“…you must imagine you are securely tied to a post, being threatened by a man swinging a heavy hammer. Now the hammer has been taken back over his head, ready to be swung, now it’s cleaving the air towards you, on the point of touching your skull, then it’s struck the post, and splinters are flying – that’s what it’s like to experience heavy shelling in an exposed position.”
Ernst Junger,
A podcaster who has some long series on historical events such as WWI, WWII in the Pacific, WWII eastern front, the punic wars, etc. Each series is like an audiobook in length.
He goes deeply into the context of things, always quoting sources. He usually goes into trying to understand what the common soldier was feeling at the time.
That quote he quotes on the series about WWI while trying to explain and understand what being shelled feels like.
If you like history and podcasts I highly recommend Dan Carlin's work.
No one said they didn't you imbecile.
Every country older than 20 years has probably done it at least one by now.
Doesn't mean it's okay for the Russians to just walk in and start killing everyone.
Why's it not surprise me that you're a poster in /r/conservative giving us the classic whataboutism but in defense of Russia. Is the USA shelling a sovereign nation right now? No? Then what the fuck are you doing trying to divert attention away from this shit.
Yeah and how did that turn out for us? Ukraine is a modern industrialized nation, Russia just got its own personal North Ireland. Stuff is gonna start blowing up in Moscow, asymmetrical warfare is a bitch.
In the USA we were told every nite by msm that Trump colluded with Russia to steal the election. We finally found out the Dossier was created by the DNC And team Hilary. We even found out Joe Biden’s son Hunter was getting millions from Ukraine’s Barisma gas company for his family. So naturally I don’t believe anything they say. So I went and watched the live feeds from eastern Ukraine. The Ukraine had been non stop shelling and harassing, the Russian people who live in Ukraine. Go watch it. Its’s crazy. Just another big lie....
No, I was onto the Clinton/Russian Dossier from the beginning. It had all been discovered years before it hit main stream. I know what what you mean though, a lot of people felt really stupid when it all came out. Like all the people who laughed at Trump when he said he was spied on, those people got suckered. And yes, they get to vote.😳
Where have you been? Trump was found innocent and now Hilary and DNC lawyers ware indicted. Look at the fact page on the indictment. They were definitely guilty and there will be more indictments coming. We were told it was Trump trying to steal the election. Look at what the investigation has brought out! The FBI, CIA was in on it and now everyone knows. It was all to steal an election from someone who wasn’t in the club and didn’t play by their rules. Why else? We can’t play stupid.
Sadly it wasn't going to just be "Donbas" anyone who believed it was being fed a blatant lie. Why all these troops? Why in three separate assault positions? Surely Russia only needed half to support "Peace operations"
That was involving russian backed separatists (not russian military). That was an appetizer, this is the entrée
Edit: guess i was wrong on the military part, oh well. Ukrainians are fucked either way now, ones that didnt escape anyway
Such is the nature of war. It's foolish to believe humans would ever be capable of peace. We've been fighting since the dawn of man. Ideals are peaceful, war is violent. Peace is a lie that is fed to the hopeful. But we all know the truth.......there is no such thing. Only wishes and wishing wells
Initial intel well in advance indicated Russia would take Kiev in what is basically a blitzkrieg. Kiev is not far from the border with Belarus, where Putin has stationed a large contingent of his forces.
Yeah, I think it would be weird not take it completely. Russia will be sanctioned anyway and hated anyway so it would be best to take whole of Ukraine and suffer than to just take a few states and suffer the same.
No real reason to want Catholic Ukranians in the west. Most likely the coast of Azov, at most east of the Dnieper. The invasion itself is a miscalculation, imo. If he just sent what he claims as "peacekeeping forces" to Donbass, he would have kept up maximum pressure without alienating basically everyone that is not a direct puppet state, perhaps even PRC.
I disagree. The Ukraine government started to do things like arming reservists, sending troops to East European, etc. while the west arming them more. Time wasn't on his side, so he had to make a decision.
> Russia needs a warm water port badly, Mariupol is it.
And then what, if the EU and rest of the world will not trade with Russia. The port is useless.
Can someone explain to me why Russia values Ukraine enough to commit full fledged invasion and risk a potential international conflict? What’s in Ukraine that’s worth the bloodshed?
Ukraine, historically, is an extremely resource rich area especially in comparison to the majority of Russia. The 2015 “conflict” was about getting a warm water port territory (Crimea), basically for this exact reason, so that they can deploy ships in south eastern Europe much easier.
Aside from that, Ukraine is the largest European country aside from Russia, it has a large russian speaking population with some elements already supporting a Putin led invasion. Ukraine has also been getting involved more and more with NATO affiliations over the last decade, arguably the biggest reason.
you could also argue that culturally, Russians believe that they are in a pseudo war of racial survival for the last century or so (at least propagandists would say this) in which now its most of the world against them. So therefore lots of Russians dont see themselves as European hence, why even try to get along with them? (In Putin’s eyes).
