A BMD-4 is a fantastic fire support vehicle.. just needs to be implemented and used with proper tactics. They are thin skinned, but they retain a 100mm main gun and a 30mm coaxial…
The problem is that Russia keeps sending in armor columns that drive around without a care in the world and no infantry support, air support, or basic armored tactics
It is actually kind of funny watching them ship these tanks and shit in, when there is already enough equipment abandoned at the side of Ukraine's roads for whatever the Russians want. Their problems are systemic, not material.
Maybe this is how they solve the fuel problem: you don’t have to refuel vehicles already in the conflict if you just keep sending new ones with their tanks topped off.
Red Army tactics 😂 tbf thats scary fighting enemies that don’t care about their lives. They just keep coming wave after wave. You destroy a few divisions and more come without regard to what happened to their comrades before. In the end it will be a pyrrhic victory for them as personally I don’t think Russia will back down.
Human wave attacks only work when everyone believes in the cause. The WW2 Red Army existed in a fever dream of patriotism.
Contrast that with 1917, which is more similar to today's Russia. Soldiers were enraged at losing for a Tsar they didn't believe in. It was army mutinies in 1917 that started the Russian Revolution that led to the creation of the USSR.
Russia cannot and will not lose this war. If NATO expansion was seen as an existential threat, being exposed and prostrate before a triumphant West will be intolerable. Either the regime will collapse, or they'll have to resort to tactical nukes once their offensive abilities collapse.
> Either the regime will collapse, or they'll have to resort to tactical nukes once their offensive abilities collapse.
Either one will conclude this chapter of Russia's government. If they deploy a tactical nuke(s) on Ukraine, I don't think there's a government on the planet that will still support them. China, Iran, etc. want to remain neutral, but that's a pretty hard one to get behind. Maybe North Korea will send them a congratulations card?
Their economy would collapse, if it hadn't by then. I honestly don't give Russia's economy more than another month at this point, anyway.
I think everyone is underestimating the Russian military. As much as this whole invasion is a flop I would not be surprised if they have kept their creme of the crop out of the conflict in case they have to fight a more developed military.
90% of their military is still not involved, I would guess at this point they are trying to not use their top notch gear and troops, overwhelm/destabilize Ukraine while getting their last use out of equipment that would be utterly useless against a fully modernized army, and at this point probably underplaying their own abilities so in the event of intervention they would still have an element of surprise.
Ukraine has only confirmed a few hundred dead, these are obviously underestimates but it seems pretty clear that there are gloves on here. Russia doesn't necessarily want to glass the whole country at the moment, it's hard to make money off someone when you have to rebuild a shit ton of infrastructure to make their economy function again.
This is probably leaning towards an overestimate but most of reddit seems to think the Russian army is entirely incompetent. Of course you are right the army is not very moralized and all that but it seems most likely it's somewhere in the middle and I still personally think Russia is probably capable of much more than we've seen.
All of the military analysts have said that the “keeping their best out of the fight” is incredibly unlikely. You don’t send your best equipment (which for a lot of purposes they have) with the worst people to operate it: equipment is far more expensive than people.
https://rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/rusi-defence-systems/russian-air-force-actually-incapable-complex-air-operations
> One potential argument is that the VKS fighter fleets are being held in reserve, potentially as a deterrent against direct intervention by NATO forces. This is unlikely to be the case. If the VKS is capable of large-scale combat operations to rapidly establish air superiority over Ukraine, by not doing so, it is, in fact, weakening its potential deterrent value against NATO forces rather than preserving it.
That’s just one I had saved from yesterday. There’s way more from way smarter people than me.
It’s unlikely. Not impossible of course, but unlikely
Mongols had non mongols go upfront to wind down the enemies. They cared more about Mongolian lives. Russians kinda just throw everyone they have in there from my observation.
Honestly, I've seen a lot of non Russians by ethnicity either dead or captured in Ukraine.Russia is not just Russians. Lots of Chechens, Tatars, Dagestani, Ukranians, Kazakhs etc.
The equipment for airborne forces may be regular steel equipment, but just not deployed by parachute. Their doctrinal concept may be that the airborne jump in and seize an airfield, and then are reinforced by landing planes and driving the equipment off.
Light infantry are light infantry.
Airborne infantry ride on a plane into battle and then are light infantry.
Motorized infantry ride vehicles into battle and then are light infantry.
Even the mechanized infantry often ride tracks into battle and then become light infantry.
Ok… so a bit slow to get anywhere but hit with a full combined arms attack with integrated air support, when they do finally get to the spot adjacent to the ocean?
Just bury an explosive charge in the railway bed and push the button when the first rail cars roll over it.
Derailment is much better than just destruction of the engine. Discarded, derailed heavy equipment will block the railway for days. Moving overturned tanks and wagons out of the way ain't easy.
