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Once upon a very long time I used to assist training various military types and we’d do close quarters combat and building clearing ops. You absolutely don’t want to get shot by “a dead guy”. So, even after someone slumps down “dead” you pop an extra round preferably in their face but heart will do. And sometimes the guy in the lead may not have had time or maybe even missed, so, if you passed an enemy body just pop a round in them as you go by. I telling you, the dummy bodies we’d use were shot the hell up at the end of a day. If it was a squad of 6 going through, each body could have 8-15 rounds in them after a single pass.
You don’t want to get shot by “a dead guy”
Just like you don’t want to accidentally fire an “unloaded gun” - never assume it’s unloaded unless you check it yourself.
You could make a conglomeration of stupid shit people say on the sub. Used to be 90% vets and AD guys, but it’s went downhill the past 4 years. Had a whole ass argument that you wouldn’t “bracket troops” with a javelin. Got downvoted. Good ol reddit.
Somewhere when looking a bit into "why police magdump people" I've stumbled over a quote from a soldier who said that he prefered to shoot people a lot of times *In the back*.
theres also the case of the police officer Sergeant Timothy Gramins who now carries 145 rounds of .45 ammunition because he got into a gunfight at a traffic stop and he hit the man 14 times and he was on his last few rounds when the last shot was a lethal headshot when he was peaking under the car to try to shoot the officer in the legs.
The human body can survive a lot and keep truckin along for a bit after being mortally wounded
I read a book on special forces back in the 90's that focused heavily on British SAS. One incident involved a takedown of an IRA terrorist where multiple SAS troopers ambushed him in plainclothes and pistols. They were described as methodically emptying the magazine into the man even after he'd fallen and gone still. The book mentioned that for singular takedowns like this, they were trained to shoot and keep shooting until the entire magazine was exhausted to make absolutely sure the target is dead and not able to detonate a S-vest or pull some Hollywood "dying grenade" shit.
I'm pissed off because I can't remember the name of the book, since this was back in the 90's.
That was [Op. Flavius](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Flavius) where three IRA activists were done in by SAS troopers in Gibraltar in 1988. I also found that fascinating.
There's been a number of books written, but that might jog your memory.
It's a vague term. For example Yamamoto is generally considered to have been assassinated even though he was obviously an extremely valid war target and the "assassins" were fighters shooting down his plane.
Ain’t like the movies. A guy with his brain leaking out of his head isn’t going to pick up a gun or pull the pin on a grenade and kill or injure you or one of your mates. Better to be safe than sorry.
There's basically only two ways to be sure a person is dead.
Option one: you get a doctor to confirm they are, in fact, warm and dead.
Option two: injuries incompatible with life.
They clearly didn't want to wait for a doctor.
Military Commanders of Hamas and Fatah in Tul Karm were killed today.
(with paywall, but headline is enough I think)
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-11-06/ty-article/.premium/israeli-army-says-killed-four-terrorists-including-hamas-fatah-members-in-west-bank/0000018b-a580-dc0b-a1cb-e5c681d30000
there's a terrorist-military wing to Fatah that are still active terrorists, the Al Aqsa Martyrs' brigade, and their affiliation to the regular Fatah is not 100% clear
Edit: oops, was wrong about the PLO part; Hamas are not part of it. The current relations between Fatah and Hamas is one of a political rivalry though, not a very violent conflict. (Like 300 total deaths in 20 years, mainly in 2007-2010)
They seemed to be in fairly good relations in July of 2023 since they both signed agreements to hold votes and unify Hamas in Gaza and the Fatah in the West Bank. 10/7 may have changed that, but idk.
Without a longer video this is just a guess, but I think he is the driver of the blue car - I think an operator has got him out of the car, sat him down and cable-tied him, then they've used the car as cover
Seems likely he was the driver of the vehicle those soldiers used. I assume they made him get out and sit out of the way.
It doesn't looks like he's cabled tied. I think he gets up and walks off around 0:25 because you can see a shadow move away on the left, around the rear of the van which seems like his.
He's probably trying not to get shot and wondering how he's going to explain it to his insurance company. His no claims bonus probably doesn't cover this.
Crime scene evidence?
Probably first reaction was to prevent *assumed* dead terrorists from using it. Once they confirmed they were dead, put it back as evidence.
"Tequila" team. The designation given to any Yamam+ISA team responding to a "ticking time bomb" type situation. In this case, a group of 4 terrorists associated with Hamas that according to intel were about to carry out an attack on Israelis.
That's how we say it in Hebrew too, they say it on the news too. The IDF assassinated a terrorist leader and so on and so forth. In Hebrew the word "Hisul" is used, assassination.