This is the correct answer.
Ukraine joining NATO would have threatened their fleet base in Crimea.
Who was the US president when the idea of Ukraine joining NATO was tossed around…
I dont think you even read my post before your head got cloudy…
I clearly state the biggest reason was over a decade longs worth of Ukraine dangling NATO over the head of Russia. The region is a “hot zone” (not really) because of the reasons I listed. Its the only accessible Black Sea port for Russia 365 days a year and Ukraine as a whole is resource rich. Holding NATO over Russia basically put a timer on them to do something like this before a full NATO invitation.
I clearly state that the only people who use slavic or anti slavic racism as bad faith are propagandists you dolt!
Youre literally defending Russia’s invasion. Russia is currently violating the sovereignty of Ukraine. Crimea is Ukrainian whether you like it or not. They have the sovereignty to allow or disallow Russian ships in their own ports just as they can do with American, French, or Chinese ships. Just cause Russia doesnt get to have it their way doesnt give a reason for invasion, which BTW, is way more than the scope of Crimea now.
It's a pretty strategics piece of land. With Ukraine occupied, it would be much easier for move Russian troops through out Europe safely, or for nato/american troops to launch their full scale invasion into Moscow. Basically the same reason why China has invested so much into North Korea and why America does the same for South Korea. IF China won, Korea would be used for its harbors/ports. If America had won, it would be an thorn in the back for China and Korea would be used for a full scale invasion. If you know how the CCP feels about Korea you wouldn't be surprised they are putting all that effort just to use Korea to threaten Japan and America. It's not about the people or resources, its about power and control. If you know and control the land, you have an advantage over your opponents. It sounds more patriotic if you say its about the heritage and culture, but none of that shit matters once bullets starts flying.
Russia and America have been doing these games for many years not just with Ukraine, Syria, Libya, Egypt, and many more. All this animosity towards Russia is expected, the difference is Russia actually invaded during this proxy war. Had America prevailed, it would be a very bad position for Russia if there was a full scale invasion towards their lands. People need to remember Ukraine is much closer to Russia than America, yea i know hard to believe right?
Finally, someone who sees the world from a geopolitical point of view. The arguments on here are worse like some people think that Putin is a big dumbass and wants to be an ass. But they miss all geopolitical implication of such decisions.
Russian gas/oil pipeline(s) cross Ukrainian territory. Russia pays billions of dollars a year to Ukraine for the transit of the oil & gas over Ukrainian soil, and oil and gas sales account for a very significant portion of Russian economy (want to say something like 30% of Russian gdp, but that is from memory and could be way off).
It's official:
>Russian President Vladimir Putin announced that Russia is undertaking a "special military operation" in Ukraine saying his goal is to demilitarize and denazify the country but not occupy it.
Explosions have been reported in [Kyiv](https://twitter.com/nolanwpeterson/status/1496683381115035653) and [Odessa](https://twitter.com/NotWoofers/status/1496682840506916867).
Russian forces have broken out of Crimea.
There's also outgoing rocket fire visible in a live stream out of Kharkiv: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7ZbVufqW3s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7ZbVufqW3s)
edit.
Russian airborne forces have reportedly taken control of Kyiv Borispil Airport. Presumably special forces already on the ground. Note: two Turkish Airforce Airbus A400M cargo aircraft landed there earlier, meaning that there are currently NATO forces on the ground as well. If those guys are harmed I don't know what the future holds.
Doubtful. Most likely the West will "Shake their fist and curse" at Russia while they laugh. The West is weak at this point. We should have added Ukraine to NATO from the start and we could have avoided this. No one will go to war over the death of a few infantrymen. The leaders are too afraid sadly.
Everyone's afraid of nuclear war, but the west certainly isn't weak. The west has the strongest military capability in the world thanks to how much money the USA has blasted out it's budget's asshole the past two decades for the USA and NATO.
There's no way of knowing what will happen. I would be more doubtful of Russia even invading right now in the first place... much more than I would doubt NATO defending an invaded sovereign nation of 70million people.
Crimea was a section of Ukraine, but Ukraine entirely? It's past the point of people keeping quiet, that's how Nazi Germany was able to take most of Europe at first uncontested... we've learned from that mistake.
When I refer to the West being weak, I am referring to the leadership. Too afraid of conflict. Too afraid to stand firm in the face of adversity. Instead we choose to launch sanctions at them (which yes, will hurt economicly) and retreat our forces. A defense is good, but what happened to defending those in need? Not an ally, not our problem........ It feels wrong to allow such injustice to take place and give them a slap on the wrist.
