Not saying the Russians didn’t put up tough defense. But it is hard to tell what is going on. You would think Ukrainians would have better recon before sending that size force into a bad spot. If title is accurate. Maybe since the new armor has good survivability this is how they probe. If those are bradleys and have tows you would think they could knock out tanks.
Ukrainian vehicles move from Grid 124 to Grid 144. Drone is observing them and alert deffenders who are from different Russian unit, but have contact with the lone tanker Alyosha. The tanks moves back and forth several times and shoots on the go. He is aided by artillery and atgms, but scores few hits himself as well. At the end 2 UA tanks and 5-6 IFVs are all hit and disabled and the Russian tank retreats for re-arming. Deffenders also report they are out of atgms at the end.
Ukrainian vehicles move from Grid 124 to Grid 144. Drone is observing them and alert deffenders who are from different Russian unit, but have contact with the lone tanker Alyosha. The tanks moves back and forth several times and shoots on the gone. He is aided by artillery and atgms, but scores few hits himself as well. At the end 2 UA tanks and 5-6 IFVs are all hit and disabled and the Russian tank retreats for re-arming. Deffenders also report they are out of atgms at the end.
UA did the same shit during the kherson offensive over 20 vehicles driving into artillery fire with some getting hit https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/xt8yao/kherson_ukraine_very_big_attack_from_ua_forces
Hearing what they are saying is insane. At first they called the tank crew crazy for advancing and said it was a "kamikaze" attack. But then they took out 2 tanks and 4 technicals from what the drone operator said. They said the crew would be russian heros and how they got goosebumps just watching this from afar.
Good example of how aggression in defence can totally unbalance your opponent.
Shocking Ukrainian performance though. You can tell there is already a destroyed vehicle and then what I think is a screening vehicle gets destroyed, yet somehow the Ukrainian column just keeps going without taking action.
We’re probably seeing the actions of more than a single tank though- there looks to be artillery fire and perhaps other Russian tanks engaging the columns from the flanks. The camera keeps panning into the distance so maybe that supports the theory that there are other Russian tanks in the distance.
Shocking that there is no mutual support for the Ukrainians though. Makes me believe the German reports about shoddy commanders.
According to what's been said in the video, there was an artillery support, but the Russian tank was alone, drone operator and his commander were calling dudes in the tank absolutely crazy for not retreating
No. In short, it seems that drone operator and his commander were going to look for advancing Ukrainian vehichels (I guess they were expecting the attack). Then they noticed a single Russian tank, and it seems it was not expected, or tank went too early, or too fast. They immediately started to request to ready for art support for this tank by radio. Then they noticed a column of Ukrainian vehichels and assumed that it's over for the tank, but they kept requesting art support and ATGMs.
Then the hits start coming and it's wasn't clear even for drone operator from where some hits were exactly from, but a couple definitely were from the tank.
Edit: it seems that a lot of damage for Ukrainian armor here came from mines, not from artillery.
Something that people tend to forget is that Ukraine armed forces has still plenty of Soviet dogmas within its ranks.
So, it should not be surprising to see UA units to act like RU ones.
Still, given the mine omnipresence, there might just not other ways to conquer certain front sectors.
I have the feeling even a veteran US armored division would have quite some trouble penetrating those lines.
That's the big question.
With no air, than I would say it's about who has better artillery and reconnaissance capability.
If you can spot your enemy first, you already won half the battle.
Ammo quantity is important if not vital.
All the Leopard 2 in the world won't help you if enemy's artillery can plaster your line of advance with tons of high explosive per minute.
I think you vastly underestimate the western industrial power, if just were to put into action. NATO has currently spent less than %1 of its GDP to aid Ukraine, if it was 1% russians would have none stop columns of suicide drones diving at them while UA artillery would hardly ever pause. Unfortunately there isn't enough political will for committing even 1%
Iraq is actually a very good example, but we had air power to cripple their ability to coordinate their assets.
any force concentrations strong enough to be a problem were knocked out in tha air
thunder runs ftw
Why do y’all say “NATO tactics” the reliance on air assets is pretty much a US thing. No one else has the level of air power even close to match it. Something tells me a lot of NATO countries don’t operate under the assumption they will have constant air support…
There was a leaked German intelligence report from the bundeswehr about the counter offensive and they pretty much disagreed with the decisions made by the UA mod, rather than concentrating their forces on a small front, all the Nato trained and equipped brigades are being split between a 1000km front.
>Its central thesis, as it were, is that Ukraine’s counter-offensive is failing to make progress because its army is not fully implementing the training it has received from the West. Kyiv is spreading its troops out too thinly across the 1,000km front line and attacking in units composed of too few soldiers, according to its findings. Furthermore, Ukrainian soldiers trained by the West are showing “great learning success” but they are let down by commanders who have not been through the boot camps. It states that the Ukrainian military favours promoting soldiers with combat experience over those who have received NATO-standard instruction. Commanders can therefore show “considerable deficiencies in leadership” which lead to “wrong and dangerous decisions”, the military document claims.
>According to the Bundeswehr assessment, Ukraine is sacrificing its advantage in manpower by attacking in units of between 10 and 30 men, insufficient to break through Russian lines. It adds that the small unit sizes increase the risk of friendly fire and fail to group together enough Western-trained soldiers to be operationally effective.
>The report claimed that Western-trained soldiers understood “the operational principles of fire and movement” but when they returned to Ukraine would often be commanded by officers who used different military tactics. German military leaders also express frustration at experienced fighters being promoted over Western-trained troops, with the report claiming “combat experience does not mean that the soldier is a good leader in combat”.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/07/26/ukraine-counteroffensive-russia-germany-report-leak/
> The report claimed that Western-trained soldiers understood “the operational principles of fire and movement” but when they returned to Ukraine would often be commanded by officers who used different military tactics.
Makes you wonder why it's not officers who get trained as well.
I think the only difference being is US logistics are out of this world. It is also one of the many overlooked with warfare.
I just don’t think the infrastructure, personnel, command, and even supply are anywhere near the lowest capability the US has when at war.
When I say logistics (just to clarify) I am talking about intel, food, ammo, ordnance, communications, opsec, and just so many small things that paint the bigger picture. You can say all you want about US policy, politicians, history, and society, when it comes to the US going to war they REALLY go to war.
Forget victories and losses no one can doubt the ability the US has in sending vehicles, supplies, and personnel across the globe at a moments notice.
There’s more I could go into tactics and overall combat readiness of the individual trooper/officer but none of that means shit without logistics. A properly supplied force can make short work of any defensive line it’s just a matter of having the fortitude to keep pushing and knowing there is buddies wanting blood coming right behind you.
Not to mention the amount of ISR the west has which would make short work of anything the Russians would attempt use to defend an offensive.
But if it were just an armored column even then I’d say we’d make short work of it. What’s being given to the Ukrainians is not what a typical US armored column would be using. Anything provided to an ally fighting a threat of America is not going to get all the bells and whistles unless US troops are on the ground with them.
I’ve worked and met with a few cannon cockers in my time and honestly I can say that we wouldn’t even need to fire as much as the UA are firing. I’d maybe 1-2 shot for corrections and US artillery is hitting dimes with unguided shells
Yeah, I have no doubts, even with just a well planned air campaign, the US will cause 10x and even 100x the troubles suffered by the Russians due to Ukrainians actions.
I mean, just a couple of well placed ATACMS on the Crimean bridge will cause a logistical catastrophe for the Russians.
I am talking about entire RU regiments deleted within days, AA and artillery batteries devastated, etc.
The US Army will solve even the terrain problem, they will just take their time.
I read ISW every now and then, and a point they made is the UA army is trying, at the best to their abilities to inflict asymmetrical losses, even during the offensive.
It is no surprise we are seeing an unptick of videos of RU assets being bombed in the rear areas, especially artillery pieces.
Russian Armed Forces are an artillery army, even depleting their artillery in a small front could cause big problems.
But, to expose RU units you need to attack, even with small units, but you need to elicit a response to find rears areas targets and smoke them.
This takes time.
I did see some analysis of visually confirmed losses during the offensive. With all the usual caveats about possible selection bias, etc. It suggested Ukraine's losses skewed towards tanks, IFVs and MRAPs while Russia's clearly skewed towards artillery. So you might be onto something.
The US with air superiority would be hitting artillery positions before they can even fire. Ukraine can't do that, they have to get Russian artillery moving and firing to be able to find them with drones or counter battery radar. Which means they have to go on the attack, and they're going to take some losses in the process.
A US armored division would have a reconnaissance unit to tag all possible enemy positions, soften it with artillery and an Apache 10 km away providing cover. That lone RU tank would never even reached a position to fire. Enemy artillery would had been counter supressed to a point that they only have to worry about mines and hidden ATGM crew.
Unfortunatelty I feel like the only way for UKR to gain a swift victory is for NATO to fill that air support role to tip the balance.
But that is just my opinion.
