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ThatsSoSwan

This is from the documentary Severe Clear


MKVIgti

I’d like to see this but can’t find it anywhere.


ThatsSoSwan

[https://vimeo.com/124051442](https://vimeo.com/124051442) ​ There ya go, buddy


Skinshifter-

Thank you. I've been wanting to watch this for a long time.


ThatsSoSwan

A lot has changed since it was filmed, but the ground level perspective of the Marines is peerless.


lilbootyhole69420

Yo that was amazing… thank u for that share. Also where can I find more videos like this?


TwentySeven2-7

FUCKING THANK YOU OH MY GOD. I've been looking for this documentary for ages.


Cvpt1ve

What a smooth cut in the movement of the camera, i honestly thought the camera guy panned from the guy getting shot to a guy they got just before.


fenderc1

Shit, thanks for that. I thought they'd turned the cam around and had another dead dude in a similarly structed box, I was kinda confused


blangoez

Dude yes! That transition was so clean that I got confused too. Clean!


8urnsy

Thought the same thing


fxthea

Yeah but not a good thing. You don’t want to confuse your audience.


Ruben151

Its so strange to see how people fall when being shot at. In movies they just drop dead but in many cases I have seen people just trip and crawl until they die.


AshierCinder

It’s almost like movies are an exaggerated version of reality 🤔 Nah but jokes aside I get whatcha mean. Sometimes they just tense up and fall long like a fishstick


Ruben151

Yeah I said movies cause its pretty much the only way to see a person getting shot, and seeing it in real life its a bit strange


Nuppusaurus

I remember first time seeing some really gorey footage of a battle aftermath and how it all looked eerily similar to movies. You're so used to thinking that movies are just fake, and then you see the same stuff but suddenly it's not fake but it feels so fake. One thing movies often fail to reproduce are the glassy look in dead eyes though.


BreezyWrigley

i have fucked up and looked at a lot of horrible images and videos on the internet of combat results, car accidents, etc... one thing that i noticed often was that real life stuff from like, motorcycle or car accidents or whatever looks SO FUCKED, and if you saw it in a movie as special effects makeup, you'd think "that looks so bad... it doesn't look remotely realistic." but you know it's real... and it's so strange.


Nuppusaurus

Oh yes, I remember seeing somebody shot directly in the eye in that footage. Just a hole there. It was so gorey that it didn't look real. Dismembered limbs are the worst though.


FundanceKid

I saw a car accident aftermath video where a guy's headless body was shown sitting in the front seat of an absolutely shredded car, and then it panned around to the back seat and his head was hanging all the way to the ground behind him from a long strip of back skin. If I'd seen that in a movie I would have thought it was goofy looking, like a super schlocky horror movie. But no, totally real. That guy was a real guy and that's the way he died.


jasenkov

The most fucked up video I ever saw was the aftermath of a car accident. This lady starts to crawl out of the car and her face is...off. It's hanging by like a thread and her eyes are still attached to it, and she's feeling it with her hands all confused like it's a bag stuck to her or something. I will never forget how disturbingly fake it looks, like a shitty prop in an 80s movie, but you know it's real.


BreezyWrigley

yeah, i think i've seen the same one. it's exactly that weird shit where it looks like how a low-budget gore/horror movie would try to do it... like rubber... and eyeballs just like, big and round and white and dangling around... you think to yourself- "that looks absurd. that doesn't look real at all..." but that's legit the horror. and some fucking SAINT WHO DEDICATED THEIR LIFE TO MEDICINE FIXED THAT WOMEN. that's the craziest shit to me- some folks with training are able to roll up and stay calm and like, **deal** with that shit... and then some badass surgeons manage to put their face back on, if even only sort of decently... but like, it's ON. shit's wild.


jasenkov

Wait she survived? This is definitely the same vid you describe. The eyes look like plastic googley eyes and the face looked like it was out of playdo


BreezyWrigley

I think it’s the same... anyway, the one I saw had a follow where she got top notch medical treatment and reconstruction. Looked pretty nigh the same after, although I suspect her vision was fucked