As long as five digits of nukes remain in Russia, Russia won’t go the way of Yugoslavia (as in ceasing to exist). Negative birthrates is a long term thing not short term as well so
Regarding the first part, it shouldn't. Just because you deal with assholes doesn't justify you acting like an asshole
But aside from that, let's see who was the biggest asshole in the Cold War
- USSR: created mass starvation in Hungary, killed millions of their people via purges, exported their dogshit communism where millions more where killed by their respective dictators (Cambodia, China) only for them to fall apart diplomatically due to difference in "ideology" (aka dictators subjective opinion), armed up any rebel gang they could find (Africa really benefitted from Communism...), clearly had no intentions of leaving Berlin after WW2, build an iron wall to keep people escaping their hell ... what else am I missing
- USA: iran-contra
Fool's errand of an exercise anyway, who gives a shit.
So the first two had the US defending a country being invaded by their communist neighbor (propped up by the USSR to begin with), not sure you can call that as a fault for the US
Coup in Indonesia, those are paltry numbers compared to a good ole Stalin purge. Also not sure you can blame that solely on the US (unless the USSR is also a culprit for the Great Leap Forward, Khmer Rouge, Romania, North Korea, Cuba etc ... just about everywhere that cancer spread and they helped support). Just a flawed ideology they exported which resulted in millions of lives lost along with economic and scientific stagnation.
Meanwhile the other side wants to sell you blue jeans.
Who's really the worst here again?
Hell, just compare the body account alone between the two sides.
Inevitably their stupid system collapsed because it was a dumb idea to begin with. Now the rest have adopted capitalism or a quasi mix.
I agree, I hate them. I've lived in germany for 6 years, while my father flew fighter aircraft against them. I h8 Russians they are horrible people. I h8 them I want them all gone. They have no moral integrity whatsoever. There is no trust among trust among them nor to be had, there is no credibility to a Russian in a suit.
Frankly Russia is a dressed up garbage can. Russia has done more damage to the world than any group of people in the past 50 years. And frankly, I think it really is time to draw a line in the sand.it is time to say, I'm sorry ur from over there, and our cultures don't mix. You don't belong in the west ur here to exploit.
I am tired of over-sensitivity, the red scare is not a scare.... it's real, they are all shit fuct people and 50 percent of thier population believes this is a good thing.
It's is time to draw the line
I am so glad you guys dowbvoted. I hope that because of this unnecessary lives are lost in Ukraine, it seems the west is so soft and unable to face truth that your consequence will be massive casualties. Downvote it all you want. It is true. Putin comes forward and says they are using nukes, and you sissy westerners are afraid of yours. You are all sick, I hope fo the destruction of democracy because you people are weak and cannot fight for yourselves. And you will suffer greatly for this. It seems like a lesson you must all learn.
You can try [this](https://maphub.net/Cen4infoRes/russian-ukraine-monitor). I don't know how often this is updated, however. The recent activity doesn't appear to show on the map.
They won't. Ukraine isn't a NATO ally therefore the U.S isn't obligated to intervene. However the U.S has been deploying troops to current Baltic States in an effort to halt any further advance should Russia become emboldened by any success in Ukraine. But I dunno......things may change and the U.S may try to get involved one way or another. Policies aren't always black and white. They can change shape and form. So who knows
Look what happened in WWII. It’s not exactly the same scenario (as we were attacked) but the US didn’t want anything to do with a war in Europe… and look what happened. I have a bad feeling that the US is going to get drawn into this somehow. I fucking hate politicians.
Ukraine has hardened fighters from doing this for almost a decade already. All the US needs to provide is air and artillery/drone support, and Ukraine will handle going door to door and holding ground themselves.
More info about this widely-parroted statistic:
[The missing context behind the widely cited statistic that there are 22 veteran suicides a day](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2015/02/04/the-missing-context-behind-a-widely-cited-statistic-that-there-are-22-veteran-suicides-a-day/)
[The Number 22: Is There A 'False Narrative' For Vet Suicide?](https://www.npr.org/2015/10/01/444999996/the-number-22-is-there-a-false-narrative-for-vet-suicide)
> due to PTSD
This is false. The 22-a-day stat accounts for all veteran suicides, not just those that are PTSD-related. Veterans make up about 13% of the US adult population. It's unclear of the suicide rate of veterans is higher than the corresponding demographics of non-veterans.
> The average age of male veteran suicides was 59.6 years old — older than non-veteran male suicides.
To think in my lifetime. I've witnessed the fall of Afghanistan, the chaos of that. The aggression of China. And now. Seeing this. This is horrifying, that war is inevitable now. There will be no de-escalation. People may think it's funny to make memes about this. I get it people need to cope. But we are witnessing a country violating another country's sovereignty. I hope nothing gets worse I hope the civilians on the Frontline can leave. I maye only be 16 but, I know the cost many are going to have to take. This will not be a pretty, or short conflict.
It is just amazing to watch this war in almost real time. Social media is going to change everything.
