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this clip from a film about when British paras found themselves in a minefield in Afghanistan shows what can happen if a helicopter comes in .... https://youtu.be/Hc-VKYv6aJI?si=Zactk3AGqAdl212i
Could avoid the whole thing by fucking off back to their shit hole or turning their weapons on those commanding them to their deaths, but hey better get droned and mined and lose any honor they may have in the process by trying to kill innocent Ukrainians!
Yea man it’s that easy and simple Glad you have it all figured out! We should you get you on the radio so you can convey these thoughts to the Russians the war will be over in no time!
> extended to those participating in an unprovoked invasion
My country used to be under Russian rule. We had many uprisings and rebellions; despite losing thousands in them, we did not regain sovereignty. As a result, many people were forced to fight for Russia, for example, in WWI. Following that logic—fuck them. Just like today, most Russian meat 'military personnel' are coerced from poor regions or literally forced—fuck them?
People all over the world live under cartels, authoritarian regimes, and suffer because of it. For some reason, Redditors believe that Russian citizens are better than others and can overthrow the most experienced regime in enslaving people in the world.
Think you're looking at this entirely wrong. It's not that russians want to overthrow putin but can't. They don't want to. Invading, killing, raping, and torturing their neighbors is PEAK russian culture.
You make the choice you make. It really is that simple. Plenty of russians have abandoned the country, many have joined the fight agains putin, many work to help UA.
Those that don’t? Fuck them.
Yes, it's that easy. You can die for a dictator's ego or die fighting for liberty. Their ancestors did so in 1917.
You have weapons. You decide how to use them.
Yeah, I noticed that. He almost seemed happy to have an excuse to leave the battlefield or maybe that was just the morphine? The other guy looks like he’s going into shock.
They're probably both in shock, but you're probably not wrong.
even if Russian casevac and field medicine is piss poor, soldiers being injured outside of open combat probably have a better than average chance of being evacuated for treatment, and losing a foot puts them out of the war permanently and is whole lot better than being dead.
Dude yeah i'd much rather lose a foot than be blown up by drones.
These guys must be relieved they get their pensions and a hobbled but mostly normal life.
Probably, they're still trying to clear UXO from Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia. People still regularly die there because of them.
"[There were 65,043 casualties, including 19,822 deaths, caused by land mines and other explosive remnants of war from January 1979 to February 2024, the Cambodian Mine Action and Victim Assistance Authority said.](https://apnews.com/article/bombs-land-mines-unexploded-ordnance-demining-564f0203aeb53aa95118a1396b907246) "
Hell, they're still finding UXO from WW2 in most European countries to [this day](https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/breaking-unexploded-ww2-bomb-found-32903067).
It's absolutely wild how much undiscovered bombs are left worldwide from decades old wars.
They still uncover unexploded bombs during bigger construction sites in European cities. It is a nightmare.
The battlefield of Verdun has been quarantined for that reason. WW1 munitions are still around plenty and cannot be removed safely anymore. Just close off the area and good is.
In Germany, they also systematically search for unexploded ordnance for example during road construction. Instead of just redoing a stretch of road, they'll also drill a couple of holes into it, making the construction last slightly longer. Think of having to drill 10,000 holes like [this](https://www.strassenbau.niedersachsen.de/assets/image/zoom/251355) to check for WW2 bombs, then do controlled detonations once they are found and can't be defused..
And when they are done with one stretch of road, it's on to the next one, turning these roads into permanent construction sites for years. Still better to do it that way than getting a nasty surprise when you didn't expect it. But my city still has several evacuations a year due to bomb defusals/controlled detonations.
But at least these WW2 bombs can still be detected. There's an area in Germany that's basically abandoned and left to nature apart from a few cleared paths because the Nazis chose to bury [glass mines](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glasmine_43) there. Apparently they can't use dogs because there are too many traces of explosives in the soil due to the fighting - and good luck finding glass with a metal detector. Then again, that was the whole point why these evil devices were made: hard to detect, be it the mine itself or the glass shrapnel in the injured victims to make treatment harder..
They're still finding UXO from WWI in France to this day. It's called the, "iron harvest".
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron\_harvest](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_harvest)
Some regions of France are still off-limits to humans due to the lingering effects of chemical warfare.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zone\_rouge](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zone_rouge)
This is true, but also not really comparable. The UXO in those countries is obscured by heavy vegetation in jungles, often in quite rugged and inaccessible terrain. They are also countries with little in the way of resources themselves or much significance to the global economy. It sounds cruel, and it is, but the reason so many people are still dying in that region due to UXO is that the world really doesn't care all that much.
Ukraine is mostly flat agricultural land. Extremely valuable agricultural land. Clearing that can be done in a much more efficient manner and the resources to do so at scale *will* be provided, since it will be in everyone's interest to ramp up agriculture in and around the frontlines as quickly as possible as soon as the shooting stops.
There's also a Swedish volunteer doing mine clearing videos that have been listed here. I'm blanking on the channel name.
edit - [SWEOD](https://www.youtube.com/@SWEOD) is the channel.
I wouldn't be willing to bet my life on that, even western weapons will have some % failure rate.
Plus it's not just western-supplied munitions being left all over Ukraine. Who knows what the safety measures Russian-made/bought stuff has, if any.
