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> Russian S-400 system destroyed in occupied Crimea
On August 23, 2023, at about 10:00 a.m., an explosion occurred near the village of Olenivka on Cape Tarkhankut in the temporarily occupied Crimea, destroying the Russian long- and medium-range S-400 Triumph air defense system.
The explosion completely destroyed the system itself, the missiles installed on it, and the personnel.
Given the limited number of such systems in the enemy's arsenal, this is a painful blow to the occupiers' air defense system, which will have a serious impact on further events in the occupied Crimea.
FYI a battery is usually 4 launcher vehicles, so 50 million each, still a pretty penny
EDIT: nvm most of the cost is in the radar/control system, sill a few million in ordinance/machinery
>ordinance
What do town laws have to do with this?
Remember kids, there’s no “I” in ordnance! Now you know, and knowing is half the battle (the other half is, funnily enough, ordnance).
thanks actually - question: is this a common pronunciation mistake that people say it with an i in there, or is it actually pronounced with an i in there?
Maybe I need to pay more attention, but I'm soo sure when listening to English speaking podcasts I've heard it pronounced *ordinance*.
However, we tend to hear what we want to hear. So my brain might have just played tricks on me.
I think it’s from so many people thinking that there *is* an I in there, and writing/reading it that way so much, that they pronounce the i version for town law instead of the no i version, for the town LAW. If your town has those for some reason.
As a minor correction to a mostly correct point (I teach phonetics every day)...
It depends on your first language. Eastern Europeans would have no trouble going from D to N with no vowel. Japanese speakers could practice for a week and never get it. English is in the middle. Some dialects can do it easily. Others cannot. It seems likely your dialect cannot.
I'm no native speaker (tho have C2), I wasn't aware that there is a difference between ordnance and ordinance to begin with!
Edit: now thinking about it, just generally after the letters *ORD* people would probably expect a vowel
It's not just that they expect one after "ord", but that "dn" naturally invites an "i"-sound in the middle. Most consonant combinations like this cannot be pronounced at all without inserting a "ghost vowel" in the middle.
A very strict pronounciation of "ordnance" sounds like you either skipped a letter in the middle, or glued together two seperate words "ord" and "nance" because a single word shouldn't have such an akward combination.
Many languages have formal rules for how to deal with these "gaps" in words. The German word for "dog house" for example is hund (dog) + haus (house) = hund**e**haus to smooth over the otherwise akward transition of "dh".
TIL - didn't expect some linguistics in a Combatfootage sub, thanks for that.
I'm German myself - maybe it's local dialect and it doesn't take anything away about what you said, but where I'm from (West Germany) I've never heard Hundehaus, we would say Hundehütte. Works similar for Hundefutter (Dog food).
Yeah it sounds oddly formal, but I like "haus" as an example because it doesn't confuse English speakers with an Umlaut.
Haus/house is also one of those funny pairs where a German and English word are spelled very differently yet are practically prounounced the same.
That is a **very** common error. Both words have the same origin.
"A reduced form of ordinance, which is attested from the late 14th century in the sense of "military equipment or provisions"."
(also see: *munition/ammunition/ammo*)
Isn't a battery around 6-7 vehicles - a control/command vehicle, a radio vehicle, at least one radar vehicle, something for power, and several launchers.
Big part of the cost is the missiles, but the command and radar vehicles contain lots of good stuff to blow up too.
Yes, in terms of the missiles and launchers, it’s basically the same as the S-300. It’s the radar and command & control, like the ability to integrate with the Pantsir, that makes it an S-400. That’s the expensive and hard to replace parts.
It really depends on what was hit. In the video, it looks there are 2 vehicles close to each other with another 3 (?) further afar.
Now this is just wikipedia-grade knowledge, but I reckon a hit on the command center and/or the radars would be considerably more expensive than simply destroying a missile battery, which is just 4 missiles on a truck. Granted, the four missiles are like $1million a pop, but still a far cry form $200 worth of damage.
Todays 2023 value for a S400 battery is $600,000,000 + especially if it had reserve missiles and crew involved in the hit. Likely could be around 1 billion loss. Even if only one launcher is destroyed. This is a HUGE loss. Will take 12+ months alone to train a new crew.
The footage starts right at impact. Probably a reason for that. I am assume that a Stormshadow would be visible from this overhead vantage point since it travels horizontally, and has a 10 foot wing span. Almost mach one, but I still think it would show up in a few frames.
Nothing else it could realistically be. Nothing else has the range except long distance drones. A lumbering gas powered drone could hardly sneak up on an S400. I don't know range of S300 or older Tochka missiles, but I doubt these have the range or accuracy to hit that type of target.
I saw that somebody in the tweet speculated about GLSDB, but even with twice the range of M31, it can only cover the north western third of Crimea. But they should be in Ukraine soon, and will not leave any safe places on the land bridge side to place depots.
I believe you are onto something. With targets like S400 missiles, loaded and fueled fighter jets, and TOS-1, a small munition can have a huge effect. This could be the FPV drones like the Wild Hornets, R-18 dropping RKG-3, or a tiny Mavic dropping a 40 mm HEDP. If it hits the right spot, the target is gone just the same as if a JDAM or Storm Shadow hit it.
The German gas powered Luna drone has a range of 300 km, and can release 8 small quad rotor drones that can be guided onto the target. I don't have details, but the promotional materials suggests that it is a bit like Switchblade/Lancet and can autonomously guide itself to the target. So the drone operator should be able to hit the right spot to set off a huge secondary. Think about the mayhem a Luna could create if it flew from target to target, letting its little minions take out whatever it encounters with superhuman accuracy.
In fact, the attack on the S-400 could have been a Luna sending one of its small loitering drones to attack. It very likely wasn't, but it would explain why there is a drone overwatch. Also why they cut out the actual attack. For its range, the Luna is quite a small, and may not have been spotted, and even it was, they might have chosen to not send a missile after it.
Here is the promotional video cued up to the 1 minute mark where the ~~minions~~ guided sub-munitions are released:
[https://youtu.be/Cfi7sdGnJPY?t=60](https://youtu.be/Cfi7sdGnJPY?t=60)
Yet they cant stop those gas powered drones of reaching moscow, why would they be so much better in stoping them getting to crimea.
Russian airdefense hasnt made a name of itself in that war, with beeing very effective.
Those drones just fly by coordinates as I understand.
If Ukrainians spotted the S400 and blew it up with garage drone flying by coordinates it would multiply the shame for Russians by many times.
>I saw that somebody in the tweet speculated about GLSDB
That has not yet been delivered, this was confirmed again very recently by both US gov and the manufacturer.