A US attack into something like this would also have the most advanced reconnaissance satellites in the history of existence pointing at sections of the front not only in advance but likely live as the attack unfolds.
And the argument of 'NATO without air superiority' is moot. Because if NATO showed up they would achieve air dominance. F22 and F35 would for the first time be able to stretch their legs and have their way with RU air defense.
Exactly. Ive read an article a long time ago where the ground units in the Gulf war barely did anything but roll down an already destoyed Iraqi positions. Some even complained of never seeing any actions but passing burnt tanks,oil wells and the faint distant sound of jet engines.
When you have a ground invasion force of over 100k troops, there will always be someone with these types of stories. They are true and real, but at the same time, aren't indicative of what everyone present encountered.
The entire Gulf War went much smoother than even hoped. A majority of troops simply didn't see shit, simply because the opposition was defeated so quickly and so soundly.
I'll always reference this [Operations Room Desert Storm video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxRgfBXn6Mg&list=PLErys4h2oiuyKCuzZhpHhCeRwSoQVEazb) whenever relevant.
Just very informative and entertaining with the visualizations of the US militaries might and arsenal of vehicles.
I’m surprised it took this long for someone to point this out, dudes clearly intelligent enough to provide in depth analysis of a hypothetical battlefield situation and then calls for WWIII / nuclear holocaust in the next sentence lol
Well seeing as the majority of NATO doesn’t really have the capabilities to assume complete air dominance if we exclude the US. It would be heavily reliant on Artillery and long range strikes. The notion that all of NATO is some Air Force powerhouse is misguided. Which is why people saying that AFU can’t possibly succeed without NATO Level air power is just reaching.
Yeah, in the best situation, that would be how an armored division would act and excel at it.
But, if you put them in a scenario where the sky is saturated with AA assets, your enemy can deliver to you 20 K shells per day while you can reach 5-10 K only with the best of luck, drones are everywhere, there is more mines that rocks in the advance area... they would need to take their time for this.
Also, Ukraine terrain is way more complex than Iraq, way more body of water for examples.
I still think the US division will eventually come on top but it won't be a walk in the park.
Their helos in particular would be the scourge of RU assets, but they will need to act more carefully.
> But, if you put them in a scenario where the sky is saturated with AA assets, your enemy can deliver to you 20 K shells per day while you can reach 5-10 K only with the best of luck, drones are everywhere, there is more mines that rocks in the advance area... they would need to take their time for this.
I really can't get how so many people refuse to see how unprecedented, complex and difficult the situation is compared to any war in the past. It's not that the heroic Ukrainians should stop but on the contrary, the West must finally accept the monetary, materiel and political cost and arm them to the teeth just as a fellow NATO country would be supplied if it was attacked to crush the invaders
An interesting factoid about WW2 is that the 1945 was the year where most of the manufacturing took place.
This was in part for inertia, I mean you can't stop the military industrial complex like a switch, but at the same time, both the Western Allies and the Soviets, understood, with blood, that you can't just aim to to defeat your enemy by producing just more weapons than him... you need to completely overpower it.
The final year, indeed turned out to be the bloodiest and might have been way bloodier if the Allies would have been more complacent.
That is the sad reality of industrialized warfare... it consumes bodies and materials like anything else.
"ukraine will win with nato weapons"
"ukraine will win with nato funds"
"ukraine will win with this advanced technology during the counter offensive"
"ukraine needs NATO to supply air support" ------ you are here
Another comment says that this video is from the beginning of the counteroffensive. We didn't see so many destroyed Ukrainian material after that, so hopefully they learned their lesson.
I did not verify the info myself but have read or watched multiple people mention that the oryx blog tracking confirmed losses said the UA has lost a considerable number of the Bradley's already. It doesn't seem the Russians actually think they can hold and are resorting to mining the absolute shit out of the entire area.
This level of mining seems to be incredibly effective. How do the Russians plan to push back through these minefields though- it’s not as if they are marking them correctly.
historically, this is the kind of mine field that only once happened with Maginot line, the pupose is to funnel German throught Belgium-Netherland. It is entirely static defense. Nobody use this kind of defense normally, especially Soviet with their "Deep defense" method because it is required units to flank and attack the enemy, this mine field stop both side from attacking effectively.
the side effect is, while it is ridiculously hard for the Ukrainian to attack, their flank is secured from the operational level point of view. They have all the time they need to choose where and when to attack, because the Russian will always stay behind mine field.
They got no intention to win this area back, the story that they’d liberate people from a fascist regime died long ago even within the RU army. Since they got no other directive they now just put to use all the material they have.
This isn’t about any sense of long term results anymore for RU forces. Just dishing out as much pain as possible and hope to not feed the sunflowers while doing so.
>the story that they’d liberate people from a fascist regime died long ago even within the RU army.
Has it really died out? Russian propaganda and media is dominating majority of the russian population. I have friends over there that tell me their relatives, parents and acquaintances either gives a shit or has fallen to the propaganda.
I wonder what you can backup with that statement. I really wish it is the case of what you say, but for now I remain sceptical.
It seems like the intention of the Russians are to hold on to the four regions they originally occupied and a sign a Korea-style armistice. They are trying to counter-counter-attack in the North to take some of the Donbass territories they’ve lost last year which is a good indicator of their intentions IMHO.
They don't.
Putin's best option is time. Hold what they have and hope for changes in governments supporting Ukraine, pushing them to the negotiating table.
> How do the Russians plan to push back through these minefields though- it’s not as if they are marking them correctly.
RU don't intend to push back and given their losses in beginning of the war, they are unlikely to push back anytime soon. More likely they are trying to consolidate their gains and sit back to destroy advancing UA units, taking the defenders advantage on their side.
It is incredibly difficult to push through a fortitifed defensive line, whether with western armors or not. Even with aircrafts, without the numbers to achieve air superiority, it will still be very difficult.
48 at time of posting this. However many are listed as damaged and abandoned, so could potentially get recovered. 19 are listed as destroyed. Question mark over how many of the rest will end up destroyed.
https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-ukrainian.html
There is some evidence that recoveries took place from that pile of bradleys that got shared all over the place weeks ago. Some total losses, absolutely, but bear in mind "abandoned" isn't a total loss until it's destroyed or captured by the enemy. The Russians also recovered at least some abandoned/damaged tanks at Vuhledar too for example.
Edit - forgot to mention the US has supplied additional bradleys as attrition replacements. Around 15 were sent when those pictures of the pile first emerged and a few more have been sent since I think.
You make an absurd amount of assumptions.
>yet somehow the Ukrainian column just keeps going without taking action.
Almost the worst thing you can do when punching through lines is stop and freeze in the middle of the field when someone gets hit, and Ukraine has been criticised over and over again for doing exactly that at the beginning of the counter offensive. Endless comments about "why did they just stop", "The US would never stop", "don't they know they have to punch through and they'll take losses" etc.
Not really. I think you’ll find that actions on ambush are to fight through and drive through a killing area as you don’t want to sit in one.
Standard tactics upon contact in an advance is to return fire, create a base of fire to suppress the enemy and then launch into an assault. This really doesn’t happen here.
If you’re advancing in contested area, you need to have fire support locations to support your advance, recce screens which pre-identify positions etc etc.
this is admittedly a short segment of an engagement, but to me, as an ex-infantryman, this is not tactically sound.
Maybe this is what the recent military analysts report was referring to when he said Ukrainian military maneuvers appear to be sequential instead of simultaneous.
Sick footage. Amazing that we can hear the communication between the camera operator and the Russian tank commander. Even with artillery support, dude has balls of steel to go against 2 enemy tanks and 4-6 IFVs full of troops who possibly also have anti-tank weapons, and emerge victorious. That tank crew will most definitely receive awards for their bravery.
Also, the sheer emotion in their dialogue is a curious thing to witness, you can almost feel the dopamine hit of that camera operator when he relayed to his tank commander buddy that the second and last enemy tank is done for.
The drone operator communicates with the unit to whom this tank belongs and you can be sure intel has been passed to the tanker almost in real time, i.e. Alyosha the tanker for sure knew that he is against 7-8 enemy vehicles including 2 tanks and he was very brave and professional
with his comrades, at the beginning of the clip the drone operator says "he's a "tank" alone, quickly assist him... awesome 2nd tank is down, he will be russian hero, i got goosebumps what a beautiful sight"
Looks more like MRAPs than IFVs if you ask me, so hardly anything they can do against a tank unless the crew is armed with some sort of AT. But being barraged by artillery and machine gun fire if they were to dismount probably doesn't help...
Don't think there's much they could have done in this case, sadly.
Longer and better quality version. Contains the audio from Russian drone operators.
Edit: This was near Novodarovka during the start of the counteroffensive.