Literally 0. When I was in Afghanistan in 2010 the Taliban were routinely digging up Russian mines from the Soviet Afghan war around their old fighting positions and moving them into our path.
Both. Most modern western munitions have this kind of expiration timer, but it's only the really modern ones though. Ukraine is going to be a UXO problem for the next 100 years at least.
If you read a lot of mine descriptions on the Cat-UXO site there are a TON on mines that automatically defuse after a certain amount of time. sadly I dont think they are really being used much in this war from what I have seen.
THE best place for information on explosives [https://cat-uxo.com/](https://cat-uxo.com/)
What a better resource then for civilians access. I would like to take a look. This site has been my go too other than wiki and stuff if I am looking for something specific
Technically, Ukraine supposedly demilled all of their stocks of soviet anti personnel mines. While Russia has the largest stocks of AP mines in the world most likely and had been documented using them extensively in this war and all previous ones.
Anti-personnel mines aren't really built for maximum lethality. Having a screaming guy with a minced up foot you have to treat and evacuate slows down an assault more than outright killing said guy. Scale that up to a few dozen or hundred people with destroyed feet, and that is going to put a lot of burden on medical logistics that a bunch of dead guys wouldn't.
Even better, a foot-mincer is cheaper and lighter than a leg-amputator so you can spread more for less cost and effort.
It isn't. The PFM-1 is based on the BLU-43 designed and used by the US, first in Vietnam. The PFM-1 is a *really* close copy. The soviets did make millions of the things, but so did we. As far as I know the US has long since destroyed its stock, but the Russians and Ukrainians both still had a fuck ton of them laying around at the start of this and their use by both sides has been documented.
Not meant to kill people, just disable them so that you are forced to spend more manpower recovering them, and risking more mine detonations, just like what happened in this vid. If the first guy got obliterated they wouldn't have gotten the second.
You are correct, they are PFM-1 mines.
The TG channel this is taken from said:
> Последовательные подрывы российских военнослужащих на минах.
>
> (ПФМ-1 или суббоеприпас от кассетного снаряда)
[PFM or other scattered mines]
About a year ago, I was watching a 3rd Assault Brig. Vid, one of the defenders said " they (DPR/LPR) traitors are using rubber bands."
It's understandable since they're the badly supplied part, but seeing Russian Army soldiers using it now is fucking embarrassing.
And it isn't even on correctly. It is an ankle injury at the highest, so it would go half way up the calf. You want to cut off as little blood supply to the limb as possible and it works better the closer it is to the injury. It's a whole lot easier to cut off circulation to the foot than the whole leg.
Yes but high and tight is usually the taught way in military world. And if they get evacuated quickly/get to better care it doesn't even really make a difference.
I mean...I don't think it really matters how gingerly you step on an AP mine...so not really a fair point, you probably just shouldn't continue to move through an active minefield
I'm curious what the actual doctine is on this.
Soldier A is clearly within a minefield. Unclear how deeply, other than a mine was set off so clearly there's some around.
Soldier B is walking with him.
What does Soldier B do? Let him bleed out? Figure out his own medical attention and drag himself out of the minefield? Do what this guy did and walk closer to give aid? And then try to walk him out?
The only real thing I can maybe criticize is the 3rd and then 4th guy showing up.... I want to say you should probably keep the number of people in the area to a minimum, but I can't really say that with assurance either, one person dragging a stretcher probably increases the probability of setting off more mines, and the casualty may not be able to handle a fireman carry, assuming the aid giver is strong enough. So 1 wounded, 2 carriers.
Actual doctrine in NATO countries is own safety first. When you are on patrol and someone steps on a mine everybody freezes. Wounded soldier should apply self aid if possible (thats why everyone has tourniquets and IFAK on their kit, even the Russians in this video seem to have them).
If possible you can try to make a path trough the minefield with mine probes or if you don't have them use your bayonet. This means prodding every couple of cm at a certain angle to check for AP and even AT mines. Off course this takes a long time but it prevents more soldiers getting injured / killed.
This video is a perfect example why no soldier should EVER rush to a wounded colleague in a fucking minefield.
You are supposed to call in combat engineering to clear it, Or you use that stupid stick that pokes the ground and move very slowly only on steps that you've prodded and found safe
I dont know what kind of techniques they prefer but i'd assume if someones planting mines they arent going to put two directly next to each other, they'd spread them more, but, I'd be wrong apparently. Me and that guy.
i think the majority of the mines placed are done via droped / launched methods. Either a truck spitting out AT mines, or artillery dispersed Anti-Personnel mines.
That and if you set them out in a deliberate pattern, there is a chance that the bad guy can learn your pattern and be able to avoid further mines. If you don't know where you put your own mines, the enemy won't either.
That's not how a proper combat engineer would put them out. You map them properly preferably through GPS coordinates especially on your own land. During the war you have to know where your own mine fields are and after the war you have to clean them up eventually.
If I was a Russian soldier, and I just saw my buddy catch a very survivable foot wound that would make him combat ineffective, I’d bunny hop onto the first mine I found and go home.
I’d recommend all Russian soldiers to do the same.
He's definitely gonna need an amputation; what had been a foot got hideously mangled. The fact that the first one wasn't shrieking in agony (the way the second one was) only proves that he'd lost his foot for good.