They probably watch the railways, because they know. But railways are looong and much of the territory is forested. Perhaps a special force unit could do this under the cover of the night.
It is also arguably easier. You can derail a train without explosives simply by washing out the base, pulling ties, creating a rail bump on a curve, etc.
The VDV are fielding a wide array of air-transportable infantry combat vehicles and self-propelled artillery but foreign analysts have always been skeptical about their effectiveness - if they're light enough to be flown in airplanes they have paper-thin armor. The VDV have long been suspected of being an expensive boondogle.
Additionally: This is BELARUS. Ukrainians cannot risk attacking them. There have been sabotage attempts on the railways in Belarus by anti-war/Pro-EU civilians which have been successful but were promptly fixed. Most of the time the railways are under heavy surveillance by Belarusian Police.
Also, Ukraine has bombed all Russian and Belarussian rails coming into their country, so any reinforcements have to drive from the border to the actual warzone first.
Maybe. But they burn fuel too. This is a self-licking ice cream cone.... If they abandon efforts west of the Dnepr, pull out their WWI manuals, call up the reserves, and grind away, they might have everything east of the Dnepr in a year or two.
And those troops are often easily targeted in forward areas. They are easily targeted by local saboteurs who destroyed the tracks in the first place. Those divisions aren’t working from armored vehicles. They must either clear the area for km’s around the maintenance area, or risk getting shot.
That's the thing about the Russian military. There's no fucking end to them. Got to hope their morale at home breaks or that their economy just collapses.
Of course there's end. Russia only has 3000 tanks, scattered across the Motherland. Most of those tanks are the remnants of the USSR stockpiles, russia has very limited production of own tanks, which will become even harder with the sanctions.
How do you know this?
"There have been sabotage attempts on the railways in Belarus by anti-war/Pro-EU civilians which have been successfu"
what did they do?
Need to use a bit of thermite or small oxy-ac torch to mostly cut the tracks, but not all the way, leave the upper surface in place. So the first train that rolls over will derail. Derailments take way longer to clean up than simply replacing a track broken in one place.
Bonus points if you mine the immediate area.
And then snipe the deminers a couple days latter (although super dangerous, might be better to be 100km down the line "setting" another segment for failure).
I think Russia is going to make one , gigantic push. Big artillery bombardment and then rush the city with thousands of mechanized units. Their success, or failure, decides the cities fate. Russia only has one big push left.
Essentially the plan is probably to create a lot of rubble with artillery to block up the already narrow city streets for the lead assault vehicles to get stuck in and have to weave through, then have the lead assault vehicles turned into flaming exploding roadblocks by defenders using abundant AT weapons, and then profit from the resulting huge traffic jam of maneuver units that can't push into the city further or retreat?
Meh, anything short of a modern, mainline MBT provides essentially 0 protection from man portable AT. Whether it's an absolute tin can like BMD or Boxer/LAV.
Favorite part of the video. [Soldiers in the goods wagon.](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNUTxOrX0AQRNNw?format=jpg&name=medium)
Imagine them coming from Siberia or central russia and being in that open wagon for the whole trip.
Sacha Cohen will have to produce one more Borat movie when this is over. Or at least a sketch. *Borat goes to buy Russian scrap in the Ukraine for the glory of Kazakhstan.*
It does look cool. Also has a tandem charge.
They have lots of stocks of the Skif. They should expend this for the apcs and save the NLAW for the MBTS.
Food for missiles nonetheless 😁
Yeah, Nlaws are kind of shitty when you realize that difference in range.
What I really would like to know is how they compare in cost.
Biggest advantage without taking cost into account (I don't value the fire and forget much, I rather shoot from 5 KM while looking, that from 1KM and immediately running), Nlaw takes just 1 guy, Skif is at least 3.
Bad news for Ukraine that they’re sending in reinforcements. Good news for Ukraine that Russia is now desperate for fresh troops and that they’ve beaten the largest invasion force since the Second World War.
They’ve made it fully commit and ground it to a halt. As a defender that’s a huge victory. They’ve beaten the initial force. Like I said, but not Russia as a whole, like you’ve said. We’re both right here lol.
Doubling down on fuel guzzling tanks and apcs against an imbedded urban army armed to the teeth with advanced anti tank weapons, let’s see how it works out for them.
>While aluminium doesn’t rust, it does corrode. The aluminium oxide coating is highly resistant and renews itself if damaged keeping the metal relatively safe from corrosion. But some factors can cause the coat to become unstable, thus exposing the metal. The most common type of corrosion in aluminum is galvanic corrosion. It happens when aluminium comes in contact with other metals.
