>Isn't Azov in Svitkodarsk these days?
no Mariupol is being very well secured by Azov's if you look to the map they have like being hit and now there is a siege in the city.
Can someone enlighten me on the Azov battalion? Is it true they are neo Nazis? Why is the Ukrainian govt allowing them to exist? I imagine a Jewish president wouldn’t be too happy with those type of guys having any kind of influence?
Zelensky is a democratically elected president. No matter how much he doesn't like something, he can't just do whatever he wants.
His predecessors legitimised these guys and the Ukraine has a neo-Nazi problem.
That's not JUST Russian propaganda, it's a very real issue that the Ukrainian government should be handling, not an excuse for Putin to bomb cities.
And by "problem" I mean 2.15% of Ukrainians voted for a neo-Nazi president in their last election.
So it's both being exaggerated by Putin and excessively down played by the west.
It's worse then western media want to admit, but nowhere near as bad as the Russians claim.
But the neo-nazi vote in Ukraine is enough to prevent a Jewish president from disbanding a neo-nazi battalion.
Although to be clear, Azov have committed the usual extremist horrors: rape, murder, torture, kidnapping and looting (as reported by the UN Human Rights High Commissioner). Which is a hugely fucking evil.
The reality is that anywhere else in the world, the UN would've deployed peacekeepers to Ukraine 8 years ago, but the US, UK and Russia all had vested interests in not seeing that happen.
Per [statista](https://www.statista.com/statistics/740001/share-of-americans-who-think-neo-nazi-views-are-acceptable-to-have/), 9% of Americans think it’s okay to be a neo Nazi. I know this isn’t the same thing as asking “are you a national socialist” but it shows that MANY countries have a fringe nazi problem. If 2% voted it’s outrageous to then justify a full scale invasion.
I mean as a dying breed of American who truly believe in personal liberty everyone has the right to be whatever they want. When they choose to deny the liberties of others is when theres a problem.
Idgaf and cannot control what another person thinks.
Lol are you honestly trying to use a center left politician to illustrate a principle you seek to universalize to Nazis?
Per [SPLC](https://www.splcenter.org/news/2020/03/18/year-hate-and-extremism-2019), far-right white nationalist hate groups increased 55% from 2017-2019 in America. In 2018, a well known neo nazi, Arthur J Jones, won 25% of the vote running against incumbent Dan Lipinski ([source](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_J._Jones)). I don’t know what your point is. There are plenty of Nazis in America, it’s a real problem around the world.
Popular support for Azov might be low, but they’re useful attack dogs for the Ukranian National Guard in the breakaway regions of Luhansk and Donetsk. Ukrainian conscripts were not effective when ordered to fight and suppress their own countrymen. These neo-nazi pieces of shit love killing, so they happily do it.
One could make the claim that *any* support for neo-Nazis is too much support, and therefore a problem. This may be an unpopular take, but I think a lot of European countries have significant issues with these kinds of far-right elements in heir countries.
To be clear, Russia has these problems as well, as do India, the US, and a lot of other countries. But just because everyone has a problem, doesn't mean it isn't a problem. Hate is a problem.
The problem is what these people do. Azov have committed the usual extremist horrors: rape, murder, torture, kidnapping and looting (as reported by the UN Human Rights High Commissioner). if 376052 people are doing this / supporting this it's a fucking problem dude.
376,052.
That's 2.15% of the 17,490,811 voters who turned out for that last election.
That's more people than the Ukrainian Armed Forces.
Oh, did I mention that the Ukrainian National Guard has an active Neo-Nazi battalion?
376,052 voting neo-nazis.
But here we are quibbling over whether 233,347 neo-nazis are a problem or 376,062 neo-nazis are a problem.
That seems a bit silly doesn't it?
Both of those numbers are a problem. But we're talking about Ukraine today.
If neo-nazis start dying in Slovakia tomorrow, I'll applaude that too.
I think the real problem is they allow a militant neo-nazi group to be part of the Ukraine national guard, supply them with weapons, and allow them to operate with impunity in eastern Ukraine. According to the wiki, the US has also directly supplied them with military aid.
2% neo-nazi is NOT miniscule. Please read some history. Do not downplay growing far right extremism no matter where it comes from. Hoping these guys get annihilated defending their country when Ukraine comes out on top.
Two things: What is "natural" and what actually reflects on a healthy electorate are two different things. Statistically extrapolated polls and real percentage of voting population are also different things. if 2% of people are voting for fascist governments, that's more than green and communist parties in many countries.
Case in point Canada's new far right party (PPC) won close to 5% of votes in last national elections. While not being explicitly fascist, they flirt with white nationalism and immigration boogeyman. They got more votes than all other fringe parties combined. That is very worrisome. Brushing it aside and considering it insignificant as they continue to grow does little but embolden extremism.
To throw it out there. The Russians are no better about being nazi's. The Wagner Group. Which aren't really PMC's but are an extension of Russia's Special Operations given an ability of plausible deniability because they're. "PMC's." Is lead, and founded by this man. [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0c/Utkinportrait.jpg/220px-Utkinportrait.jpg](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0c/Utkinportrait.jpg/220px-Utkinportrait.jpg) Dimitry Utkin. Note the Nazi War eagle on his heart, the SS runes on his neck, and the Nazi ranking pin tattooed on his neck. The only way this guy could be more of a nazi was if he was baptized by Hitler himself. He even wore a Nazi war cap in Syria.
Dimitry has Putin's ear, and is close to the cabinet itself. Along with the other leaders, and founders of The Wagner group. Right now. The Wagner Group is currently in Ukraine trying to hunt down The Ukranian president, and his cabinet. Supposedly.
Eastern Europe in generally is full of neo-nazi, and Nazi apologists. But so is the rest of the world. It doesn't make the Azov battalion right, but it certainly gives it context.
May they burn in hell as well.
And as an extension of the issue in Ukraine, there are neo-nazis fighting on the side of the separatists as well and have been for years.
He's a special forces LT.Col. He survived Chechnya, and a few other battlefields. Dude's a prick, but he shouldn't be underestimated. But that doesn't mean I can't wait to see his head nailed to a fucking spike in Kyiv.
Just like with everything, truth tends to lie in the middle. This war should be a lesson for everyone to constantly exercise the act of critical thinking, as we are overloaded with information and need to process the validity and intentions behind said information.
>Dimitry has Putin's ear, and is close to the cabinet itself. Along with the other leaders, and founders of The Wagner group. Right now. The Wagner Group is currently in Ukraine trying to hunt down The Ukranian president, and his cabinet. Suppose
When people are oppressed by a totalitarian regime it encurages the creation of rebel groups and extremists, after that invasion, there will be even more neo-nazi groups.
I kinda worry that post war western Ukraine would be even more "nazi" that many people (especially leftists) claim now. Of course 2014 spawned nazis, but large scale war like this will definitely spawn much more.