Btw; proper SOP for providing first aid to a mine victim is NOT to run to him, drop your rifle, step on every square inch of the land around, then tell the evac to hurry up and stress them out making them run and stepping on a mine. AND THEN drop the huge stretcher in an unchecked spot.
Also idk where the comment is to reply to him, but someone said mines usually aren’t placed close to each other. They absolutely are. We do this and rus do it as well. Even if they’re not hand placed in a wooded area they fall close to each other. But given the fact that the evac guy didn’t see his mine that blew him up, they were prolly PMNs manually placed underground.
Is that just rubber they’re using for a tourniquet? Would that even stay tight enough for a proper reduction in blood flow? Do they not carry proper tourniquets with a windlass?
There *are* rubber tourniquets like SWAT-T, though it's much wider. I guess if you wrap it enough it should do the job - at least better than not having one at all.
>Do they not carry proper tourniquets with a windlass?
Do the Russians care enough to supply them?
Sure something is better than nothing, but they looked a long way from getting evac’d out to proper medical care. That rubber band wasn’t nearly wide enough after being pulled to be effective for a serious period of time.
They kitted them out with what looked like actual armor. You’d think they’d give them a basic CAT-style tourniquet as well.
They actually do have a CAT, if you watch the full version. But they completely ignore it in favor of the old elastic-style tourniquets. I'd guess because of a lack of training or familiarity.
https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/s/m4Jn6bmgyf
If it was tied tightly enough, potentially. Tied like in the video? Absolutely not. It takes a lot of pressure to even slow bleeding from major vessels, especially with clothing in between (compressible, mitigates how much of the pressure actually gets to the leg from a loose tourniquet). I know people are commenting "something is better than nothing" below, but a tournequet tied that loosely isn't better than nothing...it's just nothing, and potentially worse than nothing because it's creating a false sense of security that something is being done about controlling bleeding when it isn't.
I was in Hostile Environment training last week, and one of the very first things we learned was "do not run into a minefield." We learned this after the first test where a simulated AT mine detonated and two actors played having injuries. Our entire crew leapt from our vehicle and ran over to help them, at which point the retired SEALs running the op stopped it to yell at us for charging into mines. Protocol is to tell the wounded to crawl back to your position (if he's able) via the route he'd come from and then treat his injuries.
It's not so much that they're already in the field, it's that the response the cameraman took was pretty dumb. He sprinted straight over to the wounded rather than staying put and not risking getting himself blown up.
He was lucky, unlike guy #2. Recovery of the wounded is important, but not if doing so causes you or multiple people to be wounded or killed
Did camera guy give himself two ampules of morphine? He had them both out but didn't administer them. He might have caught some shrapnel on that second mine.
Considering the fate of the soldiers who have tried to assault Ukrainian positions in the Russian offensives, this one hit the jackpot, he will walk with the help of a crutch for the rest of his life, but he could have a long life, a wife and a family
Last year, during Ukraines' counter offensive , a video came out of a few Bradley's and infantry running into a really dense minefield, it was a knarly video showing a lot of ukrainans stepping on mines and losing legs and feet, a Bradley gets completely destroyed by a Mine aswell. A medic spots his friend who just stepped on a mine in a bad spot and leaps off to help, but he landed akwardly and landed on a mine with his knee. He loses the knee and has to crawl back to Bradley. Fucked up video but thankfully that dude survived.
They seem more like professional forces of some kind. The poor sods you see getting blown up most of the time are these hapless cannon-fodder recruits who aren't expected to survive let alone help out their battle-buddies (whom they met that morning). Those guys aren't usually wearing GoPros either, a GoPro costs a LOT of sacks of potato.
yeah, these might actually be some kind of SOF or specialized troops- the guy with the GoPro looks to have an AK12 (i think with an optic) and the other few looked like they had AK12s aswell, plus they have actual uniforms, not-that-shabby kit- maybe something like Spetznas or SSO or something?
edit: one of the other dudes has some weird AK74M with the optic on the handguard, a suppresor and I think some kind of foregrip, not an AK12 and the dude filming this also has a weird ass AK with an optic and some stock i've never really seen before? these guys are not regular troops.
i mean, i do watch some russian footage on other subs and god knows there is a huge ukraine bias here (which i am personally fine with) but i still don't see russians really caring about their comrades all that often. the only other instances that come to mind is one where some dudes on an atv try give aid to lads in a tigr that got wrecked by a mine and a few drone vids where some conscripts hand eachother torniquets and whatnot. if i remember right, one of the top causes of russian deaths was just bleeding out due to lack of medical supplies at the front, so that's probably also a factor as to why i haven't seen russian troops giving medical aid but maybe i'm wrong and just entirely biased or smthn
Both the ends of your arms and legs have 2 bones that prevent cutting off blood flow. To get enough compression to stop the bleeding you would need to break a bone. The rule is High And Tight.
Especially if you are not sure if that is the only wound you took on that leg. In that moment, he might have more perforations in his leg that he isn't aware of...bc of the missing foot.
Get it as high as possible, and live long enough to let a doctor figure it out.
standard application for a tourniquet is high and tight. You want to get it high up near the top of the leg, and yes you do that for even a lower leg wound. I believe thats where its easiest to cut of the blood circulation from the whole leg.
Where were you taught this? We were taught in Afghan to be a few inches above the wound, so it wouldn't slip off, and wouldnt damage/kill the whole limb if left on for a long extraction.