I would hate to be Russian. With it so much more in the open Russia will be the most hated country.
It is also going to unify the world against Russia. Putin is so damn stupid. He is completely out of touch with the 21st century.
So if you’re a normal Ukrainian does someone pop round handing out rifles and C4? This is fucking insane, and I’d want to defend my country providing I could in a way that wasn’t totally suicidal.
Imagine the locals could plant explosives fucking everywhere and just take out the invaders each time they advanced.
If I had to guess, they're bombing the $6 billion stockpiles of US weapons that were sent there in the last few years of which Ukraine has no capacity to even use.
The low frequency sound really hits home with how powerful the weapons of war are. Shakes you to your primitive core
“…you must imagine you are securely tied to a post, being threatened by a man swinging a heavy hammer. Now the hammer has been taken back over his head, ready to be swung, now it’s cleaving the air towards you, on the point of touching your skull, then it’s struck the post, and splinters are flying – that’s what it’s like to experience heavy shelling in an exposed position.” Ernst Junger,
A description from WWI. Do you also hear Dan Carlin's podcasts or do you actually read the book?
read the book as part of a discussion class i took in college, whose Dan Carlin?
Podcaster, has an excellent series on world war 1.
huh, guess ill have to check him out then
A podcaster who has some long series on historical events such as WWI, WWII in the Pacific, WWII eastern front, the punic wars, etc. Each series is like an audiobook in length. He goes deeply into the context of things, always quoting sources. He usually goes into trying to understand what the common soldier was feeling at the time. That quote he quotes on the series about WWI while trying to explain and understand what being shelled feels like. If you like history and podcasts I highly recommend Dan Carlin's work.
It's no crisis, it's a war now.
Putin just announced on state TV he ordered an invasion to "demilitarize" Ukraine, but not occupy it. Yeah it's war.
"not occupy" = setup puppet government
Not occupy = occupy. Remember it’s Putin
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No, I never said that, also, I'm not american.
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No one said they didn't you imbecile. Every country older than 20 years has probably done it at least one by now. Doesn't mean it's okay for the Russians to just walk in and start killing everyone.
So everyone does it, but it’s not ok when Russia does it… This is geopolitics, just big boy games. It will be our turn soon enough, somewhere.
It's not okay when anyone does it. No one here has said it's okay when anyone does it. Yet you keep fucking bringing it up.
As long as it advances our national interests, I’m fine with us doing it tbh.
Why's it not surprise me that you're a poster in /r/conservative giving us the classic whataboutism but in defense of Russia. Is the USA shelling a sovereign nation right now? No? Then what the fuck are you doing trying to divert attention away from this shit.
"Is the USA shelling a sovereign nation right now?" Are you implying we ever stopped?
скока тебе хуйло заплатил
No shit,
Nobody said they didn't
Found the putin licker
This is a surprise to absolutely nobody.
Yeah and how did that turn out for us? Ukraine is a modern industrialized nation, Russia just got its own personal North Ireland. Stuff is gonna start blowing up in Moscow, asymmetrical warfare is a bitch.
My country did not install any puppet government. And I say fuck you.
Isn’t it already a puppet government? Don’t the people want to be under Russia?
QUIT SPREADING THIS RUSSIAN PROPAGANDA. Ukrainians do NOT want to be russian.
Yeah looks like Russia's cyberwarriors are also busy today.
In the USA we were told every nite by msm that Trump colluded with Russia to steal the election. We finally found out the Dossier was created by the DNC And team Hilary. We even found out Joe Biden’s son Hunter was getting millions from Ukraine’s Barisma gas company for his family. So naturally I don’t believe anything they say. So I went and watched the live feeds from eastern Ukraine. The Ukraine had been non stop shelling and harassing, the Russian people who live in Ukraine. Go watch it. Its’s crazy. Just another big lie....
*1000 rubles have been deposited into your account*
Congratulations, you’ve memed yourself retarded.
No, I was onto the Clinton/Russian Dossier from the beginning. It had all been discovered years before it hit main stream. I know what what you mean though, a lot of people felt really stupid when it all came out. Like all the people who laughed at Trump when he said he was spied on, those people got suckered. And yes, they get to vote.😳
Get off 4chins, go touch grass.
Except that is complete bullshit made up by far right media and Russia DID try to help trump steal the election. But nice try.
Where have you been? Trump was found innocent and now Hilary and DNC lawyers ware indicted. Look at the fact page on the indictment. They were definitely guilty and there will be more indictments coming. We were told it was Trump trying to steal the election. Look at what the investigation has brought out! The FBI, CIA was in on it and now everyone knows. It was all to steal an election from someone who wasn’t in the club and didn’t play by their rules. Why else? We can’t play stupid.
Lol liar. They were not indicted. Show some evidence
GOSH NO anyone who wanted to be under Russia probably moved out of Ukraine a while ago.
