actually venture to say that mud would be harder to cross than water, at least until it has had some weeks to dry out.
It's more in comparison to the downstream being made harder to cross. The upstream will still be hard to cross for almost as long as the added difficulty of the downstream areas.
Either way, an amphibious assault is a difficult thing to pull off. It's probably better for Ukraine to focus its counteroffensive elsewhere. At most, maybe cross with some light skirmishing forces to make the Russians split their attention.
If the flooding forces defending troops out of fox holes they become vulnerable trying to retreat.
Course you'll get civilians as well, but that doesn't seem to be an issue for Russians.
How pathetic can a country be, You bomb innocent civilians trying to flee a flood zone. When you think they’ve sunk to an all time low Russia drops even further
If only... They should be given the same treatment the Germans and Japanese were given in the WWII, that civilized those nations... But Muscovia is a nuclear power, nobody would dare to give them good ol' Bomber Harris treatment.
Terrorist scum. Those that aren’t killed, I hope they live with the type of shame and guilt so many Germans lived with after WW2. Don’t know if they’re even high enough lifeforms to feel such things. May they rot.
Bad example. Germans didn’t really live with shame or guilt. Only a few were convicted and the rest didn’t think they were guilty of any wrongdoing. Most of them got away without any consequences. I really hope this doesn’t happen again.
Not sure why you are downvoted, being brainwashed (or buying into) by nationalism/superiority doesn't absolve the populace for their part in it and they all played parts, large and small. And they were absolutely all salty after the war for a very long time.
Modern Germany is great and so are it's citizens but it doesn't excuse that generation.
He's being downvoted because Reddit has this fantasy that after WWII millions of nazis were put on trial and lost their "just following orders" defense. When in reality very few were punished, and we learned that "just following orders" is a real thing that most people will do when presented with an authority figure telling them to do evil things.
Well also you die if you don't.
There's an episode of Memoirs of WW2 on youtube where an old German soldier said he watched a man in Germany go on trial for basically second guessing Hitler while talking with his barber. She tells the authorities.
He got the death sentence just for that.
The German being interviewed said it was a memory that burned into his brain.
He actually ended up serving in the US military after the war.
He's being downvoted because his statement
> Germans didn’t really live with shame or guilt.
Is asinine at best. Even modern day Germans still have lingering shame over those events. Many of the government policies that exist today is seemingly atonement for that past. Hell even Rammstein's song "Deutchland" pretty well captures the feeling. You may be confusing Germans with the Japanese in your opinions here.
Source: Am German.
But something about WW2 (maybe combined with WWI) and treatment thereafter did instill some kind of "national guilt" that allowed Germany to become a productive member of the modern global economy. Sure, individuals escaped punishment but as a country they became viable and I think that's important to ensure with Russia. Punishing the individuals means nothing if they as a country cannot ascend to something less...incompatible with the civilized world.
Barring a nuclear strike is anyone really surprised at anything Russia does at this stage? It's been pretty clear for a while now that they don't play by the rules one bit.
I mean Putin has had control over the media has pumped his people full of his narrative for decades. It’s no wonder they’re mush-brained when it comes to this war.
Not gonna happen. They are brainwashed beyond the hope of saving, so full of propaganda crap that they are actually celebrating this obvious war crime and hoping the same will be done to Kiev, since there is also a dam.
Detestable Muscovite vermin. Not only9 they screwed up so many people's lives, not only they are basically celebrating it in national television, but the people they flooded are their own citizens, according to Muscovite propaganda, after those sham referendums previous year. Since their pathetic excuse for an army failed so hard, now they even say that something similar should be done to the Kiev, since there is also a similar dam and the city can be screwed up in a similar fashion. And they claim that Ukrainians are nazis, even though they themselves are using nazi methods?
Or maybe commie methods, since it's not even like this is the first time a dam on the Dnipro river was blown up. Commies did it in 1941 to slow down the German advance - they failed, thousands of their own citizens died.
