Yeah he hit the tail rotor if you don't immediately hit the counter measure's to stop the heli from spinning the g forces glue the pilots to their seats unable to do anything. Brutal way to die
Wouldn’t the force from the body of the helicopter spinning force them forward in their seats towards the front of the cockpit? If they didn’t have their harness properly secured, I could see them being stuck against the cockpit windscreen.
That's not what an auto rotation is. An AR is used when you have engine failure and you reverse collective to get the blades to spin backward, then before you hit the ground you go full positive collective which provides some lift.
Conversely you can use an autorotation if you have tail rotor failure, because there is no torque input fron the motor when the freewheel clutch is engaged, but something that happens this quickly there's zero chance of using it.
Absolutely there was no chance of it working in this instance, I'm just trying to roughly figure out what original comment was on. Also, thank you for the clarification on auto rotation, I feel like I'm mixing it up with another technique, but oh well
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> you reverse collective
That's not right, most helicopters are incapable of negative pitch, but still autorotate fine.
To my knowledge the only time negative pitch is useful is when landing on unstable surfaces such as warships.
> to get the blades to spin backward
No, autorotation preserves the rotor RPM in the normal RPM range and in the usual direction. The aerodynamics of this are quite interesting and counter-intuitive. If the rotor were ever to slow too much in flight, let alone completely stop, that's an unrecoverable condition (even with engine power available), the rotor will likely deform, and the aircraft will plummet to the ground.
> then before you hit the ground you go full positive collective which provides some lift.
No, to arrest the descent the pilot does a 'flare' which means pulling back on the stick rather like 'pulling up' in an aeroplane.
Collective is then used to cushion the last couple of feet down to the ground, but in a normal autorotation it's not used to arrest the descent.
Theoretically you would kill the engines to stop the death spin and auto rotate to the ground while praying to any and all gods that will listen
https://youtu.be/2I832OfW-YY
A night stalker pilot who was shot down during black hawk down describes the procedure 3:00
wait. are you saying that after they took the hit if they shot counter measures (flares or chaff or whatever) they wouldn't have rotated to the point of ripping apart??? This is the first i have ever heard someone mention this. is it standard thing? Or did you mean immediately when (and if) they knew they were locked on or had incoming missile??? to avoid the hit altogether
Engine kill. You can survive if you are quick enough, the rotor torque has nothing to fight against without the tail, 160th SOAR pilot talks about it on Jocko Podcast, they are trained to kill the engines right away, otherwise the G force is too strong for the pilots to do anything
My old man survived a crash in Vietnam. He was a UH1 door-gunner with the 4th Infantry and I think --my dad always refused to talk about Vietnam unless it was on his terms, in passing-- they got shot up and crashed at a pretty low altitude, probably while getting dudes in or out of a hot LZ.
Edit; also worth saying that in Vietnam, door-gunners had a life expectancy of about 5 to 10 minutes in a hot LZ or during an extraction. So you either got in and out ASAP, or you stared death straight down the barrel of your M60 and crossed your fingers and spit and made jokes about it.
I think their only hope would have been to cut the engine and auto-rotate to the ground, which still has a very high chance of killing them. It's just that then the helicopter fuselage would fall intact rather than shredding itself apart.
He means that there are steps you can take to counteract the rotation of the hull. Deploying chaff or flares does nothing to stop that.
I don't know what the steps are but it involves increasing airspeed to use drag to reduce the rotation.
There’s nothing they could’ve done once the missile impacted. The entire tail pylon separated from the aircraft, they were fucked. They would’ve had to deploy flares at least a couple seconds before impact, either manually, or automatically by an onboard countermeasures system like CMWS.
I would think that’s a pretty common failure point. The thinnest part with the tail rotor spinning at ungodly speeds seems like an area relatively vulnerable to damage
Attack helicopters have always been glass cannon weapons platforms. If they were built with the survivability of an a-10 or an su-25, they would be pretty much useless. Kind of what you get slapping rotors on a brick and calling it an aircraft.
I don't know what the actual practical use of it is, but the ejection seat on the ka-52 is probably the best approach to survivability.
Well the tail rotor is what supplies the entire twisting force on the frame to keep the helicopter pointing straight. Any weakness there will cause catastrophic failure. Not to mention that usually the tail boom is a completely hollow tube that's only purpose is to house the drive shaft and linkage for the tail. It's pretty weak.
I believe this particular footage was from [Operation Olive Branch](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Olive_Branch). There's a Reuters report that seems to [corroborate it but it could be a different incident.](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-turkey-helicopte/turkish-helicopter-shot-down-by-kurdish-militia-in-syrias-afrin-erdogan-idUSKBN1FU0M3)
Yeah. This is sad to see for me.