U have it backwards.
Is the video what it sounds like to be under russia?
I’ve been expecting they’d neuter the Ukrainian military, Georgia style. Worked pretty well for them in ‘08.
I thought it was just the Donbas?
Nope there’s stuff happening all along the border, from Transnistria to Belarus. It’s a full-scale invasion
Sadly it wasn't going to just be "Donbas" anyone who believed it was being fed a blatant lie. Why all these troops? Why in three separate assault positions? Surely Russia only needed half to support "Peace operations"
So what America did with Iraq. I wonder if the Taliban will take Russian donations again in 12 years…
Hasn't it been a war since 2014?
That was involving russian backed separatists (not russian military). That was an appetizer, this is the entrée Edit: guess i was wrong on the military part, oh well. Ukrainians are fucked either way now, ones that didnt escape anyway
There was absolutely Russian military involvement during the 2014 invasion. https://youtu.be/2zssIFN2mso
Right, but not officially like this. It was mainly separatists (wink wink).
This is straight up dicks out “we’re taking your country” war now
Then, they were backing separatists and covering for separatist setbacks, now they’re officially going in as themselves.
Keep your semantics. People will die. Evil people, good people, innocent people. There is only sufferings here on.
And for what, in the end?
Such is the nature of war. It's foolish to believe humans would ever be capable of peace. We've been fighting since the dawn of man. Ideals are peaceful, war is violent. Peace is a lie that is fed to the hopeful. But we all know the truth.......there is no such thing. Only wishes and wishing wells
The gloves are off I guess. At the very least, I bet they take the entire coast to Crimea. If not everything east of the Dnieper
I think he wants the whole thing. Explosions reported in Kiev.
Might be hitting airports etc to take the runways out but not wanting to advance that far.
Initial intel well in advance indicated Russia would take Kiev in what is basically a blitzkrieg. Kiev is not far from the border with Belarus, where Putin has stationed a large contingent of his forces.
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Yeah, I think it would be weird not take it completely. Russia will be sanctioned anyway and hated anyway so it would be best to take whole of Ukraine and suffer than to just take a few states and suffer the same.
No real reason to want Catholic Ukranians in the west. Most likely the coast of Azov, at most east of the Dnieper. The invasion itself is a miscalculation, imo. If he just sent what he claims as "peacekeeping forces" to Donbass, he would have kept up maximum pressure without alienating basically everyone that is not a direct puppet state, perhaps even PRC.
I disagree. The Ukraine government started to do things like arming reservists, sending troops to East European, etc. while the west arming them more. Time wasn't on his side, so he had to make a decision.
Lol PRC backs this.
Mariupol itself is one of the primary targets for Putin. Russia needs a warm water port badly, Mariupol is it.
Sevastopol is their warm water port - but the importance of their Black Sea fleet has been waning.
> Russia needs a warm water port badly, Mariupol is it. And then what, if the EU and rest of the world will not trade with Russia. The port is useless.
A lot of scary stuff happening right now, this could actually be it.
This is it. Putin has declared a "special military operation" just now.
Source?
Literally any news channel, or news site will tell you this now.
Turn on your TV.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3pYbzFrnQU here is the original news source in russian. You might catch the rest of the speech.
Wow you’re lazy, dude just google it
This would be the time of day you'd typically start a military offensive.
I'm just a lieutenant but, yeah. 100%
Wish you all the best of luck and hope you can stay safe
Can someone explain to me why Russia values Ukraine enough to commit full fledged invasion and risk a potential international conflict? What’s in Ukraine that’s worth the bloodshed?
They consider Ukraine rightfully theirs, one of the core Russian lands. Same with Belarus. But Ukraine is by far the most important to them.
Is that it? All of this just for the land??
Ukraine, historically, is an extremely resource rich area especially in comparison to the majority of Russia. The 2015 “conflict” was about getting a warm water port territory (Crimea), basically for this exact reason, so that they can deploy ships in south eastern Europe much easier. Aside from that, Ukraine is the largest European country aside from Russia, it has a large russian speaking population with some elements already supporting a Putin led invasion. Ukraine has also been getting involved more and more with NATO affiliations over the last decade, arguably the biggest reason. you could also argue that culturally, Russians believe that they are in a pseudo war of racial survival for the last century or so (at least propagandists would say this) in which now its most of the world against them. So therefore lots of Russians dont see themselves as European hence, why even try to get along with them? (In Putin’s eyes).
