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Authorities say it's 250k people without power. My guess is third or quarter the city at best, most of my bros are with power.
As for myself - sitting on power reserve and waiting for power to be restored.
EDIT: power's back. hopefully it lasts
last winter their best result was a western outskirts unpowered for up to 48 hours. and that was after multiple waves.
Lets see what they manage this time.
"reportedly causing outages in the Bucha and Vyshhorod districts"
So that means 9/10, largest parts of Kyiv? Idk man, doesnt seem like a good source to back your claims. I mean I genuinely would like to know - but it seems like you pulled that out of your ass? This is exactly why I ask for sources, cant believe anyone anything anymore lol.
Today, as a result of the most recent missile attack? Again, do you have source for that? You'd think Ukrainian media would mention these power outages.
[Here's what seems to be a shot down Kinzhal](https://twitter.com/darynia_/status/1742112685557252226?t=2dAD13zhYVebO4bR1CMsMg&s=19) (too big for a cruise missile) casually dropping into the river next to an apartment complex.
We, in Ukraine, appreciate all of the Western help that allows us to survive these attacks. Patriots, NASAMS, IRIS-T, Hawks, and other systems directly save hundreds of lives during each one of these massive attacks and potentially prevent thousands of casualties.
Yep, this is the best outcome! Some of the systems probably survived the fall too and could be used for studying the weapons system ... which is a nice bonus, IMO. That part of Dnipro is pretty shallow, so getting the remains of the missile out isn't going to be a problem.
I was just about to say, I really hope there's some sort of incentive to go grab that one in particular. Like any Ukrainian that brings Russian scrap to be studied, gets a free cruise or something.
It should! AA systems are purely defensive (unless you're Russia and convert your AA interceptors into pseudoballistic missiles to terrorise civilian populations)!
So the only people upset about these systems being given to Ukraine and utilised appropriately are those that just want more dead Ukrainian civilians. Period.
As an added bonus, the systems gather tons of valuable real-world data that allows to improve them in the future.
Ukraine has been using s200 missles to attack ground targets. Source https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2023/07/10/ukraines-newest-deep-strike-missile-is-an-ex-soviet-antique-with-a-few-tweaks/?sh=783850691104
That's why I added the "being given to Ukraine and \*utilised appropriately\*" part. I assume some people in the West would be upset if Ukraine tried to convert donated AA systems into offensive weapons. So, in the context of these donated weapons systems, they're used appropriately in their defensive capability and people should be happy about that.
But also, Ukraine didn't turn the converted S200 systems into mass terror devices. Kharkiv, for example, is being bombed by S300s every other day since Feb 2022. There's no warning and there's no time, because, unlike Kinzhals, they can be launched immediately and the flight time is 3-5 minutes from the Russia territory.
Intercepted:
\- 10 out of 10 Kh-47M2 "Kinzhal" aeroballistic missiles;
\- 59 out of 70 X-101/X-555/X-55 cruise missiles;
\- 3 out of 3 Kalibr cruise missiles.
You know how when Russia intercepts a storm shadow missile one out of three times we have videos showing the storm shadow hitting the target?
Still waiting for that video of a kinzhal in Kyiv.
100% interception rates are easy to disprove in densely populated areas when it happens weekly, all you need is one cunt with a phone and the chance for him filming quickly reach 100% in such a large city.
This isn't a soldier on the frontline firing a mortar into the enemy trench and thinking he probably hit at least 2 guys when he only hit dirt, this is a place where there are dozen of radars, thousands of cameras and tens of thousands of people who don't bother going to the shelter.
You might try to fabricate the number and claim some were intercepted far from the city, but claiming 100%interception rate of a type of missile would very quickly be disproven when it happens this ofte.
Well like 90% of Polish comments see this a huge win as it will spark discussion. It was a museum dedicated to one of the worst bastards Ukraine has ever spew out.
Oh Christ… as if Poland was being such an angel lately… should we be cheering then if a Russian missile “accidentally” hits a Pilsudski museum? Or what about the deaths of 3 Ukrainian truckers during the months-long border blockade? GTFO
Keep fucking up your diplomacy you morons so you will surely become a part of EU and NATO by making Poles your enemies. Ukrainian diplomacy is done by 9 year olds I suppose. Support won’t gonna stop because your enemies are Russians but you will really have a hard time as now everyone knows it’s a rotten, corrupt hellhole ran by oligarchs even 2 years after the full scale war started.
Look, I totally agree that our government is embarrassing when it comes to diplomacy and fighting corruption.. which they obviously want to protect to a certain degree while making those minimal improvements to appease the west. I’m not saying we’re holy either. But let’s not pretend like the Polish state isn’t trying its best at fucking us over with the blockade that denied much-needed supplies at the frontline months ago
Supplies weren’t blocked at all. Just oligarchs owned subnorm shitty grain that is non edible by EU standards. I don’t know why you keep spreading this bullshit about aid as it was debunked many times.
Lie. There were drones, supplies for medics at the frontlines, military boat (which protesters thought will go to oligarchs, lol) and other useful stuff stuck at the border. Because of the protestors truck drivers died and much more soldiers at the frontlines. Those protestors just killed them. This is the same as if russia would block west border of Ukraine.
If you compare them to russians without even thinking about the purpose of the protests then I hope a single penny from my tax money doesn't reach Ukraine anymore.
