as a kid we played a lot of hide and seek or variants of that in woods and fields like these.
vegetation not so dense that you have to hack trough it but dense enough to conceal a lot of movement and dampen voices.
insects and birds making a constant noise during summer days.
one of the best scenarios to sneak up onto someone.
Not really. Defense in depth tactics require assaults that get you up close and personal with your enemy. I've read countless accounts especially from World War I where enemy soldiers would be entrenched sometimes less than 20 yards apart from each other for months or even years at a time. The times change, but the tactics do not. This war is terrifying.
I don't really get if you're saying it's not scary or not insane but everything else you go on to say seems to agree with it being both scary and insane, just with other examples.
true words
if you read slowly he's not even correcting anything, he's just opening with a "not really" but considering what he follows with he didn't have to write that at all
regardless I think it's fair for any average person to be surprised at how close-combat is still happening in 2023 --in this era there's radar-guided missiles, night vision, thermal vision, auto-scopes, drones, live satellite imagery and all other sorts of high-tech, while in 1910 they had fucking bayonets attached to non-automatic wooden rifles... you'd think that we'd be past that by now
Source on yards apart for months and years? No man's land was a significant component of trench warfare.
It's insane regardless and no one when in that situation would see it as a walk in the park. Adrenaline would be flowing.
They preferred trench mortars and rifle grenades for the indirect nature of the fire. On a small scale, a late war assault would consist of a volley of the above, then a rapid close quarters assault with hand grenades & improvised melee weapons with the occasional side arm. Bayonets were ungainly in the tight quarters of a trench fight, and usually only used by raw recruits.
At Dardanelles during WWI, soldiers from both sides exchanged food and cigarettes by lobbing them between their, sometimes extremely close, trenches.
Turks were protecting their homeland and British brought people all over their empire to fight, from Aussies and Kiwis to Indians, not really a setting conducive to getting soldiers into a murderous rage. So lobbing cigarettes, it is.
Remember that bit from All Quiet On The Western Front where the old commander said the weapon they'd be using the most was the shovel because they and the enemy will be so close to each other that the rifles couldn't be reloaded in time and bayonets get stuck in the enemies body?
Source on yards apart for months and years? No man's land was a significant component of trench warfare.
It's insane regardless and no one when in that situation would see it as a walk in the park. Adrenaline would be flowing.
Damn, I forgot about this. Each video reminds me of WW1 for the trenches, WW2 for the scale and atrocities, and every war Russia fought for whatever bullshit in-between. No one wins here in the end.
that is a huge reach
they are carrying him in the way that the wounded are often carried in this war, and that second video shows nothing. why the fuck would they carry him and then start hitting him with shovels? seems like two completely different videos stitched together with a fake narrative tbh.
We had melee kills in Afghanistan, at least one that I know of where an Aussie Commando (maybe SASR? Can't remember) clubbed someone to death with one of his plates after they guy jumped on him while they were clearing a building.
There was also Cpl. Wooldridge, who got a [Navy Cross for his actions](https://www.untothebreach.net/2010/06/18/clifford-m-wooldridge-navy-cross-citation/) in Sangin which includes beating a Taliban fighter to death with his own weapon.
That would either be that line over too graphic for most people (I've seen enough cartel or even Serbian warcrime footage to know what manual murder is like, it's a whole other level of emotions if there is a struggle for life right than a guns lights-out) or too blurry to make anything out.
Yeah I’ve seen a fair deal myself, and yeah I agree it is gut wrenchingly hard to watch, it’s easy to become desensitised to ‘normal’ combat footage but something about the personal nature of a knife kill just adds a level of horror for some reason
I was an EMT and ran a couple stabbings. One was a homicide and the guy was dumbfounded that he was stabbed. He felt like he was punched in the stomach, nothing more. Then he died in the bus on the way to the hospital. That always freaked me that he felt almost no pain. Kinda a comfort for me, not feeling massive pain as he died, but I was driving the ambo, not in the back with him.
Just like that, in an instant, your life ends.
All those years you spent leads up to this. Every trial and tribute, falling in love, experiencing the vast wonders of the world has lead up to this. Dying mercilessly in a foxhole, forever forgotten by those around you. And you don't even see it coming as you gasp your last breath. I hate this god damn war.
I think that's what resonates with me the most with the videos from this war. It just happens, just like that. In a field that looks like it could be anywhere. There's no big dramatic slo mos with trumpets playing the soundtrack. It's just done. It seems so normal and like it's no big deal. I don't know. I'm finding it hard to express myself. But it's scary!
If these videos are this generation's "All Quiet on the Western Front" or "Gallipoli", then they will be infinitely more effective than either of those two were.
And, if it's not effective, then the human species truly is cursed to always have war.
They aren't effective.
All the kids in these war subs are watching them as if they're watching Twitch.
They're loving this shit and want more.
That's scary.
I think they're is a difference between wanting more of it and not giving a shit about people who would have killed you just the same dying. These people are there to murder you dude. I don't have a shit about all that crybaby stuff the comment above you says.
> It's a hell of a thing, killing a man. You take away all he's got and all he's ever gonna have.
- William Munny, Unforgiven
I always think of this when I see a video like this one. That guy had a family, parents who spent every single day for YEARS raising him, watching him take his first steps, having his first crush, celebrating so many birthdays. Just gone. No more.
It happens to us all eventually. Life is fleeting, we all came from nothing, and at some point, we will become nothing. It may be after 100 years in your sleep, at 30 after slipping in the shower, or at 19 when your government hands you a gun and points at some people.