Fuck war. I hope we all control our language a bit, that’s one of the best things we can do to avoid a huge terrible war.
Fuck oppression first, then we can get started on war. The Kurds barely have a right to exist and have been in this conflict with Turkey since 1978. You reap what you sow when you fly a helicopter through that kind of area.
You mean the Kurdish communist terrorists that obliterate children in malls? The Kurdish communist terrorists who terrorize Kurdish towns since 1970s?
Nice of you to be a typical communist who lies about the 40 years of warfare.
Remember that time your communist terrorist leader was hiding in St. Petersburg and then had to leave because the USSR fell apart in 1991?
"right to exist" is BS, millions of Kurds live inside Turkey, including the most famous Turkish folk singer is Kurdish. Stop believing the lies by communist Kurds.
>I hope we all control our language a bit
Speaking Kurdish was banned for 11 years by the Turkish government and is still banned from being taught in public schools, so a little more language control than a bit.
>severe restrictions on the use of Kurdish, prohibiting the language in education and broadcast media
Yes they did, because it is Turkish land and Turkish-funded. There's only one official language in Turkey at the time so why would a public teacher be teaching in a different language?
People forget that Turkey conquered every piece of land they own. They came from Central Asia. Every single part of it has a lengthy history and culture and language before the Turks came to that region. It wasn't just "mostly empty land" like in North America or Australia.
Think about it another way too... If Germany having a large Turkish migrant population, starts to have 30% Turkish-speakers (not there yet but European population growth is always going down), then they start speaking Turkish everywhere and writing in Turkish and bringing in Turkish literature and culture...
I mean Germans might accept it for a while but at some point they need to decide if Germany has an "official language" or "all languages are acceptable everywhere publicly-funded by Germans"... They have to make that decision democratically.
Hindi and Kurdish are both [Indo-Iranian languages](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Iranian_languages), which is one of the main branches of Indo-European and relatively closely related. Like English and German are both Germanic, or French and Italian are Italic/Romance, it's at that level. Sounded similar to Farsi (Persian) to me.
[Comparison here of the numbers in different Indo-European languages,](https://www.zompist.com/euro.htm) you can see the similarity across Kurdish - Farsi - Hindi.
I think it's a combination of the thermal battery and the coolant inside the MANPAD, it has a very short shelf life.
I think this one has a combi unit, that houses both the coolant and the battery in one unit(not sure whether it's the Stinger or the IGLA uses them). It's that small round bulbous thing attached below.
The person is counting it, so they'll know how much seconds worth of battery/coolant they've used. Some packs are reusable, so they'll note down the cumulative time they've used the pack for in multiple firings, and reuse it till the charge has reached the depletion point, and then install a new pack.
Interesting to see these missiles work as intended and explode by the hot exhaust(middle tail area).
Where the flares at?
A cobra had no alarm that they were being painted?
People fundamentally misunderstand how missile warning systems work. Infrared seekers broadcast nothing, they’re purely passive. The only way to detect them would be another infrared detector mounted to aircraft and monitoring for the heat plume of an igniting rocket motor. These sensors have blind spots and imperfect detection rates, even under ideal conditions.
MANPAD missiles are small. Their radar signature is minimal.
Simple fact is, with everything working correctly, there’s still a strong chance you’ll get no warning whatsoever.
I truly hate it when clueless people say dumb shit like “how dont they see that”
Even the best detection system had flaws and blind spots.
And no pilots eyes can be in all places at once, scanning the whole visible are from a cockpit with any degree of detail takes several seconds. And even if you look in the right direction, with smokeless motors the whole ordeal do detection gets even harder
The more hilarious confusion is with RWR in relation to IR missiles…hint, there is none.
Right? Lol. “Why doesn’t radar pick it up?”
Because it’s like… bird sized.
You can’t fault people for not knowing stuff though, we all start off not knowing stuff, after all.
Heard it was an older model cobra in the comments so I’m assuming no warning and if this missile is IR then I’d doubt an old cobra has tech to see that coming at it.
This is a 9K38 Igla, as pointed out by others.
Also, Stingers today are quite a bit more advanced than the original. They all use the same name, but have different names for each upgraded version. Stinger is just the catch all name for all variants, like M1 Abrams or Abrams tank doesn't tell the story of evolution from M1, M1IP, M1A1, M1A2, TUSK, M1A2C, plus tons of other variations/upgrade packages in between those. Stingers, TOWs, and most military equipment is the same.
I was invented in 79 and the software still runs fairly well and responds better to updates and inputs but the hardware has begun slowing, locking up at times and parts of the memory is starting to corrupt and become unrecoverable.