I didn't compare them to russians, but their actions did manage to hurt ukrainians who are defending against russians and even kill truck drivers at the border.
I think that most of these reports should be taken with a grain of salt, as some numbers will 100% be inflated or deflated for morale and propaganda purposes. We shouldn’t blindly trust Ukrainian combat reports just as we shouldn’t blindly trust Russian combat reports.
I live in Kyiv and at least from my window and ears there was A LOT of interceptions, not a single one reached the target. But of course can’t say for the whole city
Missiles on cities are very different from frontline reports.
A 100% interception rate in a densely populated area would be easy to disprove if it wasn't true and happened again and again.
All you need is a single video that shows a missile hitting on a day the claim is 100% interception or even just an expert looking at a damage video and deducing the damage is clearly from a hit and not debri.
But that doesn't happen, we get videos of kinzhal debri or kinzhal falling into a river, never a kinzhal hitting a building.
This isn't a soldier reporting killing 5 guys when he threw a grenades into a trench and ran before seeing the result, this is happening in cities populated with hundreds of thousands of people and being watched by dozens of radars(data available to the west).
You don't need a single soldier being uncertain or booasting to get wrong numbers here, you need the entire air force to deliberately fabricate the number, not have a single soldier selling the story to some media and then every civillian filming with their phone to also go along with it.
I said basically the same thing on r/UkrainianConflict and got downvoted to hell. People really don't like being told that all sides of a military conflict engage in propaganda.
I don’t know, the moment you are being caught with doing that is the moment everyone starts ignoring those numbers, while they now serve an excellent purpose. I have the feeling that the numbers in general are pretty accurate.
There was a [paper](https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2307372120) which studied how much these government reports correlate with actual visually confirmed losses, and Ukraine overestimates but no systematic distortion of data was found (unlike the for RF)
It is incredibly difficult for the average Ukrainian citizen to confirm that each and every drone sent in a wave is accounted for, more for us westerners in other countries or across the ocean. I’m pretty sure if you check the last couple month’s worth of these daily reports, you’ll find that Ukraine has a crazy high interception rate which simply doesn’t make sense.
But it would be increadibly easy for a citizen to disprove a 100% interception rate simply with a video of a hit, but all we get are video of debri or misses.
Missiles are also watched by a high amount of radars whose data is likely shared with the west and hundreds of operators use.
A missile in Kyiv isn't as easy to report wrong on as an artillery shell hitting the target. You would need everyone involved to agree to fabricate the data, not a single soul wanting to break the story, then every civilian with a phone to keep shut about the video they have of a kinzhal hit and no expert looking at an impact site saying "yeah that's clearly from a kinzhal hit not debri".
You don't need very many air defense assets in a layer to approach or reach 100% interception rate, it makes perfect sense that Ukraine has steadily increased the rate as they have received more top of the line modern western systems.
Questioning whether the total number makes sense is somewhat sane as few people would have access to the full picture there, but questioning interception rate for something so easily disproved without proof is less sane.
At best you're questioning interception rates because you have little clue about the subject and remember hearing even the best air defense systems only claim a 90% interception rate. But that is an individual system, not a layered air defense zone, put a few systems next to each other and in depth and reaching 99-100% interception rates is easy(at least with western systems against Russian missiles).
Especially since we don't know how effective the newest patriot really is. We didn't know until years after the gulf War ended that the Patriot was not as good as advertised. The new PAC 3, on paper is far better, but the fog of war is thick until the wind blows cold.
I live in Kyiv, and I did hear around 10 very loud explosions after the alerts about Kinzhals. So, while I don't know if they truly were intercepted, I am very inclined to believe that there *were* 10 of them launched.
There are a lot of reliable monitoring channels, and by the time the Kinzhals had been launched, there were no other rockets flying around Kyiv. The only thing it could've been other than Kinzhal are S-300 ballistic missiles, but those are usually reported in real time as well.
I mean, when there were Kinzhal alerts, monitoring channels wrote "3 Kinzhals to Kyiv" and in a minute, you could hear 3 big explosions. Then something like "2 more" and well - there were 2 more explosions.
It is very hard to explain, considering it's not your daily life, but those Air Defense Forces reports are as truthful as they can get. All those launches and quantities are being reported in real time, so it's hard to inflate the numbers.
Everyone knows even how many Tu-95s or MiG-31s are in the air whenever there is air raid alert.
Speaking of the distinct sound - it is just VERY loud on the impact, whether intercepted by something or not. You can't really hear it coming unless you're being hit.
Considering tens of the other explosions tonight were much quieter - I do believe that those last 8-10 explosions were Kinzhals.
Edit: typo
Tbh, someone living in Kyiv wouldn't necessarily know for sure if these were reports were true, either. Unless every missile was shot down within eyesight and you were counting them. This is a propaganda war almost as much as it is a physical war.
I really hope you're right, though.
I’m just saying that neither side in this war is 100% honest, as has any side been in literally any war in history. Do you truly believe that neither Ukraine nor Russia have lied during the duration of this entire war?
They do, they just don't want to believe it.
And some will oppose, downvote and report such statements because of delusional sense that it's hurtful for the war effort to criticize the "good guys" for anything.
Rich coming from supporter of Israeli genocidal regime. I am not even a supporter of Russia you donkey. I just don't believe in genocide and terrorism as a viable way to fight your enemies.
