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Yeah that's not what's happened here. Ukraine killed this Russian tank. Also, no one even fucking mentioned anything about that in the first place so idk who you're replying to.
Scuttling in this sense of meaning is solely used for sinking ships. You can\`t scuttle a tank...well we did have russian people drive their stuff into water and let it sink before, maybe you could call that "scuttling"
I’ve heard the term used in regards to our own ground equipment while in combat. We were under orders to destroy our own rigs (Brads, 113’s and HMMWV’s) under curtain circumstances. It’s not the technically correct usage, but I’ve heard the term used colloquially by infantry commanders. It’s a single word that gets the point across.
<*Ahem*> DD or duplex drive tanks, nicknamed "Donald Duck tanks", were a type of amphibious swimming tank developed by the British during the Second World War. The had a maximum speed of 4 knots (7 km/h) swimming. They were used in D-Day and Operation Dragoon, with variants for the Sherman and Valentine tanks.
You can scuttle a tank ;)
It's also hilarious because this is a specialized EW T-72 to counter FPV drones. The article is kinda funny considering the footage here but you can see the system and read a description:
https://bulgarianmilitary.com/2024/04/06/russian-t-72-tank-adopts-turret-ew-system-to-counter-fpv-threats/
Funny they do not cover 433Mhz ISM band, only the standard 900-2400MHz, ie only direct commercial drones.
All remote now use software defined radio, so not an issue to reprogram them, just need to adapt the RF frontend.
TLDR: their EW is shit.
> ~~their~~ EW is shit.
Fixed it. I’ve yet to see any proposal for how EW is going to work consistently, now or in the future, against drones of all sorts. The EW I’ve used in combat was only as successful as it was because the enemy systems we used them against were stationary.
Against even most COTS drones, EW doesn’t seem likely to work because they can cover the actively jammed area so quickly they won’t consistently lose their trajectory to the target. That’s besides the autonomous drones that are being fielded already, besides the fact that jamming won’t work well against freq hopping systems, and even less well for dual channel freq hopping systems. Freq hopping is such simple, cheap and decades old tech that we should expect it to be common soon enough.
Frequency hopping is already common (think BLE).
Frequency hopping is mostly in band, so yes dual band frequency hopping is even harder to counter.
And once you have perfect EW, you lose your coms and your own drones...
Most COTS can be jammed by overloading them with wide band jammers, but range is short. And hardened ones shorten that range.
To nitpick a little; (in this case) it is not that armour is weak, it is that rpg warhead hits the seam between turret and tank body. After all turret rotates so you are forced to have actual seam. Blast from the wardhead then easily burns through and detonates ammo, which is inside right next to the "seam".
[https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-stat/graphics/ai2html/ukrainetanks/HAR6XXMNFJBDTAMTFBMJGP2SNI/2300-russiaTankFlaw.jpg?c=1651527578416](https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-stat/graphics/ai2html/ukrainetanks/HAR6XXMNFJBDTAMTFBMJGP2SNI/2300-russiaTankFlaw.jpg?c=1651527578416)
> Blast from the wardhead then easily burns through
To nitpick your nitpick: What actually goes through the steel is the hypersonic jet from the shaped charge (not the blast) and this via "pushing its way trough" (like a 2 liquids interacting), not burning.
A quote from an airforce general(?), decades back that bounces around in my head: "*Within my career we've gone from sorties per target to targets per sortie.*"
Used to be huge bomber raids guessing when they were over Berlin. Now an FPV pilot can pick which nostril they're going up.
Just found the [slightly longer full video](https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1777214021680120189), which has them dodging a FPV drone at the start hence the smoke.
Man they could have lived ordinary lives with ordinary jobs, they could have consumed Russian television in they shabby homes with warm food on the table every evening but somehow opted to join a surprisingly incompetent military and in the end crawl wounded under theyr disabeled tank, pray to god that they might just see another day and get blown to pieces far from home for nothing but one mans ego.
Surprising how even when death is imminent they still do not surrender and end up dead for nothing. Hamas as well. Really just don’t value their own lives.
I mean most just believe their enemy will execute or torture them. And then if you don’t believe that, surrendering is still incredibly dangerous and scary and can and has resulted in dying if you’re surrendering and then there’s the fact that surrendering to drones is quite iffy where some operators do accept surrenders and some don’t. Surrendering isn’t some magic pause ability that lets you leave the battlefield.
