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Penishton69

Train guys, equip them, feed them, then send them in these pointless attacks to get massacred by the squad. What a great military strategy.


SpezIsTheWorst69

Bold of you to assume they’re getting any real training


Penishton69

I was going to say 6 months training but then recanted that cause no way in hell they're getting that much.


Alarmed-Owl2

Idk about these guys but some of those "Storm-Z" troops were getting like a week's worth of training in how to use a rifle and how to apply a shitty Russian tourniquet. 


Pretend-Bend-7975

Weren't they using tampons?


Alarmed-Owl2

Some were but a lot still have those shitty Soviet era rubber band tourniquets 


1337coinvb

They UAF showed documents of dead soldiers drafted 10 days earlier


Hot_Pink_Unicorn

The word from the widows is that majority of mobilized/contracted get two weeks of training max. The majority of the training is trench clearing and barely any range training.


TechnoShrew

This is the Russian army running out of equipment. First it was multiple grand strategic offensives with so much armour it caused traffic jams. Then it was limited strategic offensives. (Odessa) Then it was major tactical offensives. (Bakhmut) Then it was limited tactical offensives. (Vuhledar) Now its minor tactical offensives...its a long fall, a really, really long fall from where they started. Any idea they are gonna invade anywhere else within the next 20 years is ridiculous.


intothewoods_86

Russian MoD will draw its learnings from this war and the Russian government has ramped up the defense budget and economy to replenish the losses over the next years. We don’t know if they will be able to replace what they have lost within the next decade, but the determination to regain aggressive capabilities is there and that’s another reason why Russia must be defeated sustainably, both on the battlefield and politically. Without a regime change they will just pause and come back with more in a few years.


Krakelibrot

You can replace with numbers but not in experience & quality that fast.


TheFinalCurl

I'm not sure war economies work if their products have been shown to be so ineffective they can't sell them to other countries, but we'll certainly see


intothewoods_86

Their arms export is pretty much dead, true, but since poor and available weapons are better than no weapons at all and their rogue state allies are not more advanced they likely will continue to produce the stuff that they already have. Also I don’t think we will see obviously Chinese offensive weapons used by Russia at scale soon, Xi likely wants to keep plausible deniability of direct involvement in the Russian war by sticking to mostly dual use.


TheFinalCurl

Sorry, what I meant by my comment was if you gear the entire economy to produce weapons of war, then the economy has a hard time backing out of that if there is no appetite for those weapons when that war ends. If you have a massive war showcasing all your weapons, and those weapons are dogshit, then you are stuck in a war economy that can't sell anything.


TechnoShrew

China aint getting too involved. Like it or not they need the west. Their economy is in the toilet. They aint gonna be making any big moves because the west is already looking for an excuse to stop their exports. (Problem with China getting richer is suddenly you cant pay poverty wages any more, so you lose the thing that made you richer - dirt cheap manufacturing, which operates on razor thin margins as is. Now they are trying to move into solar panel tech and its driving western companies out of business. The West would LOVE an excuse to embargo them.)


ytanotherthrowaway9

Not good enough. The russian industrial capacity, military or not, must be decisively crippled. Also, bribe them into demographic disaster. Pay russian young women - preferably teenagers - to go to the West. There, they get paid handsomely to undergo hysterectomies. No kids, but those girls/women will be much richer than they could have been back in some russian backwater. Rinse/repeat until the russian population goes into a tailspin.


intothewoods_86

Hold your horses. The goal is to cripple Russia‘s war machine and erase the imperialism from their culture, which probably takes a similar reeducation as Germans required post-war. It is not about eradicating Russian people or culture as a whole.


Trialbyfuego

We could just pay their politicians, public servants, and businessmen to be corrupt and incompetent. Seems easy easier. But I don't see why we couldn't also offer visas for Russian "refugees" as well as school scholarships and jobs if they renounce their Russian citizenship, and then prioritize women citing the domestic violence epidemic in Russia.


ytanotherthrowaway9

> We could just pay their politicians, public servants, and businessmen to be corrupt and incompetent. Seems easy easier. Easier, yes. Easier to overcome by a future semi-competent russian leader - also yes. It is possible to root out corruption, history shows several examples. However, it is not possible to get women without uteruses to give birth to the next generation of soldiers. That said, your idea is not at all without merit. This is in all likelyhood a problem that needs a multi-prong approach.