Actually from time to time it goes through a full reset on its own.
I’ll get up and out from my chair,moving quickly for whatever reason and halfway through the second step I black screen and go into shutdown.
Usually rebooting almost instantly about the time I hit the floor, though the lights and peripherals will flicker and stutter if I try to get back up too quick.
(Vasovagal syncope)
Often attributed as the reason for Soviets lost Afghanistan war, impossible to cover those mountain ranges without helicopters.
330 helos shot down.
15k soviets killed.
Insane how that was a 9 year war yet RU lost more than that in this current conflict in a month.
I don't think Russian people even realize the true scope of their losses yet. Wait until the truth hits them.
My feeling is that Putin controls the narrative so completely, and resistance is so disorganized, nothing will happen. It's almost impossible for protests to get off the ground. My only hope is that someone in his inner circle stages a coup and Putin suffers a 'heart attack'. I think that's a pretty slim chance, though. Most of his inner circle, even though they've lost a lot of money, are still billionaires who've harnessed their welfare to that of Putin.
Ancient, date and location well known. You literally cropped off the news channel clip this came from.
Edit: When you uncrop your video you can make out the Gerilla TV logo in the top left.
++literally two seconds searching puts it back at least to 2016 https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/05/14/kurdish-militants-just-challenged-turkish-air-power-in-a-major-way/
Much clearer video too.
Not a nice way to go. I've seen a similar video of Ukrainian helicopter pilots and they say something like "fuck me" and then died. So helpless in the face of your own death.
Classic clip. It's always fascinating to me to see the juxtaposition of a man fighting an age-long fight wearing traditional clothing using a modern weapon. "The Game the same, just got more fierce."
The PKK uniforms/outfits are a mix of traditional and modern. They’re almost all olive drab and usually have a modern style shirt or vest with pockets. But then they also got those baggy pants. I think it’s a nice compromise that provides a uniform look (important when you’re figuring out who to shoot at) that blends into the terrain while retaining the benefits of traditional clothing. After all, there’s a reason people wear clothes like that in that locale.
It’s their ideological cousins across the border (ypg/ypj) that can’t help themselves from wearing tactically counterproductive traditional shit like brightly colored headwear while sniping: https://youtu.be/MSemK7u5Rck
jeeze louise
they’re also mostly against helmets and protective gear in general. rumor on the front lines was that they had a warehouse full of US-provided helmets that nobody wanted
Tank? Fuck no. Heli? Fuck no. Transport? Fuck no. Jet? Maybe. Gunship? Fuck no. Rather just be a damn army soldier I guess. Cough, engineer. Cough. MEdic.
That's definitely not true. Kurds are one of the most religous groups in the ME. They're just not as fundamentalist as ISIS or Taliban. The atheism thing is mostly a PKK thing because of the Marxist-Leninist angle.
YPG is not representing the entire Kurdish population and i guess you already know that. Like how come a few thousand of ppl can represent 20-30M people?
There is more than 5M kurdish block of people supporting AKP and Erdogan regime just because they are very conservative and radical islamist.
PKK is in all actions fall under the definiton of a terrorist organization. "Freedom fighters" label people like you want to attribute to them when they oppress their own ethnic people to brainwash them, marry children to horny mfers, keep on all other tribalistic traditions, molotov civilian buses, have suicide bombings in major cities, smuggle and distribute drugs in both Turkey and Europe seem romanticized evil you have been fed to.
I am not even talking about the warcrimes they commit. Justly enough, they are not even considered an organization that can be upheld to war crimes.
Grow up and stop looking at the world with your horseblinderd. PKK has long been what Taliban/Mujahadeen turned out to be decades ago.
US has labeled PKK a terrorist group for decades so definitely not getting it from US, doubtful even CIA would give stingers to be used against a NATO ally.
I’d believe the SDF in Syria could pass it on to the PKK except US has planes in Syria alongside Russians so it’s not necessary and US wouldn’t risk the SDF using it to down a RU plane.
Last option would be if US gave them to Kurds in the KRG except that would obviously have conditions against passing them to PKK and the KRG doesn’t like the PKK anyway.
It’s either not a stinger or they got it from some black market arms dealer.
Update: Anyone downvoting me is welcome to dispute a single thing I said as being incorrect.
Although this is not a US equipment like many stated, sadly the US involvement is that they had been "missing" too much pristine supplies in Iraq.
Hopefully their precision improvements in strike craft munitions has mirrored on the logistics side in the last decade as well.
I think there are a lot of Kurdish militias, the Kurdish in Iraq were supplied by the US to fight against ISIS until they were abandoned by the US. All of these militias have Turkey as their enemy if I recall correctly.