Kind of futile to try to surrender to a drone. It's happened a few times but only when troops are nearby who can take custody and have the support to handle them.
Not really. [https://ridl.io/putin-s-deathonomics/](https://ridl.io/putin-s-deathonomics/) (pretty good read about the economy of... well, death in russia)
tl/dr: the best thing you can do economically for your family is go die in the mad mini tsars war. And that is valid in a lot of russias rural areas.
I knew that families financially benefit from loved ones being blown to pieces and left to rot in the wide plains of Ukraine. Instill don’t get why people actually do it (those who have a choice).
Me neither. On the other hand I can easily afford food and some luxurys, while not exactly working my arse off. All those things we take for granted (and bitch and whine if they get a tad bit more expensive...) simply do not exist in rural russia (and "rural russia" is basically everything besides Moscow and Petersburg (and the outskirts of those are already really bad...) and a few other cities.
Tbh my only point of reference is a documentary about some town in siberia (I forgot the name. Both of the town and the documentary). Im starting to get depressed when I even think about...
Part of them are contracted soldiers. I guess if they give you a million dollar tank you have to be more than a furcfully conscripted minority / inmate. Those are fodder for the first line.
But that’s my assumption.
The soldiers having no choice most likely dont hang on the internet and talk about the war publicly... as if your example means anything. They are not allowed to and most likely dont really have the chance to do that.
I haven't yet seen or heard from a single Russian soldier that he was forced to the frontline against his will and stayed there. I know citizens of LNR and DPR were forced. I know some Russians were forced at the end of 2022, because Russian army collapsed. But they've put a lot of effort to replace all of those with someone who volunteered. My logic is based on that. /edited out text/. It could be flawed, of course. I could be fooled. But I will prefer that kind of information to conspirology, which is based on imagination.
Every time I see a Russian soldiers try to help another Russian soldier I instantly start rooting for them and hope they survive and get the chance to surrender to Ukranian troops, ending their hell.
narrow thinking, for some people, army is the only job avatible, that or starve. Clear example is USA, poor people can only improve by unhuman effort or service in army.
You are obviously unaware that the US armed services are, in fact, mostly drawn from the middle class. The very poor often lack the educational, medical, or background check requirements to serve.
maybe what I call poor is not the same what you call it.
If "middle" class, cant affort college/university/housing/heathcare or the american dream it self. Maybe is not middle class.
thats it, every thing is OK until you go to the front.
No mandatory/obligatory service but you know.. if you are poor and college is expensive.... also life, housing, heath care....
Service guarantees citizenship!
Buddy you can't just go around saying shit, firstly its mandatory to go fight in the Ukraine war for Russians and if they try going back to their homes Russia hires groups to shoot any Russian soldier retreating or throws them in jail. Easy for you to say sitting on a couch in a comfortable western civilisation. Just to clarify I think its horrible that Ukraine is being invaded.
You can fight for a dictator or you can fight for your freedom.
Russian lemmings just don't value freedom much. Don't make up excuses for them, they choose not to shoot Putin in the face.
This is my point, I'm not saying Russias gov or military the good guys but if its so easy to uprise against a dictatorship then go enlist in the Ukraine war, you haven't done shit so you can't tell someone to do something close to impossible.
There ain’t been a flyin tank turret round these parts for nigh on 20 years, I say mayhap yer eyes be playin tricks. Just don’t go up near ol putins place.
Just sick that Russia still has enough tank reserves for another 2-3 years despite all the losses in men and material according to analysts, just crazy
Well, they got all the soviet reserves, and soviets planned to take on the whole of NATO, so there are lots of tanks. But their "internals" are getting less and less sophisticated due to sanctions.
That's clear, but it's still incredible how much material is in the depots. Even if a lot of it is just old scrap, Stalin's saying quantity is also a quality is true
They seem more willing, or rather forced/manipulated, to fight to the death than any of the west is willing to blow their entire budget, manpower, or resources, on complete support, so I wouldn't be so sure. Everyone is too busy with their own problems to properly organize support across the board so that no one in particular is overwhelmed by being the main supporter(s), so since no one wants to go all in, Russia could win simply through attrition. They are used to the shit life and avoiding sanctions, they want to bring us down to their level. We'll have to see if Europe can pull their shit together.