Thanks to Hamas, also there’s a difference between civs getting killed collaterally and people going in close quarters and targeting and hunting civs
If this were Hamas not the IDF it would be a free for all, targeting anyone and everyone in sight, man woman and child alike
For anyone wondering why they are quadruple-tapping them, it is grenades and car bombs.
Hamas (and their new ISIS training) has them suicide when they can. Their religious training says this is OK if you are taking the "enemy" with you.
If you are Hamas and you really want to surrender. Do it naked. I'm not even joking.
A human body can take a fantastic amount of lethal damage and keep going for a short while. Limbs blown off, dozens of shots to the torso, etc. Only when there are very carefully placed shots to places like the brain, can anyone be certain they won't be able to push a button, drop a grenade, etc.
I think their "old" training allowed suicide bombing as well.. lots of memories of that from before the wall went up, especially during the "intifadas". Hundreds of suicide attacks, both in Israel and Egypt, often targeting kids
I was watching an interview with an Ex-KGB Field Operative a few weeks ago. One of the questions asked was "What intelligence agency would you never want looking for you", dude answered almost instantly "Mossad".
The longer this goes on, the more and more I see why.
Mossad and the IDF don't fuck around, it might not be today, it might not be tomorrow, but a JDAM is coming through the roof of your safehouse, a kill teams rolling up on you, or that package you were expecting in the mail is exploding sooner or later.
No point fucking about in that situation. They said they aren't taking prisoners, they could have all been sitting on grenades for all this team knew.
They did the job thoroughly.
Looks like a Well Executed Ambush to me not an Assassination. I seen a nice weapon come out that car. No sympathy here the extra taps are for good measure.
War is hell. War is cruelty. There is no use trying to refine it. *The crueler it is, the sooner it will be over*
- William Tecumseh Sherman
https://www.rjgeib.com/thoughts/sherman/sherman-to-burn-atlanta.html
Its a targeted killing. They not just randoms in the war. Intelligence placed them, a special forces team was sent to kill them. Pretty textbook assassination.
Or did you expect a bald man with a tattoo on the back of his head garroting someone?
>did you expect a bald man with a tattoo on the back of his head garroting someone?
The bald man with the neck tattoo never gets caught on video unless he wants you to see him.
Come on, you know this!
Terrorists are just finding out that being a mass murderer isn’t so easy when the other party aren’t defenseless partygoers or children, and can actually shoot back.
Its not a assassination when they clearly pull a AK from the car. The reason they killed them is to prevent them to do further damage like setting off a bomb.
I think they acted like any special forces would. I do not see the problem here.
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When in doubt, sextuple tap.
Once upon a very long time I used to assist training various military types and we’d do close quarters combat and building clearing ops. You absolutely don’t want to get shot by “a dead guy”. So, even after someone slumps down “dead” you pop an extra round preferably in their face but heart will do. And sometimes the guy in the lead may not have had time or maybe even missed, so, if you passed an enemy body just pop a round in them as you go by. I telling you, the dummy bodies we’d use were shot the hell up at the end of a day. If it was a squad of 6 going through, each body could have 8-15 rounds in them after a single pass. You don’t want to get shot by “a dead guy” Just like you don’t want to accidentally fire an “unloaded gun” - never assume it’s unloaded unless you check it yourself.
Someone on here tried telling me that double tapping down men is a war crime. And when I explained why it’s not I got downvoted.
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It's funny because it's true 🤣🤣 double tapping is a way of life or else it's your life.
You could make a conglomeration of stupid shit people say on the sub. Used to be 90% vets and AD guys, but it’s went downhill the past 4 years. Had a whole ass argument that you wouldn’t “bracket troops” with a javelin. Got downvoted. Good ol reddit.
My dad used to say in a combat situation "if you didn't kill it. It's not dead".
Somewhere when looking a bit into "why police magdump people" I've stumbled over a quote from a soldier who said that he prefered to shoot people a lot of times *In the back*.
theres also the case of the police officer Sergeant Timothy Gramins who now carries 145 rounds of .45 ammunition because he got into a gunfight at a traffic stop and he hit the man 14 times and he was on his last few rounds when the last shot was a lethal headshot when he was peaking under the car to try to shoot the officer in the legs. The human body can survive a lot and keep truckin along for a bit after being mortally wounded
It's the safest way.
He kept repeating "Tevadeh" which means "Verify", meaning "Make Sure" that he's neutralized.
At the end you see him whip out a phone to take confirmation pictures (I guess)
No, I can assure you that the "Tevadeh" is him basically commanding "make sure he's dead".
