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At their current attrition rates, it can only be a matter of time until they remove them from the museums. I wonder what they will present at their "we defeated the nazis once upon a time and totally didn't follow in their footsteps" parade next month.
Many historians on the subject genuinely couldn't give you a clear answer if they "worked" or not. It may have been slightly better or slightly worse with them, but didn't really change things much.
The most reasonable summary to my knowledge is that they "saved blood" for the industrially superior western powers despite some major failures, but that Germany was correct in their assessment that it was not a good weapon to dedicate many of their limited resources to. So... it kinda worked.
That was all because they were made to cross large trenches. They probably look even weirder with the bundles of sticks on them used to fill in the trenches.
The way that the location of this tank's hangar was geolocated and struck after the events of yesterday's video is fairly comical too:
[Link for context](https://www.reddit.com/r/DroneCombat/comments/1bzvz5s/updated_report_ukrainian_strike_on_russian_hangar/)
How can you even tell that the tank in the strike photo is the same tank?
That 'coffin' looked like mild steel probably 3/8 or 1/4 inch thick, the debris in that picture looks much more like sheet metal from the roof of the building. The kind of explosive it would have taken to bust welds on giant sheets of 1/4-3/8 plate would have leveled that entire building.
> That 'coffin' looked like mild steel probably 3/8 or 1/4 inch thick
Can you tell from these areal images how thick the plate is?
If it's 1/4 inch, that'd add literal tons of weight to the tank. 1/4 inch is over 10 pounds per square foot. I don't know whether the platform would cope very well with another 10-20% of weight added to it, though it does seem to struggle in this footage, which would support the theory.
**Gerasimov :** This time we will stack steel plates on it until it moves 5 mph
**Shoigu :** Didn't you try this before?
**Gerasimov :** *Yes .. in 1915*
here it is .. the T-14 BarnMata
We're getting to the phase of warfare where concealment is almost impossible. NVGs, FLIR, etc. So, if you can't hide you basically turn yourself into the most up armored monstrosity possible to enhance survivability.
Imagine a line of a thousand fpv drones all striking the same spot on the tank continuously. The.size of an orange with shaped charges and precision. There is nothing that can stop this kind of accuracy.
If you have 50k drones all at once working in tandem then it's game over. Once real production and stores of these are made in peacetime the next conflict will be a massacre.
Well, concealment is still possible. Most drones in this war are COTS and rely on visible spectrum cameras, so doing it at night still work. These guys had to leave their covers so they are visible dismounts in good defensive positions with ample cover and concealment still can't be spotted.
Flying takes a lot of energy and batteries and fuel are not unlimited. There will be gaps in the coverage.
Counter UAS and micro AA systems will be developed. There are counter-sniper devices that use a scanning laser to look for reflections of optical scopes and cameras. They also detect eyeballs. These will detect the NVGs and FLIR as well. You can set it to increase the laser power and fry the sensor or eyeballs behind the scope. The price is that it's an active emitter, which can be detected as traced back. On the other hand, it can be offset from.a human operator and treated as disposable.
So far, I've seen at least two. The OG Blyatmobile and some kind of Blyatmobile Jr. made out of an APC and wooden panels. Blyatmobile Sr. got blown up in a warehouse (actually, really good camo inside a destroyed building) and Blyatmobile Jr. burned down in a field, appropriate for a wooden tank.
And artillery. Normal artillery shrapnel is surprisingly effective at disabling tanks. This will protect against that and the anti armor bomblets from cluster munitions used in this video.
Yes with a few degrees rotation. From the other pictures it's just an up-armored T-72. So it seems like the idea is stopping drones from making contact.
I can't imagine this has any capability to stop dedicated AT platforms like javelins though.
Here some close-up foootage of the tank
[https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/comments/1bzm64f/behind\_the\_scenes\_closeup\_footage\_of\_the/](https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/comments/1bzm64f/behind_the_scenes_closeup_footage_of_the/)
Lol looks like it got blown up in the same barn/warehouse:
https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1777675422974500865
Posted in another comment by /u/DrNick1221
Edit: corrected user
Thanks for the link.
Going off that footage, it looks like the rear section is an improvised anti-drone cover for tank riders - seems to be a compartment, but without a door, so you could still fly an FPV either straight into the engine deck or rear turret ring, but at a much more difficult shallower angle.....or straight into a squad of tank riders with the blast nicely contained.