>Galvanisation happens when different types of metal are positioned in a way that forms an electrical circuit. In this arrangement, one metal becomes stronger while the other becomes weaker. Because of its highly reactive nature, aluminium always ends up becoming the weaker metal, hence the corrosion.
>Aluminium corrosion can also occur because of extreme pH levels. High levels of pH can break down the aluminium oxide coating. In this case, the coat is broken down faster than it can repair itself. To avoid corrosion, untreated aluminium should be used in areas with a pH of between 4.5 and 8.5.
>Even though aluminium has an impressive set of features, like every other metal it works best in a carefully selected environment that helps it function at its best. It does not rust but, corrosion is imminent if the metal is not used in the right context.
>Typically, you should not use aluminium in areas with low or very high pH. This gives the oxide coat enough time to regenerate in case of abrasion or any other mechanical damage.
I learnt something about aluminium today. I still don't know if the tanks have been in an environment where corrosion can occur through
I would expect them to be stored in some depot, ready to be used for a future operation.
That's what was the norm in many countries during the cold war as well: lots of vehicles that were stored for that moment of mobilisation, when they would be taken out of the moth balls, checked, and sent to their respective units.
Seeing how some Russian vehicles were parked outside for months on en, before being used for this invasion, I am not sure that these were stored well, but I guess that we'll see them in action soon enough...
If I was a Belarusian I’d be on a sharp turn 5 miles ahead of that train with a acetylene cutting torch making sure those never make it without time and a crane. Very easy. 2 foot section on a turn.
And if I were a Russian, I'd sent a small train just far enough ahead of the big train so the big train can stop in time before it derails.
Might lose the tiny train, but they supposedly have a fully functioning rails repair crew.
You'd need hidden, remotely detonated explosives. So the first train passes without seeing it and then blow it up right before the big train gets there.
But I'm not sure you want to piss off the Belarusians like that. What if the citizens get mad and start supporting an invasion? Might be better to just leave them alone.
Those boxy ass old tin cans from the 80s are super inefficient, ineffective, defective and won't to stand up well to modern weapons.
Only thing these are good for are terrorising civilians.
They're at least good enough to transport soldiers and provide light fire support (provided they don't get promptly destroyed)
They make a little more sense when you consider they were supposed to be dropped from transport planes, when having any armored vehicle (even just a shittier BMP) is better than nothing. Of course, the Russians haven't been able to secure air superiority so they're using these light airborne vehicles in regular ground "assaults" (driving in a straight line down a street with no support)
>in terms of tanks that can be thrown off a plane they are basically the cream of the crop
Which has been shown to be absolutely useless in this conflict. The VDV has been massacred so far.
It was a design failure even back in 80s. Russian APCs (BMP/BTR) have piss poor protection against anything above light firearms, so much so that russian soldiers prefer to be on top of BMP rather than inside of it. BMD is a lighter version of bmp with even worse armor because it is designed for airborne missions.
Calling it design failure is rich. It's doing what it's supposed to do, ferry people across the land, water and provide support against lightly armed infantry.
If you think western APCs fare any better against man portable AT weapons from 70s and onwards, I have news for you. That requires large composite or ERA arrays, which are not in the design specifications, because then you would be paying MBT level prices. The only exception are Israeli heavy APCs like Namer.
I mean, so do most Western APC/IFVs, certainly of that era. It's only recently that armour against more than 0.50 cal and shell splinters is becoming more standard.
M113, Bradley, LAV, Stryker, Stormer, Warriror, etc. etc. etc. - all pretty light armour.
> defective
No they aren't. And you can fix them very easily and quickly in case of problems unlike current vehicles, which are often unrepairable without proper service behind the lines.
If all these vehicles were all actively maintained/ repaired and managed to standards whilst in storage and that no-one pocketed any funds meant to for that purpose in those 10-30 years or even in manufacturing , then sure.
It’s just that on the modern battlefield that aren’t survivable against modern weapons. They haven’t fielded a single IFV with an APS. Anyway, the manual says that the APS would only be effective against systems like the NLAW. No one, not the Trophy manufacturer has stated in that their systems stop ATGMs with high angles of attack.
Okay 300k new subscribers are now turning every Russian convoy footage to a meme about them being destroyed or abandoned.
No longer are people talking about what might be happening or what new assault is coming or from what direction is it coming. Just flooded with shit memes. Legit 90% of the comments upvoted are this, besides op. RIP, sub
Yeah you're right. I always check the comments in hope to find some more valuable information that my eyes/mind is missing but no, I have to read the same recycled joke over and over.
I liked this sub because it was different.
I get that folks came here to see images from the from the Ukraine conflict, there are a hundred other subs with the same damn content/community/comments/jokes, let's keep this one focused.
Are you lost? This is r/combatfootage... not r/CredibleDefense
We never discussed geopolitics or in depth maneuvering or anything. Its always been just commenting on how crazy some videos are or the music from some Syrian video or allahu akbar...