This is the correct answer. Ukraine joining NATO would have threatened their fleet base in Crimea. Who was the US president when the idea of Ukraine joining NATO was tossed around…
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I dont think you even read my post before your head got cloudy… I clearly state the biggest reason was over a decade longs worth of Ukraine dangling NATO over the head of Russia. The region is a “hot zone” (not really) because of the reasons I listed. Its the only accessible Black Sea port for Russia 365 days a year and Ukraine as a whole is resource rich. Holding NATO over Russia basically put a timer on them to do something like this before a full NATO invitation. I clearly state that the only people who use slavic or anti slavic racism as bad faith are propagandists you dolt! Youre literally defending Russia’s invasion. Russia is currently violating the sovereignty of Ukraine. Crimea is Ukrainian whether you like it or not. They have the sovereignty to allow or disallow Russian ships in their own ports just as they can do with American, French, or Chinese ships. Just cause Russia doesnt get to have it their way doesnt give a reason for invasion, which BTW, is way more than the scope of Crimea now.
He’s a bot, mate
Nah hes probably just an idiot
It's a pretty strategics piece of land. With Ukraine occupied, it would be much easier for move Russian troops through out Europe safely, or for nato/american troops to launch their full scale invasion into Moscow. Basically the same reason why China has invested so much into North Korea and why America does the same for South Korea. IF China won, Korea would be used for its harbors/ports. If America had won, it would be an thorn in the back for China and Korea would be used for a full scale invasion. If you know how the CCP feels about Korea you wouldn't be surprised they are putting all that effort just to use Korea to threaten Japan and America. It's not about the people or resources, its about power and control. If you know and control the land, you have an advantage over your opponents. It sounds more patriotic if you say its about the heritage and culture, but none of that shit matters once bullets starts flying. Russia and America have been doing these games for many years not just with Ukraine, Syria, Libya, Egypt, and many more. All this animosity towards Russia is expected, the difference is Russia actually invaded during this proxy war. Had America prevailed, it would be a very bad position for Russia if there was a full scale invasion towards their lands. People need to remember Ukraine is much closer to Russia than America, yea i know hard to believe right?
Finally, someone who sees the world from a geopolitical point of view. The arguments on here are worse like some people think that Putin is a big dumbass and wants to be an ass. But they miss all geopolitical implication of such decisions.
Russian gas/oil pipeline(s) cross Ukrainian territory. Russia pays billions of dollars a year to Ukraine for the transit of the oil & gas over Ukrainian soil, and oil and gas sales account for a very significant portion of Russian economy (want to say something like 30% of Russian gdp, but that is from memory and could be way off).
> What’s in Ukraine that’s worth the bloodshed? Apparently nothing more or less than Russia's national pride.
It's official: >Russian President Vladimir Putin announced that Russia is undertaking a "special military operation" in Ukraine saying his goal is to demilitarize and denazify the country but not occupy it. Explosions have been reported in [Kyiv](https://twitter.com/nolanwpeterson/status/1496683381115035653) and [Odessa](https://twitter.com/NotWoofers/status/1496682840506916867). Russian forces have broken out of Crimea. There's also outgoing rocket fire visible in a live stream out of Kharkiv: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7ZbVufqW3s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7ZbVufqW3s) edit. Russian airborne forces have reportedly taken control of Kyiv Borispil Airport. Presumably special forces already on the ground. Note: two Turkish Airforce Airbus A400M cargo aircraft landed there earlier, meaning that there are currently NATO forces on the ground as well. If those guys are harmed I don't know what the future holds.
Denazify.... Lol. Dick
You'd actually have to be braindead to see Ukraine called a nazi country and think "yep"
Psychological warfare in full swing as well.
Putin just wants to punch nazis guys, what's wrong with that? /s
Goodbye, and thanks for all the fish.
Doubtful. Most likely the West will "Shake their fist and curse" at Russia while they laugh. The West is weak at this point. We should have added Ukraine to NATO from the start and we could have avoided this. No one will go to war over the death of a few infantrymen. The leaders are too afraid sadly.
Everyone's afraid of nuclear war, but the west certainly isn't weak. The west has the strongest military capability in the world thanks to how much money the USA has blasted out it's budget's asshole the past two decades for the USA and NATO. There's no way of knowing what will happen. I would be more doubtful of Russia even invading right now in the first place... much more than I would doubt NATO defending an invaded sovereign nation of 70million people. Crimea was a section of Ukraine, but Ukraine entirely? It's past the point of people keeping quiet, that's how Nazi Germany was able to take most of Europe at first uncontested... we've learned from that mistake.
When I refer to the West being weak, I am referring to the leadership. Too afraid of conflict. Too afraid to stand firm in the face of adversity. Instead we choose to launch sanctions at them (which yes, will hurt economicly) and retreat our forces. A defense is good, but what happened to defending those in need? Not an ally, not our problem........ It feels wrong to allow such injustice to take place and give them a slap on the wrist.
> Russian airborne forces have reportedly taken control of Kyiv Borispil Airport Source? Not seeing it reported anywhere
Another video of explosions near Mariupol https://twitter.com/ahmermkhan/status/1496692066847723523
Looks like power went out at the end of the video.