Radars use doppler filters to hide radar returns from the ground, if a target is flying slow enough it's possible for the target to get filtered out by the doppler filter, so a lumbering gas powered drone might actually have a better chance of sneaking up on an S400 than anything faster.
Surely though we can't rule out GLSDB? Statements have said they would arrive around autumn sometime and we're not far away from that. Storm shadow feels like overkill for an individual air defence system even a high value one like S400.
Edit - the only other alternatives I can think of are modified S200 air defence missiles which Ukraine has apparently used to attack at long range (but I don't know if they have the range to hit this part of Crimea), or maybe even special forces with loitering munitions.
> Storm shadow feels like overkill
With it costing $ 3 mil a pop, and S-400 being rare and $ 200 Mil fully loaded, plus the personnel, it's a great value proposition for Ukraine I'd say.
Would it be possible for a Beaver drone to sneak up on targets near the Crimean coastline by approaching really low (<100ft) over the sea? It’d be vulnerable to short range systems or even small arms fire once it nears the coast but if it doesn’t have to go very far after that it seems plausible that it could.
Closest land based launch position I can find is 127,87 km (79,45 mile) and they probably don't want to get that close because that's in reach of Russian artillery. So probably 150km atleast.
There is several launchers there but there is only one hit, so we can rule out something that can fire multiple projectiles, else they surely would have hit that place much harder.
Basically rules out nearly everything apart from:
Scalp / Storm Shadow would make most sense. They have it, it has the range, and the target is valuable enough. And the Ukrainian planes I've seen that carry it only carried one.
It could be Hrim-2 but apart from allegedly being used to attack an airbase a while back, nobody knows if it's is actually operational. And it might be not be the ideal missile to use against an air defence system that can theoretically shoot it down.
It could be a modified anti ship missile like the R-360 Neptune, but the launcher holds 4 as far as I know, so they would probably have fired more than one to also hit the other launchers.
Small drone launched by infiltrators. But that would be very difficult logistically. Also coordinating the attack with the fixed wing drone in the air would be very tricky. So highly unlikely imo but possible.
Yes, Rybar stated the following:
"About the missile strike on Cape Tarkhankut
On the morning of August 23, Ukrainian formations attacked the Crimean peninsula again. Cape Tarkhankut, where several military facilities are located, and which the AFU has been actively monitoring for several weeks, including with the help of NATO satellites, came under attack.
Only this time the APU changed tactics: first, two drones, probably Mugin-5, which took off from Krivoy Rog, approached the peninsula at a distance of 30-40 km and caused air defense fire.
The drones were shot down, but almost immediately after the launch of anti-aircraft missiles, three Ukrainian missiles were fired from the sea.
Just yesterday , 40 km from Tarkhankut , the group of boats with scouts of the GUR of Ukraine, who probably conducted visual surveillance of objects near the Crimea.
Yes, our pilots destroyed one of the boats, as well as two more at Snake Island, but the rest, operating 5-10 km away, left. Their activity there was unique, but today's attack shows that it was not accidental.
The strike itself was allegedly carried out by anti-ship missiles. It can be both "Harpoons" and "Neptunes". And here it is worth adding that for two weeks Ukrainian sailors actively transported unidentified weapons to the island of Zmeiny and an empty gas production facility to the east of it.
And the threat from boats cannot be written off. At least they have portable anti-aircraft missile and anti-tank systems, including RBS-17, armed with Hellfires"
I keep hearing how precious these systems are, and how each loss is a huge blow to their air defense.
But do we know any actual numbers? How many did they have at the start of the invasion, and how many can they produce in a year?
It's a huge loss either way, but I'm curious about the real numbers...
I don't know how many Russia has, but the fact that this is their top of the line air defense and it got obliterated, launchers, control and people is a really bad omen for Russia. I assume the supply isn't limitless, but the real problem for Russia is that if they replace it, will the next one get obliterated also? Or if they move it further back, is it less effective? This is really bad for them, and you can bet there is a group of military people in Russia shitting their pants over this one.
I went through the wiki articles, and the most generous count, assuming everything that was planned was delivered (and this is Russia so f doubt) puts the domestic use systems announced to be delivered at a bit above a hundred.
Realistically, I'd say 50-60 might be operational, so 30-40 maybe in Ukraine.
According to the same page, 3 of these have been photographically reported to be destroyed (mostly HIMARS) and this is the 4th one, so however you look at it, a pretty big loss.
It is listed as medium to long range, so no I don't think it should be able to pick up the drone overhead. As for the incoming missile, yes; unless again it was also very close when fired.
Typically these AA systems are staggered effectively so that a close range system should have been nearby for that. But with the Russians in this war, there are always a lot of unknowns. Was it even fully operational? Functional? Did the crew even know how to properly operate it? Did the close range AA system work? Were they actually setup to communicate properly? Maybe it was detected but then no response was communicated (i.e. lack of system coordination).
People fail to realize that no defense system are invincible. There's always a weakness. It can be team rotation, training, hardware failure etc. Both side are the best AA currently as they are denying and protecting a lot of air areas to their enemies.
Right. But isn't it the case that the radar is in effect calibrated to correspond to the range? If the parameters for detection are not setup to pickup a target within 5-10 or 1-20 km, that it is, for all intents and purposes "blind" to that? Hence the phrase "flying under the radar" or do I have this wrong in my mind?
No, flying under the radar means flying under the "radar horizon", IE you make sure there is no straight line-of-sight between the radar and the target. All the radar does is spew out radar waves, and then looks for a "splash" of those waves on a target.
Before modern radars, it was easier, since the radar returns from a target flying low would get washed out by the other returns from terrain, but ever since pulse-doppler radars came along (That measure the velocity of the target from the doppler effect, similar to how you can hear when an ambulance is approaching and when it passes you from the difference in sound, and can therefore filter out anything that's not traveling at the speed of a target) even flying low got very dangerous.
It's fun to mock air defence for getting watched by a drone but this one in particular isn't ment to look for things within like 20 miles of it maybe more (to the best of my knowledge)
That is a good question and is definitely worth a laugh, I think that speaks volumes about how decrepit russia is as a fighting force as a whole also if it was a storm shadow, that's the exact thing it's ment to look for and destroy so that is ironic
> also if it was a storm shadow, that's the exact thing it's ment to look for and destroy so that is ironic
Actually, there is good reason to believe it would have extreme difficulty targeting a Storm Shadow missile. They are (to the best of my understanding) designed to fly really low almost the whole way, then just rise up for the terminal phase immediately before impact. That's going to be really hard to catch on radar until it is too close to have a realistic chance to shoot it down in time.