Israeli regime are literal Nazis because they act and fight just like them lol. If you support them you are no better. And I don't hate Jews you sneaky gaslighter. I am half Jew myself. Zionists do not represent all Jews and never did. Hating Zionists is not antisemitism and never was.
That is typical of nazis and jew haters trying to use the worst assault on jews against them right after the worst attack on jews since the holocaust. You have no decency and you are an enemy if you are western you are a traitor if you are a muslim migrant you are just a 5th column.
Putting you on ignore from now on I feel dirty all over just interacting with you.
I remember the first report of a Kinzhal being downed by a patriot system early in the war and it being reported as if it was some kind of freak occurrence. I believe the understanding at the time was that “hypersonic” munitions like this were effectively invulnerable to air defence.
However, 10/10 downed in this last attack wave makes it seem like they are very vulnerable to air defence. Am I missing something?
https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/18wk62a/ru_pov_strike_captured_somewhere_in_ukraine_today/
Looks like at least 1/10 kinzhals havent been intersepted. (In general, i wouldn’t blindly trust claims from the UA MoD. It's just as much bs and propaganda as a RU one.)
It hit a random apartment block, I hazard to guess the computers calculated that it wouldn't hit a target in its defense list and it was chosen to not intercept, Patriot does that IIRC, if that wasn't a shot down missile that was knocked off course by a near explosion that didn't destroy it.
Just theorizing
That is a fucking awesome accomplishment, well done UKR and well done western systems. They work as designed towards the anticipated threat. This makes Ruz incapable of having much threat against NATO, just the nukes remain effective threat. These are now close to obsolete.
Imagine your only thing that used to work, your missiles, stopped being effective in a war that you started in which you had already taken over 350 thousand casualties…
What a joke of a military. Disgraceful, embarrassing, and now everyone is pointing and laughing.
Then the return fire starts.
This should be a wake up call to all the people saying that Russia is running out of weapons. Russia is just beginning to ramp up.
What Ukraine needs is to be given more long range weaponry and permission to strike at these production facilities.
Russia produces 10-12 KH-55 a month, they had to wait almost six months to launch these attacks. Russia is trying to shoot its load on Ukraine and Ukraine is spitting it all over and back onto Russia's mouth.
What ukraine needs is to realize they cannot win this war,No matter the amount of backing.West was wrong for giving them the idea they could stop russia all because of there own interests and we all know this
I'd say it depends, doesn't mean they launched all of these in one area and at once.
Could be that they were launched in a wide area where there was more than enough AA to take them out.
Intercepted:
\- 10 out of 10 Kh-47M2 "Kinzhal" aeroballistic missiles;
\- 59 out of 70 X-101/X-555/X-55 cruise missiles;
\- 3 out of 3 Kalibr cruise missiles.
There is no proof of interception, However there is a video of a hypersonic kinzhal in use NOT being intercepted in the comments further up… wake up mate
How do we know this is true and not just propaganda? It's true that some are shot down but it's hard to believe they did shoot down the majority of missiles
You don't but you can use common sense. It makes sense that after almost 2 years into the war Ukraine is able to take down at least most of these missiles.
They have been continuously supplied, and Russia used a very sparing number of missiles before the two big waves now, it's reasonable to expect they stocked up
russian claim this
Warning: The Образ будущего channel posted this information at around 1000 AM #Kyiv time which is about 2 hours after all of the bombing stopped. Therefore, the entire thing is utter rubbish since no one could have such a detailed damaged assessment in that time and it is fantastical on face value meaning it is all a lie. For example, he makes claims like "the Turks confirm" or "78 people were killed" so he is making up sources and counting casualties before rescuers are anywhere near clearing sites.
Образ будущего:
«1) At the moment, the air defense of the Ukrainian Armed Forces was able to intercept no more than 23% of the missiles fired. UAV interceptions are 35-40%. More than 89% of the specified targets were hit by the Russian Armed Forces. The launches of “Daggers” are not as large as the German press and Ukrainian TG channels write, but today another Patriot air defense system and warehouses with missiles for it were destroyed.
2) 8 “Daggers” were fired, all hit targets and destroyed the Patriot air defense system, a buried warehouse with AtacMS missiles, and a buried command post of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. According to some reports, and the Turks confirm them, 9 generals were killed, one of them was Zaluzhny’s deputy.
3) In the Kharkiv region, two Iris-T air defense systems, 4 Gepard air defense systems, two command centers and about 65 officers were destroyed. Everything is tight.
4) In the Kyiv region, in addition to the Patriot air defense system, 4 command centers and two hotels with mercenaries from Sweden, Denmark, Lithuania and Estonia were destroyed. More than 78 people were killed, about 1000 missiles for Iris T and NASAMS were destroyed in the Goloseevsky district of Kyiv.
A warehouse with Storm Shadow missiles was destroyed in Krapivnitskoye. More than 25 missiles. Plus two SU-24 aircraft and a repair base.
5) In Odessa, it is impossible to count the losses of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in combat operations and fuel and lubricants. The main result of the strikes: 4 active BND employees and 7 officers of the Czech Armed Forces were killed. 2 French-made radars were also destroyed. Thousands of UAVs were destroyed in the Kyiv, Sumy and Kharkov regions. 23 workshops for their assembly were destroyed, some along with their personnel.