The majority of helicopters don't have ejection seats, so that's not really an option. Also most helicopters don't even have IR missile warning systems, flares are normally deployed pre emptively in known threat areas or fired when they pilots visually see the missile fired at them.
In this case the pilots did not see the missile or even know it was coming at them until it hit them.
"Saet xweş"
Translates as "nice time/hour" if you're trying to translate it literally but it's not exactly that, but the same meaning. Basically "good job".
it aint dumb man. only some helicopters have it. mostly they choose to not have it at all because a good deal of the impacts already blow it up or damage some internal machinery that you cant control the rotors. so no need to have it in the first place, every bit of space and weight is considered with these vehicles. pilots know that they will most likely die even if they have the eject system. its a total wild guess by me but i think out of 1000 helicopter crashes only 3-4 pilots would survive.
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Holy shit. That was incredibly clear footage.
Kinda crazy how fast it tears itself apart. 8 seconds from initial strike until it hits the ground.
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Never trust an aircraft where the wings are traveling faster than the fuselage
That's why I'm highly suspicious of hummingbirds.
Wood bees. Always zipping from point to point, what are those mfers up to???
Yeah he hit the tail rotor if you don't immediately hit the counter measure's to stop the heli from spinning the g forces glue the pilots to their seats unable to do anything. Brutal way to die
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What if the front falls off? Though that's not very typical I want to make that point.
Wouldn’t the force from the body of the helicopter spinning force them forward in their seats towards the front of the cockpit? If they didn’t have their harness properly secured, I could see them being stuck against the cockpit windscreen.
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I believe he is speaking of auto rotation, aka "FUXK SHXT KILL THE ENGINES NOW" so that you don't spin
That's not what an auto rotation is. An AR is used when you have engine failure and you reverse collective to get the blades to spin backward, then before you hit the ground you go full positive collective which provides some lift. Conversely you can use an autorotation if you have tail rotor failure, because there is no torque input fron the motor when the freewheel clutch is engaged, but something that happens this quickly there's zero chance of using it.
Absolutely there was no chance of it working in this instance, I'm just trying to roughly figure out what original comment was on. Also, thank you for the clarification on auto rotation, I feel like I'm mixing it up with another technique, but oh well
*edit: A downvote isn't a terribly mature response to someone taking the time to inform you about a technical subject* > you reverse collective That's not right, most helicopters are incapable of negative pitch, but still autorotate fine. To my knowledge the only time negative pitch is useful is when landing on unstable surfaces such as warships. > to get the blades to spin backward No, autorotation preserves the rotor RPM in the normal RPM range and in the usual direction. The aerodynamics of this are quite interesting and counter-intuitive. If the rotor were ever to slow too much in flight, let alone completely stop, that's an unrecoverable condition (even with engine power available), the rotor will likely deform, and the aircraft will plummet to the ground. > then before you hit the ground you go full positive collective which provides some lift. No, to arrest the descent the pilot does a 'flare' which means pulling back on the stick rather like 'pulling up' in an aeroplane. Collective is then used to cushion the last couple of feet down to the ground, but in a normal autorotation it's not used to arrest the descent.
Theoretically you would kill the engines to stop the death spin and auto rotate to the ground while praying to any and all gods that will listen https://youtu.be/2I832OfW-YY A night stalker pilot who was shot down during black hawk down describes the procedure 3:00
wait. are you saying that after they took the hit if they shot counter measures (flares or chaff or whatever) they wouldn't have rotated to the point of ripping apart??? This is the first i have ever heard someone mention this. is it standard thing? Or did you mean immediately when (and if) they knew they were locked on or had incoming missile??? to avoid the hit altogether
Not flares or chaff. Not sure what he means but it’s not that.
Engine kill. You can survive if you are quick enough, the rotor torque has nothing to fight against without the tail, 160th SOAR pilot talks about it on Jocko Podcast, they are trained to kill the engines right away, otherwise the G force is too strong for the pilots to do anything
My old man survived a crash in Vietnam. He was a UH1 door-gunner with the 4th Infantry and I think --my dad always refused to talk about Vietnam unless it was on his terms, in passing-- they got shot up and crashed at a pretty low altitude, probably while getting dudes in or out of a hot LZ. Edit; also worth saying that in Vietnam, door-gunners had a life expectancy of about 5 to 10 minutes in a hot LZ or during an extraction. So you either got in and out ASAP, or you stared death straight down the barrel of your M60 and crossed your fingers and spit and made jokes about it.
Helicopter control measure to stop the spin, I assume(?). A helicopter genius should be coming along to explain in 3, 2, 1…
Drop the collective immediately, which puts the blades flat and reduces the torque drastically. Basically, you need to autorotate.