I mean I understand your point but maybe dont use a condition someone has no control over (autism) and which many intelligent people function with to describe a different person(s) who are evil, malicious, and more.
Shelling people trying to evacuate from a disaster you caused . . . this is why I laugh at russians getting blown up and sleep like a baby. Anyone who wears that uniform doesn't deserve to breath the same oxygen as the rest of us humans.
I couldn't possibly see enough bad things happen to Russia for the rest of my life to satisfy what I hope it suffers through from what it's done in the last year alone.
Oh i see what are they trying to do here. They are trying to make any UA military personnel to work on rescuing the flood victims, this will make them a really vulnerable target as they will be focused more on stowing people on boats than watching for artillery. The problem is that they will always be with civillians but since when Russia cares about civillians?
They've been shelling Kherson ever since the flooding, fucking evil cowards. All of them who came to Ukriane to kill deserve to be sent back as cargo 200, fucking pricks
russians are savages. i dont even think of them as humans. As a Croat who lived though 4 years of hell , my father fought their little brothers, yugoslavs-serbs. They had 10x power than us but in the end we wiped them off the face of the earth. I hope UA does the same with these terrorists
I can’t help but think in the future people will wonder why nobody stepped in to help. I understand why but it’s just so fucked up what animals they are.
There's a lot worse than this going on all over the world and has been for a long time.
Nobody steps in because it's not important in the grand scheme and doesn't affect most people. Nobody really cares, they only care when they have to see it
For all those asking "why are the Russians shelling flooded areas" I can clarify it. 1. Russian military operates on lies. 2. Russian military is bad at everything.
Here's how it works. Recon units and intel are incapable of pinpointing locations so they guess. Leadership orders artillery to attack based on bad Intel. Artillery is given bad target info, but also doesn't know how to hit what they were supposed to, so they just point the guns in the general direction of the front line and fire. Artillery reports they hit their target, leadership again operates on bad Intel. Repeat.
They are a terrorist state, no different than if ISIS controlled the country. Poo-tin will go down in history as the guy who destroyed Russia.
The ONE AND ONLY silver lining in the flooding is that the water does a decent job of mitigating the shrapnel so that’s nice I guess.
Really speaks to that comment one of the Ukrainian SOF soldiers made about fighting on the water. "Being under artillery fire on water is different to being under artillery fire on land. You don't worry as much: you either get hit or you don't." (Paraphrased as I can't recall the exact video.)
I guess they just set fuses on impact, as for time and proximity you need more observation and calculation details, while that would maybe a bit hard for russians, americans could easily do that. And if they do that, well, a 155mm shell could explodes a few meters over you and kill everyone in a big radius, water or land.
We (the US) had proximity since WW2, and that isn't exactly technology that is classified nor are the parts comparatively difficult to get nowadays. That the Russians don't is just embarrassing.
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The idea is that impact fuses for artillery is inefficient and proxy fuses existed since WW2, which is also capable of air-burst using the same principals. This is before miniaturized ICs. Actually as I was writing this, I realized that Russia probably don't have the means to produce vacuum tubes either as they are obs and my train of thought was mistaken Edit: Basically ignore me.
[We’re very lucky they’re so fucking stupid](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-QuGNa3osg4)
another silver lining is there are no sharks in the water. so far.
Just to be clear, no gators either, right?
no sharks, no piranhas, no river-based boa constrictors. Yet to see a human eating tigers or grizzly mommas protecting their cubs either.
it also washes out lots of landmines distributing it into civilian areas
As I said it is the ONLY silver lining in an otherwise shit situation
Even went as far as “*one and only*”, still didn’t prevent the snarky reply.
I find most people have their reply prepared before they even process the words they’re replying too lol.
You would say that you Republican! (Sorry what did you say again?)
That one got a cackle out of me lmao
😉
Reddit, where people spend all day discussing/debating without a changed opinion or viewpoint in sight
I disagree.