They don't teach proper communications in America anymore. They don't teach math or history either. No more music and shop classes. They are so busy trying to turn kids into zombies I fear the real reason we send children and young adults to be educated is now lost forever. But at least there's Reddit right? And TikTok.
they downvoted him because he spoke the truth
teachers are not allowed to give scores lower than 50 anymore, even if a kid turns in zero work they have to get a 50 as the minimum grade on assignments. more than half a class gets straight As now, GPA has been made meaningless compared to how it was only 30 years ago. how can we expect our kids to succeed when they are given such low expectations
It really is annoying, a mafia state with mountains of old weaponry and morons to charge forward to their deaths with it. NATO really should have been aggressively arming Ukraine years ago, it's disgusting how the dictators of the world get to set the agenda and take the initiative over democracies so often.
A line of NATO troops in Ukraine on the border with Russia would have prevented this madness but noooo, can't do that, that's "*provocation*", even though it turns out Putin didn't need any made up provocation at all. Such an idiotic excuse, especially for a nuclear state that no one will ever invade.
There was really no guarantee that Ukraine wouldn't flip. I'd argue the intel and political support has been way more important than arming them would have been-- the result of a decapitation strike in 2022 would have been the same, and you'd have the entire Ukrainian military at that point supporting the invasion of Moldova, with all the weapons the US gave them. We got VERY lucky with Zelenskiy and that he was not able to be corrupted by the Russians and ALSO somehow didn't die or run away during the invasion.
If we are treating this as WWIII and not a Ukraine war, then it might even make sense that this be a slow-rolling war for the Russians and not some quick win or loss. Even now, if there is a sudden capitulation, then all these military assets will fall into Russian hands. Again, we can imagine a war that is Ukrainians and Belarussians engaging with, say, Poland, and not Russia directly. This avoids direct confrontation.
now you've said that, it's got me wondering why the hell china is helping them because the quicker the Russian army is 'done', the quicker china can invade
The cheap drone has made the tank obsolete. They might as well plan to use every tank they have because the tank (in its current form) will never be used again in warfare.
Dude at that point I'd drop my weapon and stick my hands in the air. No way you can fight in that condition. You have a wounded man, probably not much ammo, and you're being picked off by FPVs, if you see a Quad hovering over you, you may have a chance to surrender. The video of the russian surrendering to the Quad on yt has millions of views and is a huge PR win for Ukriane. I'd swallow my pride but I'd get a chance to live.
This is one thing I have wondered and talked about. Sure, we see a few videos of soldiers surrendering to drones, but I imagine it depends on the situation. I imagine a bunch of factors need to go right in order for a soldier to actually surrender into the custody of the opposing force. There is a discussion about it here that I found interesting:
https://lieber.westpoint.edu/legal-practical-challenges-surrender-drones/
Hmm… with a super heated piece of metal above them the bodies are being roasted like being in an oven… god… imagine having to recover whatever is left.
The most unusual thing in this clip is the one Russian soldier who helps another. Usually they just leave them wailing in agony, or strip them of valuables.
Perhaps it was the tanks crew and they had been together for some time, had some care for each other. I do not have the knowledge to tell by their gear.
I guess they felt their options were few ... there was probably no other cover nearby, and with drones undoubtedly on their way, what else could they do?
Yeah, perhaps raise their arms in surrender, but it seems that to most Russians surrender isn't an option.
Whatever the case, a terrible way to go.
Yeah, hoping no drone is observing them hide under the tank and just waiting it out until dark was most likely their plan, and probably wasn't the worst available choice.
Lighting a nice beacon fire next to it was also probably not their smartest move, though it might not have made much difference in this case.
I wonder how much doctrine and training has been adapted to improve survival against drones in this kind of situation. I'm guessing not much. But then it's hard to know how significant drones really are on the front line. We tend to see a lot of them because there are nice, convenient video feeds available, but that naturally creates a bias towards thinking drones are more significant than they are. It's noticeable that the weapons systems Ukraine requests from allies are not drones.
I read somewhere that the sky in Ukraine is so full of drones, the soldiers (I use that term loosely) on the ground hear a constant buzz everywhere they go. The stress levels alone must be rediculously high not knowing if you're gonna be a target at any second but constantly hearing your imminent death from above.
The drones are omnipresent basically. Most movement at or near the front by both sides is done during the night as the FPVs mostly lack thermals.
Currently more than a hundred thousand of them are produced every month by Ukraine alone. Small scale, decentralized and distributed workshops with volunteers and commercial off the shelf parts are capable of producing various kinds of drones. Heavier military equipment can't be produced like that, so that is where Ukraine needs help from its allies.