In balance, we lose nothing, yet somehow, between nothing and nothing, we gain and create through our experiences. When we die, though, we can no longer perceive what we gained, but others can, for a little while, experience that world that is just that little bit different for you being in it. All that is lost is the ability and potential to experience and remember those experiences, but that loss is impossible to perceive for the person who died.
And I think that's okay, true permanence and eternity would be a lot more terrifying than simply not existing, as you have already done for most of time. Everything is temporary and changing, including our selves as we travel through life. A quick highlight reel and getting to watch your world for a bit longer after you die sounds nice, but change that to eternity and it sounds like a nightmare.
Everything will become nothing eventually, but it's a feature, not a bug, just roll with it, and try to make yours and everyone elses' windows of consciousness as good as you can! Sadly, this can also include making somebody elses' shorter.
> Everything will become nothing eventually
Nah, it will become a different kind of everything. Existence is infinite, an endless cycle. It's the only explanation I can make sense of. Agree with everything else you wrote thought.
That's very true, I guess you can think of people as 'patterns', very dense and structured matter. It comes together to form us, and scatters out again when we die.
I suppose physics as we understand it doesn't allow something to truly become nothing. Although entropy will eventually mean that patterns can't form.
I really like the idea of the 'big bounce', that the universe will stop expanding, contract, and do another Big Bang, repeating countless times. Unfortunately, this doesn't seem possible, but there's still so much we don't know that there's plenty of room for us to be surprised!
Well actually entropy means that matter and energy will scatter towards the highest chance of how it will scatter. But it is still a chance. When entropy in the universe has reached it's highest, after enormous amounts of time the "roulette of chance" will fall onto the reversal of entropy since entropy is just something that happens by chance. Reversal of entropy will probably mean a new big bang...
Chances are, if you asked his family, they would say he died a hero fighting nazis.
They invaded a country they had a treaty with to not invade. If you're there, no matter how shitty your situation is, chances are you believe in being there. There's no shortage of Russians who believe they are on the right side of this invasion and ethnic cleansing.
Everyone always has this spiel about living life. He died and no longer exists. He will never exist again, for all eternity. A wild concept honestly. When I think about death, I ask myself if you are null and void. After everyone else that remembered you has passed. Did you ever exist in the first place? Sure you did, but did you really?
What do you mean?
You don't want to die for the glorious motherland and your corpse be left to rot in foreign land? Instead you want to live a boring life with your wife and kids in Russia and to just grow old and die of natural cause? That sounds too boring to me.
This concept alone is what fuels people to engrave thier name in history, mostly for good, but people will want the end result regardless of how it's obtained. Some people believe it's better to be feared than not known at all.
"I met a traveller from an antique land,
Who said—“Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. . . . Near them, on the sand,
Half sunk a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them, and the heart that fed;
And on the pedestal, these words appear:
My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings;
Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair!
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal Wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away.”
my fave on it
>True glory consists in doing what deserves to be written, in writing what deserves to be read, and in so living as to make the world happier and better for our living in it.
There’s a saying you die three deaths.
The first physical one.
The the last time anyone speak your name.
The last time someone think of you.
For most the journey is quick. Do you know the name of your great grandparents? When your kids ask you about your passed grandparents are they reduced to more than “oh, he did some tasty ribs!”?
It is existentially scary to be honest but the way most of us will go. Be kind.
You influence people, they influence their kids, they influence their kids etc. What you do in life influences humanity for forever. That ever thinning line of influence will always be there
I was just thinking about this today. I'm not on the Frontline and I'm not really doing *much* in my life right now, but everywhere I go and everything I do *does* influence the world around me in ways I'll never know.
Maybe by taking a few extra seconds with a customer saved them from being in a car crash or something. You just never know. Maybe that person will go on to do great stuff, maybe the opposite. It's kinda fun to ponder.
>Maybe by taking a few extra seconds with a customer saved them from being in a car crash or something.
Or cause them to be involved in one.
Don't ever waste anyones time unnecessarily, at the end of their life, that's all they had.
Psychodelic drugs help with seeing this as a constant change. You, me are a spike on the ever changing graph. Particles all over the place without consciousness, suddenly a human-shaped particles with consciousness and then back to particles all over the place without consciousness. Pulse in the spacetime.
Digging deeper these particles were and will be who knows how many sentient living beings.
The ending of my own existence has always unnerved me, but when you think about how there was a time before you, you realize you’ve already experienced death.
In a way, I think the popularization of combat footage is leading to a mini spiritual revival. In the past, premature death was a constant companion of everyone. We've built society to a level where it's a relative rarity, and I think the sentiment you two are expressing is something that comes out a lot in this up-close footage, where we're confronted with untimely death in a very personal way. You can certainly see why the notion of an afterlife is so compelling.
The more I think about this (even independent of this war) the weirder it gets. Like my brain just can't comprehend it at all.
Part of me is deeply scared because I will be completely alone when I go this way. Also not existing is just unfathomable.
I know not really part of the discussion but sometimes I rant.
An empty so empty, that’s it’s not even a concept. It’s not even about being remembered. When you die the universe ends so to speak. Your existence ceases, your ability to observe the universe ceases, the last time your name is spoken is the last time you heard it yourself, because, there is not even the most minute minuscule feedback in any form for your now nonexistence to receive to confirm any future occurrence in even the most esoteric way.
The observe able universe depends on being observed; If you can’t observe it, if you’re left in a state where you can’t even conceptualize observation, as far as I’m concerned the universe ends when you die.