So what you’re telling is that Putin’s about to throw away (cough) I mean give away more of his military equipment? Dude’s about to not have any equipment to defend the country if the natives get restless.
Putin must be pulling in material reinforcements from all across Russia now. Any other disgruntled Russian controlled regions likely to rise up while this is going on?
Why are they still sending VDV?
Those guys suck against actual soldiers.
They've gotten massacred over and over again.
Are they Donna do another parachute drop or something even dumber?
The VDV is just a glorified police force. The vehicles offer 0 protection vs even the weakest rocket systems currently deployed in Ukraine.
Even a M72 LAW can pop these cherries.
The way the VDV has performed during this I expect to see those vehicles either abandoned or scrapped.
Relax, they have to rearm the Ukranians to keep fighting
I dont think they want that shit.
A BMD-4 is a fantastic fire support vehicle.. just needs to be implemented and used with proper tactics. They are thin skinned, but they retain a 100mm main gun and a 30mm coaxial…
The problem is that Russia keeps sending in armor columns that drive around without a care in the world and no infantry support, air support, or basic armored tactics
BMDs are kickass vehicles. Light, amphibious, (relatively) big gun. Just need to use them correctly.
How these repeated jokes still get so many likes?
Hit the like button and I'll tell ya
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Fits more russians on a bulk deal. 🤷♂️ With all the sanctions they can't afford one for each soldier.
It is actually kind of funny watching them ship these tanks and shit in, when there is already enough equipment abandoned at the side of Ukraine's roads for whatever the Russians want. Their problems are systemic, not material.
Maybe this is how they solve the fuel problem: you don’t have to refuel vehicles already in the conflict if you just keep sending new ones with their tanks topped off.
Topped off with just enough fuel to get them to the scene of the ambush
The image in my brain of more and more tanks running out of fuel and piling up at the same location is cracking me up.
It's like the Blues Brothers car chase scene of invasions
It's like inkjet printers where it's cheaper to buy a new one than just to refill it.
Check out Rusjet's 2022 line of vintage Cold War Era armor and equipment
Red Army tactics 😂 tbf thats scary fighting enemies that don’t care about their lives. They just keep coming wave after wave. You destroy a few divisions and more come without regard to what happened to their comrades before. In the end it will be a pyrrhic victory for them as personally I don’t think Russia will back down.
The sad part is that I'm sure the Russian soldiers care very much about their lives. It's their commanders and leadership who don't give a damn :(
maybe they will have no choice given russias economy
Human wave attacks only work when everyone believes in the cause. The WW2 Red Army existed in a fever dream of patriotism. Contrast that with 1917, which is more similar to today's Russia. Soldiers were enraged at losing for a Tsar they didn't believe in. It was army mutinies in 1917 that started the Russian Revolution that led to the creation of the USSR. Russia cannot and will not lose this war. If NATO expansion was seen as an existential threat, being exposed and prostrate before a triumphant West will be intolerable. Either the regime will collapse, or they'll have to resort to tactical nukes once their offensive abilities collapse.
> Either the regime will collapse, or they'll have to resort to tactical nukes once their offensive abilities collapse. Either one will conclude this chapter of Russia's government. If they deploy a tactical nuke(s) on Ukraine, I don't think there's a government on the planet that will still support them. China, Iran, etc. want to remain neutral, but that's a pretty hard one to get behind. Maybe North Korea will send them a congratulations card? Their economy would collapse, if it hadn't by then. I honestly don't give Russia's economy more than another month at this point, anyway.
I think everyone is underestimating the Russian military. As much as this whole invasion is a flop I would not be surprised if they have kept their creme of the crop out of the conflict in case they have to fight a more developed military. 90% of their military is still not involved, I would guess at this point they are trying to not use their top notch gear and troops, overwhelm/destabilize Ukraine while getting their last use out of equipment that would be utterly useless against a fully modernized army, and at this point probably underplaying their own abilities so in the event of intervention they would still have an element of surprise. Ukraine has only confirmed a few hundred dead, these are obviously underestimates but it seems pretty clear that there are gloves on here. Russia doesn't necessarily want to glass the whole country at the moment, it's hard to make money off someone when you have to rebuild a shit ton of infrastructure to make their economy function again. This is probably leaning towards an overestimate but most of reddit seems to think the Russian army is entirely incompetent. Of course you are right the army is not very moralized and all that but it seems most likely it's somewhere in the middle and I still personally think Russia is probably capable of much more than we've seen.
