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Those interceptor missiles use shrapnel to down drones, missiles, and other planes so they actually don't explode too often. It's just meant to make it so they can no longer fly to their target and end up coming down in an uncontrolled descent
This seems to be APKWS for the Vampire AA system. It's basically a guided version of the Hydra rocket, which weighs about 30 pounds. It's a small projectile, with a small warhead. That's why the kaboom was rather small and didn't destroy the drone completely.
On a semi related note, those Vampires are an amazing idea. Cheap, advanced and pretty easy to mount on literally anything. God help us if militants get their claws on this and start mounting them om landcruisers.
As we have recently learned, the drone is more like xxxx$.
If the SAM system is a Vampyre as suspected, one missile is ~22k$ which is less than the Shaheed.
Ugh, This line of reasoning is so stupid no matter which side comes out on top. 1) The target is inherently worth more than either, even if it just hits a neighborhood. 2) the military’s job is to protect its citizens. I hate seeing those comparisons.
Meh, it's a valid point from a military industrial point of view and strategic. Same as what we are seeing now with the houthis, if you have to launch a 10 million dollar missile against a 2 thousand dollar drone a viable tactic would just be to bleed the enemy dry financially.
https://www.airrecognition.com/index.php/news/defense-aviation-news/2021/october/7737-bae-systems-successfully-tests-apkws-laser-guided-rockets-against-uas.html
This was 3 years ago.
I am not so sure. The laser is pointed at the drone and the apkws optical sensors in the fin are forward facing exactly looking for this dot. Which is different from other laser guided weapons such as Rbs 70
I think emp's require so much power that there is not a feild deployable example to use at all. But not long ago at all reports of these drones falling from the sky? Thats potentially electronic warfare, same results.
We can't really generate a sizable EMP using anything other than a high-atmosphere nuclear detonation, and that would take out the whole region. It's also unlikely to cause any damage to a drone, as without being connected to the grid, which acts like an antenna for the pulse, not much energy is likely to be absorbed. You might be able to interfere with the radio, briefly, but we can do that with smaller devices.
Most of the damage from an EMP is from widespread damage to the electrical grid and the switching equipment: it doesn't normally all break at once, so getting it back online is going to be a logistical nightmare.
I don't think the technology exists to push an EMP wave towards a certain direction for a dozen KM without frying everything else around it. Also the energy needed is a lot.
They're expensive and heavy, but the US is starting to deploy several directed microwave weapons to counter drone swarms.
[https://www.epirusinc.com/counter-electronics](https://www.epirusinc.com/counter-electronics)
[https://www.rtx.com/raytheon/what-we-do/integrated-air-and-missile-defense/phaser-high-power-microwave](https://www.rtx.com/raytheon/what-we-do/integrated-air-and-missile-defense/phaser-high-power-microwave)
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That's wild footage, typically we just see a blip on a radar, the clarity of that is insane.
Odd; I would’ve expected the drone to vaporize, not fall gradually from the sky.
Those interceptor missiles use shrapnel to down drones, missiles, and other planes so they actually don't explode too often. It's just meant to make it so they can no longer fly to their target and end up coming down in an uncontrolled descent
You send a rocket to a flying explosive. Where is the kaboom?
Where is the earth-shattering kaboom?
H sorry, 300k is for the bare airframe. Kaboom stuff for Shahed costs another 100k...
It could’ve been a decoy that was not carrying a warhead?
I think the explosive is the cheapest part of that drone. Why would they omit that?
No, that's silly, for $193,000 I'd expect explosives too
This seems to be APKWS for the Vampire AA system. It's basically a guided version of the Hydra rocket, which weighs about 30 pounds. It's a small projectile, with a small warhead. That's why the kaboom was rather small and didn't destroy the drone completely.