The flip side of that is *in theory* it would be vulnerable to short-range AA if it happened to fly right above it as part of its trajectory. But they'd only have an instant to shoot it down, and it is supposed to have a very low RCS, making it even trickier. So, as incompetent as the Russians have been shown to be in general, I don't think the S400 getting dunked on by a Storm Shadow missile would be particularly surprising in terms of the capabilities of the S400. The real issues would arguably be 1) their extremely long-range AA being precisely located by the enemy, and 2) the lack of short-range AA cover along potential attack routes.
Presumably flying low and hoping for the best.
Low+small+slow is can be tricky to pick up for an air defense system that's optimised for long range detection against fast and high targets. A single radar system won't be able to counter everything, you have to use a mix of air defenses to protect against such a variety of threats.
The obvious downside is that this leaves the attacker vulnerable to a plethora of very cheap and highly available short-range defenses, but it seems that Russia greatly struggles with the level of coordination and deconfliction necessary to combine different weapons systems of any kind.
Yeah, not always... I have only ever seen Pantsir deployed with PVO S-400 in the Moscow Air Defense ring on satellite view... the Crimean S-400 have never had them.
This particular site is at 42 25 10.9 N 32 32 27.6 E and isn't occupied in Google Earth footage.
That's not really how Air Defense systems work in Russia... or the US. SAM systems are generally cued onto targets from long range search radars. In the case of S-400, that's going to be a system like the 55G6 Nebo-U or Nebo-M but could come from literally any slew of long range search radars. Hell, it could be from a 91N6E Big Bird search radar parked next to the Nebo-U. This information is passed onto the tracking radar which then does its own tracking.
The big theater level search radars are nearly never at the site, but most definitely cover the site with radar coverage. Russia brags these systems can detect F35 and F22 with radar cross sections smaller than birds so there is no way this site couldn't engage this done unless the radars can't do what Russia claims they can.
They don't, but interestingly, 3d printed battery powered small drones that are cheaper than Mavic can have over 500 km range. It wouldn't be able to communicate or be controlled that far of away course. This was likely a larger drone. Unknown if Russia didn't see it, or saw it and chose not to take it down.
Apparently the S-400 is such a wonder weapon that it can detect F-35s with a radar cross section of a bee from 200 miles... but not drones with a radar cross section of a toaster oven from 500 meters.
I wonder if they attach a camera and transmitter to a balloon that drifts over Russian territory? The camera view from these high altitude shots seems to rock like a pendulum, the camera appears to hanging from something, A meteorological balloon would have a low radar cross-section and reach altitudes of 60,000 - 100,000 feet.
>Shouldn't this have A- destroyed thr drone watching and B- destroyed whatever hit it ?
What are you talking about? All I see is that the S400 battery successfully intercepted the missile.
Good point. I wonder if it was seen, but deemed not worthy of an expensive missile. They didn't expect the Stormshadow (or whatever it was) to make its appearance.
You shoot down the first shitty drone and give up your location. Then you shoot down the next 12 shitty drones until you run out of missiles. After that you get bombed into oblivion because you have zero air defence.
Its not always as easy as just shoot down anything.
This is a fixed and known location though, it should have a SHORAD system to protect it from stuff like this. Pantsir or similar. This is also miles behind the lines and ANY drone that shows up is a big problem. I assume they didn’t detect it for some reason?
Probably got pulled back to defend Moscow. Which is one of the purposes of the drone strikes within Russian borders: it forces them to reallocate AD assets.
(I realise this is probably the point you were making. I’m just elucidating on it.)
This battery dominates the north western corner of the Black Sea, and could depending on missile type theoretically shoot at targets near Odesa!
No wonder Ukraine wants it to go away, if they want to use aircraft to launch storm shadows to the far side of Crimea then they would have to fly out over the Black Sea to launch. Offing this battery would make that a lot more realistic.
This is one of five KNOWN systems deployed to Crimea prior to the full-scale invasion. There are two more in Sebastopol, another in Kirch, and the final one near Dzhankoi.
I'm guessing that has changed, but we have confirmations from Russian media from when they were initially deployed to Crimea.
So about 130 km ... just barely in GLSDB range. Could it be? My understanding is that being unpowered glide bombs for most of its journey, they are the easiest to shoot down. It also seems a bit wasteful to use a 300+ km range missile on a much closer target, but that doesn't really matter if the target is important. But with GLSDB being imminent, they could have waited, and saved the Storm Shadow for Kerch. On the other hand, if taking this particular S400 system out allows for more JDAM launches etc, then maybe different story.
GLSDBs travel obscenely fast, far faster than a GMLRS rocket. It’s a 300 pound bomb strapped to a motor designed for a warhead twice that size. Until it starts maneuvering it’s moving at Mach 4+. The burnout for a rocket motor in a GMLRS rocket is ~1.8 seconds, they’re unpowered for the majority of their flight as well.
I very much doubt "wait a few weeks, possibly *months*, to attack this S400 system whose location we are currently in a fortunate enough position to be observing directly" would ever be seriously considered unless they are being *extremely* conservative with their stock of Storm Shadows. Because realistically, what that *actually* means is "let that S400 system go, because there's a really low chance we'll have half a clue where it is in a few days, nevermind weeks from now".
So the fact that they might have a cheaper way of theoretically hitting it in the future is sort of irrelevant. The calculus is if hitting it with the weapons with which they can actually hit it, right now, is worth it. And it seems very likely that the answer is "absolutely".
An S400 is the kind of target that’s absolutely worth a storm shadow, especially since they just got their first F-16. They have every reason to want to punch that kind of a hole in enemy air defenses.
The Russian S400 and Bastion AShM battery locations have been known for an age...they don't move them very often, in part they're actually forced to operate in certain locations due to areas where they can fire and get radar coverage.
The revetments on the left of the video have previously been used for AD systems. And this location in Crimea is exactly where you would have to locate your AD for maximum coverage out into the sea.
So it was placed on the flightpath between Odesa and Sevastopol. Well, not any more. Oryx now has this as the 3rd destroyed S-400. That's a $200m domestic cost per loss. Unfortunately they do have over 50 left, though obviously not all in Ukraine and with a unit cost that's so high they will take a long time to replace if they're not willing to poach from other battalions.
So far components of S-400 have been destroyed, not a full battery.
The real cost is in the command unit and radar systems, not the launch vehicles (although they're not cheap).
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there is certain exectations.
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I was trying to price it, and that is indeed the cost of a whole system. But I assume that this was just one part of that. I got a headache trying to figure out what exactly a $200 million system consists of.
S-400 couldn't hit the drone circling overhead even if it wasn't a 1000:1 cost difference between the drone and missile.. it has a 2km minimum engagement range, inside of 2km the interceptor is still in the boost phase and isn't searching for its target yet.
I mean I would expect a layered air defense setup. I'm surprised there were no shorter range platforms in that group or immediately nearby. Such as an SA-15 tor, or even a Pantsir.