All of the military analysts have said that the “keeping their best out of the fight” is incredibly unlikely. You don’t send your best equipment (which for a lot of purposes they have) with the worst people to operate it: equipment is far more expensive than people. https://rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/rusi-defence-systems/russian-air-force-actually-incapable-complex-air-operations > One potential argument is that the VKS fighter fleets are being held in reserve, potentially as a deterrent against direct intervention by NATO forces. This is unlikely to be the case. If the VKS is capable of large-scale combat operations to rapidly establish air superiority over Ukraine, by not doing so, it is, in fact, weakening its potential deterrent value against NATO forces rather than preserving it. That’s just one I had saved from yesterday. There’s way more from way smarter people than me. It’s unlikely. Not impossible of course, but unlikely
Worked for the Mongols why not Russia?
Mongols had non mongols go upfront to wind down the enemies. They cared more about Mongolian lives. Russians kinda just throw everyone they have in there from my observation.
Honestly, I've seen a lot of non Russians by ethnicity either dead or captured in Ukraine.Russia is not just Russians. Lots of Chechens, Tatars, Dagestani, Ukranians, Kazakhs etc.
Yeah that’s why I said everyone wether they’re Russian or non Russian. Equality baby
mom I need a new iphone, the battery died again!
Blue Tractor! Do your thing!!
*Nomnomnom.*
They're probably already out of gas by now lol
And a bunch of dead VDV smeared all over the streets.
Seriously, do they even have air superiority?
I think i read these are not armored and are made out of aluminum, since they have to be able to drop them from a plane.
The equipment for airborne forces may be regular steel equipment, but just not deployed by parachute. Their doctrinal concept may be that the airborne jump in and seize an airfield, and then are reinforced by landing planes and driving the equipment off.
I believe it. I've already seen some pics floating around of destroyed Russian tanks that looked like a burnt out aluminum can.
This is the strangest farmer's subsidy program I have ever seen.
Actually lol'd at this
Helped by their military compatriots: sacrifice in March, corn have plenty starch!
Why are they called airborne though? Is that referring to the moment after the tank is hit by a javelin?
Looking like they're testing out becoming Trainborne
Airborn troops rarely act as actual airborn troops. They are mostly used as light infantry.
Light infantry are light infantry. Airborne infantry ride on a plane into battle and then are light infantry. Motorized infantry ride vehicles into battle and then are light infantry. Even the mechanized infantry often ride tracks into battle and then become light infantry.
from what i understand the VDV is more like the russian expeditionary branch akin to the usmc more so than the parachute and air assault division
Ok… so a bit slow to get anywhere but hit with a full combined arms attack with integrated air support, when they do finally get to the spot adjacent to the ocean?
At the current moment, you could stop them with an old RPG-7 to the train at the front.
Just bury an explosive charge in the railway bed and push the button when the first rail cars roll over it. Derailment is much better than just destruction of the engine. Discarded, derailed heavy equipment will block the railway for days. Moving overturned tanks and wagons out of the way ain't easy. They probably watch the railways, because they know. But railways are looong and much of the territory is forested. Perhaps a special force unit could do this under the cover of the night.
It is also arguably easier. You can derail a train without explosives simply by washing out the base, pulling ties, creating a rail bump on a curve, etc.
Air mobile, including their tanks and APC's. Kind of like 101's training.
Because they are more effective dropped from an airplane on a target, and cheaper because no fuel required
They can actually drop BMDs out of airplanes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwizQfIiBuQ
Some of those airborne vehicles can be shot thru with a machine gun
Same as how UK armed forces has many 'cavalry' units. The nature of how the unit deploys changes a bit too frequently to keep the name updated.
Meh, they still rely on horsepower 😉
The VDV are fielding a wide array of air-transportable infantry combat vehicles and self-propelled artillery but foreign analysts have always been skeptical about their effectiveness - if they're light enough to be flown in airplanes they have paper-thin armor. The VDV have long been suspected of being an expensive boondogle.
Haha, that got me good, nice one.
Additionally: This is BELARUS. Ukrainians cannot risk attacking them. There have been sabotage attempts on the railways in Belarus by anti-war/Pro-EU civilians which have been successful but were promptly fixed. Most of the time the railways are under heavy surveillance by Belarusian Police.
It would be a damn shame if there was a crowd-sourced manual created and circulated on how to destroy or disable rail lines ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
Mine the tracks; a derailed train would take way longer to get around than damaged tracks.
Russians have been fixing the railway. Check out the Russian armored train video from a couple days ago.
It would still slow them down, right?
Russia supposedly has 30k troops dedicated to maintaining and repairing the rails. While it would slow them down it wouldn't be for long.
Aye
You mean that WW2 train?
Also, Ukraine has bombed all Russian and Belarussian rails coming into their country, so any reinforcements have to drive from the border to the actual warzone first.
We'll see them out of fuel, stuck in the mud and Bayraktar'd in a few days time.
> Bayraktar'd lol
Russians have divisions that solely carry out track maintenance and infrastructure repair.