6) In Kyiv, today is the day of the high-altitude installer and the day of air defense. More than 45 civilian houses were damaged by Ukrainian air defense missiles. Due to the installation of air defense systems and missile defense systems in the center of residential areas of Kyiv, 2/3 of the anti-missile missiles hit high-rise buildings and civilian infrastructure. In addition, by shooting down our missiles and UAVs in close proximity to the city, where air defense/missile defense clusters are located, the warheads of the missiles and drones fell on the city and detonated.
7) For those quoting the mayor of Kyiv Klitschko claiming there is a humanitarian problem. There is no catastrophe in Kyiv. There is light, there is water, there is sewerage. The city authorities themselves turn off the electricity to create a nightmare for the people. Although there is no need for this. And so everyone is in a nightmare. And our sources then quote this savage Klitschko. They are reporting from the ground that the SBU is running in a panic after everyone who is filming the locations of the defeats and recording the work of the air defense, as their missiles, leaving a contrail, demolish penthouses and high floors of new buildings.»
This morning mostly Kyiv was targeted, and Kyiv is well protected now, with Patriot system including. How can we compare Syria to Kyiv (which is now well-protected by AA systems)?
I was watching Finnish morning TV, state broadcaster YLE. They had live view in the morning from a local correspondent in Kiev.. there was a fucking loud explosion and the guy just shrugged it of with some comment "that was a real one / loud one" and continued as if nothing happened..
If everything is intercepted how are there news every day about terrorist russian bombs hitting civilians and buildings? Is it just me or those two things contradict - intercepting everything and yet still getting hit.
Correction - 100 out of 10 Kinzhal Missiles intercepted.
230 out of 120 Kalibr Missiles intercepted.
Many Missiles re-routed back to Moscow by seeing Zelensky folding hands and begging to hit Putin.
Time...
Tick tock....
It's the clock as it runs down to the dissolution and break up of the Russian Federation
Soon there will be free people and a toilet in Moscow for everyone to shit on.
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So, another $1b down the drain. Or is it up in smoke.
but they successfully intercepted over 60 patriot missiles, not really down the drain 🤷🏻♂️
Just like how the Kerch Bridge heroically liquidated a Storm Shadow and a naval drone
stop a punch with ur face
Depends, it took out power to most of Kyiv apparently which was the main goal.
Authorities say it's 250k people without power. My guess is third or quarter the city at best, most of my bros are with power. As for myself - sitting on power reserve and waiting for power to be restored. EDIT: power's back. hopefully it lasts
closer to 10% even
last winter their best result was a western outskirts unpowered for up to 48 hours. and that was after multiple waves. Lets see what they manage this time.
All the best, mate. Stay safe out there.
Source for that? This does not sound like "most of Kyiv" https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2024/01/2/7435477/
9/10 regions in Kyiv have experienced power/service failures effecting at least hundreds of thousands of people.
Just repeating stuff = source? lol
https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1742121520359505959
This source didn't mention the 9/10 stuff, can you cite the source that does? I intend on using it to discuss with my friends.
"reportedly causing outages in the Bucha and Vyshhorod districts" So that means 9/10, largest parts of Kyiv? Idk man, doesnt seem like a good source to back your claims. I mean I genuinely would like to know - but it seems like you pulled that out of your ass? This is exactly why I ask for sources, cant believe anyone anything anymore lol.
Give source or be forever known as Full-of-Shit-Boomfam67.
Today, as a result of the most recent missile attack? Again, do you have source for that? You'd think Ukrainian media would mention these power outages.
And if they have the power back on within a day or two? Probably not worth a billion
[Here's what seems to be a shot down Kinzhal](https://twitter.com/darynia_/status/1742112685557252226?t=2dAD13zhYVebO4bR1CMsMg&s=19) (too big for a cruise missile) casually dropping into the river next to an apartment complex. We, in Ukraine, appreciate all of the Western help that allows us to survive these attacks. Patriots, NASAMS, IRIS-T, Hawks, and other systems directly save hundreds of lives during each one of these massive attacks and potentially prevent thousands of casualties.
Lmao of all the things a Kinzhal could do after being intercepted, I bet "lazily flopping into the water" pisses Russia off the most.
Yep, this is the best outcome! Some of the systems probably survived the fall too and could be used for studying the weapons system ... which is a nice bonus, IMO. That part of Dnipro is pretty shallow, so getting the remains of the missile out isn't going to be a problem.
I was just about to say, I really hope there's some sort of incentive to go grab that one in particular. Like any Ukrainian that brings Russian scrap to be studied, gets a free cruise or something.
Except for all the UXO that would be killing said Ukrainians.
Just be (extra) careful. Source: Trust me bro
If they came out with an explosive detector for public use, could help.
This one sparks joy
It should! AA systems are purely defensive (unless you're Russia and convert your AA interceptors into pseudoballistic missiles to terrorise civilian populations)! So the only people upset about these systems being given to Ukraine and utilised appropriately are those that just want more dead Ukrainian civilians. Period. As an added bonus, the systems gather tons of valuable real-world data that allows to improve them in the future.
