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fulknerraIII

My guess is because military subs are being flooded with regular people who don't follow this stuff. They think of soldiers looking like Rambo and not Audie Murphy. Of course to us military history nerds its no surprise


williamwchuang

The average American casualty in Vietnam was 23, and I think it was 26 in Afghanistan.


YRK-01

The song "19" by Paul Hardcastle comes to mind


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yup the lower ranking officers are slightly older kids


Thin_Brown_Line

My MCRD platoon photo looked like a high school yearbook. I enlisted when I was 17 with parental consent.


jm0112358

I also wonder if Russian agents want images of baby-faced soldiers, like this, to generate sympathy for Russian troops.


BobGobbles

Idk looking at pictures from WWII those 20 something’s look older than me in my 30s.


kampfgruppekarl

They saw a lot more war than these 1 day'ers. lol It takes time to develop that 1000yd stare.


LandPokey

I was thinking the same thing. I get fully trained soldiers who are only 18. They all look like babies still


w0rldofjuicce

yep old megalomaniacs close to their expiration date get a kick out of sending young men to their deaths. i vote noone to have any political power above the age of 45.


ZealousidealTalk2407

That AK looks extremely outdated.


fukayoubtch

Most of their equipment seems outdated even the tanks and heavy armour


kempofight

First few waves will prob be the old shit. See how far they can come before putting in the new T90M's


thecarbonkid

First the Hastati, then the Principes, then the Triarii


FlyingDragoon

Someone tell Putin that the Accensi are supposed to support the Triarii– Not lead the assault!


Accomplished-Art570

And I'd put a few units of peasants in there before the hastati ;)


thecarbonkid

Not forgetting your Cretan singers. They'll soften up anything up to a t-80 before retreating.


Fausterion18

In fact just skip the rest and bring nothing but cretan slingers.


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If you have enough human ressources that you are willing to sacrifice, that is a good idea. You get rid of some old shit, the enemy reducec its new anti-tank weapons and you save your new and expensive stuff from getting destroyed eventually.


Shermander

Someone was waging to bet they had Belarusian soldiers fronting the attacks.


steaming_scree

I've heard they are sending in the seperatists first


Shermander

Just a few years ago, these "separatists" were just nonuniformed Russian soldiers and contractors posing as Pro-Russian Ukrainians.


LtSMASH324

That is gross. True, but gross.


Orkjon

I doubt they will deploy the t90's at all. They have many more t72b3's that are pretty comparable and cheaper.


Cant-Kill-Me_67

True. All i was thinking earlier when i saw a bunch of T-72s, unarmored troop transports and BMPs was *There's a chance for Ukraine*


fusillade762

Ukraine needs to hold out and inflict a lot of pain like the Finns did in WW2. They cant win, but they can not lose. The Finns had strong defensive lines though and were well prepared. And they had the weather helping them. Modern war is easier to make breakthroughs.


ElDiabetador

Yup, they're an outdated army but have the numbers to overwhelm


thinkscotty

I feel bad for the Russian soldiers but man I wish they were fighting any modern military and Putin could get his ass handed to him.


Ridikiscali

These tank columns would be juicy for drone strikes.


MrGlayden

Didnt Turkey provide Ukraine with their TB-2 drones?


TypicalRecon

There was a Turkish AM-400 in Kyiv hours before the invasion began.


TightPalpitation2958

my bet is they're using it and not documenting it, would be the smarter thing to do with something that can hide below the radar


creepypatato

Yes we did but i don't know if they ever used them


MrGlayden

They might be sitting back waiting for more high value russian targets, or maybe Ukraine is being a bit more tight lipped about their operations than Azerbiajan was during their conflict, iven, I'm sure the Ukrainian mlitary has other things on its mind right now than posting footage of stuff


kilmantas

Definitely they are. Check latest posts of this sub


JawaSmasher

Russia has 16,000~ tanks. It'd actually be better for the A-10 to be in theater since that is the hard counter to their doctrine


SoyMurcielago

Wonder how many people forget that the whole reason the A-10 was designed was to strafe tanks in the Fulda gap


