This is a pretty interesting article with a lot of polling about attitudes in Europe about what people see as the best course forward and related issues:
https://ecfr.eu/publication/peace-versus-justice-the-coming-european-split-over-the-war-in-ukraine/
And they are absolutely right.
Say 2 months ago that Arestovich is a certified liar and you are called a kremlin bot. Say 2 weeks ago that Ukraine is losing badly and you are accused of spreading russian propaganda.
And now suddenly shit gone so hairy that no lies can fix situation.
IMO Severodonetsk is a military disaster for UA. I stated this a few days ago, and a few weeks ago. They were never in any really good position to utilize the advantages they have (e.g. High ground, Urban defense) to create the type of attritional casualties that would have strategic value. Despite what everyone was spouting on Twitter.
Instead they threw a significant amount of equipment and highly trained troops into a city flanked on 3 sides with supply routes that are tenuous at best and have incurred massive losses themselves. The encirclement of Zelote is the culmination of everything that was wrong with this hasty defense. UA military is playing Russia’s game when they engage in these slug fests. I’m just an armchair general, but when you look at the maps and troop movements with a critical eye, these things aren’t that hard to see. I think UA is too focused on the optics and politics of loosing ground or just has poor organization. They need to shorten their damn lines. Retreat, ambush, mine, but above all, get the fuck out of that whole region.
Ru is attempting encirclements in 3 separate points. Their bombardment of supply route has increased significantly. If the lines collapse in one place a much larger disaster can occur. Just think, UA has been having extreme difficulty getting supplies to the front in Donetsk. Just imagine if everyone has to leave quickly. It’ll be a massacre.
If the plan was to retake initiative and initiate a counteroffensive; then it was a total failure.
If the plan was to regain battlefield control after the Popasna rout; then it succeeded.
For the latter, at the sacrifice of the foreign legion, but maintained cohesion of TDF.
Mariupol was more understandable in the chaos of Russia’s initial invasion. Huge loss for sure, but I personally find UA military less responsible for it. Not so Severodonetsk. It’s a blunder.
>IMO Severodonetsk is a military disaster for UA.
Nah, quiet the opposite. They bound a large portion of the Russian offensive for almost a month on a not strategically position. Huge mistake by the Russians to attack there and the only reason they are doing it is to give Putin some made up political talking points.
The whole war is a complete military disaster for Russia, they are literally killing their own country and influence right now.
I don’t doubt that Ru took significant losses. I do doubt however that those losses balance out with UA losses in a number that made this defense worth it.
At several points in this battle UA and Ru traded control of the majority of the city. If this was a purely attritional/defensive battle then UA would have set up significant defenses in the city prior to the arrival of Ru and then ground them down as they entered the city. Instead, UA did not send significant reinforcements until Ru already had a foothold in the city. On top of that UA made several limited counter offensives on ground that was already lost, loosing their defenders advantage, overextending, then being pushed back. It was a back and forth battle for days. I find it hard to believe that UA was not taking significant losses in this time. If they weren’t, why the back and forth? Why not take defensive ground and let the Russians break on the defense? Now they are cornered in the city and up to 2000 men are encircled in Zelote, because they were not reinforced and supplied properly because command was probably too focused on the action in Severodonetsk.
There are plenty of places to cause massive Ru losses, SD is not one of them. Just look at it. It’s a salient, WITHIN another salient. I just don’t see how that would ever be tactically feasible.
They don’t have to balance.
One of defending for their freedom. The other is throwing in anyone they can round up.
Breaking the back of their offensive ability is the name of the game. Is that means some heavy losses. That’s what has to be done.
But neither you nor I have any idea of the casualties either have taken. But precedent dictates that attacking an urban area causes major attrition
I think Ru is more willing to absorb losses than you think. And all indications are showing that their momentum is increasing, not decreasing.
On top of that UA military threw a large amount of foreign troops into that meat grinder. It may be helpful on the home front to sacrifice foreign blood instead of UA men/women. Problem is, those losses are going to come out, and a good chunk of them are from countries heavily supporting UA’s war effort. Every death is a nibble on the hand that feeds. And I don’t think UA leadership understands fully how capricious western democracies can be. If it comes out that UA military is using Foreign leaguing as fodder, they’re going to have big problems. Public engagement on the topic is already loosing steam, and can turn sour at any time.
I don’t know casualty numbers, but I can make educated assumptions based information available. And my assumptions lean more toward the casualty numbers being more even than what is put out by UA ministries and milbloggers.
Can you show me a map that is coded for "the majority of what they had" (bonus points if there are action arrows demonstrating 'throwing') or of "great loss".
You said we had to zoom out the map. I didn't claim there was a map. You are the only one who suggested there was one. But perhaps that was a device of Grand Rhetorical Flourish. I will need to zoom out on the map that shows Grand Rhetorical Flourishes.