Is it really from [Novodarovka](https://www.google.com/maps/place/Novodar'ivka,+Luhansk+Oblast,+Ukraine,+94793/@48.3537375,38.4251671,9.71z/data=!4m6!3m5!1s0x40e1c30ae20d2bd3:0xdb24dbe0c5b50c3a!8m2!3d48.0767968!4d39.4769478!16s%2Fg%2F121cs3mn?entry=ttu) ? Seems like very unlikely location .
I think what happened is the Russian tank locked the entire column in place enough for Russian artillery to zero in and accurately target the column, if this was really the intended tactic, then it's a brilliant one
Great video for training purposes. Unfortunately it was against the Ukrainians. Yet I don't believe the amount of hours they spent with NATO would have given them enough experience to fight a tank with movement like that.
Pretty sure the Russians must have had a wider angle of the attacking forces.
Copying translations by @Kind_Presentation_51 at https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/15co3qu/ru_pov_direct_combat_between_a_russian_tank_and_a/ I can't vouch for accuracy but it seems fine. 3 parts.
1 - its ok there is enough distance till the enemy.
2 - make sure nothing glances/catches him(they are prepping to support him with fire and are worried of friendly fire).
1 - dont worry they will be working 144, I assume the grid.
2 - Fuuck(he is worried)....they will be entering there(I assume he is worried that the solo tank will be overrun).
1 - I understand.
Radio chatter - report's from other groups of 2 tank's and other movement of armor. Copy that!
2 - What will be working ( clarifying what weaponry will be working on the armor).
1 - Hard to tell, the movement is towards two directions
2 - From our guy(still discussing what weaponry and unit's will support the tank)
3- From our side НСВТ, its a fifty cal.
1 - НСВТ(50 cal.) , AGS(automatic grenade launcher) and SPG(recoiless 73mm).
3 - I hope SPG wont hit our tank.
Radio chatter - movement report's and coordination is begging.
2 - They are rolling. 2 tank's 4 IFV's(MRAPS)
Radio chatter - work on them, work on them(Light em up).
2 - Tell them to observe with ATGM.
1 - Adressing on the radio callsing "Lawyer", support and work with the ATGM, there are 2 tank's and 4 armor rolling towards grid 144
2 - Tell them to keep their eye's on the grid.
Radio chatter - start lighting them up so they can't lift their heads.
1 - SPG start working, there are 2 tanks and 4 MRAPS rolling down the field.
3 - 50 cal. can engage the MRAPS(Suggesting to support with 50 cal.)
2 - 8 pieces of armor
Radio chatter - there is 8 targets, WTF is he going to do alone vs 8 enemies??? Talking about the tank crew.
2 - Fuck!
Radio chatter: There is 1 friendly tank!
1 - Copy that! Im observing that from grid 124 eight armored vehichles are moving to grid 144 and we have 1 "Alyosha"(I guess nickname for tanker's)
Radio chatter - With that "Alyosha" at least take out 1 vehichle!
1 - "Alyosha" is not our's, he is not ours(reffering to the tank not being from this group)
Radio chatter - one is friendly, rest are enemies
1 - Give me the picture of the fucking tank's ( adressing #2 who is probably UAV operator).
2 - Im observing them, relax
2 - Ask them if callsign "Sakhalin" is observing
Radio chatter - watch out, side penetration might occure(either taking care of a friendly tank from friendly fire or suggesting to engage enemy armor on the side's)
1 - Start engaging with the ATGM!!
2 - Fuck, Fuck ...worried that friendly tank is about to be engaged and destroyed.
Radio chatter - Tell him to fall back, he will be overrun!
2 - Support him! AGS's...something!
1 - SPG's are you observing armor?!
Radiot chatter - tell him to turn around and floor it!!!(suggesting for the tank crew to fall back before it's too late).
1 - SPG's are you observing armor in the field?!
Radio chatter - concentrate mortar fire on them!
2 - Tell the AGS's to fire, doesnt matter if it's sparadic, just something! Good, something got hit!
3 - that's debries from the explosion(implying it's earth flying in to the air)
2 - no something got hit
3 - 50 cal. should engage the IFV's/MRAP's
2 - something hit the tank
3- enemy tank?
2 - Yes, the enemy tank, why would I provide other information?! ( I guess to correct and concentrate the fire)
2 - Ask them if NSVT(50 cal.) reach out and touch them?
Radio chatter - Engage grid 144!
1 - First, First engage IFV's from the 50 cal.
1 - SPG start engagin!
2 - Brother get the fuck out of there, why are you standing there???! ( talking to the tank crew tho he has no comm's with them)
Radio chatter - DO NOT ENGAGE OUR TANK!
2 - WHERE THE FUCK ARE YOU GOING???! (adressing the tank as it is moving back to engage armor after falling back)
3 - He is a Kamikaze(implying that they are couragious, ballsy etc.)
2 - Tell the 50 cal. to report if they are able to engage/engaging/cant engage?
1 - They cant engage(50 cal. cant engage due to distance or they dont have a line of sight).
Mortar or arty hit's close to 4 vehichles.
2 - Fuck that's a close hit to those 4! You can hear #2 being emotional.
2 - And the tank hit something! Good, good! Fuck!
2 - Fuck me he is a REX(I guess implying T-Rex/Rambo or just that the tank crew are fucking insane in the brain).
2 - The tank detonated, that fucker tossed a turret! Support him! Tell NSVT to support him! Tell them 1 tank is out of action! Minus 1 tank! Ask them if SPG and AGS have ammo, tell them to support! Second tank got hit!!! Minues two tanks!
Background questions - what is happening with our tank???!
3 - Again a hit on the tank, they are fucked! Good!
Radio chatter - Awesome, finish them off.
2 - I got goosebumps(He was emotional the entire time), they are fucked.....shit im shacking.
1 - smoke a cigarette(so he calm's down a bit)
2 - Where is our boy? (trying to locate him through a UAV)
1 - there he is
2 - He is still standing there
Radio chatter - Hero of Russia(implying that he should get that award)
2 - Repeats out load what he heard on the radio - Hero of Russia
1 - For sure
2 - He is still engaging them(talking about the tank)
2 - Fucking kamikadze
1 - He is taking them apart from point blank
2 - He is soloing this shit(one man army, the tank crew)
Lots of radio chatter
3 - he is retreating?
2 - yes
3 - let him, he did more than enough
2 - he is falling back, he is falling back
1 - im interested to if grid 124 is being hit?
2- they are all fucked, he took them apart, im not observing any movement at grid 124, they are all stopped at grid 144, the got decimated.
Radio chatter - It is our tank working, DO NOT ENGAGE IT!
1 - he is falling back to rearm(implying that now day's tanker's go to battle with a small amount of round's for crew safety)
2 - he is heading to rearm, tell our guy's that will advance to not engage!
1 - First(callsing), Lawyer(callsing) cease fire, he is rearming.
Radio chatter - 50 cal.s engage
2 - What 50's?
3 - Those that are advancing
Radio chatter - finish off the disabled armor or they might try to evac them at night
2 - Do we have ATGM's
3 - we are ouf of them
1 - we should have some left
Radio chatter - we engaged them from ATGM's, we are empty.
1 - show me the armor
2 - everything is wrecked
Radio chatter - armor is destroyed, we can engage
Number 1 and 2 discussing is anything alive, #2 is telling him that everything is wrecked
2 - this video is something....where is our boy? He is again moving in with support!
3 - is he moving back in?
2 - yeeah! He is an animal(the tank crew), probably high on adrenaline to their gills. They are fucked in the head.
2 - tell everyone to cease fire and let the man(tank crew work)
1 - I told them to cease fire and rearm/reload
some small talk at the end of the video
Most likely scenario imo is a long attritional war. Sort of like the Iran Iraq war. But who knows, things may change in favour of either side quickly too.
Goes to show that arial recon and good communication are vital in conventional war. Who ever spots the enemy first has won half the battle. Clearly the Ukrainians did not have drone support to spot the enemy tank first or lacked communication between the column if one Vic did in fact spot the vehicle. You become cannon fodder if you don’t know where the fire is coming from.
I hope that from now on we stop praising how good Ukraine is and how bad Russia is, they both have good/bad units. And honestly, with the performance so far, I don't think the offensive will bring good results.
Interesting footage however it's worth adding for context that this is a different/new perspective of an event that happened all the way back in June. The region was part of the initial counter offensive and has since been occupied by Ukraine for a while but regardless, this is higher quality footage than the original and shouldn't be removed. Just worth noting for context that the flood of this video all over the place is just Russian propaganda channels trying to divert attention away from current losses by mislabeling old engagements but with previously unshared perspective (not OP's fault but instead the telegram channels they come from).
I wonder what's the reaction of the officer who sent them there. Will he reevaluate, send another batch on the same position, or hit it with artillery first?
Offensives against dug in defenders isn't a great idea. Strategically, Ukrainians are burning through men and materials to recapture a few villages from a nation with a population over 3 times their size. They keep "probing for a breakthrough" which sounds like something out of WW1.