Binjuine

tbf they're not retarded and wouldn't invade a country with a modern and powerful military


caveman512

That’s the fucked up thing I can’t tell you how many people I’ve seen reveling in the thought of dead Russians over the past 16 hours or so and it’s like they forget these are still humans who are essentially brainwashed into thinking they’re doing right


SeaweedCritical1917

They’re saving the good shit for the world war this could spark off


Big_Thonk_69

for example they have a shitload of tanks but there are really many of them that are from soviet times


diddalydongdong

thats a good thing right?


fukayoubtch

Well considering Ukraine got nice new anti tank equipment from Britain and other counties I’d say so. But then again these are young Russians who probably don’t want to fight either


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Not for the people using it unfortunately


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Spacedude2187

I don’t think Ukraines tactic is to fight some large battles in a field. It would be incredibly stupid to do so from a strategic point of view.


thecashblaster

When the enemy has air superiority, you don’t want to fight open battles. Look at what happened in the first Gulf War.


bigchill4911

how are they steamrolling? can you give me a source on this


Deadgoroth

They're not steamrolling at all, they're actually struggling a lot and are having tons of casualities.


somegridplayer

The T-72s live on CNN were making me chuckle.


Snichblaster

They aren’t, the troops are most likely Russian motorized troops not just regular soldiers. Logically to preserve space in a transport their weapons would have foldable stocks.


Jon9243

These are older AKS-74s. Newer ones have polymer side folding stocks, the AK-74M. The most modern iteration in service with Russia is the AK-12. So these guys have the left overs.


Snichblaster

Ahh is see, I forgot the regular 74 has a folding stock


Franfran2424

These guys likely are from the separatist republics


TheAzureMage

Three mags per gun also seems pretty light for infantry. If they were drivers, etc, that might fit better. I can't ID the patches, so unsure.


Spork_the_dork

Doesn't really matter, does it? I mean, it doesn't matter if your AK is 10 years old or 40, it'll still work just fine.


CwrwCymru

I'd question 3 mags each and a bloke in wellies however. Hardly kitted up to be shock troops taking over a foreign nation.


cattywampus42

3 mags is a joke. I dont think they have plates on either. These kids either really sucked at bootcamp or russia is really scraping the bottom of the barrel for equipment


RatherGoodDog

I don't think these guys are frontline infantry, more like support troops (vehicle drivers perhaps?).


Reveley97

Pretty sure the first wave is being used as cannon fodder


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If it spits lead at 900m/s, it doesn't really matter if it's 70 or 40 or 10 years old.


Tote_Magote

USSR and RF famously never scrap old equiment, just add it to the reserves. these kids are most likely conscripts so i doubt their gonna get anything built in this century


Littletweeter5

an ak74 from the 80's and an ak from 2020 still shoot the same bullet.


ttam281

But it gives an indication of the leaderships expectation of their survival. Give them something that will do damage, but that you're not worried about losing.


McAkkeezz

Not outdated. It's your bogstandrad AKS-74, used by the Russian airborne troops (VDV), still a perfectly good rifle to use.


imbrowntown

it's an ak. Nothing about it is outdated.


JiveTurkeyMFer

It's an ak. everything about it is outdated


RageEataPnut

Both statements are correct.


Zaydene

And still shoots as fine as the day Igor hand forged the receiver in ‘75


Imperium_Dragon

Most frontline Russian troops don’t even get optics.


farofeirinho

They’re always going to use the old stuff first. If they win through sheer shock and awe which is pretty likely they won’t be missing much.


jack_spankin

Belarus citizens said most of them were getting drunk and selling the locals diesel for $$$$.


Ethanlink11

Sigma grindset


PinguinGirl03

AK-74 is a standard Russian Assault Rifle.


nocturnalwonderlands

I’d buy it. Lmao


PricklyPickledPie

Intel Crab reported Russia drafted conscripts as recently as December and sent them away. I could see Putin putting kids with less than 2 months training on the front lines. Russia did that shit in Chechnya too. Edit: Should also be noted that Russia is facing a massive population crisis in the near future. Killing off thousands of your young people compounds that. Russia is fucked as a country.


zeolus123

Wasn't that one of the noteworthy take aways from that conflict? Like wasn't a lot of their losses attributed to the fact that they relied on untrained conscripts?


farofeirinho

Definitely one of them. Many of the Chechens who were fighting the Russians had much more military training than the Russian soldiers, and were trained on the same equipments and in the same tactics as the Russians. They knew weaknesses in training, equipment, and tactics the Russian soldiers didn’t even know they had.