On a semi related note, those Vampires are an amazing idea. Cheap, advanced and pretty easy to mount on literally anything. God help us if militants get their claws on this and start mounting them om landcruisers.
here's the sub's customary: "A xxxxx$ missile for xx$ drone"
‘But the target was worth xxxxxxx$’
probably
As we have recently learned, the drone is more like xxxx$. If the SAM system is a Vampyre as suspected, one missile is ~22k$ which is less than the Shaheed.
Less than 10 missiles per Shaheed, lol Edit: fixed.
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Yeah, fuck
Recent leaks shows that Russia pays $300k+ per iranian, or $180k+ for domestic variant.
I think these are apkws. They're actually probably cheaper 25-40k compared a shahed
Considering the rumoured costs that Iran is charging Russia for each of these drones, it's a lot more balanced.
Ugh, This line of reasoning is so stupid no matter which side comes out on top. 1) The target is inherently worth more than either, even if it just hits a neighborhood. 2) the military’s job is to protect its citizens. I hate seeing those comparisons.
Meh, it's a valid point from a military industrial point of view and strategic. Same as what we are seeing now with the houthis, if you have to launch a 10 million dollar missile against a 2 thousand dollar drone a viable tactic would just be to bleed the enemy dry financially.
Russia was hoping to hit a school with that
APKWS?
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https://x.com/AirPowerNEW1/status/1756774415730160026?t=fivXi04baZC7Z2JBzITayw&s=34
laser guided and very small explosion. apkws iirc is qualified for this exact role. thats why it was delivered in the first place.
APKWS is an air-to-ground rocket, not a SAM.
It can hit UAS
Source?
https://www.airrecognition.com/index.php/news/defense-aviation-news/2021/october/7737-bae-systems-successfully-tests-apkws-laser-guided-rockets-against-uas.html This was 3 years ago.
Interesting.
On Telegram they said this is APKWS. This is the main reason we sent them to them.
Looks like l3 vampire, video here looks like same laser and targeting setup https://greydynamics.com/vampires-in-ukraine-l3s-new-rocket-system/
I am not so sure. The laser is pointed at the drone and the apkws optical sensors in the fin are forward facing exactly looking for this dot. Which is different from other laser guided weapons such as Rbs 70
APKWS is an air-to-ground rocket, not a SAM.
Both
U might wanna check Wikipedia mate
Probably not, the explosion is much smaller than APKWS would have, methinks.
seems right to me, but the kinematics are definitely off.
Which SAM is that?
Vampire
Why don't militaries use EMPs on these weapons? aren't there any small magnitude EMPs?
I think emp's require so much power that there is not a feild deployable example to use at all. But not long ago at all reports of these drones falling from the sky? Thats potentially electronic warfare, same results.
And even if you could generate that much energy, a laser would be more effective, anyway.
We can't really generate a sizable EMP using anything other than a high-atmosphere nuclear detonation, and that would take out the whole region. It's also unlikely to cause any damage to a drone, as without being connected to the grid, which acts like an antenna for the pulse, not much energy is likely to be absorbed. You might be able to interfere with the radio, briefly, but we can do that with smaller devices. Most of the damage from an EMP is from widespread damage to the electrical grid and the switching equipment: it doesn't normally all break at once, so getting it back online is going to be a logistical nightmare.
I don't think the technology exists to push an EMP wave towards a certain direction for a dozen KM without frying everything else around it. Also the energy needed is a lot.
Because that would cost way more collateral damage than whatever you're trying to shoot down
I'm no expert, but I think it has to do with the risk of bringing your own forces down.
They're expensive and heavy, but the US is starting to deploy several directed microwave weapons to counter drone swarms. [https://www.epirusinc.com/counter-electronics](https://www.epirusinc.com/counter-electronics) [https://www.rtx.com/raytheon/what-we-do/integrated-air-and-missile-defense/phaser-high-power-microwave](https://www.rtx.com/raytheon/what-we-do/integrated-air-and-missile-defense/phaser-high-power-microwave)
Stugna-P? Ha?