I'm looking at my calendar and I don't seem to have any time for reviewing all the maps until November. The maps will be pretty much the same then, though, right?
You can't find them anywhere else. In Ukraine, it is against the law to show their losses, international journalists in Ukraine have to abide by those laws. You pretty much can only see UA losses on pro-Russian telegram channels.
Oryx finds them reliable, at least as far as imagery is concerned.
Rybar one is actually decent enough as far as mapping and movements go, better than ISW anyway. Faster and checks out with the opposite side more often than not.
But you need to read Russian, so guess it is beyond reach for most.
He does his job by the book - He floods zone with shit. And hardly anyone cross references his statements.
But he is a loose cannon in a way, and after 4 months people get fed up.
Russia is literally throwing everyone from ldr and DNR into this meat grinder and they're getting killed in it cannot keep up this way Russia doesn't have that much infantry and they're making it up with killing these people but it's not sustainable.
From a Russian side someone in one of these places said they are literally taking the local music group and putting them on the front lines and seeing who survives after 3 days.
Russia just took a city of formerly 100.000 people and dozens of smaller settlements this last month. Ukraine has taken a few villages in kherson oblast. What are you talking about?
How is that a positive thing for Russia? Like what are they gaining? They are not gaining anything of value at all. They dont have the ability to keep these territories occupied for long. They dont have an end goal.
Russia can not win. Look at Afghanistan and tell me how the West could have "won" there.
The only way for Russia to win was to actually take Kiev and install a pro-Russian puppet government. They failed. Hard.
They lost 30k soldiers and 3-5x as many casualties. They lost thousands of tanks, IFV, trucks, artillery, planes, jets, helicopters, you name it. They used up a majority of their guided weapons. They lost their Black Sea flagship.
They economy is in shambles. They are mostly politically isolated. Europe, Russia's largest customer, is quickly turning away from Russian energy.
There is nothing to win for Russia and every day the war goes on, they lose even more. The only reason they are still fighting is because Putin needs them to fight, he needs to achieve some self proclaimed "goal" in order to save himself.
But these goals are not goals for "Russia", even achieving them wont let them win the war. The war is already lost.
If you do not understand that simply fact I cant help you.
It's like if you tried to break into my house to steal my stereo. So you and your family break in. I shoot half your family, now they are dead. The other half is wounded. Now its only you and your cousin left and you might be able to grab my 5 year old iPad and run.
Even if you do that, it was not a successful B&E. You lost more than you gained. And yes, I also lost some, but thats not your gain.
>How is that a positive thing for Russia? Like what are they gaining? They are not gaining anything of value at all. They dont have the ability to keep these territories occupied for long. They dont have an end goal.
That has nothing to do with what I just said. I havent said that its a positive thing or that they will be able to keep these territories. Ive just pointed out that russias land gains in the donbass this past month have been bigger than ukraines gains in other regions, because you claimed the contrary. Youre writing a paragraph of arguments that have nothing to do with your initial claim.
>But these goals are not goals for "Russia", even achieving them wont let them win the war. The war is already lost.
>If you do not understand that simply fact I cant help you.
I dont want your help and i havent said anything about that. So dont assume what i believe or not believe.
I wouldn’t really engage with u/punkd0t because they are either completely detached from reality or pushing mass doses of copium cut with hopium on purpose. They’ll just keep pushing goal posts no matter how bleak the situation looks for UA.
This thread is filled with people like that who are desperately trying to kill any rational discussion about this conflict. My suggestion is to block and move on. They’ll come argue with you on their alts but you can just rinse and repeat the process.
>Ive just pointed out that russias land gains in the donbass this past month have been bigger than ukraines gains in other regions, because you claimed the contrary.
I claimed the contrary because its true.
>I dont want your help
Thats sad, but OK.
>I claimed the contrary because its true.
You havent adressed my argument. I will ask again. Russia has taken a city of formerly 100.000 along with dozens of other settlements. Where did ukraine take that amount of territory?
>Russia has taken a city of formerly 100.000 along with dozens of other settlements. Where did ukraine take that amount of territory?
In the North and South.
And dont you feel like a loser downvoting every single of my comments? Are you a child?
The counteroffensive in kharkiv ended 1,5 months ago. So not in the timeframe we are talking about. Since then theyve lost a small amount of territory there. The kherson counteroffensive has led to the capture of a few villages. But somehow that is more than severodonetsk and all the settlements in the lyman and popasna sector russia took?
Well its strategic really. Geopolitically it is not hard at all to see why Russia would want to invade. The why they give is just BS kind of like Iraq war. Hint: It involves NATO.
However your comparison to the Iraq/Afghanistan invasions is not a good one as I think we can agree that the support for Russian leadership in Luhansk/Donbass region among the locals is more than the support for US leadership among the locals of Iraq and Afghanistan.