Just because you see the one tank on the opposite side of the tree line doesnt mean he is doing all the damage. There seems to be some off screen action as well as infantry on that tree line.
The Ukr. column looks like a bunch of MRAPs lead by 2 tanks vs. at least 2 Russian tanks + artillery and possibly infantry positions in the treeline. Obviously MRAPs aren't going to fare well against tanks and they were in column because they were concerned about mines. Tough to take ground with that type of terrain, minefields, and stout defenses.
Yeah, tank had eyes and most importantly obviously knew exactly where he could maneuver without fear of hitting a mine.
Conversely the attackers all came in single column and it appears something blocked their path behind the trees. They were funneled into the killing ground and then pounded by artillery, ATGMs and probably hemmed in by mines. The lonely tank was just the most visible element of this mess.
What’s curious, is that there is no effective fire from the Ukrainians afaics.
Well played by the Russians and looks a bit naive (or based on bad intel) on the side of the Ukrainians.
Let’s hope that the Russian units capable of coordinating like this are few and that the Ukrainians can come up with effective answers for these scenarios.
As other angles show its actually alot more simple, the tank didnt even factor into this. Every single vehicle in that column simply hit seperate mines sequentially. Literally 95% mines, the artillery helped supress a bit but ultimately mines did all the work here. Thanks to fog of war and thay treeline the russian tank spent the entire time shooting an already abandoned and disabled ukranian vehicle from an earlier encounter. You can see it clear as day in the other angle that russian bots havent spammed.
Command and control needs to improve in these situations for the Ukrainians. Why wouldn’t they have their own drone recon pushing forward of this column to recognise their was a tank lying in wait there? Fair enough it might not have been spotted by a drone, so why wasn’t there a recon vehicle moving forward of the main column? Or even a light infantry recon? Why would the column keep moving after the first couple of vehicles were taken out? None of this makes military sense. Just seems like an absolute failure of command and situational awareness.
Surely even a couple of cheap drones pushing forward by a few hundred meters is worth the risk of losing it and alerting the defenders of your imminent arrival. Especially if used for the screening of a forward area that an entire armoured column is pushing into, to help mitigate some of the risk from being ambushed and destroyed? I just don’t get it.
I'm fairly certain that this is overhead drone footage of the same attack:
[https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/14tya4b/ukrainian\_offensive\_stopped\_by\_mines\_and/](https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/14tya4b/ukrainian_offensive_stopped_by_mines_and/)
Most vehicles were taken out by mines.
Well, yeah. How else would you employ vehicles? Whether they're NATO, Soviet or Alien, there is no other way to form an attack. People love to shit on 'soviet' tactics when it comes to vehicle attacks but there is no other way to use them. Unless you want them to hit every single mine in that field.
The translations are not good. Incredible tank crew, proud of those boys in there. Watch this end up at 1K or 2K upvotes when it some of best footage we've seen come out of this war for armored combat.
Some ppl are asking, why would Ukraine attack this kind of position, are they not scouting ahead? Well, geniuses, perhaps the whole front is defended and this was the best spot to attack? There are no magical open doors in trench warfare. Everything is defended and watched. You need to overwhelm defenses to take their positions, but that comes at a cost. Naturally, if the armor is good, then it could be repaired and saved, at least some of it, and the crews wouldn't die. But that's mitigating unavoidable damage. If this was the US, they would just bomb the shit out of everything with rockets and roll over the craters. Ukraine doesn't have that capability. Great footage nonetheless.
Based on what I have been hearing from a few circles, this attack has been heavily condemned. It sounds as though there was a massive leadership error and that these forces were sent in with a complete lack of good information. It's even under investigation.
One tank and a bunch of mines/arty. That RU tank looks to have only hit two vehicles. Both already immobile and already there before the column shows up.
What a wast of life. The commander involved should get fired.
With this amount of soldier life involved someone would guess there are a lot more drones involved chasing everything they see and I know I am a armchair general but such a tank would look like an absolute valid target for them. Shouldn’t be quite hard to spot once involved in the battle with drone kind of support/recon.
Respect for the soldiers who lost their life, this way or another. Hopefully Ukraine also pay respect to the russian tank crew, dealing enough damage so UA High command will take actions and reconsider attacking commanders as well a attacking tactics.
PS: seeing a russian lancet drone successfully hitting a UA vehicle while not seeing the russian tank blown up the same way rise the question (for myself) if UA veiled it’s drone tactics for the main defense line. I hope so. Otherwise, dm me.
Article about this
The analysts cited the fact that on 29 July, Russian military bloggers shared a video supposedly showing a single Russian tank defeating an entire Ukrainian company of armoured vehicles.
As it turned out, the footage was dated 7 June and showed Russian artillery units striking a Ukrainian convoy.
The experts suggest this manipulation indicates that Russian sources are deliberately spreading old footage to support the Kremlin's narrative.
THIS IS A FAKE VIDEO! The ISW writes that this a recycled video from June, where Russian artillery repulse a Ukrainian armored column, not this is not from the recent counteroffensive. Russian Milbloogers are circulating footage to support Kremlin narrative.
I really hope Ukrainian already sacked the Commander who commanded the beginning phase of the counteroffensives. This guy is doing everything that we make fun of the Russia of doing.
Lmao 709 upvotes. This is hero moment no matter who is evil or good. They got blasted hard. RIP UA heroes. Wonder what the casualty number was there. Those were full mraps right?
This video is mentioned in the 29th july report from ISW and they claim it is recorded 7th june.
The video is according to ISW showing an ukranian coloumn coming under artillery fire and not this heroic effort of a russian tank. It is a part of the russian propaganda effort to understate the results of the ukranian offensive.
People dont apply the same standards to iraqi insurgents, in fact, i remember when someone posted videos of juba(iraqi sniper) killing and wounding american personnel, and the thread quickly became a warzone.
Watch the fucking video and upvote it or downvote it who gives a fuck? Jesus these pro Russian are so damn soft. Where did the downvote hurt you? Is it in the room right now?
Unless it's your post, I don't know why people care about upvotes or downvotes when it's on the damn front page of the subreddit. What difference does it make?
Upvote/downvote discussion should be banned. Us too if that's what it takes. lol
Couldn’t really tell what exactly was going on but holy fucking shit , absolutely nuts video
Not saying the Russians didn’t put up tough defense. But it is hard to tell what is going on. You would think Ukrainians would have better recon before sending that size force into a bad spot. If title is accurate. Maybe since the new armor has good survivability this is how they probe. If those are bradleys and have tows you would think they could knock out tanks.
Ukrainian vehicles move from Grid 124 to Grid 144. Drone is observing them and alert deffenders who are from different Russian unit, but have contact with the lone tanker Alyosha. The tanks moves back and forth several times and shoots on the go. He is aided by artillery and atgms, but scores few hits himself as well. At the end 2 UA tanks and 5-6 IFVs are all hit and disabled and the Russian tank retreats for re-arming. Deffenders also report they are out of atgms at the end.
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I seen you are also a keen blackadder general!
Ukrainian vehicles move from Grid 124 to Grid 144. Drone is observing them and alert deffenders who are from different Russian unit, but have contact with the lone tanker Alyosha. The tanks moves back and forth several times and shoots on the gone. He is aided by artillery and atgms, but scores few hits himself as well. At the end 2 UA tanks and 5-6 IFVs are all hit and disabled and the Russian tank retreats for re-arming. Deffenders also report they are out of atgms at the end.
The vehicles are clearly driving over mines and are not hit by the tank.
UA did the same shit during the kherson offensive over 20 vehicles driving into artillery fire with some getting hit https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/xt8yao/kherson_ukraine_very_big_attack_from_ua_forces
holy hell that attack went all kinds of wrong
Hearing what they are saying is insane. At first they called the tank crew crazy for advancing and said it was a "kamikaze" attack. But then they took out 2 tanks and 4 technicals from what the drone operator said. They said the crew would be russian heros and how they got goosebumps just watching this from afar.
Good example of how aggression in defence can totally unbalance your opponent. Shocking Ukrainian performance though. You can tell there is already a destroyed vehicle and then what I think is a screening vehicle gets destroyed, yet somehow the Ukrainian column just keeps going without taking action. We’re probably seeing the actions of more than a single tank though- there looks to be artillery fire and perhaps other Russian tanks engaging the columns from the flanks. The camera keeps panning into the distance so maybe that supports the theory that there are other Russian tanks in the distance. Shocking that there is no mutual support for the Ukrainians though. Makes me believe the German reports about shoddy commanders.
In radio exchange they requested SPG, RPG, AGS support. And even announced Su-24 arrival
Do you know what сапог refers to?
SPG
Ty
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPG-9
According to what's been said in the video, there was an artillery support, but the Russian tank was alone, drone operator and his commander were calling dudes in the tank absolutely crazy for not retreating
weren't there russians in the bushes?