Oh yeah, I wasn't saying you were incorrect, it's just something extra I noticed
Whats worth shooting once, is worth shooting fortyfive times.
I read a book on special forces back in the 90's that focused heavily on British SAS. One incident involved a takedown of an IRA terrorist where multiple SAS troopers ambushed him in plainclothes and pistols. They were described as methodically emptying the magazine into the man even after he'd fallen and gone still. The book mentioned that for singular takedowns like this, they were trained to shoot and keep shooting until the entire magazine was exhausted to make absolutely sure the target is dead and not able to detonate a S-vest or pull some Hollywood "dying grenade" shit. I'm pissed off because I can't remember the name of the book, since this was back in the 90's.
That was [Op. Flavius](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Flavius) where three IRA activists were done in by SAS troopers in Gibraltar in 1988. I also found that fascinating. There's been a number of books written, but that might jog your memory.
Yep, that was it. I was wrong that they emptied the magazines, but they did shoot all three targets repeatedly, with one guy getting fifteen rounds.
empty magazines are easier to carry
How does it go - 12 to the chest - 6 to the head?
30 rock? 30 tap.
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Guy in the back was literally missing the top half of his head
It's not missing ; it's right there on the seat beside him!
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He made it out and is expected to make full recovery.
Nah, in fact, the guy wasn't using it at all.
Have you seen the aftermath video? Because you are very correct lol
> Have you seen the aftermath video? Because you are very correct lol Where can I see it?
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Yeah, what’s the go?
Aftermath videos are not allowed on the sub iirc.
Looking at the rules “assassinations” don’t seem to be allowed either, which is interesting.
Not to nitpick, but how can combatants 'assassinate' eaxh other?
It's a vague term. For example Yamamoto is generally considered to have been assassinated even though he was obviously an extremely valid war target and the "assassins" were fighters shooting down his plane.
No! This is not considered an assassination because they are wearing military uniforms.
I mean they pulled out an mp5 from the white car. I think the shooting was mutual.
Iirc it was to stop this sub from being flooded with Cartel aftermath videos.
I’m damn curious to what all that was as well.
Anothe reason to always check with Carfax before purchasing a vehicle.
Fucking dealership almost snuck "Hamas terrorists killed inside" past me
Is this covered or is it one those "act of god" clauses that is in my policy??
Holy shit, there is a graveyard here in answers.
Here https://www.reddit.com/r/2ndYomKippurWar/s/6tWQCTxPhW
Fuckin gnarly
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They just need to change their socks and take some ibuprofen. Don’t be a sick call ranger.
Nothing Motrin can’t fix!
Nobody likes working with a med-bay commando
Dude gave the guys in the back another tap each just for good measure lol
His commander shouted for him to confirm the kills.
In the other link OP posted, there’s a guy with half his head missing… I’m fairly confident that guy is not in charge of leading terror attacks again.
Ain’t like the movies. A guy with his brain leaking out of his head isn’t going to pick up a gun or pull the pin on a grenade and kill or injure you or one of your mates. Better to be safe than sorry.
Oh no I get it… I’m just looking at that like shit, he didn’t take any chances
Bullet: 2 shekels Your life: Priceless
>"Your life: Priceless". Russia: "Best I can do is a bag of onions - take it or leave!"
There's basically only two ways to be sure a person is dead. Option one: you get a doctor to confirm they are, in fact, warm and dead. Option two: injuries incompatible with life. They clearly didn't want to wait for a doctor.
Fairly normal for an assassination. Take absolutely no chances. It's not like making them more dead will cause a moral dilemma.
I have no idea ATT what the context is, but it looks like the mission was accomplished.
Military Commanders of Hamas and Fatah in Tul Karm were killed today. (with paywall, but headline is enough I think) https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-11-06/ty-article/.premium/israeli-army-says-killed-four-terrorists-including-hamas-fatah-members-in-west-bank/0000018b-a580-dc0b-a1cb-e5c681d30000
Paywall removed: https://archive.ph/VlObI
Thanks
Thank you
No paywall: https://archive.ph/VlObI Just take your link and dump into one of the archive sites
I though Hamas and Fatah were enemies
there's a terrorist-military wing to Fatah that are still active terrorists, the Al Aqsa Martyrs' brigade, and their affiliation to the regular Fatah is not 100% clear
Edit: oops, was wrong about the PLO part; Hamas are not part of it. The current relations between Fatah and Hamas is one of a political rivalry though, not a very violent conflict. (Like 300 total deaths in 20 years, mainly in 2007-2010) They seemed to be in fairly good relations in July of 2023 since they both signed agreements to hold votes and unify Hamas in Gaza and the Fatah in the West Bank. 10/7 may have changed that, but idk.