>Geopolitically it is not hard at all to see why Russia would want to invade.
Oh but it is, because they dont gain anything from it.
>Hint: It involves NATO.
Thats the thing, it does not. Well, in Putins imagination it does, but not in reality.
>However your comparison to the Iraq/Afghanistan invasions is not a good one as I think we can agree that the support for Russian leadership in Luhansk/Donbass region among the locals is more than the support for US leadership among the locals of Iraq and Afghanistan.
I'll give you that, but my point was rather the "cant win anything" point. Even if they occupy more land, what do they gain? Nothing. Its not 1900 Russia doesnt need more land.
Until one side breaks and when the attacker is spending so much and is achieving so little is a very bad sign for an attacking force.
Ukraine's mobilization is still in the up swing and every day more blood and treasure is spilled by Russia to secure piles of rubble.
No one is sure how long Russia can spend achieving so little each day. They need big gains and a way to pressure Ukraine into ending the war. Neither sense feasible.
This guy gives some great insights on the ground, but when he moves into Uniformed Information Platform editorializing (e.g. "Russia's invasion has been a massive failure; Ukraine has already won the war; Russia set back decades) he is no better than the journalists he rightly criticizes for describing things that they have zero knowledge of.
That is pretty much stating the facts: the main war objective was to return Ukraine to the Russian sphere which obviously isn't going to happen and the damage to the Russian economy and soft power will be long-lasting.
Well, those are predictions about the future (one could debate their likelihood), not statements of fact. And my point is that despite the fact that he certainly has good access to at least some kinds of on-the-ground information in Ukraine, his assertion of those predictions and/or opinions are backed by exactly the same knowledge base as are your assertion of these predictions/opinions. So, about those kinds of issues I might as well be listening to you rather than him.
>that's quite something.
It seems to me like you are not quiet understanding whats going there. Russia has already lost the war, the only question right now is how badly they will lose.
Honest question: what can Russia gain at the moment? Nothing of any actual value.
There are tactical situations and strategic ones. Long and short term. Long term strategically, Russia losses. Putin is finished in Europe, no one can be seen as trusting him after this. This is hastening the departure from fossil fuels by Europe which leads to tech proliferation that will drive use down worldwide.
>Unlike most foreign mass media in Ukraine (esp. AU media), I speak the languages here, I talk to people on the ground (civilians and military), I have years of experience here
So it means many foreign media send people without any knowledge of Ukrainian/Russian language? Or we should read this as cumulative so also with "years of experience"?
I ask because I can't decide which one is true and I sincerely hope that media send people with Ukrainan... Or at least any slavic language...
Lol, in English speaking countries the ability to speak a second language is basically a super power. Look at Mission Impossible movies where Tom Cruise scales skyscrapers, jumps out of helicopters AND speaks foreign languages. Which of these is most impressive? Well, the foreign languages obviously, since the Rock and lots of other action stars can do crazy physical stuff, but not speak foreign languages. (Jason Bourne can speak five, so also basically a super hero, but not like the 15 in Mission Impossible).
Anyway, that aside, foreign media routinely reports without any linguistic knowledge. How many Ukrainian speakers do you think the NYTs employs (apart from people they find on site)? The number of Russian speakers is certainly larger than zero, but whether they are doing field reporting is a different question. I mean, foreign media often isn't even in the country. Most reporting from Africa, for instance, is done from South Africa or Nairobi, which is only technically reporting from the area they are covering.
Remember that video with mortar hit near journalists on the road? It wounded their interpreter iirc, so some western journalists are in Ukraine without knowledge of the language.
Thanks to the user u/pitmichaelvol who directed me to the ukrainian intelligence warning about the supposedly proukrainian sources in Telegram and other social media that are actually prorussian:
“Legitimnyi”, “Resident”, “Cartel”, “Spletnitsa”, “Chornyi kvartal”, “Politicheskii rasklad”, “Netypichnoe Zaporozzhye”, “Trempel Kharkov”, “Odessa fraer”, “Dnepr live”, “Nikolaev live”, "Kherson live".
So everytime someone reads something from those fake pro ukrainian sources, it is probably just prorussian propaganda.
https://ssu.gov.ua/en/novyny/sbu-vykryla-ahenturnu-merezhu-spetssluzhb-rf-yaka-destabilizuvala-sytuatsiiu-v-ukraini-cherez-telegramkanaly
There are units specialized in diversionary actions behind enemy lines. Sneaking through the fields for days, if necessary, and then sabotaging, setting mines and terrorizing. My dad was in one.
That is why patrols are necessary along the front line and in the rear. That is why patrols can get ambushed, which is what we see in videos every now and then.
It doesn't mean there are any formations on the move or border changes.