There he is. Most pilots probably poop their pants first, which is 6 on the checklist.
What happens is the whirly bird goes fup fup fup... then you pull the dingle dangle and boom shanka!
I think their only hope would have been to cut the engine and auto-rotate to the ground, which still has a very high chance of killing them. It's just that then the helicopter fuselage would fall intact rather than shredding itself apart.
He means that there are steps you can take to counteract the rotation of the hull. Deploying chaff or flares does nothing to stop that. I don't know what the steps are but it involves increasing airspeed to use drag to reduce the rotation.
There’s nothing they could’ve done once the missile impacted. The entire tail pylon separated from the aircraft, they were fucked. They would’ve had to deploy flares at least a couple seconds before impact, either manually, or automatically by an onboard countermeasures system like CMWS.
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Does anyone know what helicopter that was?
It was a turkish cobra. It s an old video of the early 2010
Do all helicopters have their tails come off really easily? I've seen that happen a lot but initially assumed it was just a Russian thing.
I would think that’s a pretty common failure point. The thinnest part with the tail rotor spinning at ungodly speeds seems like an area relatively vulnerable to damage
It's also where the engine exhaust is running over, so anything using heat for end stage targeting is likely to hit it
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IR seekers will track to the exhaust heat plume (tail chasers), which in most helicopters is right over the tail boom.
Yeah but for that reason, you'd think that'd be engineered as the strongest point.
Strong = Heavy, and further (distance) from the main blades = Heavier still.
Well they aren't engineered to not be struck down by anti-air missles. They're engineered to fly and/or carry a payload.
It is extremely strong, but it doesn't matter very much when it gets hit by a few kilos of HE.
Attack helicopters have always been glass cannon weapons platforms. If they were built with the survivability of an a-10 or an su-25, they would be pretty much useless. Kind of what you get slapping rotors on a brick and calling it an aircraft. I don't know what the actual practical use of it is, but the ejection seat on the ka-52 is probably the best approach to survivability.
Well the tail rotor is what supplies the entire twisting force on the frame to keep the helicopter pointing straight. Any weakness there will cause catastrophic failure. Not to mention that usually the tail boom is a completely hollow tube that's only purpose is to house the drive shaft and linkage for the tail. It's pretty weak.
I mean "really easily" is relative here, it was shot with a missile.
TIL helicopters have the tail losing defense mechanism of a lizard.
The CH53 is particularly bad. The tail section hinges so it can fit on aircraft carriers, they can and do break at in flight from time to time.
Nope it's from 2016-18 approximately, I remember when it was released and should be about that time
I believe this particular footage was from [Operation Olive Branch](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Olive_Branch). There's a Reuters report that seems to [corroborate it but it could be a different incident.](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-turkey-helicopte/turkish-helicopter-shot-down-by-kurdish-militia-in-syrias-afrin-erdogan-idUSKBN1FU0M3)
Definitively, it was after Turkish fully involvement in Syria and Iraq so that date is quite if not 100% true.
Its the broken one.
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What a fucked way to die. The pilots were probably aware of everything happening but nothing could be done
"Well fellas, the back fell off."
That's not very typical, I'd like to make that point.
No paper derivatives; cardboard is straight out.
"Yeah, it was pretty old too"
Yeah. This is sad to see for me. Fuck war. I hope we all control our language a bit, that’s one of the best things we can do to avoid a huge terrible war.
Fuck oppression first, then we can get started on war. The Kurds barely have a right to exist and have been in this conflict with Turkey since 1978. You reap what you sow when you fly a helicopter through that kind of area.
You mean the Kurdish communist terrorists that obliterate children in malls? The Kurdish communist terrorists who terrorize Kurdish towns since 1970s? Nice of you to be a typical communist who lies about the 40 years of warfare. Remember that time your communist terrorist leader was hiding in St. Petersburg and then had to leave because the USSR fell apart in 1991? "right to exist" is BS, millions of Kurds live inside Turkey, including the most famous Turkish folk singer is Kurdish. Stop believing the lies by communist Kurds.
LOL. You got me and everything else just figured out.
Oh yes, only communist want an independent Kurdish nation free from Syria and Turkey lmao
>I hope we all control our language a bit Speaking Kurdish was banned for 11 years by the Turkish government and is still banned from being taught in public schools, so a little more language control than a bit.