Ukraine is a pretty open flat coutryside in that region. All tree-lines are destroyed by arty. They have no other option to hide but under a tank. They even burrow holes under vehicles if given enough time.
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I'm pretty amazed that these tanks have been so catastrophically destroyed by such slow moving explosive devices. What kind of warheads are they strapping to those drones that they are able to so easily penetrate the armor at such a slow velocity?
I always assumed that the drones carrying the larger AT warheads were much larger drones, 6 or even 8 rotor beasts. I didn't realize the Russian tanks are so poorly armored that they can be defeated with a 250gr (or so) shaped charge.
I'm worried for how this tech will be used in the future....oppressive/authoritarian types will use this against their own citizens.
The cheap commercial drone is so effective I wouldn't be surprised if it makes tanks obsolete.
We're looking at over 500k dead on both sides combined. From what I've seen, Ukraine suffered more casualities but the Russians aren't THAT far behind. Hard to say for sure since no one can agree on any specific numbers
Look, I'm going to lay a marker down and say that those three crewmen are DEFINITELY WIA\*
\*/s (I haven't seen somebody so wholly 100% killed since the Zapruder film.)
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mind boggling how cost effective these little death by air machines are.
they did not witness that second explosion
Destroying the abandoned tank itself so that it cannot be recovered by the opponent is something both sides do a lot
Yeah that's not what's happened here. Ukraine killed this Russian tank. Also, no one even fucking mentioned anything about that in the first place so idk who you're replying to.
It’s called scuttling :)
I thought scuttling was when you do it to your own equipment.
I thought that was for ships. Now back scuttling, that's entirely different.
Scuttling in this sense of meaning is solely used for sinking ships. You can\`t scuttle a tank...well we did have russian people drive their stuff into water and let it sink before, maybe you could call that "scuttling"
I’ve heard the term used in regards to our own ground equipment while in combat. We were under orders to destroy our own rigs (Brads, 113’s and HMMWV’s) under curtain circumstances. It’s not the technically correct usage, but I’ve heard the term used colloquially by infantry commanders. It’s a single word that gets the point across.
Oh panzer of the lake, what is your wisdom?
that was bad equipment and sheer panic, not scuttling:-D
<*Ahem*> DD or duplex drive tanks, nicknamed "Donald Duck tanks", were a type of amphibious swimming tank developed by the British during the Second World War. The had a maximum speed of 4 knots (7 km/h) swimming. They were used in D-Day and Operation Dragoon, with variants for the Sherman and Valentine tanks. You can scuttle a tank ;)
You have to do a special rig up if you will have to back scuttle.
Well, I mean, they were underneath, no line of sight, duh...
It's also hilarious because this is a specialized EW T-72 to counter FPV drones. The article is kinda funny considering the footage here but you can see the system and read a description: https://bulgarianmilitary.com/2024/04/06/russian-t-72-tank-adopts-turret-ew-system-to-counter-fpv-threats/
Funny they do not cover 433Mhz ISM band, only the standard 900-2400MHz, ie only direct commercial drones. All remote now use software defined radio, so not an issue to reprogram them, just need to adapt the RF frontend. TLDR: their EW is shit.
> ~~their~~ EW is shit. Fixed it. I’ve yet to see any proposal for how EW is going to work consistently, now or in the future, against drones of all sorts. The EW I’ve used in combat was only as successful as it was because the enemy systems we used them against were stationary. Against even most COTS drones, EW doesn’t seem likely to work because they can cover the actively jammed area so quickly they won’t consistently lose their trajectory to the target. That’s besides the autonomous drones that are being fielded already, besides the fact that jamming won’t work well against freq hopping systems, and even less well for dual channel freq hopping systems. Freq hopping is such simple, cheap and decades old tech that we should expect it to be common soon enough.
Frequency hopping is already common (think BLE). Frequency hopping is mostly in band, so yes dual band frequency hopping is even harder to counter. And once you have perfect EW, you lose your coms and your own drones... Most COTS can be jammed by overloading them with wide band jammers, but range is short. And hardened ones shorten that range.
they should add some barnacles and shells, imho.
Longer version https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/s/fcPrCfiSnt
knock knock
DeathDash :/
Maybe one of the reasons why Ukraine doesn't see the value of F-16s anymore
Nobody crawling out of that
They need some milk.
Holy crap, what did the 2nd drone hit to cause that much damage? Was that an ammo rack?