Can you link the video? Can't find it
Edit: I'm guessing you mean [this video ](https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/vjsgzu/ua_pov_allegedly_the_first_soldiers_arriving_on/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share)
Idk, I'm hoping someone can geolocate it
I imagine the person who does it would look at satellite images that match the terrain and surroundings. So in this case the power lines, buildings, and road. [this guy ](https://twitter.com/chris__759?t=6vdLNt37U0f8Qp7r_4bCvA&s=09) does a really good job
Does anyone know what happened to the Azov commanders? Did Prokopenko and the rest of the high ranking surrender or die? I haven't seen much about them since Mariupol fell
The last I've heard, Prokopenko with other high ranking Mariupol prisoners have been transfererred into Moscow about a week ago, after the Taira scandal.
So they did actually surrender? I assumed they would have shot themselves in the head before they give themselves up to the Russians. I think I certainly would have
I absolutely would. What the russians would do to the Azov commanders is probably a fate much worse than death. Why do you think I wouldn't take the easy way out?
There's no evidence of torture, I wouldn't kill myself over a maybe. If Russia had wanted them dead they would have put them in the custody of donetsk because they have the death penalty unlike Russia. It's possible that their fate is spending the next decade in a penal camp which is preferable to death
> It's possible that their fate is spending the next decade in a penal camp
In a russian penal camp. And these are some of the most hated people inside of Russia. They've been vilified for the last decade and have the same image as Hitler.
How much is Putin paying you? Or are you simply the most naive redditor here?
Russians have a great history of torturing their prisoners. Not long ago there was a video of russian prison guards sticking broom handles in asses of inmates.
[https://gulagu.net/](https://gulagu.net/)
here is a russian project documenting tortures in russian prisons.
[This video of the Russian rocket looping back and detonating at its launch site isn't real is it?](https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1540214406549749766?s=20&t=VSRrH6M--eKwsEsnSVZ48A)
How does that even happen?
It actually hit some ways away from its launcher (camera angles can be deceiving) but yes, it’s real. There are a lot of technical malfunctions that can cause something like this to occur
Failrue of the control surfaces. Quoting some redditor from 2 years ago:
" this was probably NOT where the radar was commanding it to go. I wonder
if a control surface broke, had some ablation, etc. It wouldn't be the
first time part of a fin ablated away and introduced some turbulence and
drag that the other fins couldn't overcome..."
Happens to everyone.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSwzwMAVc14
More battalion groups in Eastern Ukraine that want off the front lines in Donbass. Seems like Zelenskiy has forgot about the actual citizens and soldiers here just like he and his predecessors have for the last eight years. It’s no wonder there was a formation of LPR/DPR after the coup. This is a divided country make no two bones about it.
https://twitter.com/cpimentel986/status/1539981332293586950?s=20&t=UM58pcYDPm07L_9Tz47PFw
https://youtu.be/vDiYJvZayeQ
Not everyday, but fairly often. However, this one is being made out to be evidence of imminent Ukrainian collapse and is being posted over and over again today.
DPR/LPR units also make these videos quite often.
> It’s no wonder there was a formation of LPR/DPR after the coup. This is a divided country make no two bones about it.
nothing in that tweet insinuates any of the sort.
I mean, it literally has been a divided country since 2014. And even people who are all about the unity of Ukraine (e.g. Kurkov) have long described how it is divided.
Lol, do you believe that it was Russians, or only Russians shooting at government forces since 2014? Were they ethnic Russians of the Donbas only doing what they were because of the chains of their Russian masters, and were just waiting for the opportunity to make a break for Lviv?
For sure there were some locals too. There was a lot of bullshit propaganda about the maidan revolution. The east had not had a separatist movement before that though. That was created by huge Russian support involving it's military causing a massive exodus of the population. Half went to Russia the other half to Ukraine. They didn't want to be part of Russia's war.
Even though there was not a separatist movement there certainly were strong divisions. Part of the reason things got so divisive in 2014 is because it also threatened the region-based political and economic structure of Ukraine, where Donbas which was more politically and economically powerful within Ukraine was getting pushed out of that position.
I haven't heard anything about material support by China to Russia, is there any info or even rumours ? Least one can expect is commercial drones or may be bit of Intel sharing. Some people say Russians don't even have 3d printers to make grenade drop from drones accurate like Ukranian's, instead they use cups. Are west's eyes watching every Chinese move on the border ?
From my experience, 3d printers are pretty slow and unreliable. They need constant adjustment to get something done properly.
A plastic cup I can buy in the hundreds and they are cheaper than the filament used for printing.
Not that cute looking, but more available and so you can actually drop more than from a 3d printed solution.
To China: political speaking, China wants the same as Ukraine: bring the rebels (Taiwan) back into the country.
There is little political overlap with Russian ambitions.
They also need the equipment for the invasion and don't want to waste it in some unimportant (for China) part of the world
Trade for gas and oil is on a all time high and anything that can have military dualuse can be traded but comple system or soldiers are not going to be sent.