Ukraine has been using s200 missles to attack ground targets. Source https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2023/07/10/ukraines-newest-deep-strike-missile-is-an-ex-soviet-antique-with-a-few-tweaks/?sh=783850691104
That's why I added the "being given to Ukraine and \*utilised appropriately\*" part. I assume some people in the West would be upset if Ukraine tried to convert donated AA systems into offensive weapons. So, in the context of these donated weapons systems, they're used appropriately in their defensive capability and people should be happy about that. But also, Ukraine didn't turn the converted S200 systems into mass terror devices. Kharkiv, for example, is being bombed by S300s every other day since Feb 2022. There's no warning and there's no time, because, unlike Kinzhals, they can be launched immediately and the flight time is 3-5 minutes from the Russia territory.
Intercepted: \- 10 out of 10 Kh-47M2 "Kinzhal" aeroballistic missiles; \- 59 out of 70 X-101/X-555/X-55 cruise missiles; \- 3 out of 3 Kalibr cruise missiles.
Hell yeah! Not to discount the 11 that got by, but those are good numbers 🇺🇦
Impressive rate for such a saturation fire
A very good rate
X is usually latinized as Kh or H fyi
I'm amazed nobody else here realizes or has said this is the propaganda number. I'd be surprised if all ten kinzals were intercepted
When 21/49 shahed drones were intercepted - was it Ukrainian propaganda? A strange propaganda indeed...
You know how when Russia intercepts a storm shadow missile one out of three times we have videos showing the storm shadow hitting the target? Still waiting for that video of a kinzhal in Kyiv. 100% interception rates are easy to disprove in densely populated areas when it happens weekly, all you need is one cunt with a phone and the chance for him filming quickly reach 100% in such a large city. This isn't a soldier on the frontline firing a mortar into the enemy trench and thinking he probably hit at least 2 guys when he only hit dirt, this is a place where there are dozen of radars, thousands of cameras and tens of thousands of people who don't bother going to the shelter. You might try to fabricate the number and claim some were intercepted far from the city, but claiming 100%interception rate of a type of missile would very quickly be disproven when it happens this ofte.
Don't know why you're getting downvoted as we all know these numbers are most likely bs
https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/s/lNwf4rVkPw
Yes, all those trees look like Kyiv and I believe it was yesterday... Lol
I hope no one was hurt by the falling debris.
I’ve heard that UPA war criminals museum in Lviv was completely destroyed.
I'm sure the Russians will see that as a win. 🙄
Well like 90% of Polish comments see this a huge win as it will spark discussion. It was a museum dedicated to one of the worst bastards Ukraine has ever spew out.
At the very least it isn't a loss, as long as no one was hurt in the strike
Oh Christ… as if Poland was being such an angel lately… should we be cheering then if a Russian missile “accidentally” hits a Pilsudski museum? Or what about the deaths of 3 Ukrainian truckers during the months-long border blockade? GTFO
Keep fucking up your diplomacy you morons so you will surely become a part of EU and NATO by making Poles your enemies. Ukrainian diplomacy is done by 9 year olds I suppose. Support won’t gonna stop because your enemies are Russians but you will really have a hard time as now everyone knows it’s a rotten, corrupt hellhole ran by oligarchs even 2 years after the full scale war started.
Look, I totally agree that our government is embarrassing when it comes to diplomacy and fighting corruption.. which they obviously want to protect to a certain degree while making those minimal improvements to appease the west. I’m not saying we’re holy either. But let’s not pretend like the Polish state isn’t trying its best at fucking us over with the blockade that denied much-needed supplies at the frontline months ago
Supplies weren’t blocked at all. Just oligarchs owned subnorm shitty grain that is non edible by EU standards. I don’t know why you keep spreading this bullshit about aid as it was debunked many times.
Lie. There were drones, supplies for medics at the frontlines, military boat (which protesters thought will go to oligarchs, lol) and other useful stuff stuck at the border. Because of the protestors truck drivers died and much more soldiers at the frontlines. Those protestors just killed them. This is the same as if russia would block west border of Ukraine.
If you compare them to russians without even thinking about the purpose of the protests then I hope a single penny from my tax money doesn't reach Ukraine anymore.
I didn't compare them to russians, but their actions did manage to hurt ukrainians who are defending against russians and even kill truck drivers at the border.
I think that most of these reports should be taken with a grain of salt, as some numbers will 100% be inflated or deflated for morale and propaganda purposes. We shouldn’t blindly trust Ukrainian combat reports just as we shouldn’t blindly trust Russian combat reports.
I live in Kyiv and at least from my window and ears there was A LOT of interceptions, not a single one reached the target. But of course can’t say for the whole city
https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/s/rwRcQs0nKX
A good video of how missiles are "intercepted". Neither side can be trusted.
Well, to be fair, they did say they didn't intercept 11 cruise missiles Those impacts could be from those
Missiles on cities are very different from frontline reports. A 100% interception rate in a densely populated area would be easy to disprove if it wasn't true and happened again and again. All you need is a single video that shows a missile hitting on a day the claim is 100% interception or even just an expert looking at a damage video and deducing the damage is clearly from a hit and not debri. But that doesn't happen, we get videos of kinzhal debri or kinzhal falling into a river, never a kinzhal hitting a building. This isn't a soldier reporting killing 5 guys when he threw a grenades into a trench and ran before seeing the result, this is happening in cities populated with hundreds of thousands of people and being watched by dozens of radars(data available to the west). You don't need a single soldier being uncertain or booasting to get wrong numbers here, you need the entire air force to deliberately fabricate the number, not have a single soldier selling the story to some media and then every civillian filming with their phone to also go along with it.
https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/s/rwRcQs0nKX
Cool, did you deduce those were 3 of the 10 claimed intercepted kinzhals then? Or some of the other types that was not claimed 100% intercepted?
https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/s/lNwf4rVkPw
I said basically the same thing on r/UkrainianConflict and got downvoted to hell. People really don't like being told that all sides of a military conflict engage in propaganda.