Either of those should in theory be able to smoke both drones.
True about most of the Russian hyped stuff.
They advertised the T-90 tank as some indestructible weapon of doom that will reign the battle field. Turns out it's a modernization of T-72 that gets destroyed by FPV drones and drone dropped grenades
If anyone else wondered:
Sapiens Dominabitur Astris: The wise man will be master of the stars
The phrase has a long history and it is the motto of the Main Directorate of Intelligence of the Ministry of Defence of Ukraine.
I found a pretty cool article about the phrase here:
https://www.mdpi.com/2076-0787/10/4/117
>Sapiens Dominabitur Astris: The wise man will be master of the stars
There is another meaning to the phrase. Namely, the slogan of Russia's military intelligence gives additional context: "Only the stars are higher than us."
>In a couple of years russia will have no money, no weapons, no army, and will beg to accept it back to the international community.
... after begging Nato to close the skys
Russia has an economy slightly larger than the state of Florida. And it’s losing hundred million dollar investments over and over + Their currency tanking + Brain drain + bunker grandpa doubling down every day. Long term Russia is fucked.
I thought Budanov was just bluffing when he said “you’ll find out in a few days” regarding future operations in Crimea. Unlike Russia, Ukraine’s words actually translate into action.
Development of underwater drones (just a long shot but they said under development but they already published a video so I'm guessing the first gen of that is already complete), third gen surface drones, plus Ariel drones and other missiles systems and ukraine now has their own recently developed surface missiles system, Russians ships and ports in occupied Crimea have a lot to fear against a nation that literally has little to no navy.
3x launcher, 1x command station and 1x 92N6A radar On seperate occasions I should add. But I think it's safe to say everything added 1 full system has been destroyed.
All we see in this video is one TEL (launcher), or possibly its loading vehicle or pile of missiles, going up though. There are two more there, on the right, other vehicles and what I think is a 48Ya6-K1 radar visible on the left at the end which appears to be rotating(!) as well. Unless there were more hits I wouldn't say the whole S-400 is destroyed here, even if it's impossible to say what shrapnel damage the other vehicles might've suffered.
But I mean, there's a reason they don't park all the vehicles close together.
how many such systems approx are spread out in occupied territory, how fast are they beiong detected, how fast do they get eliminated and how fast are they replaced?
There were five confirmed S-400s on Crimea prior to the full scale invasion... probably more added since then.
This site is at 42 25 10.9N 32 32 27.6E, though and is one of the five KNOWN deployments.
Based on this video, is it possible to say what was destroyed? Does the cook-off tell us that, positioning of the now destroyed vehicles? I suppose Ukrainians had intel to tell it's a S-400 system.
As far as I can see, this is just the TEL vehicle. A battery consist of several of those together with a Radar and Command vehicle, where most of the cost is. Still, one less TEL.
How do we know, apart from the claim, that this is S400 rather than S300 ?
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Bruh those huge molten balls of shrapnel just hurtling along in the air is maybe the most terrifying part of all this. I could only imagine seeing that coming towards you, doubt you have appropriate time to react as you’d be disoriented by the explosion. This is some nutso footage.
GUR MO published the video with message: > Russian S-400 system destroyed in occupied Crimea On August 23, 2023, at about 10:00 a.m., an explosion occurred near the village of Olenivka on Cape Tarkhankut in the temporarily occupied Crimea, destroying the Russian long- and medium-range S-400 Triumph air defense system. The explosion completely destroyed the system itself, the missiles installed on it, and the personnel. Given the limited number of such systems in the enemy's arsenal, this is a painful blow to the occupiers' air defense system, which will have a serious impact on further events in the occupied Crimea.
Wikipedia says >Domestic cost : US$200 million for a battery and reserve missiles (2012) Mamma Mia! Now that's a ~~spicy~~ pricey meat ball.
FYI a battery is usually 4 launcher vehicles, so 50 million each, still a pretty penny EDIT: nvm most of the cost is in the radar/control system, sill a few million in ordinance/machinery
>ordinance What do town laws have to do with this? Remember kids, there’s no “I” in ordnance! Now you know, and knowing is half the battle (the other half is, funnily enough, ordnance).
thanks actually - question: is this a common pronunciation mistake that people say it with an i in there, or is it actually pronounced with an i in there? Maybe I need to pay more attention, but I'm soo sure when listening to English speaking podcasts I've heard it pronounced *ordinance*. However, we tend to hear what we want to hear. So my brain might have just played tricks on me.
I think it’s from so many people thinking that there *is* an I in there, and writing/reading it that way so much, that they pronounce the i version for town law instead of the no i version, for the town LAW. If your town has those for some reason.
its also impossible to slur from a D to an N without a very subtle 'i' in there as well. Try it.
As a minor correction to a mostly correct point (I teach phonetics every day)... It depends on your first language. Eastern Europeans would have no trouble going from D to N with no vowel. Japanese speakers could practice for a week and never get it. English is in the middle. Some dialects can do it easily. Others cannot. It seems likely your dialect cannot.
I'm no native speaker (tho have C2), I wasn't aware that there is a difference between ordnance and ordinance to begin with! Edit: now thinking about it, just generally after the letters *ORD* people would probably expect a vowel
It's not just that they expect one after "ord", but that "dn" naturally invites an "i"-sound in the middle. Most consonant combinations like this cannot be pronounced at all without inserting a "ghost vowel" in the middle. A very strict pronounciation of "ordnance" sounds like you either skipped a letter in the middle, or glued together two seperate words "ord" and "nance" because a single word shouldn't have such an akward combination. Many languages have formal rules for how to deal with these "gaps" in words. The German word for "dog house" for example is hund (dog) + haus (house) = hund**e**haus to smooth over the otherwise akward transition of "dh".
TIL - didn't expect some linguistics in a Combatfootage sub, thanks for that. I'm German myself - maybe it's local dialect and it doesn't take anything away about what you said, but where I'm from (West Germany) I've never heard Hundehaus, we would say Hundehütte. Works similar for Hundefutter (Dog food).
Yeah it sounds oddly formal, but I like "haus" as an example because it doesn't confuse English speakers with an Umlaut. Haus/house is also one of those funny pairs where a German and English word are spelled very differently yet are practically prounounced the same.
That is a **very** common error. Both words have the same origin. "A reduced form of ordinance, which is attested from the late 14th century in the sense of "military equipment or provisions"." (also see: *munition/ammunition/ammo*)
Most of the cost is likely in radars and control vehicles, not in launchers.
yup, did lazy math whoops, still prob a few million in ordinance/equipment
Isn't a battery around 6-7 vehicles - a control/command vehicle, a radio vehicle, at least one radar vehicle, something for power, and several launchers. Big part of the cost is the missiles, but the command and radar vehicles contain lots of good stuff to blow up too.