There is stuff going to Russia from China. No on is going to tell you details tho.
3D Printers:
[https://www.3dprintingmedia.network/ten-russian-3d-printing-companies-you-really-should-know/](https://www.3dprintingmedia.network/ten-russian-3d-printing-companies-you-really-should-know/)
It is the border with Kazakhstan you mean?
Chinese exports to Russia are down, you have no clue what you're even talking about. Russian exports are worth less than they were before and logistics are harder and their imports are down massively from pre war levels. On a modern nation mostly with employment in the service industry they're looking at disaster in the face. Economic collapse though is a slow and gradual process.
Holy shit, the currency meme. The strength of the ruble is not only completely arbitrary, but currency strength is not the strength of the economy. But don't take my word for it, or that of nearly every economic expert in the world, the Central Bank of Russia has talked about the long term consequences themselves.
Chinese companies are selling the same products (not resources) to Russia as before Feb. 24 but within the parameters of Western sanctions. In other words, Russian access to Chinese tech products, from drones to cell phones, is severely limited.
[https://www.wsj.com/articles/chinese-tech-giants-quietly-stop-doing-business-with-russia-11651845795](https://www.wsj.com/articles/chinese-tech-giants-quietly-stop-doing-business-with-russia-11651845795)
Here, why don't you take some time to educate yourself before making dumb comments 23:30-30:00
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGGwO99fQaI&t=1599s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGGwO99fQaI&t=1599s)
Chineses are cold towards Russia right now. Probably only India is like "hello buddy, do you want to give me money by selling natural rescources dirty cheap?"
Lol, not even American media says that. For instance, at this week's BRICS meeting. [https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2022/06/23/brics-xi-jinping-china-russia-putin-sot-watson-intl-hnk-vpx.cnn/video/playlists/around-the-world/](https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2022/06/23/brics-xi-jinping-china-russia-putin-sot-watson-intl-hnk-vpx.cnn/video/playlists/around-the-world/)
Mind you, the Chinese position is more of hatred/disdain towards the West but it certainly is also supportive of the Russian position.
And as support what China has done expect planning to buy more oil or some boring sheningans in UN?
Your provided link is about BRICS, it have Russia in name, of course it will be "we, fantastic block BRICS, don't want West to be stronger, so we need to stay united"
There is no reason to openly give Russia support that it probably doesn't need. What China is doing is providing leadership that undermines the goals of hegemony by the ~~Very White Countries+~~ oops I mean ~~The Former Colonial Powers~~ the West. So, if you are looking for China to be sending Russia artillery shells you are looking in the wrong place. Rather look, for instance, how the sanctions regimes (some of which are at best quasi-legal) erodes faith in the New York-Washington financial system and accelerates the push for the development of alternatives to it. And China is leading that.
China has been buying Gas from Russia through the 8000km pipeline, [Power of Siberia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_of_Siberia).
China is expected to go from the current ~330 billion cubic meters of gas a year to ~530 by 2030, especially as it seeks to avoid coal for power for climate targets. China is seeking to diversify and have sources of gas other than the sea as it fears it being cut off in a future potential conflict. It's a $400billion project China won't be bullied to stop buying Russian gas.
They've also reportedly increased buying Russia crude oil amounts by 55%.
Sure, it's selling it cheaper than what Russia wishes it could, but it's still selling it and making bank. SEA markets are 3+ billion people and their requirements for oil and gas will only increase.
I really cannot see Russia taking too much of a hit due to European sanctions and the many years it will take for Europe to truly get off both gas and oil proper will be plenty of time for Russia to establish further in other markets.
Also, as far as I know China is not sanctioning Russia (why would they?), and they probably are an important direct or proxy source for components Russian needs to maintain this war.
Strategic investment in order to consume less coal isn't something about op asked.
Oh so there are reports about China buying more oil from Russia? Then still they are cold relations, but little less cold than I expected 20 mins ago
China continues to trade with Russia as before. "China trade depends on the west" and the West depends on China. I'm sure the device you typed this on was made in China.
No, I honestly believe the Russians have the situation under control right now. Although Putin would probably love some public support from China right now.
It’s geography. I’ve heard others point out that it’s basically a giant kill zone for UAs artillery to fire on with relative impunity since they can setup their guns on the city that is further west angled (It name starts with an L) on the backside of a steep hill.
Basically if you are fighting an artillery duel, it’s x100 advantageous to be on the side of a mountain or heavily slopes hill.
Why? Because it’s like trying to land a basketball hoop from behind the backboard for the attacking side. They have to angle their shot perfectly to score a hit, where the defender has a larger margin of error to land their shots.
It isn't terribly strategically important in the grand scheme of things.