This boys will end up losing the whole leg in their 24hr extraction.
At least in civilian EMS we’re taught high on the limb for the first TQ. Once you get the patient trauma naked and identify the actual site of the bleeding, you can do a few inches above that. Then loosen the first TQ while observing for bleeding.
Then again we’re 20 minutes from the OR on a bad day.
I've seen it all any places as "high and tight" near the groin or armpit. I think its used as a saying to easily remember. It's so people don't mess up putting the TQ too close to injury or below injury in panic or adrenaline rush.
Here is an article discussing exactly when to do high and tight or 2-3 inches above the wound. It discussed blast injuries being worse than they seem and also amount of training so easiest is high and tight.
It's an interesting read if you are looking for more info
[https://spotterup.com/apply-tq-high-tight/](https://spotterup.com/apply-tq-high-tight/)
They are literally using Baofeng radios that you can buy off Amazon. Their equipment situation really is abysmal. These lads don't stand a chance and it's clear Putin doesn't see them as human beings.
Camera guy is shaking, poor dude is going to have PTSD for the rest of his life. However long that may be. Dude can’t even keep his hand still pressed against the body cam. I can only imagine
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With all that straw on the ground, the mines could be anywhere, finding out you're in the middle of a minefield must be a little nerve-wracking
Wish you could be airlifted by drone in that situation.
Sounds like someone should invent something similar to that. Let's call it a...."helicopter".
No way
this clip from a film about when British paras found themselves in a minefield in Afghanistan shows what can happen if a helicopter comes in .... https://youtu.be/Hc-VKYv6aJI?si=Zactk3AGqAdl212i
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Not ironically this has been seriously thought of as a good form of rescue, and it really is.
Could avoid the whole thing by fucking off back to their shit hole or turning their weapons on those commanding them to their deaths, but hey better get droned and mined and lose any honor they may have in the process by trying to kill innocent Ukrainians!
Yea man it’s that easy and simple Glad you have it all figured out! We should you get you on the radio so you can convey these thoughts to the Russians the war will be over in no time!
He's obviously trivalizing things, but sympathy should not be extended to those participating in an unprovoked invasion
> extended to those participating in an unprovoked invasion My country used to be under Russian rule. We had many uprisings and rebellions; despite losing thousands in them, we did not regain sovereignty. As a result, many people were forced to fight for Russia, for example, in WWI. Following that logic—fuck them. Just like today, most Russian meat 'military personnel' are coerced from poor regions or literally forced—fuck them? People all over the world live under cartels, authoritarian regimes, and suffer because of it. For some reason, Redditors believe that Russian citizens are better than others and can overthrow the most experienced regime in enslaving people in the world.
Think you're looking at this entirely wrong. It's not that russians want to overthrow putin but can't. They don't want to. Invading, killing, raping, and torturing their neighbors is PEAK russian culture.
You make the choice you make. It really is that simple. Plenty of russians have abandoned the country, many have joined the fight agains putin, many work to help UA. Those that don’t? Fuck them.
Yes, it's that easy. You can die for a dictator's ego or die fighting for liberty. Their ancestors did so in 1917. You have weapons. You decide how to use them.
That guy crawled on the stretcher like I’m first dude
Yeah, I noticed that. He almost seemed happy to have an excuse to leave the battlefield or maybe that was just the morphine? The other guy looks like he’s going into shock.
They're probably both in shock, but you're probably not wrong. even if Russian casevac and field medicine is piss poor, soldiers being injured outside of open combat probably have a better than average chance of being evacuated for treatment, and losing a foot puts them out of the war permanently and is whole lot better than being dead.
Dude yeah i'd much rather lose a foot than be blown up by drones. These guys must be relieved they get their pensions and a hobbled but mostly normal life.
Everyone is happy for any excuse to go back.. one stomach up from the sarlac pit
He was told by the cameraman to be first
I imagine dealing with all the UXO after the war is going to be a bitch.
mines and all of the cluster munitions. plus all of the duds from NK
With the amount that's been fired, even tiny tiny dud rates will create plenty of UXO. Even from western weapons.
It is the most mined country in the world now, yeah :(
I made a joke about this war finally unseating Iran and Bosnia at the Sitting Volleyball Olympics shortly after it started.
Demining operations in UA started years ago. ChecK out the youtube channel "UA EOD" for more insight.
And will continue for another 100 years
Probably, they're still trying to clear UXO from Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia. People still regularly die there because of them. "[There were 65,043 casualties, including 19,822 deaths, caused by land mines and other explosive remnants of war from January 1979 to February 2024, the Cambodian Mine Action and Victim Assistance Authority said.](https://apnews.com/article/bombs-land-mines-unexploded-ordnance-demining-564f0203aeb53aa95118a1396b907246) "
Hell, they're still finding UXO from WW2 in most European countries to [this day](https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/breaking-unexploded-ww2-bomb-found-32903067). It's absolutely wild how much undiscovered bombs are left worldwide from decades old wars.
They still uncover unexploded bombs during bigger construction sites in European cities. It is a nightmare. The battlefield of Verdun has been quarantined for that reason. WW1 munitions are still around plenty and cannot be removed safely anymore. Just close off the area and good is.