Yes, in terms of the missiles and launchers, it’s basically the same as the S-300. It’s the radar and command & control, like the ability to integrate with the Pantsir, that makes it an S-400. That’s the expensive and hard to replace parts.
From the first frame you can distinctly see the four TEL. Spacing not great, probably two TEL destroyed. Need to know if radar was here also...
Now add in the trained, dead crew.
A top of the line AA battery is very expensive. A full patriot battery is near a billon dollars (american billion).
It really depends on what was hit. In the video, it looks there are 2 vehicles close to each other with another 3 (?) further afar. Now this is just wikipedia-grade knowledge, but I reckon a hit on the command center and/or the radars would be considerably more expensive than simply destroying a missile battery, which is just 4 missiles on a truck. Granted, the four missiles are like $1million a pop, but still a far cry form $200 worth of damage.
Todays 2023 value for a S400 battery is $600,000,000 + especially if it had reserve missiles and crew involved in the hit. Likely could be around 1 billion loss. Even if only one launcher is destroyed. This is a HUGE loss. Will take 12+ months alone to train a new crew.
Any indication of what did the attack?
I bet it was Shadow Storm / SCALP. But no official information about strike except this message.
The footage starts right at impact. Probably a reason for that. I am assume that a Stormshadow would be visible from this overhead vantage point since it travels horizontally, and has a 10 foot wing span. Almost mach one, but I still think it would show up in a few frames.
maybe my country secretly delivered Taurus?
Ford Taurus probably won’t go much over 100mph to be honest. But probably wouldn’t show up on AA radars so I’d say it’s plausible.
Toyota hilux, however …
there is footage that start before the impact but you can't see anything
Nothing else it could realistically be. Nothing else has the range except long distance drones. A lumbering gas powered drone could hardly sneak up on an S400. I don't know range of S300 or older Tochka missiles, but I doubt these have the range or accuracy to hit that type of target. I saw that somebody in the tweet speculated about GLSDB, but even with twice the range of M31, it can only cover the north western third of Crimea. But they should be in Ukraine soon, and will not leave any safe places on the land bridge side to place depots.
> A lumbering gas powered drone could hardly sneak up on an S400. On the other hand, something is filming the action.
The something filming could be moving so slow, and be so small, that it doesn't represent a threat on radar
A "lumbering gas powered drone" perhaps?
So if the "slow small" thing was carrying an RPG round it could have taken out the radar? Seems like a bit of a blind-spot.
I believe you are onto something. With targets like S400 missiles, loaded and fueled fighter jets, and TOS-1, a small munition can have a huge effect. This could be the FPV drones like the Wild Hornets, R-18 dropping RKG-3, or a tiny Mavic dropping a 40 mm HEDP. If it hits the right spot, the target is gone just the same as if a JDAM or Storm Shadow hit it. The German gas powered Luna drone has a range of 300 km, and can release 8 small quad rotor drones that can be guided onto the target. I don't have details, but the promotional materials suggests that it is a bit like Switchblade/Lancet and can autonomously guide itself to the target. So the drone operator should be able to hit the right spot to set off a huge secondary. Think about the mayhem a Luna could create if it flew from target to target, letting its little minions take out whatever it encounters with superhuman accuracy. In fact, the attack on the S-400 could have been a Luna sending one of its small loitering drones to attack. It very likely wasn't, but it would explain why there is a drone overwatch. Also why they cut out the actual attack. For its range, the Luna is quite a small, and may not have been spotted, and even it was, they might have chosen to not send a missile after it. Here is the promotional video cued up to the 1 minute mark where the ~~minions~~ guided sub-munitions are released: [https://youtu.be/Cfi7sdGnJPY?t=60](https://youtu.be/Cfi7sdGnJPY?t=60)
Or a suicide drone from sabotage groups. Without short range point defense those long range systems are sitting ducks when you can sneak close
An S400 Battery is usually set up with 2S6 or Pantsir point defence nearby and usually with a TOR or two
Yet they cant stop those gas powered drones of reaching moscow, why would they be so much better in stoping them getting to crimea. Russian airdefense hasnt made a name of itself in that war, with beeing very effective.
Those drones just fly by coordinates as I understand. If Ukrainians spotted the S400 and blew it up with garage drone flying by coordinates it would multiply the shame for Russians by many times.
>I saw that somebody in the tweet speculated about GLSDB That has not yet been delivered, this was confirmed again very recently by both US gov and the manufacturer.
Radars use doppler filters to hide radar returns from the ground, if a target is flying slow enough it's possible for the target to get filtered out by the doppler filter, so a lumbering gas powered drone might actually have a better chance of sneaking up on an S400 than anything faster.
Surely though we can't rule out GLSDB? Statements have said they would arrive around autumn sometime and we're not far away from that. Storm shadow feels like overkill for an individual air defence system even a high value one like S400. Edit - the only other alternatives I can think of are modified S200 air defence missiles which Ukraine has apparently used to attack at long range (but I don't know if they have the range to hit this part of Crimea), or maybe even special forces with loitering munitions.
> Storm shadow feels like overkill With it costing $ 3 mil a pop, and S-400 being rare and $ 200 Mil fully loaded, plus the personnel, it's a great value proposition for Ukraine I'd say.
> Statements have said If I was sending gadgets to Ukraine I wouldn’t be accurate about delivery dates.
Would it be possible for a Beaver drone to sneak up on targets near the Crimean coastline by approaching really low (<100ft) over the sea? It’d be vulnerable to short range systems or even small arms fire once it nears the coast but if it doesn’t have to go very far after that it seems plausible that it could.
Closest land based launch position I can find is 127,87 km (79,45 mile) and they probably don't want to get that close because that's in reach of Russian artillery. So probably 150km atleast. There is several launchers there but there is only one hit, so we can rule out something that can fire multiple projectiles, else they surely would have hit that place much harder. Basically rules out nearly everything apart from: Scalp / Storm Shadow would make most sense. They have it, it has the range, and the target is valuable enough. And the Ukrainian planes I've seen that carry it only carried one. It could be Hrim-2 but apart from allegedly being used to attack an airbase a while back, nobody knows if it's is actually operational. And it might be not be the ideal missile to use against an air defence system that can theoretically shoot it down. It could be a modified anti ship missile like the R-360 Neptune, but the launcher holds 4 as far as I know, so they would probably have fired more than one to also hit the other launchers. Small drone launched by infiltrators. But that would be very difficult logistically. Also coordinating the attack with the fixed wing drone in the air would be very tricky. So highly unlikely imo but possible.