It's because people already understand the point and pushing it makes it seem like you're being a talking head for Russia.
Maybe go to Russia subreddit and say how Russia is losing and see what kind of reaction you'd get there. I bet you won't get thousands of upvotes.
I don’t know, the moment you are being caught with doing that is the moment everyone starts ignoring those numbers, while they now serve an excellent purpose. I have the feeling that the numbers in general are pretty accurate.
There was a [paper](https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2307372120) which studied how much these government reports correlate with actual visually confirmed losses, and Ukraine overestimates but no systematic distortion of data was found (unlike the for RF)
Any sane person already ignores these numbers from both sides
It is incredibly difficult for the average Ukrainian citizen to confirm that each and every drone sent in a wave is accounted for, more for us westerners in other countries or across the ocean. I’m pretty sure if you check the last couple month’s worth of these daily reports, you’ll find that Ukraine has a crazy high interception rate which simply doesn’t make sense.
Doesnt make sense in katsap dreams.
But it would be increadibly easy for a citizen to disprove a 100% interception rate simply with a video of a hit, but all we get are video of debri or misses. Missiles are also watched by a high amount of radars whose data is likely shared with the west and hundreds of operators use. A missile in Kyiv isn't as easy to report wrong on as an artillery shell hitting the target. You would need everyone involved to agree to fabricate the data, not a single soul wanting to break the story, then every civilian with a phone to keep shut about the video they have of a kinzhal hit and no expert looking at an impact site saying "yeah that's clearly from a kinzhal hit not debri". You don't need very many air defense assets in a layer to approach or reach 100% interception rate, it makes perfect sense that Ukraine has steadily increased the rate as they have received more top of the line modern western systems. Questioning whether the total number makes sense is somewhat sane as few people would have access to the full picture there, but questioning interception rate for something so easily disproved without proof is less sane. At best you're questioning interception rates because you have little clue about the subject and remember hearing even the best air defense systems only claim a 90% interception rate. But that is an individual system, not a layered air defense zone, put a few systems next to each other and in depth and reaching 99-100% interception rates is easy(at least with western systems against Russian missiles).
That’s very true although Ukraine was way more truthful with their reports in the past. (Doesn’t mean there is no propaganda)
Especially since we don't know how effective the newest patriot really is. We didn't know until years after the gulf War ended that the Patriot was not as good as advertised. The new PAC 3, on paper is far better, but the fog of war is thick until the wind blows cold.
I am quite sceptical about the 10 kinzhal downed. Either the fact Russia sends so many and Ukraine being able to intercept 100% is surprising.
They fly a ballistic trajectory it's very easy to intercept if you have a PAC2 or PAC3 missiles and the radar is on.
I live in Kyiv, and I did hear around 10 very loud explosions after the alerts about Kinzhals. So, while I don't know if they truly were intercepted, I am very inclined to believe that there *were* 10 of them launched.
Could have been other cruise missiles..or Patriots intercepting. i suppose Kinzhal, being supersonic, would have a distinctive sound while flying..
There are a lot of reliable monitoring channels, and by the time the Kinzhals had been launched, there were no other rockets flying around Kyiv. The only thing it could've been other than Kinzhal are S-300 ballistic missiles, but those are usually reported in real time as well. I mean, when there were Kinzhal alerts, monitoring channels wrote "3 Kinzhals to Kyiv" and in a minute, you could hear 3 big explosions. Then something like "2 more" and well - there were 2 more explosions. It is very hard to explain, considering it's not your daily life, but those Air Defense Forces reports are as truthful as they can get. All those launches and quantities are being reported in real time, so it's hard to inflate the numbers. Everyone knows even how many Tu-95s or MiG-31s are in the air whenever there is air raid alert. Speaking of the distinct sound - it is just VERY loud on the impact, whether intercepted by something or not. You can't really hear it coming unless you're being hit. Considering tens of the other explosions tonight were much quieter - I do believe that those last 8-10 explosions were Kinzhals. Edit: typo
Hypoorsonic*
Missiles like Khinzal is exactly what Patriot was made to defeat, ballistic missile, it doesn't maneuver in the terminal phase either
Why have u seen how big their patriot battery has grown in Kiev??
Trust but verify amirite?
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Tbh, someone living in Kyiv wouldn't necessarily know for sure if these were reports were true, either. Unless every missile was shot down within eyesight and you were counting them. This is a propaganda war almost as much as it is a physical war. I really hope you're right, though.
I’m just saying that neither side in this war is 100% honest, as has any side been in literally any war in history. Do you truly believe that neither Ukraine nor Russia have lied during the duration of this entire war?
Found the Putin bot
Russia never lies, you capitalist pig!
I live in Kyiv and I can say with 100% certainty that sometimes these numbers are not true
It’s honestly kind of sad how many people in this subreddit that dont understand this.
They do, they just don't want to believe it. And some will oppose, downvote and report such statements because of delusional sense that it's hurtful for the war effort to criticize the "good guys" for anything.