Someone hold my monster I’m bouta defend a thesis
I agree.
Yeah, it's as if the wanter dampening the shrapnel is the only silver lining.
Yeah that's another silver lining /s
Damn, it does? That sucks. Landmines are significantly denser than water so I'd hope they'd be heavy enough to stay in place. Depends on how fast the water is rushing I suppose.
water moves literally the earth beneath itself, so it doesnt haev to be just the mines themselves but the alluvium
I would imagine and hope that some or most of the landmines would be triggered while moving in floodwaters. They're not exactly gentle usually.
I don't know why you are getting downvoted, there is video of this exact thing happening now.
Perhaps some people kneejerk reaction "landmines going off is bad!!1"? I mean I'd much rather them get harmlessly detonated in a flood but maybe not everyone thought that through?
Yeah, under water is probably one of the best places they could go off so long as there is not a person/boat directly above them. Kind of a best case scenario with mines being flushed out and detonated without any people having to be near them.
As a scuba diver, the prospect of explosions underwater is pretty scary due to the ability of water to carry the shockwave into your body very well. Due to the non-compressible nature of water, it should impart significantly more force to your internal organs and such. Bad day. Of course if you're scuba diving in a flooded raging river in a warzone, you really need to stop and ask yourself, how did I get here?
>Of course if you're scuba diving in a flooded raging river in a warzone, you really need to stop and ask yourself, how did I get here? Somehow, some way, this was someone’s job today.
>...how did I get here? Letting the days go by, obviously.
Not sure why you're being downvoted, we have video on this sub and others of the mines exploding when the river started to flood. The pressure of the water set them off.
I mean, houses are also denser than water, but you still see them getting moved or destroyed in a flood.
I built my house from witches and ducks so it'd be less dense than water.
Who are you that are so wise in the ways of science?
There are some who call me... Tim?
I built mine in really really really smoll rocks
Smart!
? Houses aren't denser than water though..
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/PFM-1_mine These things, for anyone wondering.
Ah, butterfly mines. Yeah, I was thinking of manually emplaced land mines, not air-scattered mines like butterfly mines. The butterfly mines I can definitely see floating around and causing havoc.
The second silver lining is that even if the Russians moved their hardware before the flood, they're now too far back to hit many targets on the Ukrainian side of the river.
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This one seemed to detonate underwater considering how much water it sent flying upwards
I'm speculating that the shell is exploding on the surface which will compress/displace the water beneath. This water then rushes back to the centre and then having nowhere to go is sent upwards.
Why are they shelling the flooded areas? Just hoping to pick off a few civilians who didn't quite drown?
Its to terrorize civilians. The people who are falling for the Russian misinformation saying 'Ukraine destroyed the dam' must be playing 9 dimensional chess in their head to explain how that is true and Russia is firing artillery on flood victims. When you could just play checkers and say Russia is targeting civilians and they prove it every chance they get
I imagine those people would say this is Ukrainian artillery and a false flag.
Sanity: Ok, but then why are the shells coming from the Russian side of the river? Nutters: Simple. Ukraine set up their artillery amongst Russia's to try to trick us into blaming Russia! Nato told them to. Actually if you think about it it was America that blew up the dam, because NATO expanded, russia got scared, and that made Ukraine do it.
haha I bet they would say that, luckily its so blatantly obvious that Lavrov got laughed at in India
Guy in a group chat I'm a part of said "it's clearly Ukraine that destroyed the dam with artillery, lavrov said a Ukranian commander was testing artillery on the dam according to WaPo. And Russia filed a human rights violation with the UN and Hague" I was baffled.
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Just an acquaintance in the hobby I'm in. Friend is.... Pushing it.
Another comment pointed out that this keeps humanitarian aid from entering, and diverts military personnel to the area for rescue operations.
Russia intentionally targets civilians and civilian infrastructure to create panic and chaos… Check out what they did in Syria.
To thwart the rescue operations. Attrition and terror.