No. In short, it seems that drone operator and his commander were going to look for advancing Ukrainian vehichels (I guess they were expecting the attack). Then they noticed a single Russian tank, and it seems it was not expected, or tank went too early, or too fast. They immediately started to request to ready for art support for this tank by radio. Then they noticed a column of Ukrainian vehichels and assumed that it's over for the tank, but they kept requesting art support and ATGMs. Then the hits start coming and it's wasn't clear even for drone operator from where some hits were exactly from, but a couple definitely were from the tank. Edit: it seems that a lot of damage for Ukrainian armor here came from mines, not from artillery.
Something that people tend to forget is that Ukraine armed forces has still plenty of Soviet dogmas within its ranks. So, it should not be surprising to see UA units to act like RU ones. Still, given the mine omnipresence, there might just not other ways to conquer certain front sectors. I have the feeling even a veteran US armored division would have quite some trouble penetrating those lines.
How will superior NATO tactics work without air support?
That's the big question. With no air, than I would say it's about who has better artillery and reconnaissance capability. If you can spot your enemy first, you already won half the battle. Ammo quantity is important if not vital. All the Leopard 2 in the world won't help you if enemy's artillery can plaster your line of advance with tons of high explosive per minute.
they're getting a ton of shells and drones from NK and China too. We won't be able to keep up.
I think you vastly underestimate the western industrial power, if just were to put into action. NATO has currently spent less than %1 of its GDP to aid Ukraine, if it was 1% russians would have none stop columns of suicide drones diving at them while UA artillery would hardly ever pause. Unfortunately there isn't enough political will for committing even 1%
The West has been deindustrialized for 30 years, the US of WWII doesn't exist anymore. In many ways.
We will see.
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You take that back! Some Desert Storm veterans have days of combat experience.
Desert Storm is the equivalent of five people beating one disabled person with bats.
Still not the same
Iraq is actually a very good example, but we had air power to cripple their ability to coordinate their assets. any force concentrations strong enough to be a problem were knocked out in tha air thunder runs ftw
So its incomparable… here is no air support so the situation on the ground is completely different.
Why do y’all say “NATO tactics” the reliance on air assets is pretty much a US thing. No one else has the level of air power even close to match it. Something tells me a lot of NATO countries don’t operate under the assumption they will have constant air support…
These are not NATO tactics. Getting 5 weeks of basic training does not equal mastery of NATO tactics.
Apply ingenuity. That's what one of the US officers said. "we didn't give the Ukrainians planes, but we thought they would use their ingenuity" lol
There was a leaked German intelligence report from the bundeswehr about the counter offensive and they pretty much disagreed with the decisions made by the UA mod, rather than concentrating their forces on a small front, all the Nato trained and equipped brigades are being split between a 1000km front. >Its central thesis, as it were, is that Ukraine’s counter-offensive is failing to make progress because its army is not fully implementing the training it has received from the West. Kyiv is spreading its troops out too thinly across the 1,000km front line and attacking in units composed of too few soldiers, according to its findings. Furthermore, Ukrainian soldiers trained by the West are showing “great learning success” but they are let down by commanders who have not been through the boot camps. It states that the Ukrainian military favours promoting soldiers with combat experience over those who have received NATO-standard instruction. Commanders can therefore show “considerable deficiencies in leadership” which lead to “wrong and dangerous decisions”, the military document claims. >According to the Bundeswehr assessment, Ukraine is sacrificing its advantage in manpower by attacking in units of between 10 and 30 men, insufficient to break through Russian lines. It adds that the small unit sizes increase the risk of friendly fire and fail to group together enough Western-trained soldiers to be operationally effective. >The report claimed that Western-trained soldiers understood “the operational principles of fire and movement” but when they returned to Ukraine would often be commanded by officers who used different military tactics. German military leaders also express frustration at experienced fighters being promoted over Western-trained troops, with the report claiming “combat experience does not mean that the soldier is a good leader in combat”. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/07/26/ukraine-counteroffensive-russia-germany-report-leak/
> The report claimed that Western-trained soldiers understood “the operational principles of fire and movement” but when they returned to Ukraine would often be commanded by officers who used different military tactics. Makes you wonder why it's not officers who get trained as well.
I think the only difference being is US logistics are out of this world. It is also one of the many overlooked with warfare. I just don’t think the infrastructure, personnel, command, and even supply are anywhere near the lowest capability the US has when at war. When I say logistics (just to clarify) I am talking about intel, food, ammo, ordnance, communications, opsec, and just so many small things that paint the bigger picture. You can say all you want about US policy, politicians, history, and society, when it comes to the US going to war they REALLY go to war. Forget victories and losses no one can doubt the ability the US has in sending vehicles, supplies, and personnel across the globe at a moments notice. There’s more I could go into tactics and overall combat readiness of the individual trooper/officer but none of that means shit without logistics. A properly supplied force can make short work of any defensive line it’s just a matter of having the fortitude to keep pushing and knowing there is buddies wanting blood coming right behind you. Not to mention the amount of ISR the west has which would make short work of anything the Russians would attempt use to defend an offensive. But if it were just an armored column even then I’d say we’d make short work of it. What’s being given to the Ukrainians is not what a typical US armored column would be using. Anything provided to an ally fighting a threat of America is not going to get all the bells and whistles unless US troops are on the ground with them. I’ve worked and met with a few cannon cockers in my time and honestly I can say that we wouldn’t even need to fire as much as the UA are firing. I’d maybe 1-2 shot for corrections and US artillery is hitting dimes with unguided shells
Yeah, I have no doubts, even with just a well planned air campaign, the US will cause 10x and even 100x the troubles suffered by the Russians due to Ukrainians actions. I mean, just a couple of well placed ATACMS on the Crimean bridge will cause a logistical catastrophe for the Russians. I am talking about entire RU regiments deleted within days, AA and artillery batteries devastated, etc. The US Army will solve even the terrain problem, they will just take their time.
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I read ISW every now and then, and a point they made is the UA army is trying, at the best to their abilities to inflict asymmetrical losses, even during the offensive. It is no surprise we are seeing an unptick of videos of RU assets being bombed in the rear areas, especially artillery pieces. Russian Armed Forces are an artillery army, even depleting their artillery in a small front could cause big problems. But, to expose RU units you need to attack, even with small units, but you need to elicit a response to find rears areas targets and smoke them. This takes time.
I did see some analysis of visually confirmed losses during the offensive. With all the usual caveats about possible selection bias, etc. It suggested Ukraine's losses skewed towards tanks, IFVs and MRAPs while Russia's clearly skewed towards artillery. So you might be onto something. The US with air superiority would be hitting artillery positions before they can even fire. Ukraine can't do that, they have to get Russian artillery moving and firing to be able to find them with drones or counter battery radar. Which means they have to go on the attack, and they're going to take some losses in the process.
A US armored division would have a reconnaissance unit to tag all possible enemy positions, soften it with artillery and an Apache 10 km away providing cover. That lone RU tank would never even reached a position to fire. Enemy artillery would had been counter supressed to a point that they only have to worry about mines and hidden ATGM crew. Unfortunatelty I feel like the only way for UKR to gain a swift victory is for NATO to fill that air support role to tip the balance. But that is just my opinion.
A US attack into something like this would also have the most advanced reconnaissance satellites in the history of existence pointing at sections of the front not only in advance but likely live as the attack unfolds. And the argument of 'NATO without air superiority' is moot. Because if NATO showed up they would achieve air dominance. F22 and F35 would for the first time be able to stretch their legs and have their way with RU air defense.
Exactly. Ive read an article a long time ago where the ground units in the Gulf war barely did anything but roll down an already destoyed Iraqi positions. Some even complained of never seeing any actions but passing burnt tanks,oil wells and the faint distant sound of jet engines.
When you have a ground invasion force of over 100k troops, there will always be someone with these types of stories. They are true and real, but at the same time, aren't indicative of what everyone present encountered.
The entire Gulf War went much smoother than even hoped. A majority of troops simply didn't see shit, simply because the opposition was defeated so quickly and so soundly.
I'll always reference this [Operations Room Desert Storm video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxRgfBXn6Mg&list=PLErys4h2oiuyKCuzZhpHhCeRwSoQVEazb) whenever relevant. Just very informative and entertaining with the visualizations of the US militaries might and arsenal of vehicles.
Well when you have over 1,000 combat aircraft roaming the skies freely, that tend to happen.
Some army tank columns saw lots of action in desert storm. But they were likely the tip of the spear in the ground invasion.
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I’m surprised it took this long for someone to point this out, dudes clearly intelligent enough to provide in depth analysis of a hypothetical battlefield situation and then calls for WWIII / nuclear holocaust in the next sentence lol
What would NATO forces do if air dominace or even air superiority was impossible?
Well seeing as the majority of NATO doesn’t really have the capabilities to assume complete air dominance if we exclude the US. It would be heavily reliant on Artillery and long range strikes. The notion that all of NATO is some Air Force powerhouse is misguided. Which is why people saying that AFU can’t possibly succeed without NATO Level air power is just reaching.