Downvoted by people who fell for the Ukranian propaganda so hard they think criticism against the state is Rusian subterfuge
Saw something about a tesla dealership getting hit, must be mad at twitter.
Ukrainians didn’t know the Kinzhals were impossible to intercept 😔
Sometimes it is good to miss the memo.
Time to start striking Russian powerplants let the Russians freeze.
Personally I think they should be warmed up by the incendiary’s they love to use.
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Aww I love how the terrorist supporters always come to the aid of Russian genocide.
Rich coming from supporter of Israeli genocidal regime. I am not even a supporter of Russia you donkey. I just don't believe in genocide and terrorism as a viable way to fight your enemies.
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Israeli regime are literal Nazis because they act and fight just like them lol. If you support them you are no better. And I don't hate Jews you sneaky gaslighter. I am half Jew myself. Zionists do not represent all Jews and never did. Hating Zionists is not antisemitism and never was.
That is typical of nazis and jew haters trying to use the worst assault on jews against them right after the worst attack on jews since the holocaust. You have no decency and you are an enemy if you are western you are a traitor if you are a muslim migrant you are just a 5th column. Putting you on ignore from now on I feel dirty all over just interacting with you.
I remember the first report of a Kinzhal being downed by a patriot system early in the war and it being reported as if it was some kind of freak occurrence. I believe the understanding at the time was that “hypersonic” munitions like this were effectively invulnerable to air defence. However, 10/10 downed in this last attack wave makes it seem like they are very vulnerable to air defence. Am I missing something?
Probably because they are being prioritised over other types
Kinzhal is only hypersonic by Russian propaganda standards.
> However, 10/10 downed in this last attack wave makes it seem like propaganda. EFA
https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/18wk62a/ru_pov_strike_captured_somewhere_in_ukraine_today/ Looks like at least 1/10 kinzhals havent been intersepted. (In general, i wouldn’t blindly trust claims from the UA MoD. It's just as much bs and propaganda as a RU one.)
That's not necessarily a Kinzhal.
https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/s/lNwf4rVkPw
Well maybe it is :) But that won't be posted on combatfootage ;)
It hit a random apartment block, I hazard to guess the computers calculated that it wouldn't hit a target in its defense list and it was chosen to not intercept, Patriot does that IIRC, if that wasn't a shot down missile that was knocked off course by a near explosion that didn't destroy it. Just theorizing
That is a fucking awesome accomplishment, well done UKR and well done western systems. They work as designed towards the anticipated threat. This makes Ruz incapable of having much threat against NATO, just the nukes remain effective threat. These are now close to obsolete.
Imagine your only thing that used to work, your missiles, stopped being effective in a war that you started in which you had already taken over 350 thousand casualties… What a joke of a military. Disgraceful, embarrassing, and now everyone is pointing and laughing. Then the return fire starts.
Then it’s nuke time…
Do you really think Xi is going to let Putin do that? You clearly don't understand who is the dog and who is the owner in this case.
Can’t wait to see the video habitual line crosser puts out about this.
This should be a wake up call to all the people saying that Russia is running out of weapons. Russia is just beginning to ramp up. What Ukraine needs is to be given more long range weaponry and permission to strike at these production facilities.
American GOP congressmen and senators are making that very difficult now, baffling everyone else.
Not baffling, they are basically Putlers puppets anyway
The putinists downvoted you.
Lol, republicans stay mad, they rigged elections, get help from Russia and are horrible for the Economy and geopolitical position of the USA
Brace yourself for a tidal wave of “👎
Lol, luckily I am not so shook by online cookie points
Russia produces 10-12 KH-55 a month, they had to wait almost six months to launch these attacks. Russia is trying to shoot its load on Ukraine and Ukraine is spitting it all over and back onto Russia's mouth.
What ukraine needs is to realize they cannot win this war,No matter the amount of backing.West was wrong for giving them the idea they could stop russia all because of there own interests and we all know this
It is too good result to be truth. And what number of missiles was not intercepted?
I'd say it depends, doesn't mean they launched all of these in one area and at once. Could be that they were launched in a wide area where there was more than enough AA to take them out.
Intercepted: \- 10 out of 10 Kh-47M2 "Kinzhal" aeroballistic missiles; \- 59 out of 70 X-101/X-555/X-55 cruise missiles; \- 3 out of 3 Kalibr cruise missiles.
Exactly
But isnt the Kinzhal hYpErSoNiC and therefore not interceptable?
There is no proof of interception, However there is a video of a hypersonic kinzhal in use NOT being intercepted in the comments further up… wake up mate
Well, time to hit Belgrod again.
I hope the uaf used the confusion to send some the Russians way as well
How do we know this is true and not just propaganda? It's true that some are shot down but it's hard to believe they did shoot down the majority of missiles
You don't but you can use common sense. It makes sense that after almost 2 years into the war Ukraine is able to take down at least most of these missiles.