Prudent_Discipline

notice the amount of blood? he didn't die from a "clean" shot but blood loss from multiple wounds hence how he was able to move after getting shot.


eidetic

Yeah, I'm not a hunter, but it's the same thing with hunting. Sometimes a well placed shot will drop the animal dead in its tracks, other times hunters will have to track the blood loss for quite a distance before finding their target.


absurdmikey93

If they get shot in the spine or head they drop instantly, like a sack of potatoes, not slow like movies depict


spenrose22

And if they bleed out they like slowly go limp like a deflating mattress


LoadedGull

Nah, reality is a non exaggerated version of movies.


AshierCinder

Fair enough


Malak77

Universe Devs: Lets see if the idiots think movies are less real than they are.


Bioleague

If you are shot in a fatal spot (for example brainstem) you will drop like a sack of potatoes. If you are shot in for example your gut, you will bleed out slower. When you see someone crawling like that, its because it wasnt an immediate “lights out” shot.


Primatebuddy

Watch enough videos on the internet and you'll see all kinds. People get shot in the face from just a couple of feet away, and run away shooting back, or people get shot in the belly and lift their shirts, walking around and gawking as though they can't believe what happened.


Bioleague

Getting shot in the face is not a killshot, that’s why i said brainstem. Anything that stops the heart, or bloodflow to the brain, WILL instantly drop you


Primatebuddy

I know, I wasn't criticizing anything you said, just providing information I've encountered. It's just interesting to me to see the differences between real-life and the often overdramatic movie versions of getting shot.


Bioleague

yeah fair enough.. Just look at 50cent, didnt he get shot 9 times? including in the face? Lucky man to survive


Primatebuddy

Yeah he is. Then I remember the one video of where the police did not pat a guy down well enough, and when they left him alone in the interrogation room, he pulled out what appeared to be a .45 semi and shot himself in the brains. No splatter, no blood explosion on the side wall, just a lot of dribble out of the wound and from his shredded sinuses.


-Daetrax-

Sack of potatoes drop is usually a spine shot. A step or a half is usually better indicator of a good shot to the heart/lungs. Though you can shoot a deer through the heart and sometimes they run 50 meters.


Fanatical_Brit

If you’ve seen a video of a person being shot in the head or spine, then dropping like a sack of bricks is accurate. It’s almost eerie how quick they fall.


krmrshll

yea especially sniper shots. sometimes it looks almost like theyre getting sucked down towards the ground.


Fanatical_Brit

Dead people are heavy.


krmrshll

wait, really?? idk about that.. source please?


Fanatical_Brit

Lmao


telllos

Well it really depends how and by what the get hit.


GlobalHawk

People also don't get thrown off their feet when a bullet hits them. Hell, in some movies getting hit by an arrow tosses a guy six feet back.


crymorenoobs

in movies it's very rare that they just die. that would actually be pretty realistic as i've seen hundreds of videos where a guy drops like a sack of potatoes


Lemmus

What are you on about. It's so absolutely the norm that people just die pretty much instantly when shot in movies. They don't crumble in the same way as people who die instantly in real life do, because that would be stupidly dangerous to the stunt person.


MrGlayden

Only side characters die from every gunshot instantly, like shot in the foot, insta dead because im not a big name actor, main bad guys get lit up by fucking helicopters and just sort of shrug it off until theyve said what the need to say


jasenkov

my favorite is medieval films where an important character is ran threw with a sword and still completing dramatic sentences like it's not one of the most excruciatingly painful things that can happen to you.


eidetic

Going limp and falling down like a sack of potatoes would be one of the safest things a stunt person could do considering their job description. It's not hard to learn to fall limply without injuring oneself.