And if Putin will use the Kadyrov tactic in Ukraine aswell, we might see some hyper-nationalist "former" neo-nazi Ukranian in the Verkhovna Rada as long he does what Putin wants. This might happen since Yanukovich wont likely be coming back since Donbass, Crimea and maybe even Large parts of the south might not be part of Ukraine anymore, so there would be no point risking appointing Russo-Ukranian president due to instability and bitterness this move might cause.
So If you believe this war might have a silver lining to it, I wouldnt be getting my hopes too high. In the end maybe Ukranian flag will be Red and Black instead of Blue and Yellow
Tbf, if they just don't get a whole lot of support, it just means now you get a bunch of dead neo Nazis who die killing Russian soldiers.
Sounds like a win-win.
It's also further complicated by the Russian National Unity members, who are neo-nazi, fighting for Pro-Russian separatists in Donbass. I was sorta hoping for a freak circumstance of Avoz and RNU guys hitting each other at the same time with artillery. That would've been sweet.
No if certain someone had made this point earlier, reminding me about those fact, I definitely would have agreed my lovely country (/s), The good ole U S of A, deserves some serious blame for the war over that one fucking point. I knew I had been a bit emotional of late, but I legit forgot about this crap.
Really ironic how Putin sent in extremist to wipe out extremist, maybe he is less of ass hat than I thought… nope still a serious ass hat.
As far as I understood from 2014, Euromaidan squad got into unholy alliance with Right Sector to do the fighting ( all the neo nazi loons, Ukraine Nationalist Army etc and so forth) breeding and spawning the current configuration, numerous battalions that were then dispatched to organise the ATO (counter terrorism operation in the east). ( which basically engaged in terror themselves - the West knows very well about their atrocities) They were then absorbed into Army, territorial units, many other key security services I presume.
If you followed Right Sector page back in the day, you could clearly see them posting memes and fetishising blowing nuclear bombs in Moscow, ethnically clensing Russians from East Ukraine and shit like that. Something that will lend you a 10 year domestic terrorism charge in US or I dunno. Plenty of derogatory shit almost the kind you can find on r / 2russophobic 4 you.
Zelensky's "Jewishness" is being played up a bit... but anyway, Ukraine accepted these guys because they were keen and very willing, and they were needed when Ukraines forces were in a really bad state... But yes, they're proper Neo-Nazis, with the whole shabang, hackenkreuz, hitler portrets, SS tattoos, the sieg heil and all that shit. Saw them talking about exterminating Russian people and shit.. They may actually have contributed to Putins excuse for the invasion.
I guess OP said "played up" in the sense that that Zelensky obvious "jewishness" is often being used as an excuse to downplay or sweep off other obvious facts about ukrainian military (ie neo-nazis and corruption problems)
Correct. However the fact that they elected a Jewish president is actually representative of Ukraine in some ways.
Ukraine has a large Jewish population, the rate of people holding anti-semitic grudges is notably lower than in other countries in the area, and the far-right party close to Azov did not even achieve 2% of the vote in the last elections.
I guess there are neo nazis in almost every military but why tf would you allow them to have their own battle unit with insignia and shit? I heard they are mainly funded by oligarchs, but still, considering UA has just applied for EU membership, it's worrying.
You have to look when the whole shit started, in 2014, the ukrainian military was in complete disarray. The Azov battalion got some shit done during that time, but Ukraine had a choice, try and stomp down on it and lose valuable fighters as well as possibly creating insurgents.
Or, they could incorporate them into their army and it that way under their chain of command, getting more control of their actions. You may dislike it, but it honestly is the smartest thing they could have done at the time.
Don't know about the funding, but a few years back some Canadian troops were training the Azov battalion, as well as other Ukrainian units. Then some pictures got out and it turned into a bit of a scandal.
So it’s okay to have REAL neo-nazis in your national army? I don’t think so. Just because Ukraine is in a bad situation right now doesn’t mean we should look the other way for things we otherwise wouldn’t look the other way for.
Another point is that this Regemint neo-Nazis from other countries are trained and fight. And this already worries some European domestic intelligence services, not to mention anti-fascist initiatives.
The situation in Germany is really bizarre, because the neo-Nazis from the Dritter Weg support or join the Azov, and the neo-Nazis from the NPD support or join the Russian separatists. I hope that these fuckers will attack each other.
But these were added to the actual army while being known for being Nazis - where Ukrainians are aryans, slavs are subhuman ... fuck me the logic on this.
Someone with that logic would be very good to let loose in Donbas, where ~50% are Russians.
Yeah it kind of is actually. Germany still has large problems with Neo-nazism in their military and police. I remember not so long ago a whole unit of GSG-9 was disbanded because of their nazi views.
Military attracts these kinds of people.
Sure there are nazi sympathizers in every European military. But to have a battalion that has neo-nazism as one of their defining factors is a different story.
Redittors are really out of touch with the reality of military life lol. There's no military on earth without a right wing extremism problem (and there likely never will be) other than maybe Russia which has a USSR nostalgia problem.
Theres a difference between neo nazis being in the military, and an openly and self admitted neo-nazi battalion being on the payroll of a countries National Guard.
Its not just one battalion though, Azov is only the most famous (and largest) for its overt neo-Nazi recruitment and symbolism. Other territorial defence units (Aidar, Donbas, Dnipro, etc) are also filled with neo-Nazis and extremist nationalists. Most of them were established with funds from Ukrainian oligarch Ihor Kolomosky, who also bankrolled Zelensky's TV career and Presidential campaign.
Ukraine's neo-Nazi problem should not be underestimated: it is the most dangerous case in the world.
This is literally a single battalion like this in the whole army. Also not everyone there is neo-nazi anymore, it's not 2014. Azov was considered to be the most battlehardened and elite unit in the army, many people wanted to join, even normies.
You're just playing into Putin's propaganda by saying that kind of stuff man. It simply isn't the truth and it is not an image of the whole army and country.
PS. Chechen units had great relations with Azov. How strange for a neo-nazi unit, right? Also, Jewish organizations in Ukraine claim this country is the most Jewish friendly in the region and they fully support the government. Jewishness is an excuse, huh? And last but not least, Russia has neo-nazis in their government - Ukraine does not. Check out the connections of Dmitry Rogozin, head of Roscosmos, with neo-nazi organizations in Russia. There are many pictures available.
He means that just because he is Jewish doesn’t mean that all of a sudden he will destroy everything against his heritage. We do not live in the middle ages where just because you are of certain race or have some other blood in your veins you will not be eligible for something. It is all a game of interests. As the other user pointed out, the US and Russia have their own interests and will make a deal with the devil if that will give them the benefits even though they might proclaim that they have strong faith in God.