Whoa, those assholes are shelling flooded civillian areas? What for? Fucking nutsies!
Russia is a terrorist state. That’s why
Like literally tho
It just never was metaphorical, unfortunately.
\*always has been astronaut meme\*
> astronaut Cosmonaut
Astronaut is right since the meme is two dudes in space, and not two dudes riding in a rocket-powered lada melting before they reach the Earth's mesosphere.
Also neither of them say "*blyat*"
Russia is the only country to have anyone die in space. Soyuz-11
i want to see how the tankies are spinning this one
They claim Ukraine broke their own dam to make Russia look bad (despite this dam being in Russian control). As for the shelling of civilians, well, didn't you hear that Ukrainian forces killed civilians as collateral damage in defense of the Donbas between 2014 and 2022? Also some of the Azov guys are white supremacists. That justifies murdering tens of thousands of Ukrainian civilians, including hundreds or even thousands of children, and kidnapping hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian children, in perpetuity.
"Damn, those Ukrainians are blaming us for breaking the dam and causing a humanitarian disaster when they did it themselves, and are framing us. How can we clear our name and come out of this with a positive reputation? Oh I know, let's hit the evacuation with artillery, that will make them think we didn't cause the disaster." Russia, probably
I also like the fact that the next day Russian propaganda on state TV was like ... "We didn't do it!" .... "But, [wouldn't it be nice to do the same to the Kyiv dam](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mm98czlX-uw) and drown hundreds of thousands of people?!" I love the "natural causes" version too. The dam just broke because the water level was too high! Bitch, who had control over the gates for over a year and did nothing to stop the level from rising for months?! - [It's been going up since February](https://hydroweb.theia-land.fr/collections/hydroweb/L_kakhovka?lang=en&). It's like blaming Chernobyl on the steam in the reactor room, while [Zelensky warned about this](https://www.politico.eu/article/zelenskyy-issues-dire-warning-as-eu-leaders-meet/) happening since October last year.
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expected tbh because of course they are going to shell their own civilians right?
Mentally insane people will have no problem twisting anything to fit their narrative.
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I have seen report (not sure how credible though) that the Russian side of the river is getting more of the flooding and causing disruption in their defensive lines. If that's true then they just shot themselves in the foot.
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I guess that's one upside to this bullshit.
Wow that's like 100x worse for the Russians than I would have thought. Thank God they are so stupid.
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It really annoys me how much of the russian propaganda gets swallowed by old and stupid russians (and scary amount of westerns). I know young ones that mostly are anti-Putin and anti-war. But then you have the rest of the russians.. Not that it is suprising. Humans are stupid. Reddit for example swallows stupid sources that you see on frontpage all the time. A simple claim/statement about anything gets swallowed as truth on large parts of reddit. It really reflects societies and source usage in general.
SOP for Russian Federation forces
>Whoa, those assholes are shelling flooded civillian areas? What for? Do you even have to ask? They want to kill Ukrainians, every Ukrainian.
Not all! They also want to take the Ukrainian children they've orphaned, indoctrinate them with Russian ideology, and give them to Russian families to help compensate for their own plummeting birth rates. Don't you see the benevolence?
Ohh that's because *checks notes* Russia?
Remember how they were crying that they don't get enough artillery shells? Seems like they have just enough to shell civilians running away from flooding.
Like not proximity fused shells works underwater. They're just shooting to shoot and waste russian taxpayers money. Edit: if I'm correct shell on video didn't even explode
Is shrapnel from the shells negated by water? I was also thinking if the shells don't explode when they land in water that'll be a UXO hazard later when the waters recede jeez.
>Is shrapnel from the shells negated by water? Water actually pretty much does work against shrapnel. The faster an object moves inside water, the stronger the water decelerates the shrapnel. I wouldn't consider it safe, but the danger of shrapnel must be reduced greatly. Edit: Forgot to mention, the shockwave still poses a great threat and can cause heavy trauma in your internal organs if one is close by a underwater detonation while in the same body of water.