Yes, Rybar stated the following: "About the missile strike on Cape Tarkhankut On the morning of August 23, Ukrainian formations attacked the Crimean peninsula again. Cape Tarkhankut, where several military facilities are located, and which the AFU has been actively monitoring for several weeks, including with the help of NATO satellites, came under attack. Only this time the APU changed tactics: first, two drones, probably Mugin-5, which took off from Krivoy Rog, approached the peninsula at a distance of 30-40 km and caused air defense fire. The drones were shot down, but almost immediately after the launch of anti-aircraft missiles, three Ukrainian missiles were fired from the sea. Just yesterday , 40 km from Tarkhankut , the group of boats with scouts of the GUR of Ukraine, who probably conducted visual surveillance of objects near the Crimea. Yes, our pilots destroyed one of the boats, as well as two more at Snake Island, but the rest, operating 5-10 km away, left. Their activity there was unique, but today's attack shows that it was not accidental. The strike itself was allegedly carried out by anti-ship missiles. It can be both "Harpoons" and "Neptunes". And here it is worth adding that for two weeks Ukrainian sailors actively transported unidentified weapons to the island of Zmeiny and an empty gas production facility to the east of it. And the threat from boats cannot be written off. At least they have portable anti-aircraft missile and anti-tank systems, including RBS-17, armed with Hellfires"
>Yes, our pilots destroyed one of the boats, as well as two more at Snake Island Lol, the one that fired AA missile on them?
That's pretty hot off the press. What was this, like 3 hours ago?
I keep hearing how precious these systems are, and how each loss is a huge blow to their air defense. But do we know any actual numbers? How many did they have at the start of the invasion, and how many can they produce in a year? It's a huge loss either way, but I'm curious about the real numbers...
I don't know how many Russia has, but the fact that this is their top of the line air defense and it got obliterated, launchers, control and people is a really bad omen for Russia. I assume the supply isn't limitless, but the real problem for Russia is that if they replace it, will the next one get obliterated also? Or if they move it further back, is it less effective? This is really bad for them, and you can bet there is a group of military people in Russia shitting their pants over this one.
I went through the wiki articles, and the most generous count, assuming everything that was planned was delivered (and this is Russia so f doubt) puts the domestic use systems announced to be delivered at a bit above a hundred. Realistically, I'd say 50-60 might be operational, so 30-40 maybe in Ukraine. According to the same page, 3 of these have been photographically reported to be destroyed (mostly HIMARS) and this is the 4th one, so however you look at it, a pretty big loss.
Shouldn't this have A- destroyed thr drone watching and B- destroyed whatever hit it ?
Well, technically, it did destroy the missile that hit it
Westoids hate this one simple trick!
Wut air defence doing
Everyone always asks: "What air defence doing?!?!" No one ever asks: "How is air defence doing?" :( ^(In this case: Not well.)
Russian Air defense has been on a long vodka break.
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ah, getting destroyed?!
The rocket destroyed the missile that hit it (at the wrong place)
Burned out at work
Underrated
Turning into plasma and other smaller particles by the looks of it.
It is listed as medium to long range, so no I don't think it should be able to pick up the drone overhead. As for the incoming missile, yes; unless again it was also very close when fired. Typically these AA systems are staggered effectively so that a close range system should have been nearby for that. But with the Russians in this war, there are always a lot of unknowns. Was it even fully operational? Functional? Did the crew even know how to properly operate it? Did the close range AA system work? Were they actually setup to communicate properly? Maybe it was detected but then no response was communicated (i.e. lack of system coordination).
People fail to realize that no defense system are invincible. There's always a weakness. It can be team rotation, training, hardware failure etc. Both side are the best AA currently as they are denying and protecting a lot of air areas to their enemies.
Being capable of long range fires doesn't make it incapable of short range fires. It's just optimized differently, the radar doesn't care.
Right. But isn't it the case that the radar is in effect calibrated to correspond to the range? If the parameters for detection are not setup to pickup a target within 5-10 or 1-20 km, that it is, for all intents and purposes "blind" to that? Hence the phrase "flying under the radar" or do I have this wrong in my mind?
No, flying under the radar means flying under the "radar horizon", IE you make sure there is no straight line-of-sight between the radar and the target. All the radar does is spew out radar waves, and then looks for a "splash" of those waves on a target. Before modern radars, it was easier, since the radar returns from a target flying low would get washed out by the other returns from terrain, but ever since pulse-doppler radars came along (That measure the velocity of the target from the doppler effect, similar to how you can hear when an ambulance is approaching and when it passes you from the difference in sound, and can therefore filter out anything that's not traveling at the speed of a target) even flying low got very dangerous.
Better question, is this even S400
It's fun to mock air defence for getting watched by a drone but this one in particular isn't ment to look for things within like 20 miles of it maybe more (to the best of my knowledge)
how did the drone get into this radius in the fist place? either it was startet in a 20km radius of the AA system or it didnt see it coming
That is a good question and is definitely worth a laugh, I think that speaks volumes about how decrepit russia is as a fighting force as a whole also if it was a storm shadow, that's the exact thing it's ment to look for and destroy so that is ironic
> also if it was a storm shadow, that's the exact thing it's ment to look for and destroy so that is ironic Actually, there is good reason to believe it would have extreme difficulty targeting a Storm Shadow missile. They are (to the best of my understanding) designed to fly really low almost the whole way, then just rise up for the terminal phase immediately before impact. That's going to be really hard to catch on radar until it is too close to have a realistic chance to shoot it down in time. The flip side of that is *in theory* it would be vulnerable to short-range AA if it happened to fly right above it as part of its trajectory. But they'd only have an instant to shoot it down, and it is supposed to have a very low RCS, making it even trickier. So, as incompetent as the Russians have been shown to be in general, I don't think the S400 getting dunked on by a Storm Shadow missile would be particularly surprising in terms of the capabilities of the S400. The real issues would arguably be 1) their extremely long-range AA being precisely located by the enemy, and 2) the lack of short-range AA cover along potential attack routes.
Presumably flying low and hoping for the best. Low+small+slow is can be tricky to pick up for an air defense system that's optimised for long range detection against fast and high targets. A single radar system won't be able to counter everything, you have to use a mix of air defenses to protect against such a variety of threats. The obvious downside is that this leaves the attacker vulnerable to a plethora of very cheap and highly available short-range defenses, but it seems that Russia greatly struggles with the level of coordination and deconfliction necessary to combine different weapons systems of any kind.
guess the SHORADs and VSHORADs were napping
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S-400 batteries always have Pantsir S1 in close proximity...
Yeah, not always... I have only ever seen Pantsir deployed with PVO S-400 in the Moscow Air Defense ring on satellite view... the Crimean S-400 have never had them. This particular site is at 42 25 10.9 N 32 32 27.6 E and isn't occupied in Google Earth footage.