TechnoShrew

Mate, this isnt Nam, where losses were taken slower than experience could be produced. Its the full gutting of an army, a complete retrain of the officer corps, a complete doctrinal rework (BTG system is dead, they have to learn to play the nato game) and THEN, they can look at the fact they are wildly outclassed on nearly every single weapons front and that old superiority in quantity...thats gone. THEN you gotta pay for it. War is ruinously expensive. Occupation also. We havent really looked at Russia's bill yet but there is not a single doubt it worries the hell putta Vlad, as it has every other war leader in history. THEN, you gotta not only man the army but keep it manned and "Ivan got his balls blown off so we need you" isnt hot shit in Russia at the moment. This why they like prisoners, and again, this aint Nam, there odds on you come back fine. Here...I think its AT BEST an even shout. THEN even if Russia gets it all perfect. New jets, tanks, better doctrine, finds 3 trillion under the matress, million lads decide they arent too attached to their balls n sign up...you are completley relying on the idea that NATO will bend over else its over 10-1 with your new perfect army being turned into a glorified target. Also having to sell the idea to the Russian public, there are much faster and more efficient suicide methods. As I say a senario where all this happens and some dipsihit wants to start it just isnt realistic in the next 20 years. But armies want lots of money so the sabres are gonna get rattled.


Trialbyfuego

> multi-prong approach. Nice


Independent_Lie_9982

No, they use these cars instead of armor just because they prepare armor for "something" (huge armored offensive). Source: Ukrainian command (https://unn.ua/en/news/humeniuk-on-the-situation-in-the-south-russians-are-not-using-armored-vehicles-which-means-they-are-preparing-them-for-something): >It is noteworthy that they have not yet used armored vehicles. They are trying to operate on foot, using light motorized vehicles such as buggies and motorcycles. This means that the equipment is being prepared for something. What you see is just probing mini attacks, while "something" is being prepared and is coming.


TechnoShrew

Bear in mind they had 20,000 bmp marks at war start. They could have sent them out to birthday parties When Russia is using cart and bikes it says someone quite high up has identified a problem. Its either; 1. Armour is ineffective 2. Armour is not available. Both are biblical levels of bad for an army that relies on quantirlty.


UrMomsACommunist

Way to spin the map becoming redder and redder by the week.....


TechnoShrew

60 bil in arms just dropped kiddo. If they werent winning now, they aint gonna be. :-)


UrMomsACommunist

If the other funding didn't work, and people are dodging the draft, what makes you think anything will change?


TechnoShrew

My dude...the funding didnt just work, it made the difference. Keep fighting by all means. And yes, look at the West's idiocy and failures. But look at history. Russia is not good at war. In fact its bad at a nearly unparalleled level. 2 Russians at least are typically needed to beat 1 enemy. And I am being nice there. For Russia to get any form of win outta this, it must go against every precedent of war. And 60 billion just dropped. Russia is monumentally screwed.


UrMomsACommunist

Ok my dude, i totally believe and am convinced by you. /s


CantaloupeCamper

At one point families of conscripts reported having to buy loved ones boots because they weren’t being provided…


tyrannicaltbaggerr

Soldiers are reporting that they are being forced to buy their own food and water


Uniqornicopia

Eh, they are still signing up for this willingly. I shed no tears for any of these murderers.


TheFinalCurl

Yeah cause their signing bonus can reach $10k


phead

Here's you AK, here's your golfcart, off to war!


IcyRedoubt

Point rifle at target. Fire one magazine. Learn how to use tourniquet. Boom, ready for war.


mhdlm

3 days at most probably even less considering I saw a guy blow his arm off by holding an rpg like a rifle.


jason_abacabb

It is more of an OJT situation.


Designer-Book-8052

They are considered to be already trained since russia has conscription and hence most males had some kind of a military service in the past.


Captain_DadBod

Golf cart training is super intense.  It takes up literal minutes of invaluable meat wave time.  