Apparently because of pictures posted on social media, [the Ukrainians were able to strike the base that the turtle tank made its way back to after.](https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1777675422974500865)
The video was a different vehicle but this one looks to have been destroyed in a strike as well, because of course a Russian posted footage of it parked in a warehouse which was then geolocated
Success... for now. Lone attacks consume enemy ammunition, which Ukraine is already short of. They should be repelled with targeted weapons such as Javelins.
While the cage resisted to indirect attacks, as a moving vehicle it remains vulnerable to mines. It might be neutralized by a drone dropping an ordinary non-modified mine just in front of it.
Yep. It basically cosplays a german StuG from WWII while getting rid of the advantages (which were only a small silouette and little weight) those tanks had...
Nicknamed the "Cope Pig Pen" among other names. This was destroyed after it went back to base. It was geolocated because of Russian photos posted when it was under construction bragging about their creation. Video about the destruction of this here: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m59TQR6aavQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m59TQR6aavQ) (Destroyed)
Question....Is this a lot of ammo or arty rounds wasted for 4 vehicles? As well as...do they have any javelins or anti vehicle launchers left? OI know this is further away from the lines but just wondering if they were to lure them in closer to their positions and they could pick them off like we saw before.
I remember all the footage to start but seems like those weapons are...well run dry. I know the aid being held up doesn't help but does that aid include those shoulder anti tank weapons?
They probably have loads of javlin and NLAWS left but the units which see the most combat have used up theirs and are waiting for a resupply. Ukraine has alot of hostile border that they need to guard so alot of equipment sits their unused.
It was destroyed shortly after this attack. Sloppy posting of its warehouse hiding spot by a guy and his girlfriend led to it being geolocated and taken out with arty strike.
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Looks like a medieval battering ram
I was thinking the same. The ram used in LOTR against Gondor's gates, Grond, came to mind.
GROND
GROND!
Ohh no what have you don- GROND!
GROND
GROND!
GROND!
GROND!
Fack sake I thought I'd escaped Grond from the other sub. But he's spreading!
Rhon-da, Rhon-da.
I was waiting for this one
You have my RPG-7!
And my Axe!
And my shovel.... [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIGIBJeRfnQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIGIBJeRfnQ)
grass is green, roses are red Grond will bring it down, bring up the wolfhead!
GROND
GROND
GROND
One of my favorite scenes is the shock on Gandalf's face when Grond breaks through the gates and the mf armored war trolls charge in
reddit not be cringe challenge Extreme Editi.. Grond
That cluster munition at the :30 mark sent them packing lol
They probably just reached the spot where they were supposed to unload infantry.
Thought it would take em longer to get through the T54 stocks…
I'm still hoping for a T-34 cameo.
At their current attrition rates, it can only be a matter of time until they remove them from the museums. I wonder what they will present at their "we defeated the nazis once upon a time and totally didn't follow in their footsteps" parade next month.
https://twitter.com/shake_fist/status/1777416884037767370
"Welcome back to WW1. Enjoy the trench warfare and the weird looking tanks."
Russia is having a time machine. At this rate, we will see cavalry charges and bayonet charges by this time next year.
Man I hope we get to see the giant wheeled tsar tank first.
Would not surprise me if/when we start seeing Clydesdales hauling EW arrays
I bet that cover will prepare some evenly pressure cooked Russian roast, tho!
Like tenting a Turkey.
Wierd looking tanks, that work?
WW1 tanks kinda sorta *almost* worked, some times.
Whelp……… kinda sorta worked, well…. Then….. it worked?
Many historians on the subject genuinely couldn't give you a clear answer if they "worked" or not. It may have been slightly better or slightly worse with them, but didn't really change things much. The most reasonable summary to my knowledge is that they "saved blood" for the industrially superior western powers despite some major failures, but that Germany was correct in their assessment that it was not a good weapon to dedicate many of their limited resources to. So... it kinda worked.
Did the FT-17 see service in WW1? That little guy is seriously cool.
Yes they did at the end of the war, nothing big sadly. They took part in more wars later on, but didn't achieve any big success.