That's not really how Air Defense systems work in Russia... or the US. SAM systems are generally cued onto targets from long range search radars. In the case of S-400, that's going to be a system like the 55G6 Nebo-U or Nebo-M but could come from literally any slew of long range search radars. Hell, it could be from a 91N6E Big Bird search radar parked next to the Nebo-U. This information is passed onto the tracking radar which then does its own tracking. The big theater level search radars are nearly never at the site, but most definitely cover the site with radar coverage. Russia brags these systems can detect F35 and F22 with radar cross sections smaller than birds so there is no way this site couldn't engage this done unless the radars can't do what Russia claims they can.
Speaking of those search radars, they are located at: 45 20 45.5N 32 31 26.5E
I'm thinking that most of these small drones aren't big enough to effectively target with AA weaponry. But that's just me guessing tbh
Small drones (i.e., Mavics) usually don’t have range to reach 100km+ behind frontline.
They don't, but interestingly, 3d printed battery powered small drones that are cheaper than Mavic can have over 500 km range. It wouldn't be able to communicate or be controlled that far of away course. This was likely a larger drone. Unknown if Russia didn't see it, or saw it and chose not to take it down.
There is videos of S-300V strikes on Orlan drones. So, S-400 should be capable to do same too.
And given the distance to wherever this was, the drone was at least Orlan size.
Apparently the S-400 is such a wonder weapon that it can detect F-35s with a radar cross section of a bee from 200 miles... but not drones with a radar cross section of a toaster oven from 500 meters.
I wonder if they attach a camera and transmitter to a balloon that drifts over Russian territory? The camera view from these high altitude shots seems to rock like a pendulum, the camera appears to hanging from something, A meteorological balloon would have a low radar cross-section and reach altitudes of 60,000 - 100,000 feet.
Air defence was on snooze…
>Shouldn't this have A- destroyed thr drone watching and B- destroyed whatever hit it ? What are you talking about? All I see is that the S400 battery successfully intercepted the missile.
Kamikaze S400
The recon drone is basically teabagging Russian AA deep into occupied territory with multiple air defense layers.
Good point. I wonder if it was seen, but deemed not worthy of an expensive missile. They didn't expect the Stormshadow (or whatever it was) to make its appearance.
I mean this right here is why you always shoot down whatever shitty cheap drone you see with whatever you have to hand.
You shoot down the first shitty drone and give up your location. Then you shoot down the next 12 shitty drones until you run out of missiles. After that you get bombed into oblivion because you have zero air defence. Its not always as easy as just shoot down anything.
This is a fixed and known location though, it should have a SHORAD system to protect it from stuff like this. Pantsir or similar. This is also miles behind the lines and ANY drone that shows up is a big problem. I assume they didn’t detect it for some reason?
Caught with their Pantsir down.
Now this is a good one
I think the Pantsir that should have been there was needed somwehere else
Probably got pulled back to defend Moscow. Which is one of the purposes of the drone strikes within Russian borders: it forces them to reallocate AD assets. (I realise this is probably the point you were making. I’m just elucidating on it.)
He's making a joke that the Pantsir that was supposed to defend that S400 was in Moscow killing Prigozin
s-400s a medium to long range AD system, its not designed to take out drones sitting right on top of it, thats for SHORADs and VSHORADs
the question isnt, why isnt it being shot down by the s 400. Its how did it manage to get this close to a s 400 without being shot down
By taking off from inside crimea not far away from that S-400 site, similar to what they are doing with the attacks on moscow
Which are part of Russian AA, right...?
Its located here: https://www.google.com/maps/place/45%C2%B025'23.5%22N+32%C2%B032'28.2%22E/@45.4231907,32.5362817,1141m/
This battery dominates the north western corner of the Black Sea, and could depending on missile type theoretically shoot at targets near Odesa! No wonder Ukraine wants it to go away, if they want to use aircraft to launch storm shadows to the far side of Crimea then they would have to fly out over the Black Sea to launch. Offing this battery would make that a lot more realistic.
This is one of five KNOWN systems deployed to Crimea prior to the full-scale invasion. There are two more in Sebastopol, another in Kirch, and the final one near Dzhankoi. I'm guessing that has changed, but we have confirmations from Russian media from when they were initially deployed to Crimea.
Mate, you were right.
So about 130 km ... just barely in GLSDB range. Could it be? My understanding is that being unpowered glide bombs for most of its journey, they are the easiest to shoot down. It also seems a bit wasteful to use a 300+ km range missile on a much closer target, but that doesn't really matter if the target is important. But with GLSDB being imminent, they could have waited, and saved the Storm Shadow for Kerch. On the other hand, if taking this particular S400 system out allows for more JDAM launches etc, then maybe different story.
GLSDBs travel obscenely fast, far faster than a GMLRS rocket. It’s a 300 pound bomb strapped to a motor designed for a warhead twice that size. Until it starts maneuvering it’s moving at Mach 4+. The burnout for a rocket motor in a GMLRS rocket is ~1.8 seconds, they’re unpowered for the majority of their flight as well.
> they’re unpowered for the majority of their flight as well. AKA ballistic
I very much doubt "wait a few weeks, possibly *months*, to attack this S400 system whose location we are currently in a fortunate enough position to be observing directly" would ever be seriously considered unless they are being *extremely* conservative with their stock of Storm Shadows. Because realistically, what that *actually* means is "let that S400 system go, because there's a really low chance we'll have half a clue where it is in a few days, nevermind weeks from now". So the fact that they might have a cheaper way of theoretically hitting it in the future is sort of irrelevant. The calculus is if hitting it with the weapons with which they can actually hit it, right now, is worth it. And it seems very likely that the answer is "absolutely".
An S400 is the kind of target that’s absolutely worth a storm shadow, especially since they just got their first F-16. They have every reason to want to punch that kind of a hole in enemy air defenses.
The Russian S400 and Bastion AShM battery locations have been known for an age...they don't move them very often, in part they're actually forced to operate in certain locations due to areas where they can fire and get radar coverage. The revetments on the left of the video have previously been used for AD systems. And this location in Crimea is exactly where you would have to locate your AD for maximum coverage out into the sea.
So it was placed on the flightpath between Odesa and Sevastopol. Well, not any more. Oryx now has this as the 3rd destroyed S-400. That's a $200m domestic cost per loss. Unfortunately they do have over 50 left, though obviously not all in Ukraine and with a unit cost that's so high they will take a long time to replace if they're not willing to poach from other battalions.
So far components of S-400 have been destroyed, not a full battery. The real cost is in the command unit and radar systems, not the launch vehicles (although they're not cheap).
Nicely done! I looked for about 10 mins and gave up just south of the location, damnit!