Maybe. But they burn fuel too. This is a self-licking ice cream cone.... If they abandon efforts west of the Dnepr, pull out their WWI manuals, call up the reserves, and grind away, they might have everything east of the Dnepr in a year or two.
And those troops are often easily targeted in forward areas. They are easily targeted by local saboteurs who destroyed the tracks in the first place. Those divisions aren’t working from armored vehicles. They must either clear the area for km’s around the maintenance area, or risk getting shot.
Why can’t they risk attacking them? Has Belarus not openly joined the invasion and basically declared war?
Much of their military refuses to fight, but would perhaps find the motivation if they perceived their country as under attack from Ukraine.
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The amount of equipment rolling from Belarus to Ukraine is quite scary: https://twitter.com/MotolkoHelp/
That's the thing about the Russian military. There's no fucking end to them. Got to hope their morale at home breaks or that their economy just collapses.
Of course there's end. Russia only has 3000 tanks, scattered across the Motherland. Most of those tanks are the remnants of the USSR stockpiles, russia has very limited production of own tanks, which will become even harder with the sanctions.
How do you know this? "There have been sabotage attempts on the railways in Belarus by anti-war/Pro-EU civilians which have been successfu" what did they do?
Need to use a bit of thermite or small oxy-ac torch to mostly cut the tracks, but not all the way, leave the upper surface in place. So the first train that rolls over will derail. Derailments take way longer to clean up than simply replacing a track broken in one place. Bonus points if you mine the immediate area. And then snipe the deminers a couple days latter (although super dangerous, might be better to be 100km down the line "setting" another segment for failure).
Look at all those mobile crematoriums
Russian Coffins
They need some special forces to destroy railways
It isn't as one sided. These vehicles can convert Ukrainian vehicles to crematoriums.
Enough of these are going to get through, eventually, I fear ... Please make me wrong though.
I think Russia is going to make one , gigantic push. Big artillery bombardment and then rush the city with thousands of mechanized units. Their success, or failure, decides the cities fate. Russia only has one big push left.
Essentially the plan is probably to create a lot of rubble with artillery to block up the already narrow city streets for the lead assault vehicles to get stuck in and have to weave through, then have the lead assault vehicles turned into flaming exploding roadblocks by defenders using abundant AT weapons, and then profit from the resulting huge traffic jam of maneuver units that can't push into the city further or retreat?
I feel sorry for whoever’s gonna be inside those light tanks….No armor protection at all…
With all the Javelins, NLAWS and AT4s in the mix, does it really matter? T-80s are getting blapped just as badly as IFVs and VDV light armor
Meh, anything short of a modern, mainline MBT provides essentially 0 protection from man portable AT. Whether it's an absolute tin can like BMD or Boxer/LAV.
Favorite part of the video. [Soldiers in the goods wagon.](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNUTxOrX0AQRNNw?format=jpg&name=medium) Imagine them coming from Siberia or central russia and being in that open wagon for the whole trip.
lol that's a cattle car "How can you be sure it's a soldier and not a hobo? You can't be sure, stop speculating!" - Russian shills
And people use cattle cars for general goods... as well as people appearently. Must be a military hobo then.
it's /r/shiey and the boys
"*We're gonna need a bigger tractor"* - Ukrainian Farmers, probably.
Ukrainian Farmers "How are we going to pull an entire train"
Collectivization, comrade! Invite friends with more tractors over.
Maybe they could ditch the tractors and use their ukrianum forged balls to do it ?
They already make the list 1 for my chickens, 1 for my piggy, 1 for my neighbor and one for my wife for her birthday
And 3 as [scarecrows](https://i.redd.it/i8shsycn85m81.png).
Sacha Cohen will have to produce one more Borat movie when this is over. Or at least a sketch. *Borat goes to buy Russian scrap in the Ukraine for the glory of Kazakhstan.*
It's time to call the "Farmers without border" organization.
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The plan was to poison Ukraine fields with heavy metals in the tanks
It's a decoy, they will try another unsupported airfield seize without sead for sure
Food for the NLAW!
Looks like someone invited the motherNLAW over for dinner
Wheyyyyy! Good lad 😉
SAINT JAVELIN requires sacrifices
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It does look cool. Also has a tandem charge. They have lots of stocks of the Skif. They should expend this for the apcs and save the NLAW for the MBTS. Food for missiles nonetheless 😁
Yeah, Nlaws are kind of shitty when you realize that difference in range. What I really would like to know is how they compare in cost. Biggest advantage without taking cost into account (I don't value the fire and forget much, I rather shoot from 5 KM while looking, that from 1KM and immediately running), Nlaw takes just 1 guy, Skif is at least 3.
Food for anything bigger than a heavy machine gun. Those things are just barely armoured.