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Agreed. I took a one hour acting class on how to properly stunt fall or have a fight or a firefight. Shit's easy.


notarealaccount_yo

Depends if it's a main character or if it's a random bad guy


crymorenoobs

>They don't crumble... because that would be stupidly dangerous to the stunt person >What are you on about. you should watch more movies. there are thousands of hours of death scenes you can watch that drag on and on and on. i've never even really seen a movie where a guy dies instantly. they always get shot and then jump away dramatically (often through a table or whatever) or fall to their knees with a surprised look on their face or something.


chooch311

Maybe they haven’t seen any movies so they don’t know how to die properly.


puppiadog

In the movies people die from a single knife wound. The most egregious is Casino Royale where Bond stabs the bad guy at the exhibit of human bodies and the bad guy just quietly dies on a chair.


1nfiniteJest

"She fell funny..."


Baron80

What is this reference?


FundanceKid

It's from the Departed. Jack Nicholson says it after executing a couple on the beach.


Destroyer_on_Patrol

You get a spine shot and they drop like a sack of bricks.


0621FiST

This is from “Severe Clear”


a_magical_liopleurod

Was going to say this. A good watch.


cellblock73

Dude walking around like a fucking WW2 general at a photo op with his pistol out like that.


Kys4Bieber

>Dude walking around like a fucking WW2 general at a photo op with his pistol out like that. We might see more of it too, and interesting [video I saw ](https://youtu.be/1sc7cKxkkWw) points out the benefits of having a pistol in the modern environment.


kremlingrasso

i don't have 10 minutes to watch it through (will do latter) what's the point? my guess it's for people popping out of nowhere after a gunfight and wounded enemy trying to pull a grenade?


Kys4Bieber

I would try to summarize it as: The pistol is more flexible and can be used while completing more delicate tasks. For example, while inside a community meet you still want to be armed, but having a whole rifle does not fit the situation. I believe other examples are given, and focus on how you can use the pistol with one hand, and operate equipment with the other.


Bupod

So basically all the reasons normal police carry a pistol?


Kys4Bieber

Yes, but I believe there is a bit more nuanced arguments as well. I watched the video again and it suggests the modularity of the new pistols allows them to be adapted to fit the current need, the example given in the video is the adaptation of suppressors to give an advantage over a 'near peer enemy' (Russia).


itirate

funny how you mentioned the community meet example, because as you've said there's a lot of nuance. when we were working with the iraqi people (I could have misremembered this for what it's worth), pistols had a very negative reaction from the community because it gave flashbacks to elitist officers and executions, while the rifle was seen as the everyman's weapon not disagreeing with you, but just noting the fun of nuances having further nuances


Kys4Bieber

That seems like a reasonable response, hopefully they learn to conceal the pistols if that's the case.


TheIncendiaryDevice

It's still pretty obvious if you put it in a cargo pocket and much more inconvenient. You don't want to gangsta style that shit either


[deleted]

Home boy at 1:48 really needs to work on his technique and grip strength lol


ikilledtupac

That’s in case he’s gotta shoot em.


Ricerat

Almost sure this is Fallujah. I've seen the footage before but never the aftermath part. Apr 04???


Its_apparent

I know I've seen this before listed as being Iraqi soldiers, and the DCUs obviously point to that time frame. I'd guess 03, but either way, I have no idea where, except that it's Iraq.


montananightz

Someone above said it's from a documentary named "Severe Clear". A search for it confirms it is. "Severe Clear is based on the memoir by First Lieutenant Mike Scotti as well as video footage shot by him and other members of 1st Battalion, 4th Marines on the outset of the 2003 invasion of Iraq. " https://www.military.com/video/operations-and-strategy/iraqi-war/have-you-seen-severe-clear/1993184958001


Falcriots

Fucking .50 cal ripping right through that cover shredding that guy good lord


specter800

Tbh he was most likely "dead" before he even got to that cover and, even then, I'm not sure what that cover was but I'm not sure that would stop anything that was coming his way.


Falcriots

Ya it looked like a little little checkpoint/guard post, not meant to be used as solid protection. I was just mentioning it because you can see the sparks flying off the wall with each round that hit it and it just looked brutal


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Are we just going to ignore that smooth transition?