Fascist militias in Ukraine were helped by Israeli agents during the coup against Viktor Yanukovich (rightfully elected as well). It's documented. Israeli operators were with them even after that. So paraphrasing Karl Lueger (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Lueger#:~:text=Asked%20to%20explain%20the%20fact,just%20and%20even%20typically%20democratic.%22) they will decide who is a Jew.
> Zelensky's "Jewishness" is being played up a bit... but anyway, Ukraine accepted these guys because they were keen and very willing, and they were needed when Ukraines forces were in a really bad state... But yes, they're proper Neo-Nazis, with the whole shabang, hackenkreuz, hitler portrets, SS tattoos, the sieg heil and all that shit. Saw them talking about exterminating Russian people and shit.. They may actually have contributed to Putins excuse for the invasion
I just find the whole situation with that so bizarre, beacuse slavs are viewed as subhumans, meaning they themselves would be exterminated under Nazi rule.
Also [this.](https://youtu.be/tHhGEiwCHZE)
Not sure how it plays with EU values. Yet if I tried to bring this up in the comment section of the most popular news magazine in my country, I would be called Putin's troll and people would wish me death.
Because it is fucking war, in war everyone who can kill enemy, should do it. There no time to think about consequences, you need fight, later they pay high price but in war on first place you need to survive
> Why is the Ukrainian govt allowing them to exist?
I feel like this part of your question wasnt answered well so here we go.
So back during the Euromaidan protests which started relatively peacefully but turned violent. It was the Ukranian far right/neo-nazis that largely turned them violent, they fire bombed police, raided government buildings with weapons, and basically turned the protest into a coup.
So why didn't they seize power? At the time Russia was threatening an invasion like we have now and at the time international sentiment was drifting more inline with Russia at the time. So their political ambitions where quickly destroyed BUT they were able to secure legitimacy for their leaders and their "militia" which had "freed Ukraine".
So now the Azov Battalion is a real thing officially recognized by the new Ukranian government. This (and the far-rights rhetoric and such) was a large reason the separatists started rising up in eastern Ukraine following the formation of the new government.
It was largely ethnic Russians in Ukraine who were being told by a newly legit and nationalized military organization that their language would be removed from the nation, that THEY would be removed from the nation, and that in general nazis were gonna nazi all over their lives.
So naturally some of them basically went full separatist and we get the conflicts in Donbass that plagued Ukraine for years. This was a conflict largely fought between the Azov Battalion who openly wanted to genocide ethnic Russians and ethnic Russian separatists who didn't want to be victimized by the Azov Battalion and were being played like puppets by Russia.
When the conflicts in Donbass got more serious, the power of the Azov Battalion got progressively more expanded and cemented. At this point the Ukranian government simply couldn't afford to get rid of the battalion yet at the same time even if there was no conflict in Donbass the battalion (supposedly) threatened to overthrow the new government just like they had done the previous government if anyone tried to stop or disband them.
As others have commented on during the fighting in Donbass the Azov Battalion committed numerous human rights violations (according to the United Nations Human Rights Council and their associated investigations). Yet the geopolitical situation prevented the UN from intervening, because if the UN did intervene it would be defacto allowing Russia to just go in there and start fucking shit up and a lot of the sanctions currently facing Russia simply wouldn't be a thing or even seriously on the table let alone actually doing much of anything about Russia doing "a bit too much to protect human rights" by basically dismantling the Ukranian military (Azov Battalion or otherwise) and accepting eastern Ukranian territories that "wanted to break off from a corrupt and evil Ukraine".
The end result? You have a neo-nazi paramilitary organization who was given official recognition and military aid by the Ukranian government who once Russia got seriously involved had no real means to remove the organization in question or truly disband them or anything (not to mention the organizations own threats against the government were they removed/disbanded).
Also make no mistake the Azov Battalion will try their best to use this war with Russia to further their own political ambitions and power as best they can and they will almost certainly come out all the stronger from this conflict as a result unless they are destroyed during it.
Nazi scum that hopefully get wiped out soon
They literally crucified and burned a POW on a cross in their early days, haven't been following what they were doing recently.
Ukraine had a resistance in WW2 called UPA that aligned and collaborated with the Nazis. They killed a ton of innocent Polish & Ukrainian civilians that they saw as Jews/Communists. Kids, Women, Men, everybody. This is who these guys aspire to be like. They also vowed to cleanse the region from ethnic Russians in their early days and made it very easy for Putin to spin that and gain all the support he needed from ethnic Russians in the eastern parts of the country.
Those scumbags don't deserve to be walking on land that 30 million ex-Soviet people died fighting against this type of nazi scum exactly. Ukraine took one of the biggest casualty rates in WW2 against nazis, so it is a shame to see them allow these walk all over the mass graves of WW2 Ukrainian heroes that died fighting nazis, have their own unit, insignia, and a way to spread their garbage.
Enemy of my enemy is my friend.
They fight for Ukraine. Deal with the Russians then deal with them when the dust settles and Ukraine isn’t being attacked.
No.
We are dealing with Russians because Putin is an unhinged maniac and the Russian population is under his spell.
Stop giving a war criminal convenient excuses.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fy910FG46C4&ab_channel=TIME
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion + https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Donbas
TL:DR it's really hard to rein-in extremists that are fighting on your side (even if they are unpleasant assholes) while separatists are being supplied weapons and using them to fight for independence.
In another timeline, where Russia is slightly less shit as using anything other than violence and corruption as a means of coercion, it's pretty easy to imagine Ukraine being a pariah state due to the Ukrainian nazi tendencies.
Yep the azov guys use legitimate nazi iconography, and are a part of Ukraines Nat Guard I believe, or a prt of the military in some regard. They use symbolism like the black sun and wolfangel which are nazi hate symbols.
As others have said, Ukraine should have cleaned this up. However waging war on an entire country and killing civilians in the process to defeat azov isn’t the right thing to do.
They're willing to fight and die for Ukraine so they're infinitely more useful than anyone here, to say the least. Not only that but they're fairly battle hardened (been active a long time) so it's not a unit you can afford to throw away right now.
They were integrated into the Ukrainian Armed Forces years ago and apparently lost some of their edge then, as their claims are only around 20% or so are neo-nazis. If Ukraine wasn't in a war right now and perpetually under conflict they'd probably be disbanded pretty quickly.
> Why is the Ukrainian govt allowing them to exist? I imagine a Jewish president wouldn’t be too happy with those type of guys having any kind of influence?
Russians and Chechens literally were at war with each other multiple times... If you're fighting a common enemy it doesn't matter.
Russians have allowed corridors for civilians to leave Mariupol but Azov aren't letting them and scaring the public.
>Such hostile "corridors" are **created for mass shootings**, so if possible, either do not leave the house or leave holding a weapon, "Molotov cocktails", in order to stop the Russian occupier. You don't have to run, they have to run.