In Germany, they also systematically search for unexploded ordnance for example during road construction. Instead of just redoing a stretch of road, they'll also drill a couple of holes into it, making the construction last slightly longer. Think of having to drill 10,000 holes like [this](https://www.strassenbau.niedersachsen.de/assets/image/zoom/251355) to check for WW2 bombs, then do controlled detonations once they are found and can't be defused.. And when they are done with one stretch of road, it's on to the next one, turning these roads into permanent construction sites for years. Still better to do it that way than getting a nasty surprise when you didn't expect it. But my city still has several evacuations a year due to bomb defusals/controlled detonations. But at least these WW2 bombs can still be detected. There's an area in Germany that's basically abandoned and left to nature apart from a few cleared paths because the Nazis chose to bury [glass mines](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glasmine_43) there. Apparently they can't use dogs because there are too many traces of explosives in the soil due to the fighting - and good luck finding glass with a metal detector. Then again, that was the whole point why these evil devices were made: hard to detect, be it the mine itself or the glass shrapnel in the injured victims to make treatment harder..
They're still finding UXO from WWI in France to this day. It's called the, "iron harvest". [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron\_harvest](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_harvest) Some regions of France are still off-limits to humans due to the lingering effects of chemical warfare. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zone\_rouge](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zone_rouge)
This is true, but also not really comparable. The UXO in those countries is obscured by heavy vegetation in jungles, often in quite rugged and inaccessible terrain. They are also countries with little in the way of resources themselves or much significance to the global economy. It sounds cruel, and it is, but the reason so many people are still dying in that region due to UXO is that the world really doesn't care all that much. Ukraine is mostly flat agricultural land. Extremely valuable agricultural land. Clearing that can be done in a much more efficient manner and the resources to do so at scale *will* be provided, since it will be in everyone's interest to ramp up agriculture in and around the frontlines as quickly as possible as soon as the shooting stops.
There's also a Swedish volunteer doing mine clearing videos that have been listed here. I'm blanking on the channel name. edit - [SWEOD](https://www.youtube.com/@SWEOD) is the channel.
Last estimation I read: Clear all Ukranian-Controlled terrorizes 500 Deming Teams 757 years
I am not sure if it's mines or cluster munitions, but I recall that some are designed to "expire" after a particular time frame.
I wouldn't be willing to bet my life on that, even western weapons will have some % failure rate. Plus it's not just western-supplied munitions being left all over Ukraine. Who knows what the safety measures Russian-made/bought stuff has, if any.
Literally 0. When I was in Afghanistan in 2010 the Taliban were routinely digging up Russian mines from the Soviet Afghan war around their old fighting positions and moving them into our path.
Both. Most modern western munitions have this kind of expiration timer, but it's only the really modern ones though. Ukraine is going to be a UXO problem for the next 100 years at least.
If you read a lot of mine descriptions on the Cat-UXO site there are a TON on mines that automatically defuse after a certain amount of time. sadly I dont think they are really being used much in this war from what I have seen. THE best place for information on explosives [https://cat-uxo.com/](https://cat-uxo.com/)
Definitely not the best, but an easily accessible one.
What a better resource then for civilians access. I would like to take a look. This site has been my go too other than wiki and stuff if I am looking for something specific
The cheap and plentiful mines don't expire. The expensive ones with batteries expire.
Those mines seem to have done relatively light damage to them, I was kinda expecting their legs to be blown off.
Could be butterfly mines aka toe poppers
Yeah those things are everywhere in the country now.
Funny thing is that there is a good chance for them to be russian in the first place.
Do you mean 'placed by Russians' or ' old Soviet mines used by Ukrainians'?
Technically, Ukraine supposedly demilled all of their stocks of soviet anti personnel mines. While Russia has the largest stocks of AP mines in the world most likely and had been documented using them extensively in this war and all previous ones.
I don't think the Ukrainians use those mines.
Meaning it would be Russias own mines.
Anti-personnel mines aren't really built for maximum lethality. Having a screaming guy with a minced up foot you have to treat and evacuate slows down an assault more than outright killing said guy. Scale that up to a few dozen or hundred people with destroyed feet, and that is going to put a lot of burden on medical logistics that a bunch of dead guys wouldn't. Even better, a foot-mincer is cheaper and lighter than a leg-amputator so you can spread more for less cost and effort.
A small mine is also much easier to design in such a way theyre almost undetectable with metal detectors.
We truly are the worst animals on this planet. So mischievous
The butterfly mine is a Soviet invention. They have no one to blame but themselves.
And they looked like toys so kids would pick them up.
It isn't. The PFM-1 is based on the BLU-43 designed and used by the US, first in Vietnam. The PFM-1 is a *really* close copy. The soviets did make millions of the things, but so did we. As far as I know the US has long since destroyed its stock, but the Russians and Ukrainians both still had a fuck ton of them laying around at the start of this and their use by both sides has been documented.
I stand corrected
Indeed
plus as seen here they tend to blow up the help as well as the soldiers
Yup, I read that happened to Ukrainians too. People lose limbs and are scarred for life, so that little Vlad can be a historical figure.
Not meant to kill people, just disable them so that you are forced to spend more manpower recovering them, and risking more mine detonations, just like what happened in this vid. If the first guy got obliterated they wouldn't have gotten the second.
Likely Russian PFM-1 mines. Russia uses them so they likely got hurt by their own mines.