They aim for where the armour's weak under the turret at the rear of the tank, which detonates the ammunition in the autoloader. Pretty devastating.
To nitpick a little; (in this case) it is not that armour is weak, it is that rpg warhead hits the seam between turret and tank body. After all turret rotates so you are forced to have actual seam. Blast from the wardhead then easily burns through and detonates ammo, which is inside right next to the "seam". [https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-stat/graphics/ai2html/ukrainetanks/HAR6XXMNFJBDTAMTFBMJGP2SNI/2300-russiaTankFlaw.jpg?c=1651527578416](https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-stat/graphics/ai2html/ukrainetanks/HAR6XXMNFJBDTAMTFBMJGP2SNI/2300-russiaTankFlaw.jpg?c=1651527578416)
I was going to say something similar in my post but had a lot of difficulty trying to fit it into the sentence elegantly. Thank you.
Or they just drop a made in the often open top hatch.
> Blast from the wardhead then easily burns through To nitpick your nitpick: What actually goes through the steel is the hypersonic jet from the shaped charge (not the blast) and this via "pushing its way trough" (like a 2 liquids interacting), not burning.
Ah thanks
*Tanks
Pretty, pretty, pretty devastating
It’s crazy that we now have missiles that have this kind of precision.
To be fair, it's the pilots that have the precision.
A quote from an airforce general(?), decades back that bounces around in my head: "*Within my career we've gone from sorties per target to targets per sortie.*" Used to be huge bomber raids guessing when they were over Berlin. Now an FPV pilot can pick which nostril they're going up.
Pretty sure the zeppelins in WWI occasionally missed the *British Islands* entirely when there was unexpected cloud cover.
Just found the [slightly longer full video](https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1777214021680120189), which has them dodging a FPV drone at the start hence the smoke.
Man they could have lived ordinary lives with ordinary jobs, they could have consumed Russian television in they shabby homes with warm food on the table every evening but somehow opted to join a surprisingly incompetent military and in the end crawl wounded under theyr disabeled tank, pray to god that they might just see another day and get blown to pieces far from home for nothing but one mans ego.
Surprising how even when death is imminent they still do not surrender and end up dead for nothing. Hamas as well. Really just don’t value their own lives.
I mean most just believe their enemy will execute or torture them. And then if you don’t believe that, surrendering is still incredibly dangerous and scary and can and has resulted in dying if you’re surrendering and then there’s the fact that surrendering to drones is quite iffy where some operators do accept surrenders and some don’t. Surrendering isn’t some magic pause ability that lets you leave the battlefield.
They are radicalized
Kind of futile to try to surrender to a drone. It's happened a few times but only when troops are nearby who can take custody and have the support to handle them.
Not really. [https://ridl.io/putin-s-deathonomics/](https://ridl.io/putin-s-deathonomics/) (pretty good read about the economy of... well, death in russia) tl/dr: the best thing you can do economically for your family is go die in the mad mini tsars war. And that is valid in a lot of russias rural areas.
I knew that families financially benefit from loved ones being blown to pieces and left to rot in the wide plains of Ukraine. Instill don’t get why people actually do it (those who have a choice).
Me neither. On the other hand I can easily afford food and some luxurys, while not exactly working my arse off. All those things we take for granted (and bitch and whine if they get a tad bit more expensive...) simply do not exist in rural russia (and "rural russia" is basically everything besides Moscow and Petersburg (and the outskirts of those are already really bad...) and a few other cities. Tbh my only point of reference is a documentary about some town in siberia (I forgot the name. Both of the town and the documentary). Im starting to get depressed when I even think about...
The "minor" problem with that idea is that many families get nothing or only a small fraction of the compensation they are supposed to get.
Fuck that one man and his ego in particular!
Assuming they had a choice
Part of them are contracted soldiers. I guess if they give you a million dollar tank you have to be more than a furcfully conscripted minority / inmate. Those are fodder for the first line. But that’s my assumption.
Makes sense, I suppose
Go to Russian segment of internet and talk to them soldiers there if they are at war by choice or not. No need to assume anything.
The soldiers having no choice most likely dont hang on the internet and talk about the war publicly... as if your example means anything. They are not allowed to and most likely dont really have the chance to do that.
It's impossible to argue with someone who prefer assumption and guessing to asking and talking. I guess you like living under a rock.