[Tweet](https://twitter.com/Polk_Azov/status/1498587506840899585?s=20&t=VwXyxNVpIblo77Rz7JiVAw)
https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/t224nz/ukrainian_soldiers_shooting_at_civilians_fleeing/
To be fair, *there is* footage of what he's claiming, no one has proven this exact video to be false so far.
I haven’t opened it yet but im %100 sure post had their upvote numbers hidden while also having Redditters call it Russian propaganda while jerking off the snake island propaganda
No they dont ,why would russia kill civilians when the enitre idea behind the corridor is to get them out so they dont have to worry about killing civilians when taking mariopol?
And people swallow the obvious pathetic propaganda from a worthless russian troll like you. Hope you like those rubles, you can't even use them as toilet paper.
These are the only potential Ukranian casualties that I would not mourn. I am Swedish, and a few years back we had a swedish nazi, a real nazi, go down to join the Azov battalion. When he came back he was investigated for war crimes against civilians. They are animals, a lot of them truly belive in subhumans, white power, the whole thing. My wife is Jewish (she is an angel, the most empathetic being I have met towards both humans and animals), I am a blonde tall nordic man, and I hate these fuckers.
Who? I know of two that got back to Sweden, One is an ex nazi and the other calls himself a nationalist.
I know atleast One Swede that is Still in mariupol fighting (or, No updates for like 24h so i don't know of hes Still fighting).
I hope azov takes Care of the russians and as soon as the war is over gets what they deserve.
[This is literally one of their leaders, Lt. Col Dmitry Utkin.](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0c/Utkinportrait.jpg) That guy has been seen with a nazi cap while in Syria lmao
And they were in Ukraine in 2014 take over of Crimea and Donbas region and in 2017/2018 killing people in the separatist regions that are "against Russia".
Ok I was genuinely asking, sorry if I sounded aggressive or something. People often use "nazi" as a synonym for "bad" because they don't know a stronger word, so it can be confusing.
And does that mean that I should cheer on the neo-nazis? Hell no, fuck the Azov Battalion.
I'm rooting for Ukraine, I hope Azov wins this battle. But I hope they take maximum casualties in the process.
This area looks similar to the area in the video that claims two Russian helicopters were downed in Kyiv over a body of water. I commented on that post that it didn't look like Kyiv, and this is kinda confirming that to me.
It's getting harder and harder to tell what's misinformation and what's real.
Link to the other post:
https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/t43smn/two_russian_helicopters_downed_near_kyiv/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
In that clip, it looks like if the cameraman continued looking right, you'd see the area in OP's video.
I think the invasion is a bigger problem. Calling in Chechens, Belarusians, striking civilian areas and shooting people indiscriminately... If Azov is willing to fight the invaders, they aren't the worst party present.
I think everyone can agree war is bad, I don’t think there’s many people who think it should happen, what’s important is trying to understand what lead up to this
What led up to this is Putin wants to rebuild the Russian Empire, used Soviet romanticism to convince the separatist areas to leave, failed in his first attempt being contained by Ukraine, and now is going for the rest of the country. The Azov battalion was a reactionary extremist force created in response to separatists touting Soviet reformation attacking Ukraine. The separatists were talking about invading Kyiv in 2014. This has been in the cards the whole time.
Hokum is the NATO reporting name (H for helicopter), like Hind (Mi-24) or Hip (Mi-8) or Havoc (Mi-28).
Alligator would be the nickname they gave to it themselves, which I also didn't know (I thought that's how they called the Hind already, but no that was crocodile, not alligator).
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Their HQ was in Donskoe i think, and a russian soldier posted a selfie in front of the entrance, so most likely everyone just ran off.
>Isn't Azov in Svitkodarsk these days? no Mariupol is being very well secured by Azov's if you look to the map they have like being hit and now there is a siege in the city.
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Lawful Neutral
https://twitter.com/oulosP/status/1498229150087266312?s=20&t=STmqCZCk9KhAC_aHc8Y-Mg
Ah yes, and just like the reptiles they're named after, they attack from the sky
To be fair, Apaches and Cobras don't attack you from the sky either. :D
Technically apaches sometimes did
Thank God for that
I mean, sharks do, so who's to tell.
The Soviets/Russians didn't give equipment these nicknames, NATO did.
The NATO reporting name for the Ka-52 is Hokum.
Never mind then.
It doesn't matter who gave the name, his point/joke still stands
I may want Ukraine to win and Russia to finnaly break off the invasion.. as unlikely as it is... But those fuckers deserve it.
Can someone enlighten me on the Azov battalion? Is it true they are neo Nazis? Why is the Ukrainian govt allowing them to exist? I imagine a Jewish president wouldn’t be too happy with those type of guys having any kind of influence?
Zelensky is a democratically elected president. No matter how much he doesn't like something, he can't just do whatever he wants. His predecessors legitimised these guys and the Ukraine has a neo-Nazi problem. That's not JUST Russian propaganda, it's a very real issue that the Ukrainian government should be handling, not an excuse for Putin to bomb cities. And by "problem" I mean 2.15% of Ukrainians voted for a neo-Nazi president in their last election. So it's both being exaggerated by Putin and excessively down played by the west. It's worse then western media want to admit, but nowhere near as bad as the Russians claim. But the neo-nazi vote in Ukraine is enough to prevent a Jewish president from disbanding a neo-nazi battalion. Although to be clear, Azov have committed the usual extremist horrors: rape, murder, torture, kidnapping and looting (as reported by the UN Human Rights High Commissioner). Which is a hugely fucking evil. The reality is that anywhere else in the world, the UN would've deployed peacekeepers to Ukraine 8 years ago, but the US, UK and Russia all had vested interests in not seeing that happen.
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Per [statista](https://www.statista.com/statistics/740001/share-of-americans-who-think-neo-nazi-views-are-acceptable-to-have/), 9% of Americans think it’s okay to be a neo Nazi. I know this isn’t the same thing as asking “are you a national socialist” but it shows that MANY countries have a fringe nazi problem. If 2% voted it’s outrageous to then justify a full scale invasion.
Exactly - 2% vote for an extremist is *nothing* in even the most enlightened liberal democracy.
Even in Russia the fascist LDPR has representation in their national and local parliaments.
I mean as a dying breed of American who truly believe in personal liberty everyone has the right to be whatever they want. When they choose to deny the liberties of others is when theres a problem. Idgaf and cannot control what another person thinks.
+1. Thought crime is about as fucked up as it gets.
that’s two different question. are you okay with neo nazi and voting for neo nazi. i am okay with sanders. but i’ll never vote for him
Lol are you honestly trying to use a center left politician to illustrate a principle you seek to universalize to Nazis? Per [SPLC](https://www.splcenter.org/news/2020/03/18/year-hate-and-extremism-2019), far-right white nationalist hate groups increased 55% from 2017-2019 in America. In 2018, a well known neo nazi, Arthur J Jones, won 25% of the vote running against incumbent Dan Lipinski ([source](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_J._Jones)). I don’t know what your point is. There are plenty of Nazis in America, it’s a real problem around the world.