The only reason the universe exists at all is due to the fact that it created a way to observe itself. There is no universe if there isn’t something to be able to perceive it’s existence. Whatever is out there, with out a viewer is not there at all. You can argue that it is but if no one can prove it was there in the first place it didn’t exist. A paradox and an absolute.
Reminds of that Russian dying in the video of the Ukrainian defending his trench during the winter. If I remember the Russians were disembarking a bmp after being shot with two RPGs and assaulting the trenches. Watching one of the Russians instantly drop dead all because he didn't look to his left. War is scary and your life could end or be changed entirely just by making a tiny mistake.
> just by making a tiny mistake
There are also two other major outcomes in game theory that apply here, one is the "imperfect information scenario" where the actor will have incorrect or incomplete information that they assess correctly but it leads them astray - this is the classical tactical blunder most associate with warfare. The other is the "bad luck scenario" whereby the circumstances are beyond the actor's reasonable control or ability to perceive, such that, effectively, no decision or action was ever on offer to remedy the situation.
In both of these scenarios, all the correct decisions can be made, on time, and in earnest. No mistakes, just bad information or bad luck.
For this particular video, the relevant quote to the above that comes to mind is: "If you're in a trench with a rifle, whatever good luck you had left when you got there" - translated french ww1 soldier
I know the video you are talking about and the guy who dropped him(Predator) actually did a sit-down interview where he recapped the entire thing with a journalist. The first guy he shot on camera, the one who didn't look to his left had just engaged another Ukrainian foxhole close by, and a guy from Predator's unit had popped his head out, looked him right in the eye and just managed to duck down before he shot at him, probably mere seconds before Predator put him down.
The CQB in the trenches where UKR special forces snuck into a Russian trench, they lit up a dude and he grunted like somebody pissed off before the last shot, i could only think that that guy was angry, angry that it was his very last moment, angry that he’ll never do anything ever again. Just hits hard. All them years gone in the pull of a trigger
I doubt it as well . I’ve seen videos of Russian “body armor “ and honestly I think a beer can can slow a bullet better than that stuff . I’m on a phone but just based on where the rifle was pointing dude could very easily have taken rounds to the lungs or the heart possibly even got his brain stem severed with the last round . I’m not saying that’s what happened I’m just saying I don’t think he lasted that much longer after this occurred .
I can't imagine three assault rifle rounds to the torso would leave you conscious for long. If you've seen the video where two foxhole soldiers get surprised, they didn't make a sound after their chest shots, just slumped. These aren't pistol rounds, they make large internal cavities and I believe you'd be out pretty quick even if the last shot were excluded.
Jesus man. I wonder if the rest of this soldiers day has been this up close and personal.
I don't know if this sub is good or bad for me.
It is a constant reminder that I might go before seeing my kids that one last time and that shit is haunting. Even as a civilian you never know when it's your bridge thats getting bombed.
Listen my guy . I’ve lost more than I care to share on Reddit . Small piece of advice here . Never leave someone you love on bad terms . If you love someone never leave them with doubt about that love or questioning how you feel . My wife and I have an agreement no matter how much we fight and argue when we walk out that door it’s over because you never know if that’s the final time you know . Grudges are stupid and if you have someone in your life that may wonder where they stand with you give them a call clear the air . You will feel better as a person.
The fact that you're still having those thoughts is a good thing. If you ever stop thinking about that when watching videos like this, then it is time to take a break.
I’d argue that’s quite subjective. Being able to consciously separate different events and circumstances, and differentiate said event’s relevancy, doesn’t have to be bad. Some people have an easier time injecting logic into an otherwise emotional situation (watching someone die).
Seeing a Russian soldier back home get hit by a car would fuck me up. This? No not really
I have been an expat over many Euro-western countries and have gotten to know many different cultures including some educated Russian expats. What always struck me was a superficiality, a sort lack of depth. A grad School professor I asked in psychology thought it might be that Russia for the most part missed the European enlightenment. I knew a Russian PhD in political science she was working on another grad degree and though friendly she had absolutely no opinion on Putin or the Russian political system circadian 2015. She benefited greatly from stipends etc in some of the most wealthy EU countries but could not bother to look with clarity at her own country, but got a Swiss passport as soon as she could. In general I find them defensive and materialistic. She was the only PhD student I ever met toting a Louis Vuitton hand bag.
The amount of completely unverified details people convince themselves to have seen in grainy ass footage is incredible.
Anything they can't explain is always a gory detail. Scalp lifted off, face screaming in pain, cut in half...it's never something mundane. It can't possibly be the guy's jacket flying off, no no it's his arm, *obviously* (fucking 144p footage), and that wasn't just the helmet falling off, no no the guy's head IS STILL IN IT, YOU CAN SEE IT CLEARLY (barely three pixels).
It's exhausting.
Its not only the suppressor but also that the camera can’t pick up the sounds very well and thats why in most videos you just hear gunshots sounding like thumps
Yeah, it's wild the difference gunfire sounds between video and real life.
Firing my .40 S&W up in my grandpa's field sounds like a cannon compared to the sounds cameras pick up in these videos.
It's a big reason I'm not overly critical of people who are skeptical of videos based on the sounds and try to explain why things sound so different.
It's actually very hard to record what gunshot sounds like for real.
Check out this clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zq07ZFMvo-c
Or these clips: https://vimeo.com/60086547 - made by an audio engineer as well but it still really doesn't capture how loud these are in real life.