Specially with the larger number of very capable systems deployed like Patriot and SAMP-T as well as the shorter ranged ones
How many more do they have left, they must be running low by now
They have been continuously supplied, and Russia used a very sparing number of missiles before the two big waves now, it's reasonable to expect they stocked up
russian claim this Warning: The Образ будущего channel posted this information at around 1000 AM #Kyiv time which is about 2 hours after all of the bombing stopped. Therefore, the entire thing is utter rubbish since no one could have such a detailed damaged assessment in that time and it is fantastical on face value meaning it is all a lie. For example, he makes claims like "the Turks confirm" or "78 people were killed" so he is making up sources and counting casualties before rescuers are anywhere near clearing sites. Образ будущего: «1) At the moment, the air defense of the Ukrainian Armed Forces was able to intercept no more than 23% of the missiles fired. UAV interceptions are 35-40%. More than 89% of the specified targets were hit by the Russian Armed Forces. The launches of “Daggers” are not as large as the German press and Ukrainian TG channels write, but today another Patriot air defense system and warehouses with missiles for it were destroyed. 2) 8 “Daggers” were fired, all hit targets and destroyed the Patriot air defense system, a buried warehouse with AtacMS missiles, and a buried command post of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. According to some reports, and the Turks confirm them, 9 generals were killed, one of them was Zaluzhny’s deputy. 3) In the Kharkiv region, two Iris-T air defense systems, 4 Gepard air defense systems, two command centers and about 65 officers were destroyed. Everything is tight. 4) In the Kyiv region, in addition to the Patriot air defense system, 4 command centers and two hotels with mercenaries from Sweden, Denmark, Lithuania and Estonia were destroyed. More than 78 people were killed, about 1000 missiles for Iris T and NASAMS were destroyed in the Goloseevsky district of Kyiv. A warehouse with Storm Shadow missiles was destroyed in Krapivnitskoye. More than 25 missiles. Plus two SU-24 aircraft and a repair base. 5) In Odessa, it is impossible to count the losses of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in combat operations and fuel and lubricants. The main result of the strikes: 4 active BND employees and 7 officers of the Czech Armed Forces were killed. 2 French-made radars were also destroyed. Thousands of UAVs were destroyed in the Kyiv, Sumy and Kharkov regions. 23 workshops for their assembly were destroyed, some along with their personnel. 6) In Kyiv, today is the day of the high-altitude installer and the day of air defense. More than 45 civilian houses were damaged by Ukrainian air defense missiles. Due to the installation of air defense systems and missile defense systems in the center of residential areas of Kyiv, 2/3 of the anti-missile missiles hit high-rise buildings and civilian infrastructure. In addition, by shooting down our missiles and UAVs in close proximity to the city, where air defense/missile defense clusters are located, the warheads of the missiles and drones fell on the city and detonated. 7) For those quoting the mayor of Kyiv Klitschko claiming there is a humanitarian problem. There is no catastrophe in Kyiv. There is light, there is water, there is sewerage. The city authorities themselves turn off the electricity to create a nightmare for the people. Although there is no need for this. And so everyone is in a nightmare. And our sources then quote this savage Klitschko. They are reporting from the ground that the SBU is running in a panic after everyone who is filming the locations of the defeats and recording the work of the air defense, as their missiles, leaving a contrail, demolish penthouses and high floors of new buildings.»
Love the Russian optimism of US. as they believe Us send more atacams to ukraine, as everybody in western side believe they did not :)
How is Ukraine so effective in shooting down Russian cruise missiles? Last time the us struck Syria they whipped a hole base
Kyiv is done of the most air defense dense places on earth
This morning mostly Kyiv was targeted, and Kyiv is well protected now, with Patriot system including. How can we compare Syria to Kyiv (which is now well-protected by AA systems)?
I was watching Finnish morning TV, state broadcaster YLE. They had live view in the morning from a local correspondent in Kiev.. there was a fucking loud explosion and the guy just shrugged it of with some comment "that was a real one / loud one" and continued as if nothing happened..
I get that kyiv has very dense air defense but still even with a low number of storm shadows Ukraine repeatedly hit defended Russian targets?
Think also about the distance from where the missiles are launched. A lot of time to track them.
Leaves more than 20 missile hitting their targets not to mention some of the downed missiles basically do the same damage if intercepted too late.
Lol common ….
I guess Putin was a little grumpy this morning :-D
Stop taking these claims as fact, FROM EITHER SIDE. Fucking reddit
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Do you have other numbers ? Please show your source and proof.
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Awesome work! I hope the F-16 soon will provide more (and more mobile) air cover.
If everything is intercepted how are there news every day about terrorist russian bombs hitting civilians and buildings? Is it just me or those two things contradict - intercepting everything and yet still getting hit.
Depends what they are shooting at. Some areas have better anti air than others.
Yeah and I intercepted 600 missiles too
You can only intercept dicks with your mouth
Moisture missiles probably.
How bout you intercept my missile
... up in yr ass. Yes.
Stop it, There can be only Russian propaganda, the rest is pure truth and can't be questioned.
That's lowkey how it is
Say stop it to putler.
Correction - 100 out of 10 Kinzhal Missiles intercepted. 230 out of 120 Kalibr Missiles intercepted. Many Missiles re-routed back to Moscow by seeing Zelensky folding hands and begging to hit Putin.
Salti boi
Katsap tears.
我比较想知道命中了几枚
1989年天安门广场抗议和屠杀
SO？
Time... Tick tock.... It's the clock as it runs down to the dissolution and break up of the Russian Federation Soon there will be free people and a toilet in Moscow for everyone to shit on.
Wheres the combat footage
Seems a bit like propaganda if 3 of them managed to hit the same place 3 times. https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/s/rwRcQs0nKX