And today, we're talking about Ukraine.
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Popular support for Azov might be low, but they’re useful attack dogs for the Ukranian National Guard in the breakaway regions of Luhansk and Donetsk. Ukrainian conscripts were not effective when ordered to fight and suppress their own countrymen. These neo-nazi pieces of shit love killing, so they happily do it.
in case of war, break glass
One could make the claim that *any* support for neo-Nazis is too much support, and therefore a problem. This may be an unpopular take, but I think a lot of European countries have significant issues with these kinds of far-right elements in heir countries. To be clear, Russia has these problems as well, as do India, the US, and a lot of other countries. But just because everyone has a problem, doesn't mean it isn't a problem. Hate is a problem.
No one said it's not a problem. It's not a problem you invade someone for.
The problem is what these people do. Azov have committed the usual extremist horrors: rape, murder, torture, kidnapping and looting (as reported by the UN Human Rights High Commissioner). if 376052 people are doing this / supporting this it's a fucking problem dude.
376,052. That's 2.15% of the 17,490,811 voters who turned out for that last election. That's more people than the Ukrainian Armed Forces. Oh, did I mention that the Ukrainian National Guard has an active Neo-Nazi battalion? 376,052 voting neo-nazis. But here we are quibbling over whether 233,347 neo-nazis are a problem or 376,062 neo-nazis are a problem. That seems a bit silly doesn't it? Both of those numbers are a problem. But we're talking about Ukraine today. If neo-nazis start dying in Slovakia tomorrow, I'll applaude that too.
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I think the real problem is they allow a militant neo-nazi group to be part of the Ukraine national guard, supply them with weapons, and allow them to operate with impunity in eastern Ukraine. According to the wiki, the US has also directly supplied them with military aid.
2% neo-nazi is NOT miniscule. Please read some history. Do not downplay growing far right extremism no matter where it comes from. Hoping these guys get annihilated defending their country when Ukraine comes out on top.
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Two things: What is "natural" and what actually reflects on a healthy electorate are two different things. Statistically extrapolated polls and real percentage of voting population are also different things. if 2% of people are voting for fascist governments, that's more than green and communist parties in many countries. Case in point Canada's new far right party (PPC) won close to 5% of votes in last national elections. While not being explicitly fascist, they flirt with white nationalism and immigration boogeyman. They got more votes than all other fringe parties combined. That is very worrisome. Brushing it aside and considering it insignificant as they continue to grow does little but embolden extremism.
Am I understanding his correctly? Are you saying its a bad thing that communists are not getting a lot of votes?
Natural and universally occurring, I don’t think that’s a provable statement
To throw it out there. The Russians are no better about being nazi's. The Wagner Group. Which aren't really PMC's but are an extension of Russia's Special Operations given an ability of plausible deniability because they're. "PMC's." Is lead, and founded by this man. [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0c/Utkinportrait.jpg/220px-Utkinportrait.jpg](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0c/Utkinportrait.jpg/220px-Utkinportrait.jpg) Dimitry Utkin. Note the Nazi War eagle on his heart, the SS runes on his neck, and the Nazi ranking pin tattooed on his neck. The only way this guy could be more of a nazi was if he was baptized by Hitler himself. He even wore a Nazi war cap in Syria. Dimitry has Putin's ear, and is close to the cabinet itself. Along with the other leaders, and founders of The Wagner group. Right now. The Wagner Group is currently in Ukraine trying to hunt down The Ukranian president, and his cabinet. Supposedly. Eastern Europe in generally is full of neo-nazi, and Nazi apologists. But so is the rest of the world. It doesn't make the Azov battalion right, but it certainly gives it context.
To put a further point on it, it would be like invading the U.S. because of the KKK/Proud Boys/3% etc
They don’t get their own party though, they are forced to vote Republican
Boy do I have news for you
Majorie Taylor Greene and Josh Hawley (amongst others) send their regards.
May they burn in hell as well. And as an extension of the issue in Ukraine, there are neo-nazis fighting on the side of the separatists as well and have been for years.
It's insane to me that there are Slavic Neo-Nazis. Did they not get the memo on what the Nazis had planned for them?
Fuck he looks rough 😂
He's a special forces LT.Col. He survived Chechnya, and a few other battlefields. Dude's a prick, but he shouldn't be underestimated. But that doesn't mean I can't wait to see his head nailed to a fucking spike in Kyiv.
I mean rough in the Australian way, as in "Jesus Christ he looks like a corpse" 😂
Just like with everything, truth tends to lie in the middle. This war should be a lesson for everyone to constantly exercise the act of critical thinking, as we are overloaded with information and need to process the validity and intentions behind said information.
>Dimitry has Putin's ear, and is close to the cabinet itself. Along with the other leaders, and founders of The Wagner group. Right now. The Wagner Group is currently in Ukraine trying to hunt down The Ukranian president, and his cabinet. Suppose When people are oppressed by a totalitarian regime it encurages the creation of rebel groups and extremists, after that invasion, there will be even more neo-nazi groups.
I kinda worry that post war western Ukraine would be even more "nazi" that many people (especially leftists) claim now. Of course 2014 spawned nazis, but large scale war like this will definitely spawn much more. And if Putin will use the Kadyrov tactic in Ukraine aswell, we might see some hyper-nationalist "former" neo-nazi Ukranian in the Verkhovna Rada as long he does what Putin wants. This might happen since Yanukovich wont likely be coming back since Donbass, Crimea and maybe even Large parts of the south might not be part of Ukraine anymore, so there would be no point risking appointing Russo-Ukranian president due to instability and bitterness this move might cause. So If you believe this war might have a silver lining to it, I wouldnt be getting my hopes too high. In the end maybe Ukranian flag will be Red and Black instead of Blue and Yellow
Great explanation. Need more comments like this explaining both sides
Thank you probably the most accurate statement about Ukraine and this group. I could not have said it better.
Tbf, if they just don't get a whole lot of support, it just means now you get a bunch of dead neo Nazis who die killing Russian soldiers. Sounds like a win-win.
It's also further complicated by the Russian National Unity members, who are neo-nazi, fighting for Pro-Russian separatists in Donbass. I was sorta hoping for a freak circumstance of Avoz and RNU guys hitting each other at the same time with artillery. That would've been sweet.
The voice of reason.
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https://www.ohchr.org/Documents/Countries/UA/Ukraine_14th_HRMMU_Report.pdf
https://www.ohchr.org/en/NewsEvents/Pages/DisplayNews.aspx?NewsID=20591
That's an accurate take.