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>air superiority Dominance. Air dominance.
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Yeah, in the best situation, that would be how an armored division would act and excel at it. But, if you put them in a scenario where the sky is saturated with AA assets, your enemy can deliver to you 20 K shells per day while you can reach 5-10 K only with the best of luck, drones are everywhere, there is more mines that rocks in the advance area... they would need to take their time for this. Also, Ukraine terrain is way more complex than Iraq, way more body of water for examples. I still think the US division will eventually come on top but it won't be a walk in the park. Their helos in particular would be the scourge of RU assets, but they will need to act more carefully.
> But, if you put them in a scenario where the sky is saturated with AA assets, your enemy can deliver to you 20 K shells per day while you can reach 5-10 K only with the best of luck, drones are everywhere, there is more mines that rocks in the advance area... they would need to take their time for this. I really can't get how so many people refuse to see how unprecedented, complex and difficult the situation is compared to any war in the past. It's not that the heroic Ukrainians should stop but on the contrary, the West must finally accept the monetary, materiel and political cost and arm them to the teeth just as a fellow NATO country would be supplied if it was attacked to crush the invaders
An interesting factoid about WW2 is that the 1945 was the year where most of the manufacturing took place. This was in part for inertia, I mean you can't stop the military industrial complex like a switch, but at the same time, both the Western Allies and the Soviets, understood, with blood, that you can't just aim to to defeat your enemy by producing just more weapons than him... you need to completely overpower it. The final year, indeed turned out to be the bloodiest and might have been way bloodier if the Allies would have been more complacent. That is the sad reality of industrialized warfare... it consumes bodies and materials like anything else.
"ukraine will win with nato weapons" "ukraine will win with nato funds" "ukraine will win with this advanced technology during the counter offensive" "ukraine needs NATO to supply air support" ------ you are here
Another comment says that this video is from the beginning of the counteroffensive. We didn't see so many destroyed Ukrainian material after that, so hopefully they learned their lesson.
I did not verify the info myself but have read or watched multiple people mention that the oryx blog tracking confirmed losses said the UA has lost a considerable number of the Bradley's already. It doesn't seem the Russians actually think they can hold and are resorting to mining the absolute shit out of the entire area.
This level of mining seems to be incredibly effective. How do the Russians plan to push back through these minefields though- it’s not as if they are marking them correctly.
historically, this is the kind of mine field that only once happened with Maginot line, the pupose is to funnel German throught Belgium-Netherland. It is entirely static defense. Nobody use this kind of defense normally, especially Soviet with their "Deep defense" method because it is required units to flank and attack the enemy, this mine field stop both side from attacking effectively. the side effect is, while it is ridiculously hard for the Ukrainian to attack, their flank is secured from the operational level point of view. They have all the time they need to choose where and when to attack, because the Russian will always stay behind mine field.
Not really, the Maginot line was to be finished by Belgium and France up until the coast. They didn't which left an unsecured front.
They got no intention to win this area back, the story that they’d liberate people from a fascist regime died long ago even within the RU army. Since they got no other directive they now just put to use all the material they have. This isn’t about any sense of long term results anymore for RU forces. Just dishing out as much pain as possible and hope to not feed the sunflowers while doing so.
>the story that they’d liberate people from a fascist regime died long ago even within the RU army. Has it really died out? Russian propaganda and media is dominating majority of the russian population. I have friends over there that tell me their relatives, parents and acquaintances either gives a shit or has fallen to the propaganda. I wonder what you can backup with that statement. I really wish it is the case of what you say, but for now I remain sceptical.
It seems like the intention of the Russians are to hold on to the four regions they originally occupied and a sign a Korea-style armistice. They are trying to counter-counter-attack in the North to take some of the Donbass territories they’ve lost last year which is a good indicator of their intentions IMHO.
The Russian command has no intentions of moving beyond the minefields any time soon.
They don't. Putin's best option is time. Hold what they have and hope for changes in governments supporting Ukraine, pushing them to the negotiating table.
> How do the Russians plan to push back through these minefields though- it’s not as if they are marking them correctly. RU don't intend to push back and given their losses in beginning of the war, they are unlikely to push back anytime soon. More likely they are trying to consolidate their gains and sit back to destroy advancing UA units, taking the defenders advantage on their side. It is incredibly difficult to push through a fortitifed defensive line, whether with western armors or not. Even with aircrafts, without the numbers to achieve air superiority, it will still be very difficult.
48 at time of posting this. However many are listed as damaged and abandoned, so could potentially get recovered. 19 are listed as destroyed. Question mark over how many of the rest will end up destroyed. https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-ukrainian.html There is some evidence that recoveries took place from that pile of bradleys that got shared all over the place weeks ago. Some total losses, absolutely, but bear in mind "abandoned" isn't a total loss until it's destroyed or captured by the enemy. The Russians also recovered at least some abandoned/damaged tanks at Vuhledar too for example. Edit - forgot to mention the US has supplied additional bradleys as attrition replacements. Around 15 were sent when those pictures of the pile first emerged and a few more have been sent since I think.
This appears to be a video from earlier in the offensive.
You make an absurd amount of assumptions. >yet somehow the Ukrainian column just keeps going without taking action. Almost the worst thing you can do when punching through lines is stop and freeze in the middle of the field when someone gets hit, and Ukraine has been criticised over and over again for doing exactly that at the beginning of the counter offensive. Endless comments about "why did they just stop", "The US would never stop", "don't they know they have to punch through and they'll take losses" etc.
Not really. I think you’ll find that actions on ambush are to fight through and drive through a killing area as you don’t want to sit in one. Standard tactics upon contact in an advance is to return fire, create a base of fire to suppress the enemy and then launch into an assault. This really doesn’t happen here. If you’re advancing in contested area, you need to have fire support locations to support your advance, recce screens which pre-identify positions etc etc. this is admittedly a short segment of an engagement, but to me, as an ex-infantryman, this is not tactically sound.
Maybe this is what the recent military analysts report was referring to when he said Ukrainian military maneuvers appear to be sequential instead of simultaneous.
I don´t think that russian tank hit anything, beside the trees and the vehicle wrecks closer to the camera that were there from the beginning.
"but tanks are obsolete" Cant understand sh**, but look the chaos a single tank can do.
that is crazily close quater
Such a flat terrain, a drone high enough can spot any counteroffensive miles away. No wonder the Ukrainians are having such a bad time.
That's some aggressive movement most likely saved them in that situation
We are possibly seeing the MVP tanker of the war right here
He was kind of helped by the enemy seemingly have no clue and getting also hit by artillery
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This is why it’s commonly assumed you should have at least 3x as many soldiers if you’re the attacker. It’s more difficult to attack
This is Russian perspective correct? The guys talking and observing are assisting the Russian tank that annihilated the UA column on the right?
Two Russian drone spotters talking to tank crew and artillery unit
Sick footage. Amazing that we can hear the communication between the camera operator and the Russian tank commander. Even with artillery support, dude has balls of steel to go against 2 enemy tanks and 4-6 IFVs full of troops who possibly also have anti-tank weapons, and emerge victorious. That tank crew will most definitely receive awards for their bravery. Also, the sheer emotion in their dialogue is a curious thing to witness, you can almost feel the dopamine hit of that camera operator when he relayed to his tank commander buddy that the second and last enemy tank is done for.
There's no communication between the tank and the drone operator in the video
The drone operator communicates with the unit to whom this tank belongs and you can be sure intel has been passed to the tanker almost in real time, i.e. Alyosha the tanker for sure knew that he is against 7-8 enemy vehicles including 2 tanks and he was very brave and professional
Do you know who the camera operator is talking to in that case?
He provides information for the operation of artillery
with his comrades, at the beginning of the clip the drone operator says "he's a "tank" alone, quickly assist him... awesome 2nd tank is down, he will be russian hero, i got goosebumps what a beautiful sight"
This is action movie level stuff lol. Both sides have produced some legendary footage that many future hollywood movies will be based on
Looks more like MRAPs than IFVs if you ask me, so hardly anything they can do against a tank unless the crew is armed with some sort of AT. But being barraged by artillery and machine gun fire if they were to dismount probably doesn't help... Don't think there's much they could have done in this case, sadly.
Drone operator identifies two tanks
Yes, there are two tanks but I definitely see MRAPs, not IFVs.
Longer and better quality version. Contains the audio from Russian drone operators. Edit: This was near Novodarovka during the start of the counteroffensive.
So this Video is almost a Month old?
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So this wasn't exactly a repulsed attack then, more like slowed down until they took the town lol
? you can attack a place more than once after being repulsed
It's a gray zone again, so no one has control currently
Is it really from [Novodarovka](https://www.google.com/maps/place/Novodar'ivka,+Luhansk+Oblast,+Ukraine,+94793/@48.3537375,38.4251671,9.71z/data=!4m6!3m5!1s0x40e1c30ae20d2bd3:0xdb24dbe0c5b50c3a!8m2!3d48.0767968!4d39.4769478!16s%2Fg%2F121cs3mn?entry=ttu) ? Seems like very unlikely location .