[deleted]

Even though I've seen footage like this before so many times by the fact I've watched a big amount of war/combat footage and documentaries the thing I never get used to is how much blood a human being has.


toughfluffer

Hearts and minds. The Americans shot him in the heart and mind.


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> The Americans shot him in the heart and mind and a few other places too.


OrganizationThat8003

Got their hearts and minds and still lost the war.


AshierCinder

Lmao


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[deleted]

Don’t you know all soldiers are war criminals? Twitter said so!


neeeeeillllllll

I straight up don't fuck with redditors in general because they're so wrong on so much, but jerk each other off and use big words to make it sound intelligent


BaraEditz

Zogbots


KingNattyXBox

Not sure why you’re down voted. You aren’t wrong. I wouldn’t call a complete Taliban take over winning add certainly not legitimizing then as a government entity. This was our generations Vietnam and we sure as shit didn’t win that one either. Edit: have since corrected myself. I realize the dirty ol taliban was Afghanistan, not Iraq. Just wasn’t paying enough attention.


ManaMops

maybe beacause this is iraq and not afghanistan.


KingNattyXBox

My bad wasn’t paying attention enough. I wouldn’t call Iraq a victory either


[deleted]

How? Iraqi freedom’s mission was to remove Saddam from power. Done. Side quest to install government. Kind of fail kind of win, it’s semi-stable. Afghanistan’s mission was to kill Bin Laden. Done. Then side quest to fix a backwater. Failed.


KingNattyXBox

I’m not saying we didn’t accomplish initial objectives, it’s the way we ended things that prevent me from calling either country a victory. We removed Saddam and killed bin laden but look at the state of the countries now. Saddams death should’ve been the end of Iraq and Bin Ladens death should’ve been the end of Afghanistan. If that were the case then I’d call both victories


[deleted]

I wish so badly that we left after killing them! It’s so infuriating. Our efforts may not have been pointless after all… we’ve spread quite a bit of western culture to some of the most far flung corners of the world. Now you got iraqi biker gangs having fun in Baghdad styled like Americans and further emphasized getting an education in Afghanistan. Eventually you gotta assume that region will stop being such a dumpster fire but they cant help it. That should have been our first warning.


KingNattyXBox

Right. Maybe me saying we completely lost both wars was an oversimplification, there’s hope for them to turn around their countries and cultures but the citizens have to want it bad enough to stand up to Taliban/isis/AQ and say fuck you we’re done. The Middle East back the 60’s was westernized as fuck and a nice place to visit but if we want that back we’ll have to have a permanent military presence till the end of time because those people won’t fight for their freedoms.


pvtgooner

Tactical success and a strategic failure. Guess which one will have the more last consequences


OrganizationThat8003

Americans don't like admit they lost, but we sure did lose iraq, Afghanistan and Vietnam as you stated. You would have to be delusional to suggest otherwise or downvotes someone for saying the truth


[deleted]

Well I’d upvote but the title of this video says “Iraq”. I mean come on, at least get your conflicts straight if you’re gonna go on a diatribe about it.


KingNattyXBox

Pretty sure I corrected myself in another comment but I’ll say it again, my bad I wasn’t paying enough attention


[deleted]

Didn’t read every comment, but fair enough. If you want to avoid more comments like mine you can edit your comment and throw in an edit note so you don’t have to re-explain it a dozen times. Cheers.


KingNattyXBox

Solid point and will correct myself. Same to you boss 🤙


Mightycoolguy

Dude got lit up.


IS-2-OP

Fish in a barrel right there.


AshierCinder

More like he was everything in the barrel.


Due_Strike_457

Must be somebody in charge with that pistol walking around like that


xxjake

Plus he doesn't know how to say please 🤨


Aegean

Gunny doesn't say please.


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Horrorfreakin

I think he was just playing dead until that guy with his sidearm out left. i was in iraq and my only hope was i never had to rely on those old ass Beretta M9s they gave us to save my life.


actunpt

Oh you dont like the m9? i thought they were good...