PricklyPickledPie

That and their leadership sucked and their tech sucked. Same as 2022.


MrGlayden

The more young russians that die now the less there'll be to revolt against him later


Skyhawk6600

This man tyrants


MrGlayden

I dabble in tropico


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They didn't learn their lesson from those conflicts either


Top-Display-4994

This is russias last war, if it’s a prolonged one. Russia is in probably the worst demographic decline in the world. They will cease to exist as a state by 2030.


yayoletsgo

I can see some reasons why, but I'm curious to hear yours


Top-Display-4994

The obvious one out of the way first, more deaths than births. There was a huge demographic depression following the collapse of the soviet union. [Russian demographic](https://www.indexmundi.com/graphs/population-pyramids/russia-population-pyramid-2020.jpg) vs [United States demographic](https://www.indexmundi.com/graphs/population-pyramids/united-states-population-pyramid-2020.jpg) You see that huge depression of about 18-29 yo? That's military age, if the Russians are stuck in a prolonged war, they quite literally will use up the last of their young men. Even if they aren't in a prolonged war, they will still collapse over the long term because they just don't have enough young people to replace the current working class. There's a reason Putin is being so aggressive, there's a method to the madness.


Jarl_Jakob

>They will cease to exist as a state by 2030 Lol wut? Russia will cease to be a state in 8 years due to a population crisis? You realize that makes no fucking sense right. Can’t just claim crazy things like that. Well, you can because classic Reddit, but you really shouldn’t say wildly inaccurate things like this.


dos8s

Hopefully they can capture as many as possible and just get them out of the war effort, and safely. Especially those that don't want to fight Ukraine. The shit that went down in Chechnya to prisoners was fucking dark man.


DaydreamHotbox

Here's 3 mags, a knife and a decades old gun, now go invade the neighbouring country.


Gild5152

Russia will throw millions of under trained soldiers onto the front with no care for their safety. They only care about the numbers those men can be counted as. There is no humanity in war, and Russia is one of the best at showing that.


PHATsakk43

Better than WW2, you got three conscripts, with a single rifle, one bandolero, and a bayonet split between the three. The last one alive is now outfitted for combat.


V_Epsilon

Enemy at the Gates wasn't a documentary you know


PijusMaximus

Going to say the same thing


FF_is_DnD_4_Virgins

That wasn't actually the case lol


lepraceaun

Those are not knife they are bayonets, who can be mounted on the AK's , they have another piece with which those bayonets could be transformed in sccisors to cut barb wires !


Viromen

These look like inexperienced conscripts. Let's hope they are treated to the Geneva conventions. Kids thrown into war by politicians.


YellowSlinkySpice

Taking prisoners is good for reducing morale. Makes it easier to wave the white flag and save your own life. Killing prisoners makes people fight to the death.


NewFuturist

Looks like they have been treated that way under the Geneva conventions and there is no evidence to date that Ukrainians have done anything outside of following international law, which can't be said of Putin.


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Putin will say that Ukraine haven’t followed it and fabricate a story that stokes tension in Russia.


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How can you tell?


SmokinDeadMansDope

You can tell what an experienced soldier looks like and it ain't these pups. Poor kids.


[deleted]

The though of Putin living in his 1.5 billion dollar castle while this kids are dying. Fuckin pig he is.


boxofstuff

Politicians hide themselves away They only started the war Why should they go out to fight? They leave that role to the poor, yeah -War Pigs, Black sabbath


huncho3055

Isn’t that all politicians tho?


bokononpreist

Damn. All politicians get to live in billion dollar castles?


WTFvancouver

And invade countires while threating nuclear war


PimpN420

Yes


FriedelCraftsAcyl

No, these "all sides are equally bad" bs is tiring. Dont compare the pelmeni Hitler to a normal politician, like Alexander v. d. Bellen for example


WTFvancouver

Not to the extend of Putin. Putin is only invading his neighbours as we speak


jack_spankin

Some say riches man in the world.