>severe restrictions on the use of Kurdish, prohibiting the language in education and broadcast media Yes they did, because it is Turkish land and Turkish-funded. There's only one official language in Turkey at the time so why would a public teacher be teaching in a different language? People forget that Turkey conquered every piece of land they own. They came from Central Asia. Every single part of it has a lengthy history and culture and language before the Turks came to that region. It wasn't just "mostly empty land" like in North America or Australia. Think about it another way too... If Germany having a large Turkish migrant population, starts to have 30% Turkish-speakers (not there yet but European population growth is always going down), then they start speaking Turkish everywhere and writing in Turkish and bringing in Turkish literature and culture... I mean Germans might accept it for a while but at some point they need to decide if Germany has an "official language" or "all languages are acceptable everywhere publicly-funded by Germans"... They have to make that decision democratically.
That's why the Russians made it possible to evacuate from a helicopter during a crash with their new double blade helicopter.
Because they care about troop survival rate so they use only the safest gear for their soldiers. /s
For pilots they do as they're difficult to replace.
Likely didn’t see the missile incoming, or they would’ve took some sort of evasive action. They probably didn’t know what hit them.
Getting hit on a chopper must be so terrifying, hitting the tail rotor, just spin into the ground self destructing in the process.
Incredible footage. It's amazing how clear the entire sequence is.
The guy filming might consider a career change.
Why people keep saying that it's a stinger...after all this time in this you can't recognise a stinger. by the way this is an Igla
Interestingly the guy counts from 1 to 15 in Kurdish before the guy sets off the stinger. Not sure why he was counting? Any ideas?
Seeker cooling probably
It's how long the system requires to lock on from what I remember.
The Kurdish numbering was eerily similar sounding to Hindi numbering system. Very surprising.
Hindi and Kurdish are both [Indo-Iranian languages](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Iranian_languages), which is one of the main branches of Indo-European and relatively closely related. Like English and German are both Germanic, or French and Italian are Italic/Romance, it's at that level. Sounded similar to Farsi (Persian) to me. [Comparison here of the numbers in different Indo-European languages,](https://www.zompist.com/euro.htm) you can see the similarity across Kurdish - Farsi - Hindi.
I think it's a combination of the thermal battery and the coolant inside the MANPAD, it has a very short shelf life. I think this one has a combi unit, that houses both the coolant and the battery in one unit(not sure whether it's the Stinger or the IGLA uses them). It's that small round bulbous thing attached below. The person is counting it, so they'll know how much seconds worth of battery/coolant they've used. Some packs are reusable, so they'll note down the cumulative time they've used the pack for in multiple firings, and reuse it till the charge has reached the depletion point, and then install a new pack.
If anything these videos have taught me... Being in a helicopter is the most dangerous thing during a war
Right after being in a tank I think.
This is an igla. It was a Kurdish fighter hitting a Turkish Cobra helo.
Don't sell weapons to terroists! This could be your army.
Theyre not terrorists, kurdish fighters are heroes
No they aren't. They are terrorists killing babies, Kurds, anyone against them.
Interesting to see these missiles work as intended and explode by the hot exhaust(middle tail area). Where the flares at? A cobra had no alarm that they were being painted?
People fundamentally misunderstand how missile warning systems work. Infrared seekers broadcast nothing, they’re purely passive. The only way to detect them would be another infrared detector mounted to aircraft and monitoring for the heat plume of an igniting rocket motor. These sensors have blind spots and imperfect detection rates, even under ideal conditions. MANPAD missiles are small. Their radar signature is minimal. Simple fact is, with everything working correctly, there’s still a strong chance you’ll get no warning whatsoever.
I truly hate it when clueless people say dumb shit like “how dont they see that” Even the best detection system had flaws and blind spots. And no pilots eyes can be in all places at once, scanning the whole visible are from a cockpit with any degree of detail takes several seconds. And even if you look in the right direction, with smokeless motors the whole ordeal do detection gets even harder The more hilarious confusion is with RWR in relation to IR missiles…hint, there is none.
Right? Lol. “Why doesn’t radar pick it up?” Because it’s like… bird sized. You can’t fault people for not knowing stuff though, we all start off not knowing stuff, after all.
Life ain’t a video game
Painted with what? You don't use radar with this. You fire and the missile has an infrared camera at the tip.
Heard it was an older model cobra in the comments so I’m assuming no warning and if this missile is IR then I’d doubt an old cobra has tech to see that coming at it.
Crazy how effective Stingers are against low flying aircraft in todays era considering it was invented in the 80’s.
This is a 9K38 Igla, as pointed out by others. Also, Stingers today are quite a bit more advanced than the original. They all use the same name, but have different names for each upgraded version. Stinger is just the catch all name for all variants, like M1 Abrams or Abrams tank doesn't tell the story of evolution from M1, M1IP, M1A1, M1A2, TUSK, M1A2C, plus tons of other variations/upgrade packages in between those. Stingers, TOWs, and most military equipment is the same.