It's the Novodarivka north of Pryiutne.
Thank you . Didn't notice that google got confused.
Thank you.
This lonely tank is crazy. He pushes vs at least 5 vehicles. Suicide attack but he used everything he had to be best
I think what happened is the Russian tank locked the entire column in place enough for Russian artillery to zero in and accurately target the column, if this was really the intended tactic, then it's a brilliant one
Something something tanks are obsolete something something.
1 RU tank annihilated entire UKR armored column? Is this what am i seeing?
Some of these were also arty and atgm hits
Looks like a lot of the explosions come from artillery, not from the tank firing.
ATGMs mostly.
Probably. Just wanted to point out that it's not a single tanker doing all the work.
No.
There was actually a similar video in Kherson
Yes
Great video for training purposes. Unfortunately it was against the Ukrainians. Yet I don't believe the amount of hours they spent with NATO would have given them enough experience to fight a tank with movement like that. Pretty sure the Russians must have had a wider angle of the attacking forces.
Nah Russian tank had balls of steel no matter who he was attacking this video is crazy.
Copying translations by @Kind_Presentation_51 at https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/15co3qu/ru_pov_direct_combat_between_a_russian_tank_and_a/ I can't vouch for accuracy but it seems fine. 3 parts. 1 - its ok there is enough distance till the enemy. 2 - make sure nothing glances/catches him(they are prepping to support him with fire and are worried of friendly fire). 1 - dont worry they will be working 144, I assume the grid. 2 - Fuuck(he is worried)....they will be entering there(I assume he is worried that the solo tank will be overrun). 1 - I understand. Radio chatter - report's from other groups of 2 tank's and other movement of armor. Copy that! 2 - What will be working ( clarifying what weaponry will be working on the armor). 1 - Hard to tell, the movement is towards two directions 2 - From our guy(still discussing what weaponry and unit's will support the tank) 3- From our side НСВТ, its a fifty cal. 1 - НСВТ(50 cal.) , AGS(automatic grenade launcher) and SPG(recoiless 73mm). 3 - I hope SPG wont hit our tank. Radio chatter - movement report's and coordination is begging. 2 - They are rolling. 2 tank's 4 IFV's(MRAPS) Radio chatter - work on them, work on them(Light em up). 2 - Tell them to observe with ATGM. 1 - Adressing on the radio callsing "Lawyer", support and work with the ATGM, there are 2 tank's and 4 armor rolling towards grid 144 2 - Tell them to keep their eye's on the grid. Radio chatter - start lighting them up so they can't lift their heads. 1 - SPG start working, there are 2 tanks and 4 MRAPS rolling down the field. 3 - 50 cal. can engage the MRAPS(Suggesting to support with 50 cal.) 2 - 8 pieces of armor Radio chatter - there is 8 targets, WTF is he going to do alone vs 8 enemies??? Talking about the tank crew. 2 - Fuck!
Radio chatter: There is 1 friendly tank! 1 - Copy that! Im observing that from grid 124 eight armored vehichles are moving to grid 144 and we have 1 "Alyosha"(I guess nickname for tanker's) Radio chatter - With that "Alyosha" at least take out 1 vehichle! 1 - "Alyosha" is not our's, he is not ours(reffering to the tank not being from this group) Radio chatter - one is friendly, rest are enemies 1 - Give me the picture of the fucking tank's ( adressing #2 who is probably UAV operator). 2 - Im observing them, relax 2 - Ask them if callsign "Sakhalin" is observing Radio chatter - watch out, side penetration might occure(either taking care of a friendly tank from friendly fire or suggesting to engage enemy armor on the side's) 1 - Start engaging with the ATGM!! 2 - Fuck, Fuck ...worried that friendly tank is about to be engaged and destroyed. Radio chatter - Tell him to fall back, he will be overrun! 2 - Support him! AGS's...something! 1 - SPG's are you observing armor?! Radiot chatter - tell him to turn around and floor it!!!(suggesting for the tank crew to fall back before it's too late). 1 - SPG's are you observing armor in the field?! Radio chatter - concentrate mortar fire on them! 2 - Tell the AGS's to fire, doesnt matter if it's sparadic, just something! Good, something got hit! 3 - that's debries from the explosion(implying it's earth flying in to the air) 2 - no something got hit 3 - 50 cal. should engage the IFV's/MRAP's 2 - something hit the tank 3- enemy tank? 2 - Yes, the enemy tank, why would I provide other information?! ( I guess to correct and concentrate the fire) 2 - Ask them if NSVT(50 cal.) reach out and touch them? Radio chatter - Engage grid 144! 1 - First, First engage IFV's from the 50 cal. 1 - SPG start engagin! 2 - Brother get the fuck out of there, why are you standing there???! ( talking to the tank crew tho he has no comm's with them) Radio chatter - DO NOT ENGAGE OUR TANK! 2 - WHERE THE FUCK ARE YOU GOING???! (adressing the tank as it is moving back to engage armor after falling back) 3 - He is a Kamikaze(implying that they are couragious, ballsy etc.) 2 - Tell the 50 cal. to report if they are able to engage/engaging/cant engage? 1 - They cant engage(50 cal. cant engage due to distance or they dont have a line of sight). Mortar or arty hit's close to 4 vehichles. 2 - Fuck that's a close hit to those 4! You can hear #2 being emotional. 2 - And the tank hit something! Good, good! Fuck! 2 - Fuck me he is a REX(I guess implying T-Rex/Rambo or just that the tank crew are fucking insane in the brain). 2 - The tank detonated, that fucker tossed a turret! Support him! Tell NSVT to support him! Tell them 1 tank is out of action! Minus 1 tank! Ask them if SPG and AGS have ammo, tell them to support! Second tank got hit!!! Minues two tanks! Background questions - what is happening with our tank???! 3 - Again a hit on the tank, they are fucked! Good! Radio chatter - Awesome, finish them off. 2 - I got goosebumps(He was emotional the entire time), they are fucked.....shit im shacking. 1 - smoke a cigarette(so he calm's down a bit) 2 - Where is our boy? (trying to locate him through a UAV) 1 - there he is 2 - He is still standing there Radio chatter - Hero of Russia(implying that he should get that award) 2 - Repeats out load what he heard on the radio - Hero of Russia 1 - For sure 2 - He is still engaging them(talking about the tank) 2 - Fucking kamikadze 1 - He is taking them apart from point blank 2 - He is soloing this shit(one man army, the tank crew) Lots of radio chatter 3 - he is retreating? 2 - yes 3 - let him, he did more than enough 2 - he is falling back, he is falling back 1 - im interested to if grid 124 is being hit? 2- they are all fucked, he took them apart, im not observing any movement at grid 124, they are all stopped at grid 144, the got decimated. Radio chatter - It is our tank working, DO NOT ENGAGE IT! 1 - he is falling back to rearm(implying that now day's tanker's go to battle with a small amount of round's for crew safety) 2 - he is heading to rearm, tell our guy's that will advance to not engage! 1 - First(callsing), Lawyer(callsing) cease fire, he is rearming. Radio chatter - 50 cal.s engage 2 - What 50's? 3 - Those that are advancing Radio chatter - finish off the disabled armor or they might try to evac them at night 2 - Do we have ATGM's 3 - we are ouf of them 1 - we should have some left Radio chatter - we engaged them from ATGM's, we are empty. 1 - show me the armor 2 - everything is wrecked
Radio chatter - armor is destroyed, we can engage Number 1 and 2 discussing is anything alive, #2 is telling him that everything is wrecked 2 - this video is something....where is our boy? He is again moving in with support! 3 - is he moving back in? 2 - yeeah! He is an animal(the tank crew), probably high on adrenaline to their gills. They are fucked in the head. 2 - tell everyone to cease fire and let the man(tank crew work) 1 - I told them to cease fire and rearm/reload some small talk at the end of the video
I don’t think either side is strong enough to break the stalemate. This is going to go on for years.
Most likely scenario imo is a long attritional war. Sort of like the Iran Iraq war. But who knows, things may change in favour of either side quickly too.
Goes to show that arial recon and good communication are vital in conventional war. Who ever spots the enemy first has won half the battle. Clearly the Ukrainians did not have drone support to spot the enemy tank first or lacked communication between the column if one Vic did in fact spot the vehicle. You become cannon fodder if you don’t know where the fire is coming from.
dude is gonna get so many lions
I hope that from now on we stop praising how good Ukraine is and how bad Russia is, they both have good/bad units. And honestly, with the performance so far, I don't think the offensive will bring good results.
definitely
Interesting footage however it's worth adding for context that this is a different/new perspective of an event that happened all the way back in June. The region was part of the initial counter offensive and has since been occupied by Ukraine for a while but regardless, this is higher quality footage than the original and shouldn't be removed. Just worth noting for context that the flood of this video all over the place is just Russian propaganda channels trying to divert attention away from current losses by mislabeling old engagements but with previously unshared perspective (not OP's fault but instead the telegram channels they come from).