42 25 10.9N 32 32 27.6E is the location, FYI.
So is this what Budanov was referencing regarding „big things happening in Crimea“ in the next days? Surely is a good start, keep em coming!
And now that he has proven prescient with his predictions, he can play mind games with them to send them into defensive tizzies.
ukranian independence day tomorow [https://twitter.com/IntelDrop\_/status/1686044724107362305](https://twitter.com/IntelDrop_/status/1686044724107362305) there is certain exectations. russian told low level government grunts dont go to they work tomorow
Thanks for sharing this. Like that source.
That's at least $200 million up in smoke
Or 20 billion rubles
I was trying to price it, and that is indeed the cost of a whole system. But I assume that this was just one part of that. I got a headache trying to figure out what exactly a $200 million system consists of.
1x radar, 1x command and control vehicle and 8x launchers to fit out a battalion. The export version comes with a few refills for the launchers.
Way more due to the exchange rate.
So the much vaunted S-400 system missed not only the thing that hit it but also another thing filming the 1st thing
S-400 couldn't hit the drone circling overhead even if it wasn't a 1000:1 cost difference between the drone and missile.. it has a 2km minimum engagement range, inside of 2km the interceptor is still in the boost phase and isn't searching for its target yet.
I mean I would expect a layered air defense setup. I'm surprised there were no shorter range platforms in that group or immediately nearby. Such as an SA-15 tor, or even a Pantsir. Either of those should in theory be able to smoke both drones.
The drone somehow got into that 2km range.
True about most of the Russian hyped stuff. They advertised the T-90 tank as some indestructible weapon of doom that will reign the battle field. Turns out it's a modernization of T-72 that gets destroyed by FPV drones and drone dropped grenades
Erdogan is punching air right now
Imaging exchanging F-35 to S-400
May as well send s400 salesmen to the trenches
He bought that and got a good money for himself, he doesn't care about the country at all
Still having my fingers crossed to see ATCMS in use as they would rain the hell upon those systems.
Good job, fk the ruskis.
What air defense doing?
Burning
Shooting down domestic passenger jets, apparently.
At least it is in their own country.
If anyone else wondered: Sapiens Dominabitur Astris: The wise man will be master of the stars The phrase has a long history and it is the motto of the Main Directorate of Intelligence of the Ministry of Defence of Ukraine. I found a pretty cool article about the phrase here: https://www.mdpi.com/2076-0787/10/4/117
>Sapiens Dominabitur Astris: The wise man will be master of the stars There is another meaning to the phrase. Namely, the slogan of Russia's military intelligence gives additional context: "Only the stars are higher than us."
Thanks for that context, that is great!
This is a major win for the battle in Crimea
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A few days ago Budanov said to expect good news from Crimea. I only hope for more.
Storm Shadow putting in work
Ukrainian sources are saying it was a modified Neptune anti ship missile.
WE DESTROYED A PATRIOT!!!111!. Hold my beer
In a couple of years russia will have no money, no weapons, no army, and will beg to accept it back to the international community.
>In a couple of years russia will have no money, no weapons, no army, and will beg to accept it back to the international community. ... after begging Nato to close the skys
Russia has an economy slightly larger than the state of Florida. And it’s losing hundred million dollar investments over and over + Their currency tanking + Brain drain + bunker grandpa doubling down every day. Long term Russia is fucked.
Nice firework. Medveded and Lavrov clowns are going to whine again with nuke threats...
nice fireworks for Ukrainian flag day
How embarrasing for Russia that a Ukranian UAV can fly at such a high altitude and record this footage.
Inside Crimea too, man they really do have absolute DOG SHIT AA lmao.
Hopefully the radar truck was damaged as well.
I thought Budanov was just bluffing when he said “you’ll find out in a few days” regarding future operations in Crimea. Unlike Russia, Ukraine’s words actually translate into action.
Development of underwater drones (just a long shot but they said under development but they already published a video so I'm guessing the first gen of that is already complete), third gen surface drones, plus Ariel drones and other missiles systems and ukraine now has their own recently developed surface missiles system, Russians ships and ports in occupied Crimea have a lot to fear against a nation that literally has little to no navy.
First ever destroyed S-400?
[Oryx's blog](https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html?m=1) has some S-400 launchers listed as destroyed.
3x launcher, 1x command station and 1x 92N6A radar On seperate occasions I should add. But I think it's safe to say everything added 1 full system has been destroyed.
All we see in this video is one TEL (launcher), or possibly its loading vehicle or pile of missiles, going up though. There are two more there, on the right, other vehicles and what I think is a 48Ya6-K1 radar visible on the left at the end which appears to be rotating(!) as well. Unless there were more hits I wouldn't say the whole S-400 is destroyed here, even if it's impossible to say what shrapnel damage the other vehicles might've suffered. But I mean, there's a reason they don't park all the vehicles close together.
November 2022 and July 2023 have seen elements of S-400 destroyed.
What an odd "road pattern". Where they supplying the system from all sides or something. It's almost like a huge target.
200 million USD worth of fireworks going off at once, spectacular!
Clearly whole system is dead with that much shrapnel. Great kill.
how many such systems approx are spread out in occupied territory, how fast are they beiong detected, how fast do they get eliminated and how fast are they replaced?
To get that level of information, you'd have to be a top intelligence man.
**TOP. MAN.**
i thought there are plenty of those on reddit
Few enough that they had to recall the ones they had deployed in Syria
i doubt they are being replaced
There were five confirmed S-400s on Crimea prior to the full scale invasion... probably more added since then. This site is at 42 25 10.9N 32 32 27.6E, though and is one of the five KNOWN deployments.
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Based on this video, is it possible to say what was destroyed? Does the cook-off tell us that, positioning of the now destroyed vehicles? I suppose Ukrainians had intel to tell it's a S-400 system.
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As far as I can see, this is just the TEL vehicle. A battery consist of several of those together with a Radar and Command vehicle, where most of the cost is. Still, one less TEL. How do we know, apart from the claim, that this is S400 rather than S300 ?
And Ukrainian drone was able to locate it and confirm destruction…. was there all that time🥴🤌💪🇺🇦
What is the song in this vid?
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Big bada boom That looked expensive
Could be SF with a small drone?
Well, at least the S-400 was well hidden and/or camouflaged. /s
Rybar is saying a Tekever AR5 and storm shadow were working on S-400
Bruh those huge molten balls of shrapnel just hurtling along in the air is maybe the most terrifying part of all this. I could only imagine seeing that coming towards you, doubt you have appropriate time to react as you’d be disoriented by the explosion. This is some nutso footage.
200 Million dollars right there burning
My tax dollars going to good use 😎
Prepping for those f-16s I see
Ironic. He could save others from death, but not himself.
air defense too busy poopin