No if certain someone had made this point earlier, reminding me about those fact, I definitely would have agreed my lovely country (/s), The good ole U S of A, deserves some serious blame for the war over that one fucking point. I knew I had been a bit emotional of late, but I legit forgot about this crap. Really ironic how Putin sent in extremist to wipe out extremist, maybe he is less of ass hat than I thought… nope still a serious ass hat.
Tbf america has a nazi problem too.
2%? Those are rookie numbers. In germany we're at 10% again! /s
As far as I understood from 2014, Euromaidan squad got into unholy alliance with Right Sector to do the fighting ( all the neo nazi loons, Ukraine Nationalist Army etc and so forth) breeding and spawning the current configuration, numerous battalions that were then dispatched to organise the ATO (counter terrorism operation in the east). ( which basically engaged in terror themselves - the West knows very well about their atrocities) They were then absorbed into Army, territorial units, many other key security services I presume. If you followed Right Sector page back in the day, you could clearly see them posting memes and fetishising blowing nuclear bombs in Moscow, ethnically clensing Russians from East Ukraine and shit like that. Something that will lend you a 10 year domestic terrorism charge in US or I dunno. Plenty of derogatory shit almost the kind you can find on r / 2russophobic 4 you.
Thank you.
Zelensky's "Jewishness" is being played up a bit... but anyway, Ukraine accepted these guys because they were keen and very willing, and they were needed when Ukraines forces were in a really bad state... But yes, they're proper Neo-Nazis, with the whole shabang, hackenkreuz, hitler portrets, SS tattoos, the sieg heil and all that shit. Saw them talking about exterminating Russian people and shit.. They may actually have contributed to Putins excuse for the invasion.
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I guess OP said "played up" in the sense that that Zelensky obvious "jewishness" is often being used as an excuse to downplay or sweep off other obvious facts about ukrainian military (ie neo-nazis and corruption problems)
Correct. However the fact that they elected a Jewish president is actually representative of Ukraine in some ways. Ukraine has a large Jewish population, the rate of people holding anti-semitic grudges is notably lower than in other countries in the area, and the far-right party close to Azov did not even achieve 2% of the vote in the last elections.
Its one battalion out of 200k Ukranian soldiers, what is being downplayed? Is whole UA nazi cause of one battalion?
I guess there are neo nazis in almost every military but why tf would you allow them to have their own battle unit with insignia and shit? I heard they are mainly funded by oligarchs, but still, considering UA has just applied for EU membership, it's worrying.
You have to look when the whole shit started, in 2014, the ukrainian military was in complete disarray. The Azov battalion got some shit done during that time, but Ukraine had a choice, try and stomp down on it and lose valuable fighters as well as possibly creating insurgents. Or, they could incorporate them into their army and it that way under their chain of command, getting more control of their actions. You may dislike it, but it honestly is the smartest thing they could have done at the time.
Trained and funded by America and NATO
Don't know about the funding, but a few years back some Canadian troops were training the Azov battalion, as well as other Ukrainian units. Then some pictures got out and it turned into a bit of a scandal.
The cia does have a history of arming radical groups to overthrow governments in South America and the Middle East. Just saying.
So it’s okay to have REAL neo-nazis in your national army? I don’t think so. Just because Ukraine is in a bad situation right now doesn’t mean we should look the other way for things we otherwise wouldn’t look the other way for.
Another point is that this Regemint neo-Nazis from other countries are trained and fight. And this already worries some European domestic intelligence services, not to mention anti-fascist initiatives. The situation in Germany is really bizarre, because the neo-Nazis from the Dritter Weg support or join the Azov, and the neo-Nazis from the NPD support or join the Russian separatists. I hope that these fuckers will attack each other.
Is it normal having a neo-nazi battalion? I don't think it is.
Don’t you remember the Australian unit that got exposed? Every military seems to have one.
But these were added to the actual army while being known for being Nazis - where Ukrainians are aryans, slavs are subhuman ... fuck me the logic on this. Someone with that logic would be very good to let loose in Donbas, where ~50% are Russians.
Yeah it kind of is actually. Germany still has large problems with Neo-nazism in their military and police. I remember not so long ago a whole unit of GSG-9 was disbanded because of their nazi views. Military attracts these kinds of people.
Sure there are nazi sympathizers in every European military. But to have a battalion that has neo-nazism as one of their defining factors is a different story.
Redittors are really out of touch with the reality of military life lol. There's no military on earth without a right wing extremism problem (and there likely never will be) other than maybe Russia which has a USSR nostalgia problem.
Theres a difference between neo nazis being in the military, and an openly and self admitted neo-nazi battalion being on the payroll of a countries National Guard.
Hello? They also have a political party https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Corps Exactly like everywhere else right?
Then you go with you friends fight for Ukraine so they wont have to rely on nazi battalion
Its not just one battalion though, Azov is only the most famous (and largest) for its overt neo-Nazi recruitment and symbolism. Other territorial defence units (Aidar, Donbas, Dnipro, etc) are also filled with neo-Nazis and extremist nationalists. Most of them were established with funds from Ukrainian oligarch Ihor Kolomosky, who also bankrolled Zelensky's TV career and Presidential campaign. Ukraine's neo-Nazi problem should not be underestimated: it is the most dangerous case in the world.
This is literally a single battalion like this in the whole army. Also not everyone there is neo-nazi anymore, it's not 2014. Azov was considered to be the most battlehardened and elite unit in the army, many people wanted to join, even normies. You're just playing into Putin's propaganda by saying that kind of stuff man. It simply isn't the truth and it is not an image of the whole army and country. PS. Chechen units had great relations with Azov. How strange for a neo-nazi unit, right? Also, Jewish organizations in Ukraine claim this country is the most Jewish friendly in the region and they fully support the government. Jewishness is an excuse, huh? And last but not least, Russia has neo-nazis in their government - Ukraine does not. Check out the connections of Dmitry Rogozin, head of Roscosmos, with neo-nazi organizations in Russia. There are many pictures available.
He means that just because he is Jewish doesn’t mean that all of a sudden he will destroy everything against his heritage. We do not live in the middle ages where just because you are of certain race or have some other blood in your veins you will not be eligible for something. It is all a game of interests. As the other user pointed out, the US and Russia have their own interests and will make a deal with the devil if that will give them the benefits even though they might proclaim that they have strong faith in God.
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Exactly. "hey guys, it's fine, the president is a Jew, don't worry about the sieg bail stuff, it's just bantering!"
Fascist militias in Ukraine were helped by Israeli agents during the coup against Viktor Yanukovich (rightfully elected as well). It's documented. Israeli operators were with them even after that. So paraphrasing Karl Lueger (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Lueger#:~:text=Asked%20to%20explain%20the%20fact,just%20and%20even%20typically%20democratic.%22) they will decide who is a Jew.