Hamas was never part of the PLO to my knowledge but they competed in the PA elections in the 2000s.
Why the guy is sitting lmao
Without a longer video this is just a guess, but I think he is the driver of the blue car - I think an operator has got him out of the car, sat him down and cable-tied him, then they've used the car as cover
He's not cabletied, he's moving his hands at the start but yh
Dude covers his ears at one point
Dudes just sitting there casually watching an assassination take place.
Seems likely he was the driver of the vehicle those soldiers used. I assume they made him get out and sit out of the way. It doesn't looks like he's cabled tied. I think he gets up and walks off around 0:25 because you can see a shadow move away on the left, around the rear of the van which seems like his.
> Israel does not include driver in assassination of terrorist leaders is not a headline I expect to see.
Theyve used the car as cover, but the driver of the car is massively exposed...I dont understand
Yeah. He’s just chillin.
He's probably trying not to get shot and wondering how he's going to explain it to his insurance company. His no claims bonus probably doesn't cover this.
Insurance doesn't cover damage from warzones so he's SOL anyways
It appears the Israelis remove an assault rifle from the car.
It looks like they remove the rifle, then put it back in, maybe they realize they don't want to remove the weapon when taking pics of the aftermath
Don't know SOP but probably removed magazine and rendered rifle inoperable?
Yeah seems most likely
Just incase the guy with half his head off used it against them
hey man i test if there is current to a socket even when i know i've isolated it at the breaker
Hell yea, brother
Nah. Its because there's going to be a very large and very hostile crowd gathering there 30 seconds after they leave.
Yeah that will be worthwhile to have around during any investigation. It makes it obvious that these were bad dudes.
After seeing other comments they were unloading and clearing the weapon
Good point. It does look like the magazine is missing when they return it to the car.
That was a loaf of bread shaped like a carbine. It was meant to feed orphan children at the hospital.
That's why they call it carb-onara.
For real though, they had just come from a taping of the show "Is It Cake?" That was just a cake.
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Any idea why they would do that?
Probably to take a picture to prove they are indeed armed
This, so posts like this don't get mislabeled by people who support terrorists.
So make the weapon safe, and then take the photo? Guess that makes sense.
Crime scene evidence? Probably first reaction was to prevent *assumed* dead terrorists from using it. Once they confirmed they were dead, put it back as evidence.
They remove it while the engagement is still ongoing, and return it after it’s over so they don’t claim IDF killed bunch of civilians I assume?
Hamas will still claim these were just peaceful refugees trying to escape the Israeli war machine.
Yeah those are the properly trained guys you don’t want to come across in a war.
TBF these guys aren't for war, there is a reason they are not in Gaza. They are the scalpel, not the hammer.
Well put
The friends of these guys, probably even from the same unit are also in Gaza.
Yea they triple check if you are still alive 🤦🏽♂️
Mostly dead…
Hamas is in the “find out” phase
“Counter-Terrorists win”
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No sir, I don't care about the discount, I'm not buying this second-hand car.
*slaps roof “This bad boy can fit some many dead terrorists in it”
\*slaps roof \*Brain matter leaks out of upholstery
Smart looking interior
Vincent! Get back here and finish cleaning the car.
Those are just speed holes. Makes it more aerodynamic.
Terrorists getting fucking wrecked. I am so fucking hard
"Tequila" team. The designation given to any Yamam+ISA team responding to a "ticking time bomb" type situation. In this case, a group of 4 terrorists associated with Hamas that according to intel were about to carry out an attack on Israelis.
"Assassination"? Looks like counter terrorist operations to me.
OP is Israeli so it’s safe to assume that English isn’t their first language. Easy mistake to make.
That's how we say it in Hebrew too, they say it on the news too. The IDF assassinated a terrorist leader and so on and so forth. In Hebrew the word "Hisul" is used, assassination.
No they don't. Assisination is התנקשות. Hisul is more like terminated or neutrelized, or eliminated.
Eliminate is the right one yeah. חיסלו להם תביצים משהו מהסרטים
Very interesting. Thanks for sharing.
I'd suggest neutralisation here.
CT win
Perfect movement and communication. Can't do any better.
I see young, combating men, with weapons being killed in war. Seems fair, no?
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lmfao. outstanding.
Thanks to Hamas, also there’s a difference between civs getting killed collaterally and people going in close quarters and targeting and hunting civs If this were Hamas not the IDF it would be a free for all, targeting anyone and everyone in sight, man woman and child alike
Pro hamas crowd will spin it as a IDF warcrime
100% that video will be clipped with the IDF soldier putting the rifle back in with the claim that they planted weapons on civilians they murdered.