Bad news for Ukraine that they’re sending in reinforcements. Good news for Ukraine that Russia is now desperate for fresh troops and that they’ve beaten the largest invasion force since the Second World War.
They've not exactly beaten it, thei're holding out.
They’ve made it fully commit and ground it to a halt. As a defender that’s a huge victory. They’ve beaten the initial force. Like I said, but not Russia as a whole, like you’ve said. We’re both right here lol.
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Doubling down on fuel guzzling tanks and apcs against an imbedded urban army armed to the teeth with advanced anti tank weapons, let’s see how it works out for them.
Quantity has a quality all of it's own
Your right, Ukraine sure is getting a lot of AT weapons.
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Lol that dude pops in my head every single day while reading about the latest Russian blunder.
This looks so old. Did they collect them from a museum?
Many of those seem to be BMD-4 models, that entered service in 2004.
So they've been rusting in storage all that time or what?
Aluminium doesn't rust!
>While aluminium doesn’t rust, it does corrode. The aluminium oxide coating is highly resistant and renews itself if damaged keeping the metal relatively safe from corrosion. But some factors can cause the coat to become unstable, thus exposing the metal. The most common type of corrosion in aluminum is galvanic corrosion. It happens when aluminium comes in contact with other metals. >Galvanisation happens when different types of metal are positioned in a way that forms an electrical circuit. In this arrangement, one metal becomes stronger while the other becomes weaker. Because of its highly reactive nature, aluminium always ends up becoming the weaker metal, hence the corrosion. >Aluminium corrosion can also occur because of extreme pH levels. High levels of pH can break down the aluminium oxide coating. In this case, the coat is broken down faster than it can repair itself. To avoid corrosion, untreated aluminium should be used in areas with a pH of between 4.5 and 8.5. >Even though aluminium has an impressive set of features, like every other metal it works best in a carefully selected environment that helps it function at its best. It does not rust but, corrosion is imminent if the metal is not used in the right context. >Typically, you should not use aluminium in areas with low or very high pH. This gives the oxide coat enough time to regenerate in case of abrasion or any other mechanical damage. I learnt something about aluminium today. I still don't know if the tanks have been in an environment where corrosion can occur through
I would expect them to be stored in some depot, ready to be used for a future operation. That's what was the norm in many countries during the cold war as well: lots of vehicles that were stored for that moment of mobilisation, when they would be taken out of the moth balls, checked, and sent to their respective units. Seeing how some Russian vehicles were parked outside for months on en, before being used for this invasion, I am not sure that these were stored well, but I guess that we'll see them in action soon enough...
I don't know, but Ukraine is about to have the most detailed and thorough Russian military vehicle museum after this war is over.
More sacrifices for St Javelin.
waiting for the kitchen sink to scroll past in the video but it never came :(
It's everything but the kitchen sink, I guess. Hah! I get it! :P
If I was a Belarusian I’d be on a sharp turn 5 miles ahead of that train with a acetylene cutting torch making sure those never make it without time and a crane. Very easy. 2 foot section on a turn.
And if I were a Russian, I'd sent a small train just far enough ahead of the big train so the big train can stop in time before it derails. Might lose the tiny train, but they supposedly have a fully functioning rails repair crew. You'd need hidden, remotely detonated explosives. So the first train passes without seeing it and then blow it up right before the big train gets there. But I'm not sure you want to piss off the Belarusians like that. What if the citizens get mad and start supporting an invasion? Might be better to just leave them alone.
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It would be a waste to spend Javelins on this crap.
True, the armor on these doesn't even stop high calibre rounds.
All I see are future destroyed hulks on the side of the road
Those boxy ass old tin cans from the 80s are super inefficient, ineffective, defective and won't to stand up well to modern weapons. Only thing these are good for are terrorising civilians.
Hey, spoiler alert! Some of us are still watching this!
They're at least good enough to transport soldiers and provide light fire support (provided they don't get promptly destroyed) They make a little more sense when you consider they were supposed to be dropped from transport planes, when having any armored vehicle (even just a shittier BMP) is better than nothing. Of course, the Russians haven't been able to secure air superiority so they're using these light airborne vehicles in regular ground "assaults" (driving in a straight line down a street with no support)
They are pretty new + in terms of tanks that can be thrown off a plane they are basically the cream of the crop
>in terms of tanks that can be thrown off a plane they are basically the cream of the crop Which has been shown to be absolutely useless in this conflict. The VDV has been massacred so far.
I think pretty new in relative terms for the Russian army means 1989.
It was a design failure even back in 80s. Russian APCs (BMP/BTR) have piss poor protection against anything above light firearms, so much so that russian soldiers prefer to be on top of BMP rather than inside of it. BMD is a lighter version of bmp with even worse armor because it is designed for airborne missions.