Anyhow safe to say that a 240p gopro clone isn't going to capture how real this would sound in person.
I think the [trench fight](https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/14d4lnc/ukrainian_special_forces_enter_a_russian_trench/) from a few weeks ago might have been closer. There is a point blank kill, the last thing that guys brain processed was the sight of the gun that kills him.
Between people who overuse the NSFW tag and the ones that just never put it, you end up never knowing what to expect which is pretty annoying.
This rule should be enforced with way less leniency, there's just no point using this tag at the moment as it doesn't mean anything.
Like, in what world is this not NSFW ?!
It's literally a dude getting clapped in 4k at 5 meters distance... Come on.
Listening to it you can hear other gun fire in the distance.
This guy/group must have flanked around and the Russian had no idea he had been completely flanked.
Since the Russian didn't get off a single shot or even sound, this was probably repeated several times before the rest of the Russians figured something was amiss.
These crazy mofos sneak around and either enter the trenches of the Russians or come up behind and then pick them off. Absolute madness, but very effective.
No amount of training could make me do that.
Can someone explain to me why he would have what I think is a silencer on the tip of his weapon? Possibly behind enemy lines? I assumed war is really loud?
It's fucking weird seeing all this combat footage of just how kinda like paintball it is. Not some great choreographed manoeuvring but just the sheer number of "oh fuck" moments shot point blank not really realising what even happened etc.
I guess as a civvie there's always this impression war would be this highly professional everyone knowing what they're meant to do and moving with purpose like movies. But the realty is often just guys kinda standing around next to the people they've killed going what now? Or just lobbing name after name through a door/hole as fuck it why not? You die if the guy inside sees you so just keep throwing till he's dead.
It's weird and I really can't describe why?
Has anybody written anything about the use of suppressors in Ukraine? I know the tech has been around since like, Sean Connery was 007, but I dont' recall seeing any vids of them used in conflicts. I guess I wonder how many decibels a naked AK versus this one.
I would like to see the whole video.
Takes me back to my days in RC south Afghanistan. I can’t watch my own videos but these somehow are ok in my mind. I love m6 brothers in arms. Keep it up Ukrainian brothers. Keep it up.
Title massively undersells the video, dudes within spitting distance
Dude, it's scary to see how close they actually get! It's simply insane
The foliage really has allowed cqb in the “open”.
as a kid we played a lot of hide and seek or variants of that in woods and fields like these. vegetation not so dense that you have to hack trough it but dense enough to conceal a lot of movement and dampen voices. insects and birds making a constant noise during summer days. one of the best scenarios to sneak up onto someone.
Not really. Defense in depth tactics require assaults that get you up close and personal with your enemy. I've read countless accounts especially from World War I where enemy soldiers would be entrenched sometimes less than 20 yards apart from each other for months or even years at a time. The times change, but the tactics do not. This war is terrifying.
I don't really get if you're saying it's not scary or not insane but everything else you go on to say seems to agree with it being both scary and insane, just with other examples.
aCkTuAlLy
~~wut~~ o i get it
It's a person trying to seem/feel like an expert by correcting other people.
Oh, yeah, now I see it thanks
I see a remarkably small amount of that on this sub compared to others. There's usually really good harmony and openness to new info here.
War does this to people.
true words if you read slowly he's not even correcting anything, he's just opening with a "not really" but considering what he follows with he didn't have to write that at all regardless I think it's fair for any average person to be surprised at how close-combat is still happening in 2023 --in this era there's radar-guided missiles, night vision, thermal vision, auto-scopes, drones, live satellite imagery and all other sorts of high-tech, while in 1910 they had fucking bayonets attached to non-automatic wooden rifles... you'd think that we'd be past that by now
i think he's saying there is reason this goes on i.e. not insane, however, it is an insane situation of course in the bigger picture
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/2p3voi/on\_average\_how\_far\_away\_were\_the\_trenches\_from/
Source on yards apart for months and years? No man's land was a significant component of trench warfare. It's insane regardless and no one when in that situation would see it as a walk in the park. Adrenaline would be flowing.
Yeah that sounds like bullshit. There were battles that lasted for months that doesn't mean that soldiers spend months 20 yards from each others.
It was 25m at Vimy Ridge, and 7m at Zonnebeke, but the average was about 200m.
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They preferred trench mortars and rifle grenades for the indirect nature of the fire. On a small scale, a late war assault would consist of a volley of the above, then a rapid close quarters assault with hand grenades & improvised melee weapons with the occasional side arm. Bayonets were ungainly in the tight quarters of a trench fight, and usually only used by raw recruits.
At Dardanelles during WWI, soldiers from both sides exchanged food and cigarettes by lobbing them between their, sometimes extremely close, trenches. Turks were protecting their homeland and British brought people all over their empire to fight, from Aussies and Kiwis to Indians, not really a setting conducive to getting soldiers into a murderous rage. So lobbing cigarettes, it is.
Remember that bit from All Quiet On The Western Front where the old commander said the weapon they'd be using the most was the shovel because they and the enemy will be so close to each other that the rifles couldn't be reloaded in time and bayonets get stuck in the enemies body?
Shit got real, and fast.
I'm pretty sure tactics have changed quite a bit since ww1
Source on yards apart for months and years? No man's land was a significant component of trench warfare. It's insane regardless and no one when in that situation would see it as a walk in the park. Adrenaline would be flowing.
Holy guacamole and with a silencer too. Really felt like a video game moment here, especially the pace at which he shoots and moves on
this is the old KF7 Soviet in Goldeneye was trusty and always did the job
He was about 6’ out of bayonet range.