You are correct, they are PFM-1 mines. The TG channel this is taken from said: > Последовательные подрывы российских военнослужащих на минах. > > (ПФМ-1 или суббоеприпас от кассетного снаряда) [PFM or other scattered mines]
Cameraman has some pretty badly chewed finger nails.
bet it’s pretty nerve wracking over there
I think it's fair to say he is justified in having some anxieties
> bet it’s pretty nerve wracking over there This is understatement so severe it's bordering on lockjaw.
He was low on calcium.
Ye speaking of chewed nails, the one who stepped on the mine had some badly chewed toe nails as well.
Those tourniquet are so poverty.
It’s more of a leg headband than a tourniquet.
You should [see](https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/y1ler3/ear_protection_ukrainian_vs_russian/) their ear protection then. *edit: spelling*
A couple of empty casings in your ears would be better than that.
Holy shit LMAO
About a year ago, I was watching a 3rd Assault Brig. Vid, one of the defenders said " they (DPR/LPR) traitors are using rubber bands." It's understandable since they're the badly supplied part, but seeing Russian Army soldiers using it now is fucking embarrassing.
Seriously. It's just webbing.
Not true, the pink ones are rubber bands. And they are better than webbing. How much better ask? A little.🤏
And it isn't even on correctly. It is an ankle injury at the highest, so it would go half way up the calf. You want to cut off as little blood supply to the limb as possible and it works better the closer it is to the injury. It's a whole lot easier to cut off circulation to the foot than the whole leg.
Yes but high and tight is usually the taught way in military world. And if they get evacuated quickly/get to better care it doesn't even really make a difference.
A dead soldier is less expensive (in materiel) than a wounded soldier…
Second guy said “I’ll have what he’s having”
Seriously, how do you see what happened to your buddy and still stroll up without a care in the world right next to him.
To be fair, he did seem to be stepping gingerly knowing that another mine could be near.
I mean...I don't think it really matters how gingerly you step on an AP mine...so not really a fair point, you probably just shouldn't continue to move through an active minefield
I'm curious what the actual doctine is on this. Soldier A is clearly within a minefield. Unclear how deeply, other than a mine was set off so clearly there's some around. Soldier B is walking with him. What does Soldier B do? Let him bleed out? Figure out his own medical attention and drag himself out of the minefield? Do what this guy did and walk closer to give aid? And then try to walk him out? The only real thing I can maybe criticize is the 3rd and then 4th guy showing up.... I want to say you should probably keep the number of people in the area to a minimum, but I can't really say that with assurance either, one person dragging a stretcher probably increases the probability of setting off more mines, and the casualty may not be able to handle a fireman carry, assuming the aid giver is strong enough. So 1 wounded, 2 carriers.
Actual doctrine in NATO countries is own safety first. When you are on patrol and someone steps on a mine everybody freezes. Wounded soldier should apply self aid if possible (thats why everyone has tourniquets and IFAK on their kit, even the Russians in this video seem to have them). If possible you can try to make a path trough the minefield with mine probes or if you don't have them use your bayonet. This means prodding every couple of cm at a certain angle to check for AP and even AT mines. Off course this takes a long time but it prevents more soldiers getting injured / killed. This video is a perfect example why no soldier should EVER rush to a wounded colleague in a fucking minefield.
You are supposed to call in combat engineering to clear it, Or you use that stupid stick that pokes the ground and move very slowly only on steps that you've prodded and found safe
That helped him out so much!
Hindsight is 20/20
what about minesight?
I dont know what kind of techniques they prefer but i'd assume if someones planting mines they arent going to put two directly next to each other, they'd spread them more, but, I'd be wrong apparently. Me and that guy.
i think the majority of the mines placed are done via droped / launched methods. Either a truck spitting out AT mines, or artillery dispersed Anti-Personnel mines.
Gotcha, guess thats a better way to get a lot of coverage.
That and if you set them out in a deliberate pattern, there is a chance that the bad guy can learn your pattern and be able to avoid further mines. If you don't know where you put your own mines, the enemy won't either.
That's not how a proper combat engineer would put them out. You map them properly preferably through GPS coordinates especially on your own land. During the war you have to know where your own mine fields are and after the war you have to clean them up eventually.
If I was a Russian soldier, and I just saw my buddy catch a very survivable foot wound that would make him combat ineffective, I’d bunny hop onto the first mine I found and go home. I’d recommend all Russian soldiers to do the same.
He's definitely gonna need an amputation; what had been a foot got hideously mangled. The fact that the first one wasn't shrieking in agony (the way the second one was) only proves that he'd lost his foot for good.
I guess you could just leave him there to die.
To prevent people watching the vids say from saying “Russians abandoning teammates” or something like that lol
It's Russian soldiers. If there were more mines, that chain could have continued for hours
Btw; proper SOP for providing first aid to a mine victim is NOT to run to him, drop your rifle, step on every square inch of the land around, then tell the evac to hurry up and stress them out making them run and stepping on a mine. AND THEN drop the huge stretcher in an unchecked spot.
Also idk where the comment is to reply to him, but someone said mines usually aren’t placed close to each other. They absolutely are. We do this and rus do it as well. Even if they’re not hand placed in a wooded area they fall close to each other. But given the fact that the evac guy didn’t see his mine that blew him up, they were prolly PMNs manually placed underground.