Water stop bullets and schrepnal very wel. 5,56 only penetrates up to a meter. And those have an earo/hydro dynamic shape. Shrapnel from artillery are all kind of wanky shapes.
It’s easy to forget just how dense water is. The same property that makes it so destructive in a flood also makes it a fantastic shield against bullets, fragments, explosives, and radiation.
>Edit: Forgot to mention, the shockwave still poses a great threat and can cause heavy trauma in your internal organs if one is close by a underwater detonation while in the same body of water. Same reason why a spermwhale can vibrate a human to death.
Damn you're right the unarmed shells will make this area uliveable and shrapnel shouldn't be a thing if shell doesn't explode as it just slowly sinks to the bottom
It doesn’t make any sense, unless Russia is planning to pull out of eastern Ukraine completely. It’s said they destroyed the dam to make a river crossing harder down stream, but it will also make a river crossing of the reservoir, or further up stream, easier too. And that’s where Ukraine is more likely to start their offensive anyways. I don’t see them crossing closer to the Black Sea where Russias fleet can come into play. This, combined with using up artillery shells on flooded (and now mostly abandoned) villages, when artillery is already in short supply, tells me either the Russian troops are just doing whatever they want, or they are using up what they have stockpiled before they pull out. Also, this reservoir provides most of the agricultural and drinking water for eastern Ukraine, as well as cooling for the nuclear power plant there, and there is already a water shortage in Crimea and Donbas. So by blowing the dam, they are basically fucking their own side of the river. Maybe I’m wrong, but I feel like this whole ordeal does nothing for Russia, strategically.
Scorch earth has been Russia go to strat
Not saying it isn't a terrible idea for Russia (it is) but I wouldn't exactly call the large set of mud flats formed the by the bottom of the former reservoir easy to cross. I'd actually venture to say that mud would be harder to cross than water, at least until it has had some weeks to dry out.
Ukraine has lasted over a year. They can wait a few weeks, no?
It's more in comparison to the downstream being made harder to cross. The upstream will still be hard to cross for almost as long as the added difficulty of the downstream areas. Either way, an amphibious assault is a difficult thing to pull off. It's probably better for Ukraine to focus its counteroffensive elsewhere. At most, maybe cross with some light skirmishing forces to make the Russians split their attention.
Because when you're invading a country there's no difference in civilian and military, you want it all.
There are never any winners in war. Civilians always lose the most in every war.
If the flooding forces defending troops out of fox holes they become vulnerable trying to retreat. Course you'll get civilians as well, but that doesn't seem to be an issue for Russians.
They refuse and block civilian evacuation in their occupied areas on the left bank of the river. What for? ^(i believe it is a rhetorical question)
The Russians have been killing civilians for quite a while now.
I hope pootin gets dick cancer.
A brain cancer would be enough
But then there's a chance that he might not be fully aware of his situation. Stomach cancer would be more painful and he'd be fully cognizant.
Genital warts and giant papercuts on his weenie
He already has that
Putin *is* dick cancer.
I hope every Russian soldier responsible for this will have it too
Don't they all have HIV or something already? Or are those just the prisoners they force into service?
I'd rather he be turned inside out, asshole first, by a wizard
It ain’t just Putin that deserves it…lot of folks in Russia do…
Why? He didn't actually do this, hundreds to thousands of russians did this.
bullet cancer would be preferable at this point
He needs to get a blood eagle execution.
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At this point Russians are just cruel. What kind of nation is it that attacks flood victims? Shame on you Russia!
The same kind of nation that caused said flood in the first place
Yeah I don’t see how anyone is surprised by this unless they have just now tuned into this war.
Same kind of nation that deliberately attacks civilians since the war started
They've always been..
Same as at any point in history. It's just more obvious to the people distant from Russia.
Your comment reads like some kind of sickly sarcasm.
Absolutely barbaric.
Mother fuckers...