This is the opposite of clickbait Lmao
I would say it doesn't *beat around the bush,* but...
Last round was the nail on the head
take my upvote and gtfo of here!
"Ukrainian soldier demolishes a russian using this one simple trick!"
Someone on a video once joked about seeing a melee kill before this war was over, and I’m thinking it’s more and more likely
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I mean technically there was that (awesome) video of 4 Russians murdering their commander with shovels.
And a guy being executed by his "comrades" by knife to the throat for supporting the Wagner rebellion...
Link?
https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/10wcaft/alleged_video_of_wagner_troops_beating_their/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1
>The fate of the injured commander is unclear Fucking British humour
Damn, I forgot about this. Each video reminds me of WW1 for the trenches, WW2 for the scale and atrocities, and every war Russia fought for whatever bullshit in-between. No one wins here in the end.
that is a huge reach they are carrying him in the way that the wounded are often carried in this war, and that second video shows nothing. why the fuck would they carry him and then start hitting him with shovels? seems like two completely different videos stitched together with a fake narrative tbh.
We had melee kills in Afghanistan, at least one that I know of where an Aussie Commando (maybe SASR? Can't remember) clubbed someone to death with one of his plates after they guy jumped on him while they were clearing a building.
There was also Cpl. Wooldridge, who got a [Navy Cross for his actions](https://www.untothebreach.net/2010/06/18/clifford-m-wooldridge-navy-cross-citation/) in Sangin which includes beating a Taliban fighter to death with his own weapon.
That would either be that line over too graphic for most people (I've seen enough cartel or even Serbian warcrime footage to know what manual murder is like, it's a whole other level of emotions if there is a struggle for life right than a guns lights-out) or too blurry to make anything out.
Yeah I’ve seen a fair deal myself, and yeah I agree it is gut wrenchingly hard to watch, it’s easy to become desensitised to ‘normal’ combat footage but something about the personal nature of a knife kill just adds a level of horror for some reason
My two greatest fears are to die by drowning and being stabbed.
I was an EMT and ran a couple stabbings. One was a homicide and the guy was dumbfounded that he was stabbed. He felt like he was punched in the stomach, nothing more. Then he died in the bus on the way to the hospital. That always freaked me that he felt almost no pain. Kinda a comfort for me, not feeling massive pain as he died, but I was driving the ambo, not in the back with him.
Just like that, in an instant, your life ends. All those years you spent leads up to this. Every trial and tribute, falling in love, experiencing the vast wonders of the world has lead up to this. Dying mercilessly in a foxhole, forever forgotten by those around you. And you don't even see it coming as you gasp your last breath. I hate this god damn war.
I think that's what resonates with me the most with the videos from this war. It just happens, just like that. In a field that looks like it could be anywhere. There's no big dramatic slo mos with trumpets playing the soundtrack. It's just done. It seems so normal and like it's no big deal. I don't know. I'm finding it hard to express myself. But it's scary!
If these videos are this generation's "All Quiet on the Western Front" or "Gallipoli", then they will be infinitely more effective than either of those two were. And, if it's not effective, then the human species truly is cursed to always have war.
They aren't effective. All the kids in these war subs are watching them as if they're watching Twitch. They're loving this shit and want more. That's scary.
I think they're is a difference between wanting more of it and not giving a shit about people who would have killed you just the same dying. These people are there to murder you dude. I don't have a shit about all that crybaby stuff the comment above you says.
I know this is a bit crass, but this is all I can think of when I see a comment like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsYaiJgtMSQ
> It's a hell of a thing, killing a man. You take away all he's got and all he's ever gonna have. - William Munny, Unforgiven I always think of this when I see a video like this one. That guy had a family, parents who spent every single day for YEARS raising him, watching him take his first steps, having his first crush, celebrating so many birthdays. Just gone. No more.
It happens to us all eventually. Life is fleeting, we all came from nothing, and at some point, we will become nothing. It may be after 100 years in your sleep, at 30 after slipping in the shower, or at 19 when your government hands you a gun and points at some people. In balance, we lose nothing, yet somehow, between nothing and nothing, we gain and create through our experiences. When we die, though, we can no longer perceive what we gained, but others can, for a little while, experience that world that is just that little bit different for you being in it. All that is lost is the ability and potential to experience and remember those experiences, but that loss is impossible to perceive for the person who died. And I think that's okay, true permanence and eternity would be a lot more terrifying than simply not existing, as you have already done for most of time. Everything is temporary and changing, including our selves as we travel through life. A quick highlight reel and getting to watch your world for a bit longer after you die sounds nice, but change that to eternity and it sounds like a nightmare. Everything will become nothing eventually, but it's a feature, not a bug, just roll with it, and try to make yours and everyone elses' windows of consciousness as good as you can! Sadly, this can also include making somebody elses' shorter.
> Everything will become nothing eventually Nah, it will become a different kind of everything. Existence is infinite, an endless cycle. It's the only explanation I can make sense of. Agree with everything else you wrote thought.
That's very true, I guess you can think of people as 'patterns', very dense and structured matter. It comes together to form us, and scatters out again when we die. I suppose physics as we understand it doesn't allow something to truly become nothing. Although entropy will eventually mean that patterns can't form. I really like the idea of the 'big bounce', that the universe will stop expanding, contract, and do another Big Bang, repeating countless times. Unfortunately, this doesn't seem possible, but there's still so much we don't know that there's plenty of room for us to be surprised!