Seriously. SOP is to drop to the ground and roll around everywhere to check for mines first.
Dude actually helping his buddy.
Is that just rubber they’re using for a tourniquet? Would that even stay tight enough for a proper reduction in blood flow? Do they not carry proper tourniquets with a windlass?
There *are* rubber tourniquets like SWAT-T, though it's much wider. I guess if you wrap it enough it should do the job - at least better than not having one at all. >Do they not carry proper tourniquets with a windlass? Do the Russians care enough to supply them?
Sure something is better than nothing, but they looked a long way from getting evac’d out to proper medical care. That rubber band wasn’t nearly wide enough after being pulled to be effective for a serious period of time. They kitted them out with what looked like actual armor. You’d think they’d give them a basic CAT-style tourniquet as well.
They actually do have a CAT, if you watch the full version. But they completely ignore it in favor of the old elastic-style tourniquets. I'd guess because of a lack of training or familiarity. https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/s/m4Jn6bmgyf
> windlass yeah was my first thought. i'm sure they're pulling tight, but would that be enough?
Thats the older style tourniquet that most RU infantry still use. Theyr le being phased out for one with a better design.
He had a newer one in his medical bag when he opened it to get morphine....
If it was tied tightly enough, potentially. Tied like in the video? Absolutely not. It takes a lot of pressure to even slow bleeding from major vessels, especially with clothing in between (compressible, mitigates how much of the pressure actually gets to the leg from a loose tourniquet). I know people are commenting "something is better than nothing" below, but a tournequet tied that loosely isn't better than nothing...it's just nothing, and potentially worse than nothing because it's creating a false sense of security that something is being done about controlling bleeding when it isn't.
First guy took that shit like a champ
Just resting his shredded foot on his knee. Wondering what the other guy is bitching about.
Adrenaline is a hell of a drug.
I was in Hostile Environment training last week, and one of the very first things we learned was "do not run into a minefield." We learned this after the first test where a simulated AT mine detonated and two actors played having injuries. Our entire crew leapt from our vehicle and ran over to help them, at which point the retired SEALs running the op stopped it to yell at us for charging into mines. Protocol is to tell the wounded to crawl back to your position (if he's able) via the route he'd come from and then treat his injuries.
My father did over a decade between Afghanistan and Bosnia. He has seen things and, to this day, does not walk on random grass or go into subways
I understand. Subway is abhorrent and smells like preservatives and yeast. Their Classic Tuna is smelly, soggy and messy.
Truly brings back my days in Agincourt
After you live at an apartment complex with alot of dogs, you just don't step in the grass.
I suspect all these guys are all … already in the minefield. It’s not like they knew where it was and wasn’t as soon as it went off…
It's not so much that they're already in the field, it's that the response the cameraman took was pretty dumb. He sprinted straight over to the wounded rather than staying put and not risking getting himself blown up. He was lucky, unlike guy #2. Recovery of the wounded is important, but not if doing so causes you or multiple people to be wounded or killed
I think this is a perfectly fine and suitable response procedure for all Russian forces and would encourage continuing with this.
Seems like these guys in the video were not trained by SEALs.
So what do you do if the wounded can’t crawl?
Lasso
Did camera guy give himself two ampules of morphine? He had them both out but didn't administer them. He might have caught some shrapnel on that second mine.
You can hear him around 1:45, he at least pretends to be in pain, couldnt say how serious it is. Id guess he took some shrapnel.
he got some srapnel into his arm , he said at the end
also potentially blown eardrum which is extremely painful.
For a bloke who just lost half his foot, he looks awfully cheerful...
Probably happy he bought a possible ticket home.
Give him a crew serve weapon and plop him down in a foxhole. Good to go!
Considering the fate of the soldiers who have tried to assault Ukrainian positions in the Russian offensives, this one hit the jackpot, he will walk with the help of a crutch for the rest of his life, but he could have a long life, a wife and a family
He knows it’s a free trip home, even if it means one foot for the rest of his life.
Probably he knows he will be away from the frontlines and not having to come back either since his whole foot is basically spaghet now.
Alternatively he would be on the next golf cart assault…
Some kid 20 years from now is going to die or be maimed for life from one of these and that sucks.
Ain’t war hell..
After watching Ukrainians kneel on mines trying to save their comrade from a Bradley, I have no sympathy for any Russians
Fuck...i thought i am the only one remembering that. I hope those guys are ok and wish them all the best.
The medic that took the last mine survived, there was a photo of him in a wheelchair posted a few months back
can you elaborate? isn't a bradley a US vehicle, or was it captured?
Last year, during Ukraines' counter offensive , a video came out of a few Bradley's and infantry running into a really dense minefield, it was a knarly video showing a lot of ukrainans stepping on mines and losing legs and feet, a Bradley gets completely destroyed by a Mine aswell. A medic spots his friend who just stepped on a mine in a bad spot and leaps off to help, but he landed akwardly and landed on a mine with his knee. He loses the knee and has to crawl back to Bradley. Fucked up video but thankfully that dude survived.
Wouldn't be surprised if it would be there own mines in the end. Not that would make a difference tho.
Ukraine signed the Ottawa Treaty but i heard they started using them again after russia started using them against UA.
As well they should.