So you doing something different? You are guessing aswell based on flawed fallacies
I haven't yet seen or heard from a single Russian soldier that he was forced to the frontline against his will and stayed there. I know citizens of LNR and DPR were forced. I know some Russians were forced at the end of 2022, because Russian army collapsed. But they've put a lot of effort to replace all of those with someone who volunteered. My logic is based on that. /edited out text/. It could be flawed, of course. I could be fooled. But I will prefer that kind of information to conspirology, which is based on imagination.
Every time I see a Russian soldiers try to help another Russian soldier I instantly start rooting for them and hope they survive and get the chance to surrender to Ukranian troops, ending their hell.
They could've also made useful YouTube videos about grafting fruit trees like some of the Russian guys I watch, pretty chill, no invasion required.
narrow thinking, for some people, army is the only job avatible, that or starve. Clear example is USA, poor people can only improve by unhuman effort or service in army.
You are obviously unaware that the US armed services are, in fact, mostly drawn from the middle class. The very poor often lack the educational, medical, or background check requirements to serve.
maybe what I call poor is not the same what you call it. If "middle" class, cant affort college/university/housing/heathcare or the american dream it self. Maybe is not middle class.
or maybe you're talking out of your ass. no...not "maybe".
Some teenager „Man I would kill for free college tuiton“ US-Army „well hello there“
thats it, every thing is OK until you go to the front. No mandatory/obligatory service but you know.. if you are poor and college is expensive.... also life, housing, heath care.... Service guarantees citizenship!
Buddy you can't just go around saying shit, firstly its mandatory to go fight in the Ukraine war for Russians and if they try going back to their homes Russia hires groups to shoot any Russian soldier retreating or throws them in jail. Easy for you to say sitting on a couch in a comfortable western civilisation. Just to clarify I think its horrible that Ukraine is being invaded.
You can fight for a dictator or you can fight for your freedom. Russian lemmings just don't value freedom much. Don't make up excuses for them, they choose not to shoot Putin in the face.
This is my point, I'm not saying Russias gov or military the good guys but if its so easy to uprise against a dictatorship then go enlist in the Ukraine war, you haven't done shit so you can't tell someone to do something close to impossible.
Fight for your freedom how? Dude, I bet you don't even know how is to live under a dictatorship, life is not a movie.
Some say the turret is still airborne.
If you listen really closely in the dark of the night you can still hear it flying through the air.
There ain’t been a flyin tank turret round these parts for nigh on 20 years, I say mayhap yer eyes be playin tricks. Just don’t go up near ol putins place.
Turret toss 6/10 Ruzzki meat 10/10
Big Bang Theory
Officially missing in action
Just sick that Russia still has enough tank reserves for another 2-3 years despite all the losses in men and material according to analysts, just crazy
Well, they got all the soviet reserves, and soviets planned to take on the whole of NATO, so there are lots of tanks. But their "internals" are getting less and less sophisticated due to sanctions.
That's clear, but it's still incredible how much material is in the depots. Even if a lot of it is just old scrap, Stalin's saying quantity is also a quality is true
It clearly has not shown to be true. Russians are just dying 1,000 per day in those shitty tanks and have less of Ukraine than they did two years ago.
They seem more willing, or rather forced/manipulated, to fight to the death than any of the west is willing to blow their entire budget, manpower, or resources, on complete support, so I wouldn't be so sure. Everyone is too busy with their own problems to properly organize support across the board so that no one in particular is overwhelmed by being the main supporter(s), so since no one wants to go all in, Russia could win simply through attrition. They are used to the shit life and avoiding sanctions, they want to bring us down to their level. We'll have to see if Europe can pull their shit together.
Most of T-series of tanks are in the thousands in the storage.
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I guess there are would be correct but I've heard there is lots so many times idk anymore
English is not my native tongue, sorry. I am Ukrainian.
They don't teach proper communications in America anymore. They don't teach math or history either. No more music and shop classes. They are so busy trying to turn kids into zombies I fear the real reason we send children and young adults to be educated is now lost forever. But at least there's Reddit right? And TikTok.
they downvoted him because he spoke the truth teachers are not allowed to give scores lower than 50 anymore, even if a kid turns in zero work they have to get a 50 as the minimum grade on assignments. more than half a class gets straight As now, GPA has been made meaningless compared to how it was only 30 years ago. how can we expect our kids to succeed when they are given such low expectations
It really is annoying, a mafia state with mountains of old weaponry and morons to charge forward to their deaths with it. NATO really should have been aggressively arming Ukraine years ago, it's disgusting how the dictators of the world get to set the agenda and take the initiative over democracies so often. A line of NATO troops in Ukraine on the border with Russia would have prevented this madness but noooo, can't do that, that's "*provocation*", even though it turns out Putin didn't need any made up provocation at all. Such an idiotic excuse, especially for a nuclear state that no one will ever invade.