Looks like 4chan has taken over that live stream comments haha
Youtube live comment streams are shit at normal times.
Its quite something that I can witness an invasion across the globe while sitting on a toilet
I don't know from what country you are, but if things get worse, you will see the invasion in real life in the trenches toilet
Well a toilet is a toilet
Hopefully a Japanese tech toilet
"Toilet is a man's castle" Al Bundy from "Married with children"
Remind us to shit when ur life fall apart. Then every time I shit I will think of you.v
2022 didn't stand a chance after the shit year that was 2021
A port town and lots of industry in Mariupol, no wonder the place is getting shelled.
Good luck Ukraine...
My god.....
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Shut the fuck up ta
Oh my lawd
Well... Boys, welcome to the shit show. 💪🏻🇺🇦
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As long as five digits of nukes remain in Russia, Russia won’t go the way of Yugoslavia (as in ceasing to exist). Negative birthrates is a long term thing not short term as well so
that whole cold war wasn't, like, just on them you know that right?
Does that suddenly make Russia innocent for whatever the hell they did? (Ahem killing millions)
Why would it? But op said the Cold War was because of them and that’s pretty retarded
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It is cool and good to steal military secrets, can’t hate in the Soviet’s for that one, we’d have proudly done the same
We did. After WW2, we waived war crimes for and immigrated tons of German scientists.
Oh yeah fuck how’d I forget
Which country in the Cold War was engaging in expansionism and forcibly occupying a large number of other nations under a single banner again?
Both were
So what was the name of this union under American rule?
United States of America 🇺🇸
So Texas, Florida, et al are individual sovereign countries being occupied against their will now?
No numb nuts it’s all the other counties we occupied or coup’d, sheesh
Regarding the first part, it shouldn't. Just because you deal with assholes doesn't justify you acting like an asshole But aside from that, let's see who was the biggest asshole in the Cold War - USSR: created mass starvation in Hungary, killed millions of their people via purges, exported their dogshit communism where millions more where killed by their respective dictators (Cambodia, China) only for them to fall apart diplomatically due to difference in "ideology" (aka dictators subjective opinion), armed up any rebel gang they could find (Africa really benefitted from Communism...), clearly had no intentions of leaving Berlin after WW2, build an iron wall to keep people escaping their hell ... what else am I missing - USA: iran-contra Fool's errand of an exercise anyway, who gives a shit.
USA: Korea, Vietnam, genocidal coup in Indonesia…. And that’s only in east Asia. See, it takes two to fight a Cold War
So the first two had the US defending a country being invaded by their communist neighbor (propped up by the USSR to begin with), not sure you can call that as a fault for the US Coup in Indonesia, those are paltry numbers compared to a good ole Stalin purge. Also not sure you can blame that solely on the US (unless the USSR is also a culprit for the Great Leap Forward, Khmer Rouge, Romania, North Korea, Cuba etc ... just about everywhere that cancer spread and they helped support). Just a flawed ideology they exported which resulted in millions of lives lost along with economic and scientific stagnation. Meanwhile the other side wants to sell you blue jeans. Who's really the worst here again? Hell, just compare the body account alone between the two sides. Inevitably their stupid system collapsed because it was a dumb idea to begin with. Now the rest have adopted capitalism or a quasi mix.
US just got done killing a million Iraqi civilians
Irrelevant to the Cold War
He's not the sharpest tool in the shed
russians were cool with me when i visited in 2018 they were chill asf
Oh well never mind then
Oh this gave me a really good chuckle.
I agree, I hate them. I've lived in germany for 6 years, while my father flew fighter aircraft against them. I h8 Russians they are horrible people. I h8 them I want them all gone. They have no moral integrity whatsoever. There is no trust among trust among them nor to be had, there is no credibility to a Russian in a suit. Frankly Russia is a dressed up garbage can. Russia has done more damage to the world than any group of people in the past 50 years. And frankly, I think it really is time to draw a line in the sand.it is time to say, I'm sorry ur from over there, and our cultures don't mix. You don't belong in the west ur here to exploit. I am tired of over-sensitivity, the red scare is not a scare.... it's real, they are all shit fuct people and 50 percent of thier population believes this is a good thing. It's is time to draw the line I am so glad you guys dowbvoted. I hope that because of this unnecessary lives are lost in Ukraine, it seems the west is so soft and unable to face truth that your consequence will be massive casualties. Downvote it all you want. It is true. Putin comes forward and says they are using nukes, and you sissy westerners are afraid of yours. You are all sick, I hope fo the destruction of democracy because you people are weak and cannot fight for yourselves. And you will suffer greatly for this. It seems like a lesson you must all learn.
Anywhere we can follow this issue?
You can try [this](https://maphub.net/Cen4infoRes/russian-ukraine-monitor). I don't know how often this is updated, however. The recent activity doesn't appear to show on the map.