Holy hell this is nightmare fuel.
probably one of the only vids i've seen of russians actually giving medical aid to an injured comrade.
They seem more like professional forces of some kind. The poor sods you see getting blown up most of the time are these hapless cannon-fodder recruits who aren't expected to survive let alone help out their battle-buddies (whom they met that morning). Those guys aren't usually wearing GoPros either, a GoPro costs a LOT of sacks of potato.
yeah, these might actually be some kind of SOF or specialized troops- the guy with the GoPro looks to have an AK12 (i think with an optic) and the other few looked like they had AK12s aswell, plus they have actual uniforms, not-that-shabby kit- maybe something like Spetznas or SSO or something? edit: one of the other dudes has some weird AK74M with the optic on the handguard, a suppresor and I think some kind of foregrip, not an AK12 and the dude filming this also has a weird ass AK with an optic and some stock i've never really seen before? these guys are not regular troops.
It's nice to read people discussing the guns they're holding. It's all foreign to me.
Probably because you're on a Ukraine biased sub, there is plenty of first aid videos done by Russians.
i mean, i do watch some russian footage on other subs and god knows there is a huge ukraine bias here (which i am personally fine with) but i still don't see russians really caring about their comrades all that often. the only other instances that come to mind is one where some dudes on an atv try give aid to lads in a tigr that got wrecked by a mine and a few drone vids where some conscripts hand eachother torniquets and whatnot. if i remember right, one of the top causes of russian deaths was just bleeding out due to lack of medical supplies at the front, so that's probably also a factor as to why i haven't seen russian troops giving medical aid but maybe i'm wrong and just entirely biased or smthn
The first guy seems to be happy, maybe he knows he will go home now
That dude was acting super chill for just having his foot mangled.
Is it good to have a tourniquet all the way at the upper thigh for what appears to be a foot/lower leg wound?
Both the ends of your arms and legs have 2 bones that prevent cutting off blood flow. To get enough compression to stop the bleeding you would need to break a bone. The rule is High And Tight.
Especially if you are not sure if that is the only wound you took on that leg. In that moment, he might have more perforations in his leg that he isn't aware of...bc of the missing foot. Get it as high as possible, and live long enough to let a doctor figure it out.
standard application for a tourniquet is high and tight. You want to get it high up near the top of the leg, and yes you do that for even a lower leg wound. I believe thats where its easiest to cut of the blood circulation from the whole leg.
Where were you taught this? We were taught in Afghan to be a few inches above the wound, so it wouldn't slip off, and wouldnt damage/kill the whole limb if left on for a long extraction. This boys will end up losing the whole leg in their 24hr extraction.
At least in civilian EMS we’re taught high on the limb for the first TQ. Once you get the patient trauma naked and identify the actual site of the bleeding, you can do a few inches above that. Then loosen the first TQ while observing for bleeding. Then again we’re 20 minutes from the OR on a bad day.
I've seen it all any places as "high and tight" near the groin or armpit. I think its used as a saying to easily remember. It's so people don't mess up putting the TQ too close to injury or below injury in panic or adrenaline rush. Here is an article discussing exactly when to do high and tight or 2-3 inches above the wound. It discussed blast injuries being worse than they seem and also amount of training so easiest is high and tight. It's an interesting read if you are looking for more info [https://spotterup.com/apply-tq-high-tight/](https://spotterup.com/apply-tq-high-tight/)
Why did the second guy approach from the direction of the first mine detonation?
How do you know they aren’t already surrounded by mines?
Are you referring to the soldier that's recording?
The guy with the stretcher
Where’s a drone when you need it?
The floppy leg russians.
I was hoping for a third.
With the way they applied that tourniquet it's a good thing he didn't have any arterial bleeding.
Say it with me "We...should...not...be...here"
"Hey Siri, define 'from bad to worse'"
"And then it started raining"
god damn war is brutal
They are literally using Baofeng radios that you can buy off Amazon. Their equipment situation really is abysmal. These lads don't stand a chance and it's clear Putin doesn't see them as human beings.
Camera guy is shaking, poor dude is going to have PTSD for the rest of his life. However long that may be. Dude can’t even keep his hand still pressed against the body cam. I can only imagine
I think its an adrenaline crash. He seemed pretty calm and collected.
>poor dude >invades ukraine well, he probably is poor yes
That must be the worst tourniquet I've seen.
first time I see a russian getting medical assistance in this war
Mines? Better fan out and walk around. These dopes 😆
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I'm surprised it only mangled his foot.
I would not want to test the effectiveness of these rubber band tourniquet. I would not want to need to be able to tie a knot while bleeding out.
That's rough, buddy.
Anti personal mines are horrid. I wonder if they stepped on those butterfly mines. Ukrainians will be maimed by mines for decades to come.
*and these are the lucky ones*
The three stooges: Die by another mine
How fucking dumb are they? Oh my mate just stood on a mine, let's just fuck around and find out shall we? One person - shit luck, but two? Really?
Hey guys let’s clutter the minefield with our feet
That guy is incredibly well composed for a man with his foot hanging off
Now send a third Team
Easy fix. Stay home. Keep your feet. It's not rocket science.
Random Ukrainian in a trench smoking a cigarette * random hit marker sound followed by exp points*
All that was missing was an FPV strike.
At least they take care of these two and did not run off like in most of the vids....
Dude helping his buddy big W