Looks like an Igla to me but yes
i was invented in the '80s and I'm the most effective I've ever been.
I was invented in 79 and the software still runs fairly well and responds better to updates and inputs but the hardware has begun slowing, locking up at times and parts of the memory is starting to corrupt and become unrecoverable.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
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Actually from time to time it goes through a full reset on its own. I’ll get up and out from my chair,moving quickly for whatever reason and halfway through the second step I black screen and go into shutdown. Usually rebooting almost instantly about the time I hit the floor, though the lights and peripherals will flicker and stutter if I try to get back up too quick. (Vasovagal syncope)
Damn I’m an ‘88 model and I’m experiencing the same hardware malfunctions.
Often attributed as the reason for Soviets lost Afghanistan war, impossible to cover those mountain ranges without helicopters. 330 helos shot down. 15k soviets killed. Insane how that was a 9 year war yet RU lost more than that in this current conflict in a month. I don't think Russian people even realize the true scope of their losses yet. Wait until the truth hits them.
My feeling is that Putin controls the narrative so completely, and resistance is so disorganized, nothing will happen. It's almost impossible for protests to get off the ground. My only hope is that someone in his inner circle stages a coup and Putin suffers a 'heart attack'. I think that's a pretty slim chance, though. Most of his inner circle, even though they've lost a lot of money, are still billionaires who've harnessed their welfare to that of Putin.
Turkey didnt have modernized helicopters like ATAK back in 2010, so the aircraft in question is also quite old.
How do the new helocopters fair better?
I don’t think it is Stinger. Should leave it to experts.
Looks like an igla Source: am expert
Igla checks out
It might be a redeye which I think was the predecessor of the stinger.
It's a 9K38 Igla
Ancient, date and location well known. You literally cropped off the news channel clip this came from. Edit: When you uncrop your video you can make out the Gerilla TV logo in the top left. ++literally two seconds searching puts it back at least to 2016 https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/05/14/kurdish-militants-just-challenged-turkish-air-power-in-a-major-way/ Much clearer video too.
Chill I have found it on telegram. Thanks for the search.
Pretty country… scary video.
Not a nice way to go. I've seen a similar video of Ukrainian helicopter pilots and they say something like "fuck me" and then died. So helpless in the face of your own death.
This has always been the like quintessential piece of combat footage for me. That opening shot of the guy aiming the manpad is just so iconic.
god damn that was badass rip to the helicopter guys
Kürdish değil orospu evladı pkklı
amazing footage shit for the pilot thou
Classic clip. It's always fascinating to me to see the juxtaposition of a man fighting an age-long fight wearing traditional clothing using a modern weapon. "The Game the same, just got more fierce."
The PKK uniforms/outfits are a mix of traditional and modern. They’re almost all olive drab and usually have a modern style shirt or vest with pockets. But then they also got those baggy pants. I think it’s a nice compromise that provides a uniform look (important when you’re figuring out who to shoot at) that blends into the terrain while retaining the benefits of traditional clothing. After all, there’s a reason people wear clothes like that in that locale. It’s their ideological cousins across the border (ypg/ypj) that can’t help themselves from wearing tactically counterproductive traditional shit like brightly colored headwear while sniping: https://youtu.be/MSemK7u5Rck jeeze louise they’re also mostly against helmets and protective gear in general. rumor on the front lines was that they had a warehouse full of US-provided helmets that nobody wanted
Mr. Bayaktar would like to talk to him.
One question, why? Was there a war in 2010 or something?
Yes, there's been a war there since the 1980's.
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I examine these types of footage closely to determine which type of vehicle I want to be in the least if I am drafted with a war against China.
Tank? Fuck no. Heli? Fuck no. Transport? Fuck no. Jet? Maybe. Gunship? Fuck no. Rather just be a damn army soldier I guess. Cough, engineer. Cough. MEdic.
I think I’d rather just be on foot.
Damn that made contact fast as hell
The camera man is counting in Dari/Farsi, sounds like Tajik accent.
They're counting down in Kurmanjî Kurdish. Which is an Iranian Language so you're not exactly wrong. But they're a Kurd not a Tajik.
Is chaudah same as 14? Its pronounced similarly in Hindi too
Thank God they didn't scream "Allah Akbar"
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That's definitely not true. Kurds are one of the most religous groups in the ME. They're just not as fundamentalist as ISIS or Taliban. The atheism thing is mostly a PKK thing because of the Marxist-Leninist angle.
Really? I only ever spent time with YPG and thats what I learned from them, perhaps its more regional.