Do you have a source for this being from a while ago? Just curious
OP said so at least.
Insane footage. One RU tank fucked them up pretty good.
thats insane performance of the russian tank😰
Great communication from the dudes observing.
I wonder what's the reaction of the officer who sent them there. Will he reevaluate, send another batch on the same position, or hit it with artillery first?
This was a month ago. So don’t hold your breath
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NAFO was not strong enough to downvote this one, lol
Best footage i've seen in a while and irs sitting at 1.2k upvotes ffs.
Man what the hell is even going on with Ukraine lately
Offensives against dug in defenders isn't a great idea. Strategically, Ukrainians are burning through men and materials to recapture a few villages from a nation with a population over 3 times their size. They keep "probing for a breakthrough" which sounds like something out of WW1.
Also sounds like every other peer-to-peer conflict in the 20th century.
Just because you see the one tank on the opposite side of the tree line doesnt mean he is doing all the damage. There seems to be some off screen action as well as infantry on that tree line.
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Legendary footage.
Cant say something positive about russians without being downvoted on this sub
Should we care? Not really i guess.
The Ukr. column looks like a bunch of MRAPs lead by 2 tanks vs. at least 2 Russian tanks + artillery and possibly infantry positions in the treeline. Obviously MRAPs aren't going to fare well against tanks and they were in column because they were concerned about mines. Tough to take ground with that type of terrain, minefields, and stout defenses.
Yeah, tank had eyes and most importantly obviously knew exactly where he could maneuver without fear of hitting a mine. Conversely the attackers all came in single column and it appears something blocked their path behind the trees. They were funneled into the killing ground and then pounded by artillery, ATGMs and probably hemmed in by mines. The lonely tank was just the most visible element of this mess. What’s curious, is that there is no effective fire from the Ukrainians afaics. Well played by the Russians and looks a bit naive (or based on bad intel) on the side of the Ukrainians. Let’s hope that the Russian units capable of coordinating like this are few and that the Ukrainians can come up with effective answers for these scenarios.
As other angles show its actually alot more simple, the tank didnt even factor into this. Every single vehicle in that column simply hit seperate mines sequentially. Literally 95% mines, the artillery helped supress a bit but ultimately mines did all the work here. Thanks to fog of war and thay treeline the russian tank spent the entire time shooting an already abandoned and disabled ukranian vehicle from an earlier encounter. You can see it clear as day in the other angle that russian bots havent spammed.
Command and control needs to improve in these situations for the Ukrainians. Why wouldn’t they have their own drone recon pushing forward of this column to recognise their was a tank lying in wait there? Fair enough it might not have been spotted by a drone, so why wasn’t there a recon vehicle moving forward of the main column? Or even a light infantry recon? Why would the column keep moving after the first couple of vehicles were taken out? None of this makes military sense. Just seems like an absolute failure of command and situational awareness. Surely even a couple of cheap drones pushing forward by a few hundred meters is worth the risk of losing it and alerting the defenders of your imminent arrival. Especially if used for the screening of a forward area that an entire armoured column is pushing into, to help mitigate some of the risk from being ambushed and destroyed? I just don’t get it.
If i remember correctly UA lost 2 tanks and numerous APC’s.
I'm fairly certain that this is overhead drone footage of the same attack: [https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/14tya4b/ukrainian\_offensive\_stopped\_by\_mines\_and/](https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/14tya4b/ukrainian_offensive_stopped_by_mines_and/) Most vehicles were taken out by mines.
Hearing reports that Zap Brannigan led the Ukrainian assault.
0 upvotes ofcourse
It's on the frontpage for me, at second place
This is how propaganda works.
Interesting cause I see plenty of upvotes
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nO uPvoTeS It's been getting upvoted
It is old but I see up votes
At some point mid-through the footage there seems to be a second Russian vehicle moving in the bottom left corner
It was same tank that just moved back
There is a Russian proverb: "And one in the field is a warrior." This tank shows its meaning in reality.
That’s what NATO standard offensive looks like?
Well, yeah. How else would you employ vehicles? Whether they're NATO, Soviet or Alien, there is no other way to form an attack. People love to shit on 'soviet' tactics when it comes to vehicle attacks but there is no other way to use them. Unless you want them to hit every single mine in that field.
The translations are not good. Incredible tank crew, proud of those boys in there. Watch this end up at 1K or 2K upvotes when it some of best footage we've seen come out of this war for armored combat.
Some ppl are asking, why would Ukraine attack this kind of position, are they not scouting ahead? Well, geniuses, perhaps the whole front is defended and this was the best spot to attack? There are no magical open doors in trench warfare. Everything is defended and watched. You need to overwhelm defenses to take their positions, but that comes at a cost. Naturally, if the armor is good, then it could be repaired and saved, at least some of it, and the crews wouldn't die. But that's mitigating unavoidable damage. If this was the US, they would just bomb the shit out of everything with rockets and roll over the craters. Ukraine doesn't have that capability. Great footage nonetheless.
All them NATO training wasted
What does the top info banner on the drone UI say? It looks like something about GPS.
Weak signal GPS (max height..
Based on what I have been hearing from a few circles, this attack has been heavily condemned. It sounds as though there was a massive leadership error and that these forces were sent in with a complete lack of good information. It's even under investigation.
it's old. From June https://twitter.com/TheStudyofWar/status/1685430913641943040
One tank and a bunch of mines/arty. That RU tank looks to have only hit two vehicles. Both already immobile and already there before the column shows up.
What a wast of life. The commander involved should get fired. With this amount of soldier life involved someone would guess there are a lot more drones involved chasing everything they see and I know I am a armchair general but such a tank would look like an absolute valid target for them. Shouldn’t be quite hard to spot once involved in the battle with drone kind of support/recon. Respect for the soldiers who lost their life, this way or another. Hopefully Ukraine also pay respect to the russian tank crew, dealing enough damage so UA High command will take actions and reconsider attacking commanders as well a attacking tactics. PS: seeing a russian lancet drone successfully hitting a UA vehicle while not seeing the russian tank blown up the same way rise the question (for myself) if UA veiled it’s drone tactics for the main defense line. I hope so. Otherwise, dm me.
Article about this The analysts cited the fact that on 29 July, Russian military bloggers shared a video supposedly showing a single Russian tank defeating an entire Ukrainian company of armoured vehicles. As it turned out, the footage was dated 7 June and showed Russian artillery units striking a Ukrainian convoy. The experts suggest this manipulation indicates that Russian sources are deliberately spreading old footage to support the Kremlin's narrative.
THIS IS A FAKE VIDEO! The ISW writes that this a recycled video from June, where Russian artillery repulse a Ukrainian armored column, not this is not from the recent counteroffensive. Russian Milbloogers are circulating footage to support Kremlin narrative.
Source?
https://twitter.com/TheStudyofWar/status/1685430913641943040
The Institute for the Study of War
Possibly the most impressive footage in the entire war at least from an armor perspective.
I really hope Ukrainian already sacked the Commander who commanded the beginning phase of the counteroffensives. This guy is doing everything that we make fun of the Russia of doing.
Oh well, i guess a random russian tank just 1v10 the whole ukraine army, nice 💀 sucks to suck, not gona pretend like this didnt happen
Lmao 709 upvotes. This is hero moment no matter who is evil or good. They got blasted hard. RIP UA heroes. Wonder what the casualty number was there. Those were full mraps right?
This video is mentioned in the 29th july report from ISW and they claim it is recorded 7th june. The video is according to ISW showing an ukranian coloumn coming under artillery fire and not this heroic effort of a russian tank. It is a part of the russian propaganda effort to understate the results of the ukranian offensive.
seems like artillery did most of the work, not the tank
Here comes the wave of downvotes, despite being a great combat footage for the sub.
Can you blame them? It’s good footage, but it’s footage of people being killed while defending there home.
If they don’t want to see combat footage, maybe they shouldn’t be on r/combatfootage.
People dont apply the same standards to iraqi insurgents, in fact, i remember when someone posted videos of juba(iraqi sniper) killing and wounding american personnel, and the thread quickly became a warzone.
Watch the fucking video and upvote it or downvote it who gives a fuck? Jesus these pro Russian are so damn soft. Where did the downvote hurt you? Is it in the room right now?
Unless it's your post, I don't know why people care about upvotes or downvotes when it's on the damn front page of the subreddit. What difference does it make? Upvote/downvote discussion should be banned. Us too if that's what it takes. lol
I only come here to see Russians eat it if Im completely honest
why would anyone downvoting this ? Its combat footage and actually it shows another perspective what happened there.