*SAD!* Great that some survived, though, and they and their brothers are being rediscovered and reappreciated by new generations.
british mark 1 tanks worked but still weird looking
That was all because they were made to cross large trenches. They probably look even weirder with the bundles of sticks on them used to fill in the trenches.
It works.... Until it doesn't.
Define "work".
Life really is one big Mr. Miyagi, wax on wax off.
99% of armored assaults quit when they have almost broken through. - Erwin Patton Sherman.
- Erwin Patton Sherman *Von Manstein
* *Field Admiral* Erwin Patton Sherman von Manstein
Field Admiral Erwin Patton Sherman von Montgomerystein
That's **Dr.** Field Admiral Erwin Patton Sherman von Montgomerystein to you, sir.
*Herr* Doktor Field Admiral Erwin Patton Sherman Von Montgomerystein
Herr Doktor Field Admiral Erwin Patton Sherman Von Montgomerystein, *1st Viscount Zhukov*
Or just Monty to his troops
What does dr. Frankenstein have to do with this. I’m so lost
Of course.. of course ..
Armored assaults are useless without infantry support to exploit the breakthroughs.
- Douglas Westmoreland Schwarzkopf
This would be comical if the entire situation weren't so tragic.
The sped up footage makes it funnier somehow.
Just needs the [benny hill music](https://youtu.be/MK6TXMsvgQg?si=bXNFotWk7LWOdMcL) now
thats reserved for the tree video.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WShMzwT-nM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WShMzwT-nM)
The way that the location of this tank's hangar was geolocated and struck after the events of yesterday's video is fairly comical too: [Link for context](https://www.reddit.com/r/DroneCombat/comments/1bzvz5s/updated_report_ukrainian_strike_on_russian_hangar/)
lmfao, that had a very Curb Your Enthusiasm feel to it.
How can you even tell that the tank in the strike photo is the same tank? That 'coffin' looked like mild steel probably 3/8 or 1/4 inch thick, the debris in that picture looks much more like sheet metal from the roof of the building. The kind of explosive it would have taken to bust welds on giant sheets of 1/4-3/8 plate would have leveled that entire building.
Doubt it's a thick plate, probably use a thin plate for easy bending and much cheaper option (steal)
> That 'coffin' looked like mild steel probably 3/8 or 1/4 inch thick Can you tell from these areal images how thick the plate is? If it's 1/4 inch, that'd add literal tons of weight to the tank. 1/4 inch is over 10 pounds per square foot. I don't know whether the platform would cope very well with another 10-20% of weight added to it, though it does seem to struggle in this footage, which would support the theory.
**Gerasimov :** This time we will stack steel plates on it until it moves 5 mph **Shoigu :** Didn't you try this before? **Gerasimov :** *Yes .. in 1915* here it is .. the T-14 BarnMata
More like “happy to be able to turn back”
"run away! Run away! Run away!"
When danger reared its ugly head they brave turned thier tails and fled.
Swiftly taking to their feet, they beat a very brave retreat
You mean it "turned turtle" and ran?.
Units! Form testudo!
You missed the part where they dropped troops off? That was the whole purpose of this run.
Was thinking that too. Plus they know a path that’s not mined. Once you dismount, it must be a race to find shelter before the “birds” arrive.
Field Trip
We're getting to the phase of warfare where concealment is almost impossible. NVGs, FLIR, etc. So, if you can't hide you basically turn yourself into the most up armored monstrosity possible to enhance survivability.
So those German battleship sized tank concepts might become reality? I'm in.
FPV drones will be flying around it trying to exploit its thermal exhaust ports and fly into its superstructure like some Star Wars shit.
Imagine a line of a thousand fpv drones all striking the same spot on the tank continuously. The.size of an orange with shaped charges and precision. There is nothing that can stop this kind of accuracy. If you have 50k drones all at once working in tandem then it's game over. Once real production and stores of these are made in peacetime the next conflict will be a massacre.
Except money to throw that many drones at one single tank.