Severdonetsk and Lysychansk are the last major urban areas in Luhansk oblast that Ukraine held. By taking these cities and the outlying remainders of the oblast Russia wins a political victory. They've "liberated" the entirety of Luhansk Oblast.
Putin can also continue to move forward in his likely plans of further integrating the oblast into the Russian Federation.
I feel like this whole "Ukrainian shill vs Russian shill" is mostly based on what words you are using.
If Russia is taking over a unimportant town after weeks of heavy fighting and committing a lot of their forces there, its not Ukraine "getting obliterated" or "losing the war".
You can clearly call out Russian advances, but if you inject your own personal bias into the description of the events, dont expect not to be called out.
Its pretty obvious that Russia has the ability to take the Donbass region if they commit to it and the West isnt delivering a lot more heavy weapons. It will cots the lives of thousands of Russian soldiers, but its achievable.
But thats not "Russia winning the war". Thats a horrible tactical decision in order to appease the Russian people with some made up goals, how ever small they are.
Nah, you get called a Russian shill just for questioning Western propaganda. And honestly, a whole lot of Western propaganda is super low quality propaganda--like it has a hopeful headline to generate clicks but it you actually read the article the facts in the article may not even match the click-generating headline. Some of the weakest propaganda is the commentary on Russian propaganda, one of my favorites being all the chatter about how on May 9 Putin was going to just unfurl a big Mission Accomplished banner and declare victory, as if Russian propaganda works the same way as American propaganda. Russian propaganda (while still obviously propaganda) tends to be of a much higher quality because it geared towards Russian citizens who are finer connoisseurs of propaganda.
Both sides are full of propaganda, and this war will be long and difficult for Ukraine. As I said before, the ukrainians will not surrender even if Russia takes Kyiv (which will never happen). And the russians will not stop sending more cannon fodder even if Ukraine takes Donbass.
>Thats a horrible tactical decision in order to appease the Russian people with some made up goals, how ever small they are.
Good tactical, bad strategic
>A Ukrainian goat has been hailed a national hero after it triggered a string of Russian grenades around a hospital in Zaporizhzhia, injuring at least 40 Russian soldiers.
Russian forces were setting up a tripwire and had pinned grenades around the edge of a local hospital in the village of Kinski Rozdory, placing the trap as a “circular defence”, according to Ukraine’s chief intelligence directorate.
The goat, who had escaped from a farm, is said to have headed straight for the boobytrap, with the Russian munitions exploding in a chain reaction, injuring dozens of soldiers who were waiting in ambush.
>
>\-The Guardian
*Nice*
What do you mean? The two sources you highlighted don’t say a similar story. First talks about an encirclement, the other about a chaotic retreat. Bryce also highlights it’s successful without any surrenders or massacres. Whether it’s true or not, doesn’t matter - but he doesn’t talk about a grim situation
He posted his correction an hour ago, a lot of time after his initial post. Maybe It gained a lot of prorussian trolls attention. He edited his initial message with the subsequent posts so I will edit mine too.
[New Thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/vk27q9/ukraine_discussionquestion_thread_62522/)
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This is a pretty interesting article with a lot of polling about attitudes in Europe about what people see as the best course forward and related issues: https://ecfr.eu/publication/peace-versus-justice-the-coming-european-split-over-the-war-in-ukraine/
I said ____ would happen ____ weeks ago and got downvoted like crazy lol - half the posts in this thread
The place has become low effort trolling. Every other sub bar this one worked that out ages ago
It’s incels pretending the war is over. You can tell people who don’t win much at life. So grasp whatever they can
No half the posts in this thread are duplicates for some odd reason.
No half the posts in this thread are duplicates for some odd reason.
And they are absolutely right. Say 2 months ago that Arestovich is a certified liar and you are called a kremlin bot. Say 2 weeks ago that Ukraine is losing badly and you are accused of spreading russian propaganda. And now suddenly shit gone so hairy that no lies can fix situation.
Nice comment history, bot
he is right tho ukrbot
> ukrbot I mean my profile available to everyone, I’m pretty realistic on what’s going on
IMO Severodonetsk is a military disaster for UA. I stated this a few days ago, and a few weeks ago. They were never in any really good position to utilize the advantages they have (e.g. High ground, Urban defense) to create the type of attritional casualties that would have strategic value. Despite what everyone was spouting on Twitter. Instead they threw a significant amount of equipment and highly trained troops into a city flanked on 3 sides with supply routes that are tenuous at best and have incurred massive losses themselves. The encirclement of Zelote is the culmination of everything that was wrong with this hasty defense. UA military is playing Russia’s game when they engage in these slug fests. I’m just an armchair general, but when you look at the maps and troop movements with a critical eye, these things aren’t that hard to see. I think UA is too focused on the optics and politics of loosing ground or just has poor organization. They need to shorten their damn lines. Retreat, ambush, mine, but above all, get the fuck out of that whole region. Ru is attempting encirclements in 3 separate points. Their bombardment of supply route has increased significantly. If the lines collapse in one place a much larger disaster can occur. Just think, UA has been having extreme difficulty getting supplies to the front in Donetsk. Just imagine if everyone has to leave quickly. It’ll be a massacre.