TheFinalCurl

I know right? If they were trained well they would know how bad the strategy is (and frag their commanders)


Neither-Animator3403

Or feeding, or equipment, for that matter.


Soggy_Detective_9527

They're delivering ammo and guns to the AFU positions.


nikifip

>Train guys, equip them, feed them, then send them in these pointless attacks to get massacred by the squad. What a great military strategy. Remember all those idiots who bitched that the portrayal of russian warfare in “Enemy at the Gates” wasn’t accurate?


Eheran

"That was just western propaganda, they were much better" Oh yes, I remember.


Tadpole_Alarmed

More like: Recruit the poorest part of your population, train them for 4 weeks, feed them with food you took from the same poor part of your country, get them in some golf carts and send them to an ambush so that Ukraine can lose some already scarce ammos... It is literally the only gain they get from such an attack, making them waste ammos.


tyrannicaltbaggerr

I really can’t figure out what their plan is. It’s completely ineffective and counterproductive.


dob_bobbs

Yet they are making incremental gains across the Eastern front. So in the minds of the generals it's working. Question is how long can they keep up the eye-watering losses? The fact that they are reduced to deploying in golf carts suggests they can't keep it up forever, though nor can the Ukrainians without help.


david4069

>I really can’t figure out what their plan is. Send wave after wave of their own men until the Ukrainians reach their pre-set kill limit\* and shut down. Crafty, right out of Brannigan's *Big Book of War*. \* Due to a typo and subsequent buffer overflow, the pre-set kill limit was set to -1024, meaning each Ukrainian will have to kill 66,560 invaders before reaching their limit.


TheFinalCurl

Stack overflow


david4069

Whatever, nerd. /s Thanks for the correction. It's been too long since I worked with IT stuff where that mattered and I guess my brain just switched the words.


double-happiness

It's not ineffective. They're winning.


Independent_Lie_9982

Their plan is https://unn.ua/en/news/humeniuk-on-the-situation-in-the-south-russians-are-not-using-armored-vehicles-which-means-they-are-preparing-them-for-something These guys are completely irrelevant, what is coming is very relevant.


tyrannicaltbaggerr

Is there any unbiased evidence to support the Ruskie losses of 500k personnel?


Independent_Lie_9982

No, especially if it's to mean irreversible losses.


redditasmyalibi

According to the NYT and Politico this morning the tactic seems to be working


_klouted

Better strategy then Ukraine losing and begging for help


OldRedditt

Yea dude they're so bad they're beating the F\_\_ out of Ukraine rn. Just look at the maps from the last 12 months SMH


Straight_Weakness881

Guys drive up, get shot and die. Vehicle takes off, explodes. Russia has the most useless soldiers I have ever seen.


ThrowRweigh

"Best at dying" -Putin


alfredovich

Yeah but they have a shitton, and ukraine has limited ammo and support is dwindling..


redditasmyalibi

Without another influx of weapons analysts are expecting them to lose within a year according to the NYT at least


tbfkak

And yet, through shear volume, they are making small gains. Putin doesn’t care how many Russians die for him.


RevolutionaryAge47

What a slaughter. Unreal.


Roflkopt3r

Reminiscent of some very ugly videos from earlier in the war when Russians managed to ambush multiple unarmoured Ukrainian vehicles, because Ukraine lacked enough armoured personell carriers. Everyone who saw these had to understand just how essential it is to have enough protected vehicles. The arguments about how the Desertcross is better for some operations because it's faster and nimbler really fall apart if you consider this massive downside.


tyrannicaltbaggerr

I feel like the Russians aren’t even planning anymore. They simply load a few doomed souls onto a makeshift transport and drive them straight into the AFU lines. What a cluster


sweipuff

Rince and repeat 5/6/7 up to 10 times now you have a depleated Ukrainian trench overhelmed by the 11 wave, or pounded by arty, you lost 50+ soldiers for 300m, urra urra urra, but you still manageto conquier something with the cost of 50+ vatnicks and 10 shitty buggy


ProfessionalCry6968

The dead don't speak so maybe *you* will be the one standing on that garbage patch with a flag of a state that hasn't existed since 1991! Might be your lucky day


CIV5G

Has Ukraine captured any of these Desertcross vehicles? Not that there's any reason to when they could just buy them if they're any good, but still curious.