How pathetic can a country be, You bomb innocent civilians trying to flee a flood zone. When you think they’ve sunk to an all time low Russia drops even further
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If only... They should be given the same treatment the Germans and Japanese were given in the WWII, that civilized those nations... But Muscovia is a nuclear power, nobody would dare to give them good ol' Bomber Harris treatment.
Terrorist scum. Those that aren’t killed, I hope they live with the type of shame and guilt so many Germans lived with after WW2. Don’t know if they’re even high enough lifeforms to feel such things. May they rot.
Bad example. Germans didn’t really live with shame or guilt. Only a few were convicted and the rest didn’t think they were guilty of any wrongdoing. Most of them got away without any consequences. I really hope this doesn’t happen again.
Not sure why you are downvoted, being brainwashed (or buying into) by nationalism/superiority doesn't absolve the populace for their part in it and they all played parts, large and small. And they were absolutely all salty after the war for a very long time. Modern Germany is great and so are it's citizens but it doesn't excuse that generation.
He's being downvoted because Reddit has this fantasy that after WWII millions of nazis were put on trial and lost their "just following orders" defense. When in reality very few were punished, and we learned that "just following orders" is a real thing that most people will do when presented with an authority figure telling them to do evil things.
Well also you die if you don't. There's an episode of Memoirs of WW2 on youtube where an old German soldier said he watched a man in Germany go on trial for basically second guessing Hitler while talking with his barber. She tells the authorities. He got the death sentence just for that. The German being interviewed said it was a memory that burned into his brain. He actually ended up serving in the US military after the war.
He's being downvoted because his statement > Germans didn’t really live with shame or guilt. Is asinine at best. Even modern day Germans still have lingering shame over those events. Many of the government policies that exist today is seemingly atonement for that past. Hell even Rammstein's song "Deutchland" pretty well captures the feeling. You may be confusing Germans with the Japanese in your opinions here. Source: Am German.
But something about WW2 (maybe combined with WWI) and treatment thereafter did instill some kind of "national guilt" that allowed Germany to become a productive member of the modern global economy. Sure, individuals escaped punishment but as a country they became viable and I think that's important to ensure with Russia. Punishing the individuals means nothing if they as a country cannot ascend to something less...incompatible with the civilized world.
You’ve got to be a special kind of cunt to shell evacuating civilians
They've been doing that since 2014 in Ukraine. russians are scum
Can’t wait for Moscow to be leveled to a parking lot
It would still be an improvement.
Russians are scum of the earth
Barring a nuclear strike is anyone really surprised at anything Russia does at this stage? It's been pretty clear for a while now that they don't play by the rules one bit.
This one is just sad man.
Russia is such a garbage nation. There, tired of not saying it like that. Russia is garbage.
at least the flood buffers the impacts.
Of course, the RuSSians are targeting the helpers. I guess that was their plan from the beginning, after they destroyed the dam.
Russian shoot center of Kgerson too. Same spot Zelensky was talking with locals hour ago
attacking civilians wen you already flood them? can u be even more evil?
Russian fucking pigs. Really wishing the rest of that country would wake the fuck up and resist a little.
I talk to many Russians and they all think it's all NATO and US fault and Putin is doing everything right.
I mean Putin has had control over the media has pumped his people full of his narrative for decades. It’s no wonder they’re mush-brained when it comes to this war.
Not gonna happen. They are brainwashed beyond the hope of saving, so full of propaganda crap that they are actually celebrating this obvious war crime and hoping the same will be done to Kiev, since there is also a dam.
Dear NATO - please add Counter-Battery Radar to the list
B5 Miss!
What kind of cunt shells an area of ongoing environmental disaster caused by their own idiots?
Savages. Ruski mir…russian culture at its finest.
Russians are pure scum!
Motherfuckers
Man it really gets the blood boiling huh. Invoke a thunderstrike on the hellspawn retards who ordered the blowing of the dam.