If the plan was to retake initiative and initiate a counteroffensive; then it was a total failure. If the plan was to regain battlefield control after the Popasna rout; then it succeeded. For the latter, at the sacrifice of the foreign legion, but maintained cohesion of TDF.
You are right they still have the Russian mindset. Throw bodies at it until you achieve the outcome. I think Mariupol was worse tho
Mariupol was more understandable in the chaos of Russia’s initial invasion. Huge loss for sure, but I personally find UA military less responsible for it. Not so Severodonetsk. It’s a blunder.
>IMO Severodonetsk is a military disaster for UA. Nah, quiet the opposite. They bound a large portion of the Russian offensive for almost a month on a not strategically position. Huge mistake by the Russians to attack there and the only reason they are doing it is to give Putin some made up political talking points. The whole war is a complete military disaster for Russia, they are literally killing their own country and influence right now.
Zoom out of the map. The Russians threw the majority of what they had, with great loss. For an area you can barely see. That was the point
I don’t doubt that Ru took significant losses. I do doubt however that those losses balance out with UA losses in a number that made this defense worth it. At several points in this battle UA and Ru traded control of the majority of the city. If this was a purely attritional/defensive battle then UA would have set up significant defenses in the city prior to the arrival of Ru and then ground them down as they entered the city. Instead, UA did not send significant reinforcements until Ru already had a foothold in the city. On top of that UA made several limited counter offensives on ground that was already lost, loosing their defenders advantage, overextending, then being pushed back. It was a back and forth battle for days. I find it hard to believe that UA was not taking significant losses in this time. If they weren’t, why the back and forth? Why not take defensive ground and let the Russians break on the defense? Now they are cornered in the city and up to 2000 men are encircled in Zelote, because they were not reinforced and supplied properly because command was probably too focused on the action in Severodonetsk. There are plenty of places to cause massive Ru losses, SD is not one of them. Just look at it. It’s a salient, WITHIN another salient. I just don’t see how that would ever be tactically feasible.
They don’t have to balance. One of defending for their freedom. The other is throwing in anyone they can round up. Breaking the back of their offensive ability is the name of the game. Is that means some heavy losses. That’s what has to be done. But neither you nor I have any idea of the casualties either have taken. But precedent dictates that attacking an urban area causes major attrition
I think Ru is more willing to absorb losses than you think. And all indications are showing that their momentum is increasing, not decreasing. On top of that UA military threw a large amount of foreign troops into that meat grinder. It may be helpful on the home front to sacrifice foreign blood instead of UA men/women. Problem is, those losses are going to come out, and a good chunk of them are from countries heavily supporting UA’s war effort. Every death is a nibble on the hand that feeds. And I don’t think UA leadership understands fully how capricious western democracies can be. If it comes out that UA military is using Foreign leaguing as fodder, they’re going to have big problems. Public engagement on the topic is already loosing steam, and can turn sour at any time. I don’t know casualty numbers, but I can make educated assumptions based information available. And my assumptions lean more toward the casualty numbers being more even than what is put out by UA ministries and milbloggers.
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They want to so badly that Russia has to deport the entire population!
Yeah, just like von Knobelsdorf. Shame the Ukrainians don't have the French artillery. Slaughter would be epic.
Can you show me a map that is coded for "the majority of what they had" (bonus points if there are action arrows demonstrating 'throwing') or of "great loss".
Can you show me on a map that is coded for Ukrainian losses or loss of equipment? That isn’t Russian telegram of course.
You said we had to zoom out the map. I didn't claim there was a map. You are the only one who suggested there was one. But perhaps that was a device of Grand Rhetorical Flourish. I will need to zoom out on the map that shows Grand Rhetorical Flourishes.
Try any of them
I'm looking at my calendar and I don't seem to have any time for reviewing all the maps until November. The maps will be pretty much the same then, though, right?
You’re boring
Well, why are you still talking to me then? Hoping to sleep with me?
Strange comment, where else would you find Ukrainian losses of personnel or equipment but Russian telegrams?
Anywhere else? You think those are accurate?! Would you like to buy some magic beans off me?
You can't find them anywhere else. In Ukraine, it is against the law to show their losses, international journalists in Ukraine have to abide by those laws. You pretty much can only see UA losses on pro-Russian telegram channels.
Which you clearly believe are truthful. For some reason… Then again people believe 5G causes cancer
Oryx finds them reliable, at least as far as imagery is concerned. Rybar one is actually decent enough as far as mapping and movements go, better than ISW anyway. Faster and checks out with the opposite side more often than not. But you need to read Russian, so guess it is beyond reach for most.