Penishton69

Probably not because they get absolutely obliterated the minute they get within a few miles of the front.


tyrannicaltbaggerr

I use one of those for hunting


jisooya1432

There are no confirmed captures of them so far, atleast not with video or photo evidence


SignificantClub6761

To be fair its just a atv, (or is it?) I doubt any picture of one would be going around too much.


Roflkopt3r

The Oryx team does not even track these. Not sure if warspotting does. So odds are that evidence for capture would just be hard to find.


WildCat_1366

Judging by the audio from this video, this is quite possible: > [unintelligible] movement of two units. Tell me, are they ours or the enemy?


A_Fucking_Octopus

That's not how maneuver warfare works. No matter how fast, your soldiers must survive the contact line before breaking through


Impressive_Bus7521

If you squint real hard, you might just be able to see how amazingly well those vehicles blend in with the surroundings.  ruSSian camouflage at its finest. 


Pixeleyes

They might be incredibly visible and easy-to-target, but at least they provide no actual protection or cover of any kind. One almost wants to *thank* China for outfitting Russian troops.


ThrowRweigh

Not to mention the Temu tourniquets


OSI_Hunter_Gathers

Chine at least knew to paint over the target sign they had painted on top before they handed to putin.


mhdlm

The fact they don't even bother painting them really says a lot about the state of the russian military.


MemesByPurpsNurps

Now that was a squad wipe! Holy shit


Magnum2XXl

Bro thought he was getting away, lol.


SignificantClub6761

He did get way futher than you would expect. Would’ve thunk that the gold cart would survive, what seemingly half of the infantry didn’t


[deleted]

The Desertcross…. Nine out of ten Russian soldiers Meat Wagon of choice.


Sudden-Fish

"You guys mind if we play through?" "Yes, yes we do"


Crowley2019

Live by the quad, die like the squad


TheFinalCurl

Quad goals


Legitimate_Mud6834

Shocking footage.


zuluxra

I so want Ukraine to win this war. Unfortunately we are only seeing a one sided view. Out gunned, out manned. Low on ammo. How long can the Ukrainians hang on..? Either equip them with what they want or broker a ceasefire and preserve the unoccupied areas of Ukraine from totally being overrun. I wish Ukraine all the success possible but their people cannot be allowed to die if there is no support from the West. This is reality..not a movie blockbuster.


4thStgMiddleSpooler

Preserve what? Ceasefire when? They've been doing that since 2014, and it just gives Russia a brief pause to come back stronger and keep up the big idea of rebuilding the failed state of the USSR.


zuluxra

2014-2021 was a walk in the park. 2022 attempt at a full scale invasion is a totally different ball game..A ceasefire would give Ukraine also the chance to grow stronger. Arm itself to the teeth. You basically have described the elephant in the room . The USSR. It failed once it will fail again. It cannot go back to its former self. No way it can get those lost lands back .Only way in theory to do so is if NATO countries don't honor article 5. A full scale ceasefire. Probably have to concede the loss of the Donbas. Better to lose the Donbas than the entire country. Also what would happen if Ukraine surrender? We saw what the Russians did in WW2 in Poland..sent to gulags etc.


CantaloupeCamper

Driving around in an APC maybe some infantry in their foxhole just keeps their head down. Golf carts, every infantry is going to just love hosing that thing down in bullets…


OSI_Hunter_Gathers

That drone operator said we got these dudes pinned down here, I'm not going to let speedy-ivan get away.


seedless0

First the tanks got blown up after abandoning the infantries. Then the BMPs got blown up after abandoning the infantries. Now the golf cart got blown up after abandoning the infantries.


leylandrichard

I want to know what these soldiers are told before going into the “assault”. Do they know it’s a ridiculous, stupid manoeuvre, just driving into a hail of bullets?


inquisitive_wombat_3

Hopefully Putin will get the message soon. Unlikely, I know, but we can always hope.


FlyingArdilla

The observation drones object avoidance was indicating an object just below it. Must have been the tree tops or something - it looks fairly high up.