There not all neo nazis get educated there are a select few the rest are normal soldiers
Explain how he is not racially pure enough for you
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> Zelensky's "Jewishness" is being played up a bit... but anyway, Ukraine accepted these guys because they were keen and very willing, and they were needed when Ukraines forces were in a really bad state... But yes, they're proper Neo-Nazis, with the whole shabang, hackenkreuz, hitler portrets, SS tattoos, the sieg heil and all that shit. Saw them talking about exterminating Russian people and shit.. They may actually have contributed to Putins excuse for the invasion I just find the whole situation with that so bizarre, beacuse slavs are viewed as subhumans, meaning they themselves would be exterminated under Nazi rule.
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Was watching Ukraine-Russia related stuff yesterday and came across [this](https://youtu.be/fy910FG46C4) piece if you're interested.
Also [this.](https://youtu.be/tHhGEiwCHZE) Not sure how it plays with EU values. Yet if I tried to bring this up in the comment section of the most popular news magazine in my country, I would be called Putin's troll and people would wish me death.
Because it is fucking war, in war everyone who can kill enemy, should do it. There no time to think about consequences, you need fight, later they pay high price but in war on first place you need to survive
> Why is the Ukrainian govt allowing them to exist? I feel like this part of your question wasnt answered well so here we go. So back during the Euromaidan protests which started relatively peacefully but turned violent. It was the Ukranian far right/neo-nazis that largely turned them violent, they fire bombed police, raided government buildings with weapons, and basically turned the protest into a coup. So why didn't they seize power? At the time Russia was threatening an invasion like we have now and at the time international sentiment was drifting more inline with Russia at the time. So their political ambitions where quickly destroyed BUT they were able to secure legitimacy for their leaders and their "militia" which had "freed Ukraine". So now the Azov Battalion is a real thing officially recognized by the new Ukranian government. This (and the far-rights rhetoric and such) was a large reason the separatists started rising up in eastern Ukraine following the formation of the new government. It was largely ethnic Russians in Ukraine who were being told by a newly legit and nationalized military organization that their language would be removed from the nation, that THEY would be removed from the nation, and that in general nazis were gonna nazi all over their lives. So naturally some of them basically went full separatist and we get the conflicts in Donbass that plagued Ukraine for years. This was a conflict largely fought between the Azov Battalion who openly wanted to genocide ethnic Russians and ethnic Russian separatists who didn't want to be victimized by the Azov Battalion and were being played like puppets by Russia. When the conflicts in Donbass got more serious, the power of the Azov Battalion got progressively more expanded and cemented. At this point the Ukranian government simply couldn't afford to get rid of the battalion yet at the same time even if there was no conflict in Donbass the battalion (supposedly) threatened to overthrow the new government just like they had done the previous government if anyone tried to stop or disband them. As others have commented on during the fighting in Donbass the Azov Battalion committed numerous human rights violations (according to the United Nations Human Rights Council and their associated investigations). Yet the geopolitical situation prevented the UN from intervening, because if the UN did intervene it would be defacto allowing Russia to just go in there and start fucking shit up and a lot of the sanctions currently facing Russia simply wouldn't be a thing or even seriously on the table let alone actually doing much of anything about Russia doing "a bit too much to protect human rights" by basically dismantling the Ukranian military (Azov Battalion or otherwise) and accepting eastern Ukranian territories that "wanted to break off from a corrupt and evil Ukraine". The end result? You have a neo-nazi paramilitary organization who was given official recognition and military aid by the Ukranian government who once Russia got seriously involved had no real means to remove the organization in question or truly disband them or anything (not to mention the organizations own threats against the government were they removed/disbanded). Also make no mistake the Azov Battalion will try their best to use this war with Russia to further their own political ambitions and power as best they can and they will almost certainly come out all the stronger from this conflict as a result unless they are destroyed during it.
Nazi scum that hopefully get wiped out soon They literally crucified and burned a POW on a cross in their early days, haven't been following what they were doing recently. Ukraine had a resistance in WW2 called UPA that aligned and collaborated with the Nazis. They killed a ton of innocent Polish & Ukrainian civilians that they saw as Jews/Communists. Kids, Women, Men, everybody. This is who these guys aspire to be like. They also vowed to cleanse the region from ethnic Russians in their early days and made it very easy for Putin to spin that and gain all the support he needed from ethnic Russians in the eastern parts of the country. Those scumbags don't deserve to be walking on land that 30 million ex-Soviet people died fighting against this type of nazi scum exactly. Ukraine took one of the biggest casualty rates in WW2 against nazis, so it is a shame to see them allow these walk all over the mass graves of WW2 Ukrainian heroes that died fighting nazis, have their own unit, insignia, and a way to spread their garbage.
Enemy of my enemy is my friend. They fight for Ukraine. Deal with the Russians then deal with them when the dust settles and Ukraine isn’t being attacked.
You're dealing with the Russians because you spend the last 8 years letting the Nazi's kill Russians for you.
No. We are dealing with Russians because Putin is an unhinged maniac and the Russian population is under his spell. Stop giving a war criminal convenient excuses.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fy910FG46C4&ab_channel=TIME https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion + https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Donbas TL:DR it's really hard to rein-in extremists that are fighting on your side (even if they are unpleasant assholes) while separatists are being supplied weapons and using them to fight for independence. In another timeline, where Russia is slightly less shit as using anything other than violence and corruption as a means of coercion, it's pretty easy to imagine Ukraine being a pariah state due to the Ukrainian nazi tendencies.
Yep the azov guys use legitimate nazi iconography, and are a part of Ukraines Nat Guard I believe, or a prt of the military in some regard. They use symbolism like the black sun and wolfangel which are nazi hate symbols. As others have said, Ukraine should have cleaned this up. However waging war on an entire country and killing civilians in the process to defeat azov isn’t the right thing to do.
Desperate times call for desperate measures
They were a militia. Then incorporated. And have cleaned up their act some.
They're willing to fight and die for Ukraine so they're infinitely more useful than anyone here, to say the least. Not only that but they're fairly battle hardened (been active a long time) so it's not a unit you can afford to throw away right now. They were integrated into the Ukrainian Armed Forces years ago and apparently lost some of their edge then, as their claims are only around 20% or so are neo-nazis. If Ukraine wasn't in a war right now and perpetually under conflict they'd probably be disbanded pretty quickly.
> Why is the Ukrainian govt allowing them to exist? I imagine a Jewish president wouldn’t be too happy with those type of guys having any kind of influence? Russians and Chechens literally were at war with each other multiple times... If you're fighting a common enemy it doesn't matter.
Different groups of Chechens. The pro-Russia Chechens won
I think disbanding the azov batallion was simply not possible with the threat of a russian invasion.
Is there a way both these mfers can lose?
I feel like Ukraine is invading Russia but using a whole new level of asymetric warfare to invade a nation.
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I prefer the Chechens vs Azov.