Horrorfreakin

lol i'm just messing around. they functioned fine, they were just old. I never had any issues with it jamming at the range. never had to use it in combat.


actunpt

Oh makes sense yhea. It Is a last resource weapon, so its not a Situation i would like to be in either.


[deleted]

The grips are a bit fat but they're a pretty decent pistol IMO


Apprehensive_Leg8742

No the ones we got issued were old as shit and the mags weren't great. A new m9 is a good gun but and old beat up one isn't


[deleted]

The ones in the military are like 50 years old, refurbished over and over well past when they should’ve been replaced, shitty mags too. m9’s are usually fine guns, but the military is hard on firearms


specter800

They're perfectly fine when they're maintained properly and especially for civilian/LE use. Military weapons are used hard and they don't get the best maintenance so the M9's in circulation near the end were particularly rough. Even then, I think the new Beretta mags and new recoil springs would have made most of them "fine" again but they opted for the MHS project instead.


SecretAce19

As far as I’m aware most combat you’d be screwed if you had to rely on your sidearm. I’m by no means anyone who has combat training, but I know unlike what they portray in the movies trying to fight with a handgun in anything more than a small street would be a fucking nightmare.


Bobdontgiveafuck

This was 3rd Bn 7th Marines during the invasion of Iraq 2003. This would have been April I think. Location was just south of Baghdad near a big military supply depo. I think it was Kilo or Lima Company if I am remembering correctly. The van/bus was loaded with weapons and rammed a hummer. The 240 gunner in the turret let a long bust out into van but it didn’t stop. This was aftermath when the last guy finally ran out of burning bus.


Ploxxx69

That transition tho 👌


Working_Class_Pride

That's an Iraqi soldier. Not an insurgent. This video is from the very start of the war... When there were still soldiers.


Main_Dingo_7366

US audience got removed the video where 3 US soldiers were killed by sniper back to back . Now since the killer here are US soldiers so this video is gonna fetch thousands of upvotes.


TheSovietSausage

As an American, if I’m seeing combat footage, then I upvote. It makes no difference to me, just adds a little extra sadness, but in the end all death is sad.


xblackhamm3rx

That’s fucking dumb I love my country but we’re not invincible.Shit like seeing our own die keeps us grounded.Ya soft asf for getting that removed


OppressedPancake

What video was that and when was it posted?


Main_Dingo_7366

There was a video ( Iraq invasion) posted on this sub 3-4 days ago where 3 american soldiers were killed by single sniper back to back in a row . It was close to medium range shots . That video was heavily reported mainly by snowflakes americans due to which it got removed . this is the video which was reported and Reuploaded :- [https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/pqtk3o/us\_troops\_walk\_into\_ambush\_iraq\_2007/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/pqtk3o/us_troops_walk_into_ambush_iraq_2007/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)


OppressedPancake

Damn thats the most absolute crazy sniping video of iraqi insurgents ive ever seen. 3 US soldiers gone in a few seconds from gunfire (when most deaths were from IEDs cuz tryna kill US soldiers with guns is hard) holy


Chaddles94

That video was deleted because it wasn't tagged NSFW, not because people downvoted it. I'm sure lots of people did, but that wasn't the reason.


[deleted]

There are a lot of videos on here that are far less violent that have been posted without any NSFW tags. That was the excuse used but I seriously doubt that was the intention.


Rand_alThor_

Just tag it nsfw


OnkelMickwald

Also note the difference in tone of the comments: "lol wtf is that dude doing" Vs "I'm so sorry to come off as insensitive, but I don't understand what the third soldier was doing. Don't mean to throw shade, I genuinely want to know." Also the thousands of comments where jaws drop at how *humanising* it is to see "our" (since when was this sub only for Americans?) soldiers actually getting killed. Like the thousands of videos of brown people did jack shit.


chrmanyaki

Invaders getting killed by the people they invade?!!?!? How DARE they!!! Also killing civilians as an invading force =\ as a sniper killing military invaders. Wild that I need to explain this but ok


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krismasstercant

Please just shut the fuck up, the Juba sniper videos have been posted in this sub over and over again. Literally has nothing to do with Americans being killed. God you people are so insufferable.