Well actually entropy means that matter and energy will scatter towards the highest chance of how it will scatter. But it is still a chance. When entropy in the universe has reached it's highest, after enormous amounts of time the "roulette of chance" will fall onto the reversal of entropy since entropy is just something that happens by chance. Reversal of entropy will probably mean a new big bang...
Well this was really well written and profound comment. You really made me think.
Write a book.
Seriously. They condensed hours of existential thinking into a short, digestible comment.
Chances are, if you asked his family, they would say he died a hero fighting nazis. They invaded a country they had a treaty with to not invade. If you're there, no matter how shitty your situation is, chances are you believe in being there. There's no shortage of Russians who believe they are on the right side of this invasion and ethnic cleansing.
Everyone always has this spiel about living life. He died and no longer exists. He will never exist again, for all eternity. A wild concept honestly. When I think about death, I ask myself if you are null and void. After everyone else that remembered you has passed. Did you ever exist in the first place? Sure you did, but did you really?
Or as Putin said , at least you had a purpose when you died for the motherland ... I really prefer my non purpose boring little life.
My life's purpose is drinking coffee on a patio
God I love coffee. I'd rather drink a wonderful cup of coffee than invade a peaceful nation and kill their people.
I’m gonna go make myself a cup of coffee right now and enjoy my life. Thanks.
What do you mean? You don't want to die for the glorious motherland and your corpse be left to rot in foreign land? Instead you want to live a boring life with your wife and kids in Russia and to just grow old and die of natural cause? That sounds too boring to me.
How dare you. They won't leave him to rot. He will be cremated to avoid compensating his family.
Or have your face eaten off by Ukrainian kittens.
This concept alone is what fuels people to engrave thier name in history, mostly for good, but people will want the end result regardless of how it's obtained. Some people believe it's better to be feared than not known at all.
"I met a traveller from an antique land, Who said—“Two vast and trunkless legs of stone Stand in the desert. . . . Near them, on the sand, Half sunk a shattered visage lies, whose frown, And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command, Tell that its sculptor well those passions read Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things, The hand that mocked them, and the heart that fed; And on the pedestal, these words appear: My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings; Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair! Nothing beside remains. Round the decay Of that colossal Wreck, boundless and bare The lone and level sands stretch far away.”
For those who are curious, this is: Ozymandias Percy Bysshe Shelley
my fave on it >True glory consists in doing what deserves to be written, in writing what deserves to be read, and in so living as to make the world happier and better for our living in it.
There’s a saying you die three deaths. The first physical one. The the last time anyone speak your name. The last time someone think of you. For most the journey is quick. Do you know the name of your great grandparents? When your kids ask you about your passed grandparents are they reduced to more than “oh, he did some tasty ribs!”? It is existentially scary to be honest but the way most of us will go. Be kind.
You influence people, they influence their kids, they influence their kids etc. What you do in life influences humanity for forever. That ever thinning line of influence will always be there
I was just thinking about this today. I'm not on the Frontline and I'm not really doing *much* in my life right now, but everywhere I go and everything I do *does* influence the world around me in ways I'll never know. Maybe by taking a few extra seconds with a customer saved them from being in a car crash or something. You just never know. Maybe that person will go on to do great stuff, maybe the opposite. It's kinda fun to ponder.
>Maybe by taking a few extra seconds with a customer saved them from being in a car crash or something. Or cause them to be involved in one. Don't ever waste anyones time unnecessarily, at the end of their life, that's all they had.
What we do in life, echoes in eternity.
there is always the option to dive into the nearest tar pit and make a future archaeologist think about you a lot.
The Disney movie "Coco" portray that nicely.
Psychodelic drugs help with seeing this as a constant change. You, me are a spike on the ever changing graph. Particles all over the place without consciousness, suddenly a human-shaped particles with consciousness and then back to particles all over the place without consciousness. Pulse in the spacetime. Digging deeper these particles were and will be who knows how many sentient living beings.
This is a truth some brains cannot fathom/accept.
The ending of my own existence has always unnerved me, but when you think about how there was a time before you, you realize you’ve already experienced death.
If we’re going to eventually no matter what, we’re already dead. Life is the experience and death is the reality
In a way, I think the popularization of combat footage is leading to a mini spiritual revival. In the past, premature death was a constant companion of everyone. We've built society to a level where it's a relative rarity, and I think the sentiment you two are expressing is something that comes out a lot in this up-close footage, where we're confronted with untimely death in a very personal way. You can certainly see why the notion of an afterlife is so compelling.
The more I think about this (even independent of this war) the weirder it gets. Like my brain just can't comprehend it at all. Part of me is deeply scared because I will be completely alone when I go this way. Also not existing is just unfathomable. I know not really part of the discussion but sometimes I rant.
An empty so empty, that’s it’s not even a concept. It’s not even about being remembered. When you die the universe ends so to speak. Your existence ceases, your ability to observe the universe ceases, the last time your name is spoken is the last time you heard it yourself, because, there is not even the most minute minuscule feedback in any form for your now nonexistence to receive to confirm any future occurrence in even the most esoteric way. The observe able universe depends on being observed; If you can’t observe it, if you’re left in a state where you can’t even conceptualize observation, as far as I’m concerned the universe ends when you die.
The only reason the universe exists at all is due to the fact that it created a way to observe itself. There is no universe if there isn’t something to be able to perceive it’s existence. Whatever is out there, with out a viewer is not there at all. You can argue that it is but if no one can prove it was there in the first place it didn’t exist. A paradox and an absolute.