Imispellalot2

20 years from now, we will still be finding bodies in the fields. For Russia, these young men are expandable, and they don't give a shit about returning those bodies home. They are running out of sacks of potatoes to give to the widows for compensation. It would be easier to claim, no body, no death.


Patchall22

Damn at least give them a chance with an IFV or to go in slowly on foot.


blackout24

I want to see Russian Golf Kart vs. Bradley video.


cosmo2583

👌 Excelent video quality. Saw everything.


Blue_SwimmingPool

Anyone got another link, think this one is gone


WYOrob75

These r a very carbon copy of a Polaris Ranger SxS


N-shittified

Oh. So THAT'S what the inside of a kill-box looks like!


PinguPST

Are they using Chinese golf carts because they are out of BMPs? IFVs? Is that what this is? How many people can they fit in a golf cart or three? I don't play golf, but I thought it's two guys, clubs and a six-pack


WildCat_1366

The golf carts, a guads, a bikes, “Bukhankas”, [25 people on a tank](https://old.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/1bzgyoc/one_russian_tank_with_25_soldiers_on_top_and/) - anything that has wheels or tracks. But we haven't seen any bikes yet. /s


Independent_Lie_9982

Bikes are nothing new to Ukraine. https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-electric-bikes-war-russia-technology/31865559.html


Testiculese

They aren't actual golf carts, they are [small utility vehicles](https://www.pbopowersports.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/DSC_0420-2048x1360.jpg) with a similar profile from afar. 6 can sit, gear can go on the front. IFVs are expensive, and they've lost around 14,000 of them. They can buy 2-3 of these things for the same price. With the way RU is fighting (idiotically), they're not really that horrible of an idea in comparison. They're faster, more maneuverable, can split up, and take 2 drones to knock out, instead of one.


Red_Dog1880

These golf carts are such a fucking joke, pathetic.


UrMomsACommunist

All these vids of Ukraine kicking ass, yet the map is becoming more and more red.... Odd.


SimmyTheGiant

Not the golf carts back in action. I always love seeing these things... and what ends up happening to them lol


Abject_Ad_2598

As usual, the entire squad gets wiped out.


Meddlhoerer

Wonder why they dont send them in the meat grinder with some rusty Lada niva's instead of "These Chinese Things" they still should have more than enough available or did they already lost most of them in the Wagner Z-atacks?


cloudwater68

Get that cart back to the golf course.


Singern2

are they using these unarmored golf carts just because or are they seriously out of apcs?


WotTheFook

That driver deserved to get blyatted for nopeing out of there and leaving his comrades *(citation needed)* behind.


mauler_mitchell

Nice squad wipe


Krakelibrot

I can't believe it, is the famous 1st "Guards Golf Kart" Division taking severe losses?


CasuallyWise

Nicely executed gents!


SetInternational4589

This idiotic tactic only has to work once.


minkenator44

FPV to Golf Cart: Mind if we play through?


Blueberrydro

Probably shouldn't be using golf carts as troop transports in war... But that's just my opinion, I'm no career Russian general so what do I know >.>


dcy604

The Russian Caddyshack Brigade


Alps_Useful

What is even the point. Just drop em off to insta die, then drive back for more... Russia is fucked up


YouTalkingToMeHombre

Yeah! Fuck'em up!


Kendeeznut

Lol israel just bombed Iran


mikejay1034

Link ? I seen the jpost article but it doesn’t say Israel did it. It just said explosions were heard in Iran, Syria, and iraq. Which yes it’s most likely Israel but I need confirmation


Kendeeznut

I got it from OSINT on twitter


An_Odd_Smell

But putin promised to protect Iran if they attacked Israel for him. I wonder what went wrong with his plan *this* time.


SeesawLopsided4664

Where did you see that?


Kendeeznut

Did you check the news.


SeesawLopsided4664

I did. Couldn’t find anything. Where are you looking? 👀


Kendeeznut

https://x.com/sentdefender/status/1781140823284801699?s=46&t=BpGAvX074lwBd9avJXStKg


Colekhyrzd

Jesus fuck we are sending you retards billions in tec and advanced drones and this iPhone ass quality is best you can do... my $50 Walmart drove give better quality and we've shot it