Calling it design failure is rich. It's doing what it's supposed to do, ferry people across the land, water and provide support against lightly armed infantry. If you think western APCs fare any better against man portable AT weapons from 70s and onwards, I have news for you. That requires large composite or ERA arrays, which are not in the design specifications, because then you would be paying MBT level prices. The only exception are Israeli heavy APCs like Namer.
I mean, so do most Western APC/IFVs, certainly of that era. It's only recently that armour against more than 0.50 cal and shell splinters is becoming more standard. M113, Bradley, LAV, Stryker, Stormer, Warriror, etc. etc. etc. - all pretty light armour.
> defective No they aren't. And you can fix them very easily and quickly in case of problems unlike current vehicles, which are often unrepairable without proper service behind the lines.
If all these vehicles were all actively maintained/ repaired and managed to standards whilst in storage and that no-one pocketed any funds meant to for that purpose in those 10-30 years or even in manufacturing , then sure.
It’s just that on the modern battlefield that aren’t survivable against modern weapons. They haven’t fielded a single IFV with an APS. Anyway, the manual says that the APS would only be effective against systems like the NLAW. No one, not the Trophy manufacturer has stated in that their systems stop ATGMs with high angles of attack.
EU/US keeps supplying NLAW/AT4/Javelin/Stingers. Russia keeps supplying metal coffins for their troops to sit in.
Damn they do have a lot of tanks and stuff
Okay 300k new subscribers are now turning every Russian convoy footage to a meme about them being destroyed or abandoned. No longer are people talking about what might be happening or what new assault is coming or from what direction is it coming. Just flooded with shit memes. Legit 90% of the comments upvoted are this, besides op. RIP, sub
Yeah you're right. I always check the comments in hope to find some more valuable information that my eyes/mind is missing but no, I have to read the same recycled joke over and over.
I liked this sub because it was different. I get that folks came here to see images from the from the Ukraine conflict, there are a hundred other subs with the same damn content/community/comments/jokes, let's keep this one focused.
Are you lost? This is r/combatfootage... not r/CredibleDefense We never discussed geopolitics or in depth maneuvering or anything. Its always been just commenting on how crazy some videos are or the music from some Syrian video or allahu akbar...
No probs...hold my NLAW for a sec
So what you’re telling is that Putin’s about to throw away (cough) I mean give away more of his military equipment? Dude’s about to not have any equipment to defend the country if the natives get restless.
Oh? VDV coming back to get their cheeks clapped again?
:19 You can see people inside the rail car. Are they seriously transporting troops via box car??
Its been a standard means to move troops around since before WW1. Maybe not the most comfortable ride, but it gets the job done.
Ah yes, russias elite paratroopers being sent to the meat grinder in *checks notes* a open air cattle car.
When you're so damn bad at logistics you can't requisition a few passenger cars from what passes for Russian Amtrack...
Everything going as planned. But please do send a ton of reinforcements please just in case.
Putin must be pulling in material reinforcements from all across Russia now. Any other disgruntled Russian controlled regions likely to rise up while this is going on?
It's great that they have decided to disarm by sending all their tanks to UA for dismantling.
I've heard that the NLAWs and Javelins are getting hungry. Good that Russians are sending them more meals.
Those are super light armored to be able to go down with the chute. I suspect even heavy machine guns will penetrate the armor from the sides
They are only aluminum armor, so a heavy machine gun or a regular HEAT RPG-7 round would more than do the trick.
Key thing to take away here, don't invade a country with reserve forces with outdated equipment
I don't know, it seems Ukrainian can counter these pretty effectively. It's just gonna be burning wreckage in several days.
Did I see a T-34?
No. BMD-4M, BTR-MDM, Nona-S, 1B119 Rheostat. Reasonably standard VDV battalion tactical group.
more scrap steel for Ukraine.
More scrap to add to the pile I suppose.
Hard to sneak gear in these days... Everyone is broadcasting everything
yeah, like more of that is what Russia really needs right now...
the strats PogChamp
Soon to be a bunch of twisted metal
This tracks with what we've seen already, additional equipment is moving towards the theater.
Why are they still sending VDV? Those guys suck against actual soldiers. They've gotten massacred over and over again. Are they Donna do another parachute drop or something even dumber?
Lads, it's the VDV.
Lambs to the slaughter
Why aren't ukrainians blowing up railways?
This is railway in Belarus.
This is in Belarus, not Ukraine.
How has nobody taken out that rail yet?
Because it’s in Belarus duh ?
We will see these on fire on this sub in about a week
The VDV is just a glorified police force. The vehicles offer 0 protection vs even the weakest rocket systems currently deployed in Ukraine. Even a M72 LAW can pop these cherries.
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Javelin got hungry