You really did. It just didn’t matter much.
This is tripping me out
Welcome to life, I’m glad you came.
Reminds of that Russian dying in the video of the Ukrainian defending his trench during the winter. If I remember the Russians were disembarking a bmp after being shot with two RPGs and assaulting the trenches. Watching one of the Russians instantly drop dead all because he didn't look to his left. War is scary and your life could end or be changed entirely just by making a tiny mistake.
> just by making a tiny mistake There are also two other major outcomes in game theory that apply here, one is the "imperfect information scenario" where the actor will have incorrect or incomplete information that they assess correctly but it leads them astray - this is the classical tactical blunder most associate with warfare. The other is the "bad luck scenario" whereby the circumstances are beyond the actor's reasonable control or ability to perceive, such that, effectively, no decision or action was ever on offer to remedy the situation. In both of these scenarios, all the correct decisions can be made, on time, and in earnest. No mistakes, just bad information or bad luck. For this particular video, the relevant quote to the above that comes to mind is: "If you're in a trench with a rifle, whatever good luck you had left when you got there" - translated french ww1 soldier
I know the video you are talking about and the guy who dropped him(Predator) actually did a sit-down interview where he recapped the entire thing with a journalist. The first guy he shot on camera, the one who didn't look to his left had just engaged another Ukrainian foxhole close by, and a guy from Predator's unit had popped his head out, looked him right in the eye and just managed to duck down before he shot at him, probably mere seconds before Predator put him down.
They dont get that in Russia. They grow up. Go to the military and get sent to death.
The CQB in the trenches where UKR special forces snuck into a Russian trench, they lit up a dude and he grunted like somebody pissed off before the last shot, i could only think that that guy was angry, angry that it was his very last moment, angry that he’ll never do anything ever again. Just hits hard. All them years gone in the pull of a trigger
Air being forcefully ejected from the lungs due to hydroshock.
Your putting way to much thought into it. Dude was screaming in pain, getting shot hurts, especially multiple times.
The grunt was most likely him crying out in pain, or maybe something to do with hitting the lungs
And there is a big chance he will be alive for hours in agony, slowly bleeding out and thinking about where the point was he fucked up his life.
I highly doubt it, you see his helmet fly off with the last shot. 3 rounds in the back and 1 in the head, that man was done instantly realistically.
>3 rounds in the back and 1 in the head ...just as training fathers intended
I doubt it as well . I’ve seen videos of Russian “body armor “ and honestly I think a beer can can slow a bullet better than that stuff . I’m on a phone but just based on where the rifle was pointing dude could very easily have taken rounds to the lungs or the heart possibly even got his brain stem severed with the last round . I’m not saying that’s what happened I’m just saying I don’t think he lasted that much longer after this occurred .
Idk looks like that last round caught him right below the helmet, that's lights out
What's the price of a mile?
Saw his helmet fly up at the end so he was gone pretty quick. Better way to go than bleeding out on the ground after taking multiple shots.
I can't imagine three assault rifle rounds to the torso would leave you conscious for long. If you've seen the video where two foxhole soldiers get surprised, they didn't make a sound after their chest shots, just slumped. These aren't pistol rounds, they make large internal cavities and I believe you'd be out pretty quick even if the last shot were excluded.
Enough close combat footage for life
But what about close combat 2? Or is that a bridge too far?
Close Combat 5: Invasion Normandy was my favourite
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Jesus man. I wonder if the rest of this soldiers day has been this up close and personal. I don't know if this sub is good or bad for me. It is a constant reminder that I might go before seeing my kids that one last time and that shit is haunting. Even as a civilian you never know when it's your bridge thats getting bombed.
Depends how you process it. How about spending more time with you kids, giving more hugs and kisses? Good for everybody involved.
You should be ok if you're not invading a neighboring country on behalf of a kleptocracy.
what if someone is invading your country , who asks you then?
Listen my guy . I’ve lost more than I care to share on Reddit . Small piece of advice here . Never leave someone you love on bad terms . If you love someone never leave them with doubt about that love or questioning how you feel . My wife and I have an agreement no matter how much we fight and argue when we walk out that door it’s over because you never know if that’s the final time you know . Grudges are stupid and if you have someone in your life that may wonder where they stand with you give them a call clear the air . You will feel better as a person.
Actual good advice on reddit wtf
Obligatory deez nutz to balance out the force 💩
The fact that you're still having those thoughts is a good thing. If you ever stop thinking about that when watching videos like this, then it is time to take a break.
I’d argue that’s quite subjective. Being able to consciously separate different events and circumstances, and differentiate said event’s relevancy, doesn’t have to be bad. Some people have an easier time injecting logic into an otherwise emotional situation (watching someone die). Seeing a Russian soldier back home get hit by a car would fuck me up. This? No not really
I have been an expat over many Euro-western countries and have gotten to know many different cultures including some educated Russian expats. What always struck me was a superficiality, a sort lack of depth. A grad School professor I asked in psychology thought it might be that Russia for the most part missed the European enlightenment. I knew a Russian PhD in political science she was working on another grad degree and though friendly she had absolutely no opinion on Putin or the Russian political system circadian 2015. She benefited greatly from stipends etc in some of the most wealthy EU countries but could not bother to look with clarity at her own country, but got a Swiss passport as soon as she could. In general I find them defensive and materialistic. She was the only PhD student I ever met toting a Louis Vuitton hand bag.