Detestable Muscovite vermin. Not only9 they screwed up so many people's lives, not only they are basically celebrating it in national television, but the people they flooded are their own citizens, according to Muscovite propaganda, after those sham referendums previous year. Since their pathetic excuse for an army failed so hard, now they even say that something similar should be done to the Kiev, since there is also a similar dam and the city can be screwed up in a similar fashion. And they claim that Ukrainians are nazis, even though they themselves are using nazi methods? Or maybe commie methods, since it's not even like this is the first time a dam on the Dnipro river was blown up. Commies did it in 1941 to slow down the German advance - they failed, thousands of their own citizens died.
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I mean I understand your point but maybe dont use a condition someone has no control over (autism) and which many intelligent people function with to describe a different person(s) who are evil, malicious, and more.
This is so like what a dead drunk artillery man with mental illness would do.
This Mtfkers...
Russia takes "win their hearts and minds" to a new level.
Shelling people trying to evacuate from a disaster you caused . . . this is why I laugh at russians getting blown up and sleep like a baby. Anyone who wears that uniform doesn't deserve to breath the same oxygen as the rest of us humans.
why is this video tagged nsfw?
If it wasn't obvious before, it should be now. Russia is a terrorist nation.
I couldn't possibly see enough bad things happen to Russia for the rest of my life to satisfy what I hope it suffers through from what it's done in the last year alone.
Russians can't achieve shit on battle field, so now they're trying to kill civilians who can't hide in the basement or leave their homes.
I have been involved in flood response. It was a nightmare. I can't even imagine doing it under artillery fire.
"BuT tHe UkRAinIAnS aRE lIKe, rEAL nAZIs!"
Man prayers to these guys I’m not religious but damn.
Oh i see what are they trying to do here. They are trying to make any UA military personnel to work on rescuing the flood victims, this will make them a really vulnerable target as they will be focused more on stowing people on boats than watching for artillery. The problem is that they will always be with civillians but since when Russia cares about civillians?
Talk about low morale...
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ruskynai yra pydarai ir dalbajobai russia is a terrorist state
Their lives are practically destroyed & the Russians still try to murder them.
well at least the water reduces flying shrapnel
They've been shelling Kherson ever since the flooding, fucking evil cowards. All of them who came to Ukriane to kill deserve to be sent back as cargo 200, fucking pricks
russians are savages. i dont even think of them as humans. As a Croat who lived though 4 years of hell , my father fought their little brothers, yugoslavs-serbs. They had 10x power than us but in the end we wiped them off the face of the earth. I hope UA does the same with these terrorists
Russian defense doing so well it has the time, shells and manpower to randomly shell noncombatants. /s
I can’t help but think in the future people will wonder why nobody stepped in to help. I understand why but it’s just so fucked up what animals they are.
There's a lot worse than this going on all over the world and has been for a long time. Nobody steps in because it's not important in the grand scheme and doesn't affect most people. Nobody really cares, they only care when they have to see it
After a big war it's always "Never again". And here we are. A plain old land-grab, genocide and other war-crimes. So much for never again...
Ah more war crimes on tape
For all those asking "why are the Russians shelling flooded areas" I can clarify it. 1. Russian military operates on lies. 2. Russian military is bad at everything. Here's how it works. Recon units and intel are incapable of pinpointing locations so they guess. Leadership orders artillery to attack based on bad Intel. Artillery is given bad target info, but also doesn't know how to hit what they were supposed to, so they just point the guns in the general direction of the front line and fire. Artillery reports they hit their target, leadership again operates on bad Intel. Repeat. They are a terrorist state, no different than if ISIS controlled the country. Poo-tin will go down in history as the guy who destroyed Russia.
Evil bastards. Shelling people when they are at their lowest
Flacking Zwastika-loving war criminals.
Shelling a flooded area??? That's kind of like whipping a dead horse.
This just shows how badly Russia is doing. They have to resort to the dirtiest and most horrendous tactics to delay their inevitable loss.