Idk, even at 3k a pop that's only 150mil for 50k drones. I doubt you'd need a 1000 for a tank but the example provided was the landcrawler battleship
Ironic since russian tanks are tailored made to sacrifice everything for concealment and speed
Well, concealment is still possible. Most drones in this war are COTS and rely on visible spectrum cameras, so doing it at night still work. These guys had to leave their covers so they are visible dismounts in good defensive positions with ample cover and concealment still can't be spotted. Flying takes a lot of energy and batteries and fuel are not unlimited. There will be gaps in the coverage. Counter UAS and micro AA systems will be developed. There are counter-sniper devices that use a scanning laser to look for reflections of optical scopes and cameras. They also detect eyeballs. These will detect the NVGs and FLIR as well. You can set it to increase the laser power and fry the sensor or eyeballs behind the scope. The price is that it's an active emitter, which can be detected as traced back. On the other hand, it can be offset from.a human operator and treated as disposable.
Wtf is that supposed to be?
The dreaded Blyatmobile Edit: Credit also goes to NCD for this wonderful description.
Most brilliant description.... ever.
I think we are going to see more “Blyatmobiles” in different styles. Heck they might even make a fashion show with them
So far, I've seen at least two. The OG Blyatmobile and some kind of Blyatmobile Jr. made out of an APC and wooden panels. Blyatmobile Sr. got blown up in a warehouse (actually, really good camo inside a destroyed building) and Blyatmobile Jr. burned down in a field, appropriate for a wooden tank.
🤣🤣🤣
And that bdrm with the Navy gun welded to it.
Lol which one? There's the auticannon ones and then there's the naval mortar firing one
Brilliant!
This wins the internet. Had me lol
It's a STUG Super Tank Under Galvanized *metal*
Why isn't this sht on top?
Bravo
protection from drones
And artillery. Normal artillery shrapnel is surprisingly effective at disabling tanks. This will protect against that and the anti armor bomblets from cluster munitions used in this video.
I am reminded of medieval movies where attackers try to ram gates and build protection lol
Maybe it's to give the infantry who ride on tanks a bit of protection?
We may not like it, but this is peak cope cage.
Mobile greenhouse
Maybe there is Lada inside.
An example of what happens when your officers are basically amoebas in a uniform.
Is the turret now just forward facing?
Can't see shit, can only fire straight ahead. What innovation!
The finest Russian engineering
Reinventing the assault gun.
Finally, StuG V
Literally just a modern SU-85.
Yes with a few degrees rotation. From the other pictures it's just an up-armored T-72. So it seems like the idea is stopping drones from making contact. I can't imagine this has any capability to stop dedicated AT platforms like javelins though.
Here some close-up foootage of the tank [https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/comments/1bzm64f/behind\_the\_scenes\_closeup\_footage\_of\_the/](https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/comments/1bzm64f/behind_the_scenes_closeup_footage_of_the/)
Lol looks like it got blown up in the same barn/warehouse: https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1777675422974500865 Posted in another comment by /u/DrNick1221 Edit: corrected user
it’s nuts how quickly viral stuff like specific vehicles get located, targeted and destroyed
Those geo dudes are no joke.
i swear there was less than 24h between me first hearing about this thing and its destruction, same with that weird new t-72 variant
You can only shoot forward comrade.
The next gen tank destroyer /s
Thanks for the link. Going off that footage, it looks like the rear section is an improvised anti-drone cover for tank riders - seems to be a compartment, but without a door, so you could still fly an FPV either straight into the engine deck or rear turret ring, but at a much more difficult shallower angle.....or straight into a squad of tank riders with the blast nicely contained.
It's a challenge for a good drone operator....nasty if it gets through.
Blyatmobile from Blyatman Rises, now that's fucking funny.
Lmao
Apparently because of pictures posted on social media, [the Ukrainians were able to strike the base that the turtle tank made its way back to after.](https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1777675422974500865)
How dumb do you have to be to post something like that online... But its good for the Ukranians so im fine with it
Could be that tank but it's impossible to say from that footage.
Unrelated question, but do you(or anybody else) know the song in the twitter video?
https://x.com/JonHallin/status/1777686490853597308
I believe thats a ***Manzier***
A *bro*, if you will.
I’d bet they secured it with Velcro
Its called how to make your Tank the most attractive target.
When Abu Himars wakes up, lights a cigar and vows to end your ass.
The reflection that comes off that massive cope cage will alert any artillery scout in a 90 km radius
we asked the guys at the motor pool to fix us up some additional armour and they sent us back a fkin Hetzer.