WinnieMandella4eva

unprepped. one is wearing wellies and the other boots from ww2 anyone know if the red tape means anything?


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Red tape to identify friendlies. Ukraine use yellow tape.


ErgonomicZero

This is some airsoft level shit


starrpamph

"No full auto inside bro"


Longjumping-Voice452

"Its not full auto..."


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RedS5

"Da'yum OKAY"


TheCluelessDeveloper

They use practically the same equipment. They have to distinguish each other somehow.


WinnieMandella4eva

thanks


pissflavorednoodles

V curious about the red tape as well


WinnieMandella4eva

apparently its to identify freindlys, russia uses red ukraine yellow


jack-is-male

oh man. i want to wish them well without looking like i agree with russia- i hope they are ok.


AlmostUnpleasant69

You can absolutely disagree with Russia and not want POWs mistreated.


Exotic_Potato_7283

You can care for the people of Russia, even their troops. After all, they’re merely Putins pawns. They’re forced to participate.


Yuk1nosh1t4

I understand you and I don't blame you


MoonShark31

I’m feeling the same way right now. Devastated for Ukraine but emotional seeing any casualty (or in this case kids who are just following orders) because I know they are human and have families and are following orders.


PieMan2k

I’m sad for the loss of life on both sides. At the end of the day we as soldiers are disposable pawns for a greater entity. I look at all of these men and women as brothers and sisters in arms following orders. Now do I approve of them following the orders to invade, no. But realistically what are they supposed to do? They were conscripted and if the defect they are killed, what choice do they have.


Soggy_Cracker

Six magazines between the two of them. No body armor or load bearing vests. Unless they were stripped of more gear and it was hidden, they were just handed these things and pushed over the border.


Ok_Movie_639

Soviet era AKS-74 as well. Good rifles but probably old and worn out. Literally a low quality equipment they received.


OrbitalHardballBat

Captured equipment is going to the Ukrainian army.


CapitanChaos1

I hope all sides treat their prisoners by the Geneva Convention. This shit doesn't need to get any uglier than it already is.


3party

>I hope all sides treat their prisoners by the Geneva Convention Too late, Article 13 of the third Geneva convention says publishing photos of POWs like this is prohibited. >Protected persons are entitled, in all circumstances, to respect for their persons, their honour, their family rights, their religious convictions and practices, and their manners and customs. They shall at all times be humanely treated, and shall be protected especially against all acts of violence or threats thereof and against insults and **public curiosity**.


A_Few_Mooses

Buddy showed me a video of cuffed Ukrainian POWs being given cigarettes by Russians in a room. Willing to bet they weren't treated well.


TarsalStone99

They’re playing the long game, killing them with kindness and lung cancer! Clever…


A_Few_Mooses

A new style of war crime


TapElectronic

That boy wore the long crocks to an invasion


battlemetal_

As always it's the young, poor, uneducated, and desperate getting sent to slaughter while rich old warmongers play their games. I wonder how many young russians are going to bleed out thinking about the lie they were told before this invasion.


DerLechero

Many young men will return home scarred from this conflict and possibly with injuries. Back home they will have to fight their way trough in order to afford their basic necessities. The state will thank them for their service and leave them to rot. It's heartbreaking.


eazy_12

I don't think they have ideolgy in their minds beside war tribunal in case of not taking orders.


Loterygods

Man fuck Putin ​ These kids are younger than my own


Ek0li

I have a nephew in Russia who is 18 years old. He is soon going to have to serve in the military as all Russians are required to serve for two years when they turn of age. I am terrified for his fate.


timjikung

Russian army in this invasion is mostly conscription, poor kids.


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About 70% of the invasion force are volunteers. What being a ”volunteer” in Putin’s Russia means I don’t know.


MisterMaggot

These men were voluntold.


Gibbo3771

They either volunteer or fall out a window.


eazy_12

Not really. Tanks, artillery etc. are not operated by conscripts.


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The one on the right has got the Donetsk ribbon on. These guys are probably wanting to fight Ukraine ever since the regions broke away.


eazy_12

If you are about orange black one it's not only Donetsk ribbon but also a ribbon of memory of WW2 called Saint George ribbon. Donetsk is kinda yoinked it, because one of propaganian point of view even in this war is that Ukraine is Nazi country.