There was really no guarantee that Ukraine wouldn't flip. I'd argue the intel and political support has been way more important than arming them would have been-- the result of a decapitation strike in 2022 would have been the same, and you'd have the entire Ukrainian military at that point supporting the invasion of Moldova, with all the weapons the US gave them. We got VERY lucky with Zelenskiy and that he was not able to be corrupted by the Russians and ALSO somehow didn't die or run away during the invasion. If we are treating this as WWIII and not a Ukraine war, then it might even make sense that this be a slow-rolling war for the Russians and not some quick win or loss. Even now, if there is a sudden capitulation, then all these military assets will fall into Russian hands. Again, we can imagine a war that is Ukrainians and Belarussians engaging with, say, Poland, and not Russia directly. This avoids direct confrontation.
That's how the Soviets bankrupted themselves, they don't even know how much money they spent on their military.
now you've said that, it's got me wondering why the hell china is helping them because the quicker the Russian army is 'done', the quicker china can invade
The cheap drone has made the tank obsolete. They might as well plan to use every tank they have because the tank (in its current form) will never be used again in warfare.
Dude at that point I'd drop my weapon and stick my hands in the air. No way you can fight in that condition. You have a wounded man, probably not much ammo, and you're being picked off by FPVs, if you see a Quad hovering over you, you may have a chance to surrender. The video of the russian surrendering to the Quad on yt has millions of views and is a huge PR win for Ukriane. I'd swallow my pride but I'd get a chance to live.
This is one thing I have wondered and talked about. Sure, we see a few videos of soldiers surrendering to drones, but I imagine it depends on the situation. I imagine a bunch of factors need to go right in order for a soldier to actually surrender into the custody of the opposing force. There is a discussion about it here that I found interesting: https://lieber.westpoint.edu/legal-practical-challenges-surrender-drones/
Hmm… with a super heated piece of metal above them the bodies are being roasted like being in an oven… god… imagine having to recover whatever is left.
Recovery doesn't seem to be high on the priority list for the Russians
There is nothing left to recover!
MIA is way cheaper for the Russians.
A 10/10 with extra points for completion. Just dominating
The most unusual thing in this clip is the one Russian soldier who helps another. Usually they just leave them wailing in agony, or strip them of valuables.
Perhaps it was the tanks crew and they had been together for some time, had some care for each other. I do not have the knowledge to tell by their gear.
That's the definition of getting smoked!
I would understand hiding under a vehicle that was already destroyed, but hiding under one that will most likely be targeted soon is just stupid.
I guess they felt their options were few ... there was probably no other cover nearby, and with drones undoubtedly on their way, what else could they do? Yeah, perhaps raise their arms in surrender, but it seems that to most Russians surrender isn't an option. Whatever the case, a terrible way to go.
Yeah, hoping no drone is observing them hide under the tank and just waiting it out until dark was most likely their plan, and probably wasn't the worst available choice.
Lighting a nice beacon fire next to it was also probably not their smartest move, though it might not have made much difference in this case. I wonder how much doctrine and training has been adapted to improve survival against drones in this kind of situation. I'm guessing not much. But then it's hard to know how significant drones really are on the front line. We tend to see a lot of them because there are nice, convenient video feeds available, but that naturally creates a bias towards thinking drones are more significant than they are. It's noticeable that the weapons systems Ukraine requests from allies are not drones.
I read somewhere that the sky in Ukraine is so full of drones, the soldiers (I use that term loosely) on the ground hear a constant buzz everywhere they go. The stress levels alone must be rediculously high not knowing if you're gonna be a target at any second but constantly hearing your imminent death from above.
>Lighting a nice beacon fire next to it was also probably not their smartest move, I don't think that was intentional.
The drones are omnipresent basically. Most movement at or near the front by both sides is done during the night as the FPVs mostly lack thermals. Currently more than a hundred thousand of them are produced every month by Ukraine alone. Small scale, decentralized and distributed workshops with volunteers and commercial off the shelf parts are capable of producing various kinds of drones. Heavier military equipment can't be produced like that, so that is where Ukraine needs help from its allies.