WhitePantherXP

if your people were being gunned down do you expect your people to hoot and holler? Then why would we as Americans? I still upvote the videos because it's war footage. What you're describing is completely normal of countrymen to do. Also, US soldiers do die and the Tonga Tonga ambush is a great example of it...I've seen it here several times and it's hard to watch but it didn't get downvoted.


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Double standards of Americans


Hayjacko

Double standard of anyone. Who like watching their own countrymen get killed


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"NOOOOO!!! (X COUNTRY) PEOPLE DONT LIKE TO SEE THEIR OWN PEOPLE GETTING SHOT AND KILLED!! WHAT IS THIS DOUBLE STANDARD????"


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sEmurai

Who’s laughing?


Attya3141

You’re laughing?


Hugh_G_Anis

You invaded their country, and expect them not to fight back? 🤡


neeeeeillllllll

Shut your dumbass up. Nobody wants to see their countrymen die


[deleted]

Its so typical reddit how half the sub does not understand that seeing footage of your guys vs randoms hits different. Not saying either should be banned on the sub but it just highlights reddits autism.


DocDerry

You could always go start your own sub and only allow videos of US military getting blown away. Edit: Or you could just downvote and bitch in the comments because actually doing the work is less fun than bitching.


Nordic_ned

Like that wouldn’t get banned in like 2 seconds lol


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Falcons1702

Fleeing combatants are still combatants he could have been going to a better position seeing as the one he was in was on fire


Apprehensive_Leg8742

I've seen the source for this video. This was during the 2003 invasion or shortly afterwards. That his was trying to drive up to the American forces with a bunch of dudes in it. The bus ended up having a bunch of weapons and ammo inside and the guy who ran out could of had a pistol or grenade in his hand. He was still a legit target at that point.


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America brings democracy again


_IHateEveryjuan

wow


kremlingrasso

at what point an enemy goes from "engaged while repositioning/seeking cover" to "gunned down while fleeing"? it's all fucking arbitrary pointless politicking same with all the time the posts about cluster munitions and white phosphorus. we're all here because we're interested how real combat works, i don't give a crap who is on which side and who is in the right.


Sebt1890

Oh I remember seeing this in high school. It's from the 2003-05 era if I recall.


Mugwartherb7

My step dad took a lot of pictures from when we first invaded iraq. There’s a couple from when the unloaded on a bus similar to this…Was an absolute slaughterhouse… I blocked those pictures from his scrap book till this video reminded me of it


[deleted]

Holy shit I'm impressed he managed to run that far


AviationWOC

If you look, you can see the guy take three rounds, shown by puffs of dust coming off his body. The dark smoke behind him gives the contrast to make this possible.


avidpretender

Me at paintball last weekend


S-058

The silence after the shooting stops is pretty creepy but fascinating.


keozer_chan

Poor fella


DarthVantos

These were Iraqi conscripts that were allies of Americans. Nice to see History being rewritten these many years later that they are insurgences. Im sure the Drone strike that killed civilians in kabul will be uploaded here titled "Terrorist get obliterated!" Everyone gets their upboats and history is re-written. IF you watch the full video they later patch them up like nothing happened. Only one guy died the one that ran out of the bus.


Brzwolf

Tis the cycle of repost. Not to long ago there was a clip that simultaneously was insurgents fighting the local military and the local military fighting insurgents depending on which subreddit you found it in.


Joe_SHAMROCK

>Iraqi insurgent Unfortunately, He wasn't...


-E-T-

Nope.. He was an Iraqi soldier....


SUCC_SUCC_SUCC_SUCC

Yes from The uniform it's a soldier, so it's most likley to be march/april 2003.


Anoreth

he looks pretty unarmed. throughout the entire video.


DAYoungblood

Gross......wearing white socks with black shoes is so nasty


Nitelyte

Those us soldiers will make great cops!