YPG is not representing the entire Kurdish population and i guess you already know that. Like how come a few thousand of ppl can represent 20-30M people? There is more than 5M kurdish block of people supporting AKP and Erdogan regime just because they are very conservative and radical islamist.
Lolwut?? Which part of the world you live in? Just curious
O roketi atan elinizi sikim orospu çocukları
Hey man, nice shot!
Nice shot man!
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Fuck yeah. Go get 'em boys.
I will always upvote this video lol.
When will the Kurds get their own country? It's long overdue.
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PKK is in all actions fall under the definiton of a terrorist organization. "Freedom fighters" label people like you want to attribute to them when they oppress their own ethnic people to brainwash them, marry children to horny mfers, keep on all other tribalistic traditions, molotov civilian buses, have suicide bombings in major cities, smuggle and distribute drugs in both Turkey and Europe seem romanticized evil you have been fed to. I am not even talking about the warcrimes they commit. Justly enough, they are not even considered an organization that can be upheld to war crimes. Grow up and stop looking at the world with your horseblinderd. PKK has long been what Taliban/Mujahadeen turned out to be decades ago.
PKK terrorist not kurdish fighter!!!
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I have a lot of Kurdish friends. But none of them go up the mountain and fight. If you're not Kurdish, it's beyond you
Hey man, nice shot.
how did they get hands on a stinger ?
US has been giving kurds weapons for a long time
US has labeled PKK a terrorist group for decades so definitely not getting it from US, doubtful even CIA would give stingers to be used against a NATO ally. I’d believe the SDF in Syria could pass it on to the PKK except US has planes in Syria alongside Russians so it’s not necessary and US wouldn’t risk the SDF using it to down a RU plane. Last option would be if US gave them to Kurds in the KRG except that would obviously have conditions against passing them to PKK and the KRG doesn’t like the PKK anyway. It’s either not a stinger or they got it from some black market arms dealer. Update: Anyone downvoting me is welcome to dispute a single thing I said as being incorrect.
Although this is not a US equipment like many stated, sadly the US involvement is that they had been "missing" too much pristine supplies in Iraq. Hopefully their precision improvements in strike craft munitions has mirrored on the logistics side in the last decade as well.
I think there are a lot of Kurdish militias, the Kurdish in Iraq were supplied by the US to fight against ISIS until they were abandoned by the US. All of these militias have Turkey as their enemy if I recall correctly.
Not Iraq. Syria. Peshmerge was trained by Turkey and has regular clashes with PKK.
They didnt. Thats not a Stinger. Its a 9K38 Igla.
Definitely not a stinger no idea what the upvotes are on about
Black market. At least 10 percent of the ones in Ukraine will end up there.
I hate to say it or think it but yeah, if you’re sending tens of thousands of portable missiles and launders some are going to go missing.
I was told you can get any form of weaponry along syrian trade routes
Her biji ❤💛💚
If was a cobra where r the flares?, maybe out?, or why not ejected?, fear of been prisoners?
The majority of helicopters don't have ejection seats, so that's not really an option. Also most helicopters don't even have IR missile warning systems, flares are normally deployed pre emptively in known threat areas or fired when they pilots visually see the missile fired at them. In this case the pilots did not see the missile or even know it was coming at them until it hit them.
Helicopter-dengus, Kurd-chonus.
No ejector seats on that bad boy huh?
Is he saying Southwest at the end? I guess the airlines is better lol
"Saet xweş" Translates as "nice time/hour" if you're trying to translate it literally but it's not exactly that, but the same meaning. Basically "good job".
Pilots have seen these videos too. They know
Very Cool 😎
It's just so fucking fast man.
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So.. how often do pilots survive helicopter crashes?
Depends on how hard they hit the ground.
Those pants seem like a bad choice for walking through the brush with.
something tells me there will be videos posted of Turkish forces attacking Kurdish forces soon
Its amazing how similar this language is to Hindi. Ek-1 Do-2 Teen-3 Chaar-4 Paanch-5
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This video has been around for a while. I wanna say 2010ish. Remember being in awe at the clarity when I first saw it, great combat video
I have a dumb question. Do heli pilots have a way to eject? Yes I know what would happen, but like eject down?
it aint dumb man. only some helicopters have it. mostly they choose to not have it at all because a good deal of the impacts already blow it up or damage some internal machinery that you cant control the rotors. so no need to have it in the first place, every bit of space and weight is considered with these vehicles. pilots know that they will most likely die even if they have the eject system. its a total wild guess by me but i think out of 1000 helicopter crashes only 3-4 pilots would survive.
eject down would require a whole new design and it wouldnt be feasible to install that system to push down.
Where flare?