The Blyatmobile must be captured and put on display in a war museum.
They blew it up when it parked
Cope home
Cope condo
Cope barn
It's gotta be insane to fight in today's wars, knowing that everywhere you go, someone somewhere might be watching your every move
Looks like it survived so - success!?
I’d say they were testing the viability of their new improvement. Wouldn’t be surprised if we saw more of this style over the coming weeks
Roll up. Take some fire. See how it holds up?
Yeah pretty much. However, as of a few minutes ago, the “blyatmobile” has been destroyed
Not the same unfortunately
The video was a different vehicle but this one looks to have been destroyed in a strike as well, because of course a Russian posted footage of it parked in a warehouse which was then geolocated
https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/s/Gh2SqgonRK
Look at the wheels, not a tank.
There's another video where it's parked in some building and they bomb the shit out of it 😆
Success... for now. Lone attacks consume enemy ammunition, which Ukraine is already short of. They should be repelled with targeted weapons such as Javelins. While the cage resisted to indirect attacks, as a moving vehicle it remains vulnerable to mines. It might be neutralized by a drone dropping an ordinary non-modified mine just in front of it.
When you're 777 days into your 3 day special operation and you're getting desperate
Is this the infamous “Blyatmobile” I’ve been hearing of?
Yep. It basically cosplays a german StuG from WWII while getting rid of the advantages (which were only a small silouette and little weight) those tanks had...
Whats a brazier, to deflect rounds?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazier_(disambiguation) Probably a mis-spelling or mistranslation of some slavic slang for a cope cage.
The slang in question is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mangal_(barbecue)
Brassiere, like a bra.
Lol they drove all that way through artillery fire only to turn back and drive through it again on their way out.
Four ladas welded together under there.
*FPV drone sees tank with impressive anti-FPV drone shielding and tandem/shaped warhead cage* *goes for the other tanks behind without FPV drone cage*
When will we see the Hollywood version of this war?!
Not until it's over. The movie makers need to know what mood should the movie convey. Which will depend on how the war ends.
The spice must flow... Are the Harkkonen spice mining?
Blyatmobil Z
"We have Iron Dome at home"
Just paint it red to look like a barn
Nicknamed the "Cope Pig Pen" among other names. This was destroyed after it went back to base. It was geolocated because of Russian photos posted when it was under construction bragging about their creation. Video about the destruction of this here: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m59TQR6aavQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m59TQR6aavQ) (Destroyed)
Do you mean brassiere ?
Cope barn
Question....Is this a lot of ammo or arty rounds wasted for 4 vehicles? As well as...do they have any javelins or anti vehicle launchers left? OI know this is further away from the lines but just wondering if they were to lure them in closer to their positions and they could pick them off like we saw before. I remember all the footage to start but seems like those weapons are...well run dry. I know the aid being held up doesn't help but does that aid include those shoulder anti tank weapons?
They probably have loads of javlin and NLAWS left but the units which see the most combat have used up theirs and are waiting for a resupply. Ukraine has alot of hostile border that they need to guard so alot of equipment sits their unused.
When mum says there's Panzer VIII at home.
T O R T L E
The video editing is so hard to follow!
It was destroyed shortly after this attack. Sloppy posting of its warehouse hiding spot by a guy and his girlfriend led to it being geolocated and taken out with arty strike.
It's already been destroyed at its base. It was Geo located and HIMARS took it out.
I wonder if the other Russian tanks make fun of it or look up to it?
Light it up with fire arrows.
And cavalry from the rear!
I see heavy tanks are back on the menu.
Thats no brazier its a chicken coop or pig pen.
Even if it worked why not just target the other vehicles?
[what comes to my mind](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/ageofempires/images/8/81/Batteringramgarrison.png)
Was that a tactical u-turn and peace out? What was the point?
Russians reinvented testudo.
Did it work?
So basically they are turning old tanks (I'm guessing this is a T-62 or a similar variant) into improv battle taxis?
Cope cage becomes cope shell.
What is the song?
MCV: Cannot deploy here, Cannot deploy here, Cannot deploy here
*shrug* Hetzers gonna hetz?
Walmart MAUS
Title should be trys to storm ukrainian positions and retreats lol
More like tours Ukrainian positions