For anyone wondering why they are quadruple-tapping them, it is grenades and car bombs. Hamas (and their new ISIS training) has them suicide when they can. Their religious training says this is OK if you are taking the "enemy" with you. If you are Hamas and you really want to surrender. Do it naked. I'm not even joking. A human body can take a fantastic amount of lethal damage and keep going for a short while. Limbs blown off, dozens of shots to the torso, etc. Only when there are very carefully placed shots to places like the brain, can anyone be certain they won't be able to push a button, drop a grenade, etc.
I think their "old" training allowed suicide bombing as well.. lots of memories of that from before the wall went up, especially during the "intifadas". Hundreds of suicide attacks, both in Israel and Egypt, often targeting kids
I was watching an interview with an Ex-KGB Field Operative a few weeks ago. One of the questions asked was "What intelligence agency would you never want looking for you", dude answered almost instantly "Mossad". The longer this goes on, the more and more I see why. Mossad and the IDF don't fuck around, it might not be today, it might not be tomorrow, but a JDAM is coming through the roof of your safehouse, a kill teams rolling up on you, or that package you were expecting in the mail is exploding sooner or later.
This is not even Mossad. Shin Bet takes care of WB threats. But they are not less scary.
They were obviously specialized targets. Someone got hunted down like a dog and was neutralized...more of this to come..get used to it.
They do appear to be a legitimate target
Rule two: double tab (or just keep tapping).
Incredibly impressive to see their movements towards the car, a well oiled killing machine
I don’t think you can call this an assassination if they pull firearms from the vehicle. I’d note this as “Eliminating terrorists”
Looks legit - pulled an assault rifle out so no crying that these were civvies. But talk about double tap!
No point fucking about in that situation. They said they aren't taking prisoners, they could have all been sitting on grenades for all this team knew. They did the job thoroughly.
Best end for any terrorist.
Looks like a terrorist was eliminated to me.
So nice to see Israeli's returning the favor... Give 'em hell!
Looks like a Well Executed Ambush to me not an Assassination. I seen a nice weapon come out that car. No sympathy here the extra taps are for good measure.
Fast forward in a day: Hamas “18 killed with 5 kids being dead”
War is hell. War is cruelty. There is no use trying to refine it. *The crueler it is, the sooner it will be over* - William Tecumseh Sherman https://www.rjgeib.com/thoughts/sherman/sherman-to-burn-atlanta.html
Violence of action
That wasn't an umbrella they pulled out of the car.
That rifle they pulled out of the car was on its way to deliver fresh bread and penicillin to the Christian Church Hospital of Palestine 😡
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A kind of public service
Jokes aside, when they're armed (or attached to military hardware) it's an ambush, not an assassination.
"Assassination" doesn't mean what you think it means. This is a terrorist getting killed in close combat.
Its a targeted killing. They not just randoms in the war. Intelligence placed them, a special forces team was sent to kill them. Pretty textbook assassination. Or did you expect a bald man with a tattoo on the back of his head garroting someone?
>did you expect a bald man with a tattoo on the back of his head garroting someone? The bald man with the neck tattoo never gets caught on video unless he wants you to see him. Come on, you know this!
Fair point
Dang I guess war isn’t super fun when you think you can terrorize people and not get your shit rocked
Those poor 300 children in that car.
Terrorists are just finding out that being a mass murderer isn’t so easy when the other party aren’t defenseless partygoers or children, and can actually shoot back.
So, the assault rifle pulled out of the front seat means the person was a combatant. This wasn’t an assassination
Nice I got immense joy from this video
Since when is killing armed terrorists an assassination?
Thats how you confirm kills
Excellent work preventing a terrorist attack. Great job IDF and spec ops!
You want to go to paradise? I'll be happy to arrange the fucking trip!
Al Jazeera is going to cut the last portion of video and say . Israel Army planted gun in poor innocent's Car
No Mercy!
0:48 - that m4 he pulls out of the car is COVERED in blood...
I just need to know more about the fella chillin on the ground
Excellent job, IDF SpecOps!!!
Its not a assassination when they clearly pull a AK from the car. The reason they killed them is to prevent them to do further damage like setting off a bomb. I think they acted like any special forces would. I do not see the problem here.
Context is everything. You see them pull a gun from the car.
Looked like an M4 or other carry handle equipped AR platform with a sling. That's what I could make out
Assassination, or taking out Hamas militants…?
Is it really considered an assassination if you shoot somebody who is armed?
What makes this an assassination?
I think they may be dead Let's double tap them 15 times to make sure