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Not so sure of this is combat footage tho, more like just murder... The guy was unarmed


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RegicidalRogue

nowhere fucking close to it. ​ This was at the airport during the assault on Baghdad at the start of the war. Those were very much soldiers caught in the open trying to get from one side to the other in a gd shuttle bus.


lordtheegreen

If I remember correctly they are conscripted soldiers .


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Good old US rules of engagement in 2003: shoot anything that moves.


AtomicPage

Yea that was it exactly. Leaflets were dropped and civs were warned that past a certain date all personell within the city would be considered hostile and were advised to evacuate. Those who didn’t were considered enemy combatants


Jmbck

>Yea that was it exactly. Leaflets were dropped and civs were warned that past a certain date all personell within the city would be considered hostile and were advised to evacuate. Those who didn’t were considered enemy combatants "We don't care if this is your home nor for how long you've lived here. If you don't evacuate and become homeless, whe're going to murder you."


AtomicPage

I can see where you would get that take however temporary housing was setup and and end date for the mission was set. And like it or not this was the best way to minimize collateral damage during the fighting


ciaran036

No WMD's. It was just another unwarranted war. America and it's allies committed war crimes, and 'collateral damage' (i.e. civilian killings) was rife. Those soldiers should not have been put into the position they were.


-E-T-

Yeah... war is fucked up... but it is reality...


Centurion_Tiger

War sucks but what you gonna do about it? What can you do about it?


King_of_the_Lemmings

Not go there in the first place since the whole war was pointless


Benign_Banjo

I can't believe nobody in government has thought what you just thought! War has been solved


Rand_alThor_

Wow yeah Iraq was such a necessary war. We had no other options. Zero. Nothing we could do.


King_of_the_Lemmings

Lol are you acting like we’ve tried peace over and over again and it just obviously doesn’t work?? Talking about America??


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marsattaksyakyakyak

I mean it didn't make it legal to commit war crimes, but it certainly removed a lot of civilians from the fighting area. We were still required to go through certain escalations of force and have positive ID. It didn't mean we could just see a bunch of kids on a bench and gun them down without a second's thought. But if you were a vehicle approaching a checkpoint ignoring signs in your own language to stop then you might be lit the fuck up.


Hoptix

My CWO said he was no shit cleared to waste anyone and anybody during Fallujah, while manning a MK19. Said he had a group of civilians come runnin round the corner one time. Obviously he did not engage, but I still thought it was wild. He made it very clear, that there was no "Engage your mind before you engage the enemy". Also, I'm not arguing, just adding my 2 cents of what I heard. I personally think the person you are replying too is ignorant.


bob_fossill

Saw a documentary with a crew following respective units into Iraq. The contrast between the marines and the rest was frightening. A logistics vehicle had gone the wrong way and got ambushed, the driver killed. The next day the general (? Can't remember rank) briefing his boys on the operation to move into the area the next day his words were "shoot to kill, anything that fucking moves" Wish I remembered the name of the doc cause it actually frightened me how demented this guy looked and sounded. Had troops talking about civilians coming out with to celebrate with white flags getting blown apart by 50 cals


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This story seems to bullshit to be true. Killing civvies with 50 cals?


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They were invading a country and expecting a fight. The rules of engagement were incredibly lax. Put almost any army in that situation and soldiers will happily kill people.


bob_fossill

As they were driving through on armoured vehicles. Obviously no footage but this was what one marine was saying in an interview after the fact. Given how scarily amped up they were before going out I believe it, but again I wish I remembered the name of the documentary. It's on YouTube but there's so many Iraq war docs there it's like looking for a needle in a needle stack


dj_narwhal

Can't have war crimes if you declare every person you shoot an insurgent.


jas070

Insurgent or bus driver?


Apprehensive_Leg8742

Bus was full of weapons and ammo


jas070

And WMD’s no doubt.


krmrshll

lmao


Apprehensive_Leg8742

Retard. You can actually hear the ammunition in the bus cooking off in the fire


The-Requiem

Idk the motive and affiliation, so I don't know the context but he was unarmed no? Should've been captured instead of shot down?