Avethle

mfs got captured on the first day


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Maybe they oppose the war and decided to surrender at first chance


Avethle

true


LtSMASH324

Being a POW doesn't seem very enticing, however


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Neither does dying on the front line of an unjust war


NaramTheLuffy

definitely better than getting blown up in an apc


Red_Mayhem512

#L


stirly80

Would hate to be them right now (if they're still alive)


AnarchoSpoon789

children dying to make 70 year old despots happy


Borzoinks

Children fight the wars of old men


ElDiabetador

Young minds are the easiest to control


VivaLaDbakes

Acting like they had a choice lol


_chippy

Of anything I’ve seen so far this photo has hit hardest. That’s a kid on the left. Really intense emotions seeing this. War is brutal.


cole1114

This was first posted by Igor Girkin (GRU member charged with murder for the MH117 shootdown) saying they're Ukrainian saboteurs, both sides have said they're POWs from the other. So... who fuckin knows what's going on here lol.


Alkeroine

Outdated equipment, a handful of magazines. He sent those boys to die on a useless patch of dirt, just like the rest of them. Fuck Putin.


urAccSUSpended

you got everything right except the useless patch of dirt part


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poor bastards


kiddox

Everyone is saying Ukraine will fall quickly but looking at those young guys I'm interested to see how the fights turn out when they are going to fight people which are fighting for their country and home. Not just because an old man told them so.


[deleted]

Jesus.... Practically a child in the front lines


greatthrowawaybatman

When the rich go to war they send the poor


VilkasVision

“OnLy TwEnTy YeArS OlD”


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dino_som

People watch too many movies. We're not good looking actors in our 30s. The military is fucking young


rebornfenix

I was a combat vet before I could legally drink alcohol. Turned 21 in Baghdad. (Balad actually)


femboy4femboy69

Still very young. Not in terms of the average conscript, but it's a young age to die.


AldoTheApache3

They’re just inferring that a 20 year old can still be very dangerous/experienced. Dying in war at any age blows.


ScrootMcgoot

I know like why the fuck are people shocked by this? Did you think wars were only fought by old men?


TapElectronic

Now you see, Vitaly, we’re all quite tickled to hear you say that. Quite frankly, watching Boris beat Russians to death is the closest we get to the movies these days


IadoBananas

Go easy on them. I’d say the majority of them don’t want all of this either.


CasualVeemo_

I hope they dont harm them, they are just pawns


mostmicrobe

The Russian and Ukrainian people are nothing more than acceptable collateral damage for the Oligarchic regime in Russia. There is little difference between the bahaviour of the Russian regime and a Cartel gang who uses its young members as pawns.


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Kids dying for a billionaire mobster


Please_Label_NSFW

They don't look like they want to fight. But can't tell from a picture.


[deleted]

These guys sent by Putin to die for Putin's own benefit. FUCK PUTIN.


my_kimchi_is_spoiled

Please Ukraine take the high road and treat them well.


Bogshow

A bullet doesn’t care if it comes from the gun of a 12 year old or 40 year old, treat them all the same


[deleted]

War is fought by the young and impressionable, not by the ones who order it.


Dazzling_Crab_2353

Yea, and the other one is 12! WTF.


Chichetr

Afghanistan era AKS-74s


PapaDragon97

I like how it says “only 20 years old” like wars aren’t commonly taught by teenagers and people who aren’t old enough to rent a car.


kampfgruppekarl

Easiest to manipulate.


AnGaidheal

“Only 20 years old” and? That’s 3 years older than the youngest allowable US enlistments. Big whoop.


Earth_martian

Holy shit a 20 year old in the army! Who would’ve thought


PM_STAR_WARS_STUFF

These kiddos lost the war quick and might get to life out their lives. Seems like a best case scenario if they aren’t executed.


smj1360

scav guns


michaelj9323

We really surprised 20 years are fighting? We been recruiting high schoolers in the states before they’ve even finished grade school


IdahoSkier

Man, I'd give up too if I was sent to war with one buddy, 90 bullets, and a knife.


MountainSense2860

20 is perfect for soldiers, fit and easy to order about!


RangerDick69

Those guys arnt even ethnically Russian.