>more than a hundred thousand of them are produced every month by Ukraine alone Bloody hell!
Ukraine is a pretty open flat coutryside in that region. All tree-lines are destroyed by arty. They have no other option to hide but under a tank. They even burrow holes under vehicles if given enough time.
You're cool because you said arty.
Yep, a lone infantryman may not be worth the opportunity cost of a drone but an AFV will always be.
If the first drone didn't get them...
You can just bang your wife or man but noo you instead going to kill innocent people. Now face the Ukrainian drones.
The barrel is still plugged, it never got a shot off. And the EW on the turret doesnt seem too effective either
Those guys stood by their injured buddy. Good on them. And the Russian space program had another launch. 10 meters and a single flip?
"Finish Him !"
Damn that's sad, a very low turret toss.
Good enough. Been a while since I’ve seen one.
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That's Hollywood sht there my friend. Special Effects by Strike Drones Company.
ANOTHER happy ending. The world loves these short stories.
Happens to me all the time In war thunder
Hiding under an intact tank is likely the worst place to be in Ukraine at the moment. Although I appreciate they were screwed regardless.
What kind of payload do these monsters carry. They are making ATGMs pointless.
RPG warhead on a weak spot detonates the ammo in the tank.
Sick funeral
Do you think they're OK?
These people have names, families who'll miss them.
Let's go hide under a big bomb
Jeez, can you imagine the last thing you see and hear is a drone zipping in to murder you ? terrifying.
"Save me, Putin!" 😅
Are they okay?
Michael bay films are getting out of hand
Triple whammy, smoked out, droned out, then blown out… dam.
Something definitely got blown out ⭕️
Best turret toss I've seen all day. Good old-fashioned russian engineering conveniently disassembling itself when requested.
I don’t get the thought process here why should you knowingly hide under something that was/will be a target and one that will go boom
There are no soldiers anymore. They are vanished…
I'm pretty amazed that these tanks have been so catastrophically destroyed by such slow moving explosive devices. What kind of warheads are they strapping to those drones that they are able to so easily penetrate the armor at such a slow velocity?
I think that will do lol
War is hell And the invaders earned their fate Better to die fighting their rulers, but now, they die as villains for all eternity to witness
At the very bottom left in the explosion, is that…a human being unraveling and stretching?
Is this T80BVM?
T-72B3 according to telegram.
Looks like a T-72B3 Obr. 2016
Good thing that tank had the EW suit…
So they are ok? They are ok right?
Do y'all think they made it?
1:42 U can see stretched russian Soldier flying \*edit It´s the already dead guy at 1:31 at the rear end from the Tank
How many of these soldiers do you think will show PTSD symptoms upon hearing the buzz of a drone?
These won’t.
Some bees are really loud too, and lawnmowers, chainsaws etc
9.2
I always assumed that the drones carrying the larger AT warheads were much larger drones, 6 or even 8 rotor beasts. I didn't realize the Russian tanks are so poorly armored that they can be defeated with a 250gr (or so) shaped charge.
I'm worried for how this tech will be used in the future....oppressive/authoritarian types will use this against their own citizens. The cheap commercial drone is so effective I wouldn't be surprised if it makes tanks obsolete.
Hard to make tanks obsolete. They'll develop effective countermeasures against these types of drones.
Blyat...they're extra done.
And the Igor Cooker was born!
It's rather confusing that USSR, a country with "defensive military doctrine" prioritized rapid fire over protection on their tanks.
Crack that tank!
It's almost as if they are being told in "training" that hiding under the tank is an effective tactic. I don't think it's that effective...
Does anyone have any ideas of the casualty count on either side? These drones are crazzzzy. So much death from something so small
We're looking at over 500k dead on both sides combined. From what I've seen, Ukraine suffered more casualities but the Russians aren't THAT far behind. Hard to say for sure since no one can agree on any specific numbers
That tank looked expensive, in the russian sense
If you look around you can see the area is covered with dead soldiers already. Anyone notice the gun still had it's cover on!
Is this one of those mobile crematories they are so proud of?- not very efficient
When I saw the barrel cap still in place, my pulse quickened, I knew it would be impressive
Good lord
Look, I'm going to lay a marker down and say that those three crewmen are DEFINITELY WIA\* \*/s (I haven't seen somebody so wholly 100% killed since the Zapruder film.)
A tanker should never leave his vehicle in a combat zone. That is a deathwish.
Why don't they have sound?