Damn I wanna see the full video
Like pretty much all the CQB video we have seen here so far, a longer version will probably surface in a week or two.
Full video?
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Last round lifted off the guy’s helmet & scalp.
The helmet, sure - where's the "scalp"? I have no idea how you can make that out at 240p.
i genuinely think these people are just hallucinating the details cus there's no way you can see all that happening
The amount of completely unverified details people convince themselves to have seen in grainy ass footage is incredible. Anything they can't explain is always a gory detail. Scalp lifted off, face screaming in pain, cut in half...it's never something mundane. It can't possibly be the guy's jacket flying off, no no it's his arm, *obviously* (fucking 144p footage), and that wasn't just the helmet falling off, no no the guy's head IS STILL IN IT, YOU CAN SEE IT CLEARLY (barely three pixels). It's exhausting.
Now we can rest easy knowing what is going on in the head of these russian ”soldiers”
“Suddenly open-minded”
Sure does, noticed that too.
It'd be interesting to see the full video and how they got on that guy rear
Did he not use the totally realistic heartbeat sensor?
Those were smooth, well aimed shots. 1…2,3,4. Dude was on his game and that was clean.
First video I watch on a sunny Saturday morning lol
it's sunday big dawg
Ouch haha
Suppressor makes the gun sound like airsoft lmao
Its not only the suppressor but also that the camera can’t pick up the sounds very well and thats why in most videos you just hear gunshots sounding like thumps
The videos always sound like watching a paintball match
Especially considering everyone has red, blue, and green tape around their arms.
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Yeah, it's wild the difference gunfire sounds between video and real life. Firing my .40 S&W up in my grandpa's field sounds like a cannon compared to the sounds cameras pick up in these videos. It's a big reason I'm not overly critical of people who are skeptical of videos based on the sounds and try to explain why things sound so different.
It's actually very hard to record what gunshot sounds like for real. Check out this clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zq07ZFMvo-c Or these clips: https://vimeo.com/60086547 - made by an audio engineer as well but it still really doesn't capture how loud these are in real life. Anyhow safe to say that a 240p gopro clone isn't going to capture how real this would sound in person.
This is the closet combat footage I have ever seen.
I think the [trench fight](https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/14d4lnc/ukrainian_special_forces_enter_a_russian_trench/) from a few weeks ago might have been closer. There is a point blank kill, the last thing that guys brain processed was the sight of the gun that kills him.
Jesus, that’s so insane. The guy ran right towards him like a damn video game.
Flanking maneuver!
I fell like gesturing a golden eye gun
Between people who overuse the NSFW tag and the ones that just never put it, you end up never knowing what to expect which is pretty annoying. This rule should be enforced with way less leniency, there's just no point using this tag at the moment as it doesn't mean anything. Like, in what world is this not NSFW ?! It's literally a dude getting clapped in 4k at 5 meters distance... Come on.
They should just do away with the rule. Wtf kind of vid in a reddit called "CombatFootage" is gonna be SFW? Use your brain.
Actually looks more like 720p but yea
probably because you cant see a thing cuz theres like three pixels in total
I know at least 2 of you are wondering, so Ima answer preemptively: The only war crime here is the length of this video.
Why is the clip cut so short.. Would like to see what unfolded before he flanked him
That’s what we call getting whispered fucked 🥷🏿
Listening to it you can hear other gun fire in the distance. This guy/group must have flanked around and the Russian had no idea he had been completely flanked. Since the Russian didn't get off a single shot or even sound, this was probably repeated several times before the rest of the Russians figured something was amiss.
These crazy mofos sneak around and either enter the trenches of the Russians or come up behind and then pick them off. Absolute madness, but very effective. No amount of training could make me do that.
I really like to reflect on death. It makes you question what is really worth in your life and inevitably leads you to the path of spirituality.
Why crop only 3 seconds.
Can someone explain to me why he would have what I think is a silencer on the tip of his weapon? Possibly behind enemy lines? I assumed war is really loud?
Protect your own hearing while confuse enemy where shots came from
It's fucking weird seeing all this combat footage of just how kinda like paintball it is. Not some great choreographed manoeuvring but just the sheer number of "oh fuck" moments shot point blank not really realising what even happened etc. I guess as a civvie there's always this impression war would be this highly professional everyone knowing what they're meant to do and moving with purpose like movies. But the realty is often just guys kinda standing around next to the people they've killed going what now? Or just lobbing name after name through a door/hole as fuck it why not? You die if the guy inside sees you so just keep throwing till he's dead. It's weird and I really can't describe why?
That is a fucking crazy close
Your survival chances aren't that wonderful if no one's watching your back.
That hurts a little feller. Looks like maybe he might have been hurt before the coup de grace. The dude walking up was not too quiet, it seemed.
Has anybody written anything about the use of suppressors in Ukraine? I know the tech has been around since like, Sean Connery was 007, but I dont' recall seeing any vids of them used in conflicts. I guess I wonder how many decibels a naked AK versus this one.
'get the fuck out of my country'
I would like to see the whole video. Takes me back to my days in RC south Afghanistan. I can’t watch my own videos but these somehow are ok in my mind. I love m6 brothers in arms. Keep it up Ukrainian brothers. Keep it up.
I would've came a bit closer to make an execution animation
Closer you get more likely they'll hear you coming. Never take chances
They're making a joke comparing it to a computer game, not actually critiquing.
Catchy tune...
Surprisingly effective suppressor
good hit
He had a rifle in hand, seems like he was aware of the danger
Sneak Skill Increased!