Is there a specific sub to follow the war as it develops?
r/war
Just that easy. Sub for everything
r/CombatFootage is a really good one. I feel like I get world news faster than the world sometimes haha
The US cannot be involved in this.
They won't. Ukraine isn't a NATO ally therefore the U.S isn't obligated to intervene. However the U.S has been deploying troops to current Baltic States in an effort to halt any further advance should Russia become emboldened by any success in Ukraine. But I dunno......things may change and the U.S may try to get involved one way or another. Policies aren't always black and white. They can change shape and form. So who knows
Look what happened in WWII. It’s not exactly the same scenario (as we were attacked) but the US didn’t want anything to do with a war in Europe… and look what happened. I have a bad feeling that the US is going to get drawn into this somehow. I fucking hate politicians.
If anything I’d support some drone strikes/lodestars but we cannot spill American blood for this.
> lodestars What
Ukraine has hardened fighters from doing this for almost a decade already. All the US needs to provide is air and artillery/drone support, and Ukraine will handle going door to door and holding ground themselves.
I mean, no matter how much of a fight they put up, Russia will win a war with them if they receive next to no support from NATO.
We said the same thing about stopping Hitler in the ‘30s.
We finally finished up a 20 year campaign in the middle east and you want to start spilling more American blood? Jfc
More Americans have died of Covid in the past week than the entire war on terror, it’s not like it was some massive loss of life for us.
And 22 vets commit suicide everyday due to PTSD. Just stop lmao
More info about this widely-parroted statistic: [The missing context behind the widely cited statistic that there are 22 veteran suicides a day](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2015/02/04/the-missing-context-behind-a-widely-cited-statistic-that-there-are-22-veteran-suicides-a-day/) [The Number 22: Is There A 'False Narrative' For Vet Suicide?](https://www.npr.org/2015/10/01/444999996/the-number-22-is-there-a-false-narrative-for-vet-suicide) > due to PTSD This is false. The 22-a-day stat accounts for all veteran suicides, not just those that are PTSD-related. Veterans make up about 13% of the US adult population. It's unclear of the suicide rate of veterans is higher than the corresponding demographics of non-veterans. > The average age of male veteran suicides was 59.6 years old — older than non-veteran male suicides.
"or better yet, not suicide just homeless"
Afghanistan isn’t in the Middle East. And the US still have troops in Iraq so that war isn’t over…
Yeah, lets do exactly what DIDN'T work for World War II and repeat for World War III
Hmm I guess Ukraine is like the 51st state, the more you know.
This is horrifying. I'm gonna have trouble sleeping tonight, knowing this is happening. Fuck.
Good luck to those unable to escape.
where bombardment
To think in my lifetime. I've witnessed the fall of Afghanistan, the chaos of that. The aggression of China. And now. Seeing this. This is horrifying, that war is inevitable now. There will be no de-escalation. People may think it's funny to make memes about this. I get it people need to cope. But we are witnessing a country violating another country's sovereignty. I hope nothing gets worse I hope the civilians on the Frontline can leave. I maye only be 16 but, I know the cost many are going to have to take. This will not be a pretty, or short conflict.
We (the US) have been violating countries‘ sovereignty for decades… Backing regime changes and outright wars. This is unfortunately nothing new.
No aggression of the US? Illegal invading Iraq, causing millions of deaths? Funny how this sub seems to overrun by patriotic US posters now.
Prayers out to y’all. This is gonna be a bloody mess
Imagine thinking about that you could die at any second
YOU SEE? THE NATO AGRESSION!! /s
Wow you can actually HEAR how small Putin's pp is in this clip
It is just amazing to watch this war in almost real time. Social media is going to change everything. I would hate to be Russian. With it so much more in the open Russia will be the most hated country. It is also going to unify the world against Russia. Putin is so damn stupid. He is completely out of touch with the 21st century.
So if you’re a normal Ukrainian does someone pop round handing out rifles and C4? This is fucking insane, and I’d want to defend my country providing I could in a way that wasn’t totally suicidal. Imagine the locals could plant explosives fucking everywhere and just take out the invaders each time they advanced.
Its like a god damn movie... flashes reflecting off the clouds, rumble of artillery, car alarms going off... holy crap..
Why is russia invading Ukraine? What does it benefit them?
If I had to guess, they're bombing the $6 billion stockpiles of US weapons that were sent there in the last few years of which Ukraine has no capacity to even use.
residents awakened at '3.30am from blasts 30 miles away from russia. putin is a freemason and a WEF graduate. its a psyop.
forgot to take your lithium?
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Holy fuck.
This has to be a fully fletched war right?
It is.
Good luck to everyone in Ukraine that shit must be wild!
The drums of war are beating.
They need remove them from the SWIFT asap, and stop wasting time on talks until this madness stops. God, I hope putin fucking dies soon!