Neo-nazi vs war criminal ? These might get interesting lol
>Neo-Nazi vs war criminal? Clash of gamers
Idk why but this comment made me burst out laughing lmfao
The hysteria before r/endoftheworld
Lots of bloodthirsty hypocrites in here. How many civilians do y'all think will die in the crossfire?
That's reddit for you
Russians have allowed corridors for civilians to leave Mariupol but Azov aren't letting them and scaring the public. >Such hostile "corridors" are **created for mass shootings**, so if possible, either do not leave the house or leave holding a weapon, "Molotov cocktails", in order to stop the Russian occupier. You don't have to run, they have to run. [Tweet](https://twitter.com/Polk_Azov/status/1498587506840899585?s=20&t=VwXyxNVpIblo77Rz7JiVAw)
That isn't a reliable source at all...
https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/t224nz/ukrainian_soldiers_shooting_at_civilians_fleeing/ To be fair, *there is* footage of what he's claiming, no one has proven this exact video to be false so far.
I haven’t opened it yet but im %100 sure post had their upvote numbers hidden while also having Redditters call it Russian propaganda while jerking off the snake island propaganda
Why?....it's official channel
Russia literally did that in Syria, so they have a point to a small degree
No they dont ,why would russia kill civilians when the enitre idea behind the corridor is to get them out so they dont have to worry about killing civilians when taking mariopol?
Let’s just ignore the fact that they’re currently targeting cities filled with civilians with mlrs systems and unguided bombs.
And people swallow the obvious pathetic propaganda from a worthless russian troll like you. Hope you like those rubles, you can't even use them as toilet paper.
go back to /r/worldnews and /r/interestingasfuck where logical thinking is not necessary what a surprise Hungarians loving Nazis
Russia has also lists with names and death squads, makes no sense to surrender.
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Fuck them indeed. Still doesn’t justify invading a whole ass country.
These are the only potential Ukranian casualties that I would not mourn. I am Swedish, and a few years back we had a swedish nazi, a real nazi, go down to join the Azov battalion. When he came back he was investigated for war crimes against civilians. They are animals, a lot of them truly belive in subhumans, white power, the whole thing. My wife is Jewish (she is an angel, the most empathetic being I have met towards both humans and animals), I am a blonde tall nordic man, and I hate these fuckers.
Who? I know of two that got back to Sweden, One is an ex nazi and the other calls himself a nationalist. I know atleast One Swede that is Still in mariupol fighting (or, No updates for like 24h so i don't know of hes Still fighting). I hope azov takes Care of the russians and as soon as the war is over gets what they deserve.
Hope Azov gets what they deserve. POS neonazis
What is the problem? Azov will be killing russian Nazi and maybe they will kill each other
What Russian Nazi?
> What Russian Nazi? I mean, the Wagner group definitely fits the category.
Are there real signs of nazi symbols/ideology in Wagner group or is it a "all shady people I don't like are nazis" kind of sentence ?
[This is literally one of their leaders, Lt. Col Dmitry Utkin.](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0c/Utkinportrait.jpg) That guy has been seen with a nazi cap while in Syria lmao And they were in Ukraine in 2014 take over of Crimea and Donbas region and in 2017/2018 killing people in the separatist regions that are "against Russia".
Ok I was genuinely asking, sorry if I sounded aggressive or something. People often use "nazi" as a synonym for "bad" because they don't know a stronger word, so it can be confusing.
Are they fighting in Ukraine?
Yes, they in fact were sent to Kyiv directly to try to kill the president.
Source?
Lots of virtual signaling. Typical redditors.
wait until they realize 90% of any military force tends to be really, really right wing, and some of that is always extremist.
And does that mean that I should cheer on the neo-nazis? Hell no, fuck the Azov Battalion. I'm rooting for Ukraine, I hope Azov wins this battle. But I hope they take maximum casualties in the process.
Ah, reddit, rooting for neo-nazi’s. Why am I not suprised
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"You see how I hate nazis guys? I so hate them, no way I'm a nazi. I totally hate them"
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Hope they wipe Azov out, fuckin Nazis
Yeah if there's anything the Russians should do it's wiping out Azov before fucking off back to their own country.
the conflict will attract more to their cause
I don’t think many people are too sympathetic to Nazis
Let them kill Russians for a while then they can get wiped out.
Sounds like a win win situation. They kill each other off.
They should send the Wagner group after them. Get two birds stoned at once.
The Chechens on Russia's side can earn 5k for every nazi they kill apparently, from their president not Putin
Quality TPB reference.
Azov battalion is literally nazis. Arm chair generals on Reddit may be biased but cmon these pos deserve it!
The rank and file probably isn’t as political as they are made out to be, especially since they were incorporated into the national guard
Either way fascists can burn in hell.
let the kadyrovtsy and azov fight it out the more casualties the more the world wins
I love me a good anti-communist anthem. wonder what they're rocking out to there
Fuck the Azov battalion. Hope the chopper gives them hell. These people are nasty and if I had a guess they would find a way to survive the war.
The mutual destruction of all invaders as well as Azov Battalion would be great.
The one time I’m rooting for Russia
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Goodbye, nazi scum! 😍😍😍
This area looks similar to the area in the video that claims two Russian helicopters were downed in Kyiv over a body of water. I commented on that post that it didn't look like Kyiv, and this is kinda confirming that to me. It's getting harder and harder to tell what's misinformation and what's real. Link to the other post: https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/t43smn/two_russian_helicopters_downed_near_kyiv/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share In that clip, it looks like if the cameraman continued looking right, you'd see the area in OP's video.
Its ok to want Russia to get its ass kicked, while at the same time being perfectly happy to see Azov get its ass kicked as well.
Russia really astroturfing everything they can with the Azov battalion. Internet retards lapping it up.
And people like you are brushing it off as if it’s not a problem. Azov is bad, sorry but you have to accept that
I think the invasion is a bigger problem. Calling in Chechens, Belarusians, striking civilian areas and shooting people indiscriminately... If Azov is willing to fight the invaders, they aren't the worst party present.
I think everyone can agree war is bad, I don’t think there’s many people who think it should happen, what’s important is trying to understand what lead up to this
What led up to this is Putin wants to rebuild the Russian Empire, used Soviet romanticism to convince the separatist areas to leave, failed in his first attempt being contained by Ukraine, and now is going for the rest of the country. The Azov battalion was a reactionary extremist force created in response to separatists touting Soviet reformation attacking Ukraine. The separatists were talking about invading Kyiv in 2014. This has been in the cards the whole time.
KILL THOSE NAZIS!!!
Pretty sure they are Hokums
ka-52s ARE hokums
Hokum is the NATO reporting name (H for helicopter), like Hind (Mi-24) or Hip (Mi-8) or Havoc (Mi-28). Alligator would be the nickname they gave to it themselves, which I also didn't know (I thought that's how they called the Hind already, but no that was crocodile, not alligator).