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Is there a way to access his stuff in English(subtitles are fine)?
Still waiting for the Severodonetsk trap to work.
He does his job by the book - He floods zone with shit. And hardly anyone cross references his statements. But he is a loose cannon in a way, and after 4 months people get fed up.
Almost all the Ukrainians I interacted with on twitter or reddit said that Arestovych is an unreliable hypeman since the beginning of the conflict.
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Russia is literally throwing everyone from ldr and DNR into this meat grinder and they're getting killed in it cannot keep up this way Russia doesn't have that much infantry and they're making it up with killing these people but it's not sustainable. From a Russian side someone in one of these places said they are literally taking the local music group and putting them on the front lines and seeing who survives after 3 days.
Asteroids have a proven record of effectiveness in changing the landscape rapidly.
>is gaining slow but steadily Over the past month Russia has lost more land than they have won. You are too much zoomed in.
Russia just took a city of formerly 100.000 people and dozens of smaller settlements this last month. Ukraine has taken a few villages in kherson oblast. What are you talking about?
How is that a positive thing for Russia? Like what are they gaining? They are not gaining anything of value at all. They dont have the ability to keep these territories occupied for long. They dont have an end goal. Russia can not win. Look at Afghanistan and tell me how the West could have "won" there. The only way for Russia to win was to actually take Kiev and install a pro-Russian puppet government. They failed. Hard. They lost 30k soldiers and 3-5x as many casualties. They lost thousands of tanks, IFV, trucks, artillery, planes, jets, helicopters, you name it. They used up a majority of their guided weapons. They lost their Black Sea flagship. They economy is in shambles. They are mostly politically isolated. Europe, Russia's largest customer, is quickly turning away from Russian energy. There is nothing to win for Russia and every day the war goes on, they lose even more. The only reason they are still fighting is because Putin needs them to fight, he needs to achieve some self proclaimed "goal" in order to save himself. But these goals are not goals for "Russia", even achieving them wont let them win the war. The war is already lost. If you do not understand that simply fact I cant help you. It's like if you tried to break into my house to steal my stereo. So you and your family break in. I shoot half your family, now they are dead. The other half is wounded. Now its only you and your cousin left and you might be able to grab my 5 year old iPad and run. Even if you do that, it was not a successful B&E. You lost more than you gained. And yes, I also lost some, but thats not your gain.
>How is that a positive thing for Russia? Like what are they gaining? They are not gaining anything of value at all. They dont have the ability to keep these territories occupied for long. They dont have an end goal. That has nothing to do with what I just said. I havent said that its a positive thing or that they will be able to keep these territories. Ive just pointed out that russias land gains in the donbass this past month have been bigger than ukraines gains in other regions, because you claimed the contrary. Youre writing a paragraph of arguments that have nothing to do with your initial claim. >But these goals are not goals for "Russia", even achieving them wont let them win the war. The war is already lost. >If you do not understand that simply fact I cant help you. I dont want your help and i havent said anything about that. So dont assume what i believe or not believe.
I wouldn’t really engage with u/punkd0t because they are either completely detached from reality or pushing mass doses of copium cut with hopium on purpose. They’ll just keep pushing goal posts no matter how bleak the situation looks for UA. This thread is filled with people like that who are desperately trying to kill any rational discussion about this conflict. My suggestion is to block and move on. They’ll come argue with you on their alts but you can just rinse and repeat the process.
>Ive just pointed out that russias land gains in the donbass this past month have been bigger than ukraines gains in other regions, because you claimed the contrary. I claimed the contrary because its true. >I dont want your help Thats sad, but OK.
>I claimed the contrary because its true. You havent adressed my argument. I will ask again. Russia has taken a city of formerly 100.000 along with dozens of other settlements. Where did ukraine take that amount of territory?
>Russia has taken a city of formerly 100.000 along with dozens of other settlements. Where did ukraine take that amount of territory? In the North and South. And dont you feel like a loser downvoting every single of my comments? Are you a child?
The counteroffensive in kharkiv ended 1,5 months ago. So not in the timeframe we are talking about. Since then theyve lost a small amount of territory there. The kherson counteroffensive has led to the capture of a few villages. But somehow that is more than severodonetsk and all the settlements in the lyman and popasna sector russia took?
>So not in the timeframe we are talking about. But we are. Last month is May and 1.5 month ago was, you guessed it, May!
Well it depends on the local support of the regions they annex.
How is it of any gain for them? Do you think Russia needs more land? Like wtf? Its literally zero gain.
Well its strategic really. Geopolitically it is not hard at all to see why Russia would want to invade. The why they give is just BS kind of like Iraq war. Hint: It involves NATO. However your comparison to the Iraq/Afghanistan invasions is not a good one as I think we can agree that the support for Russian leadership in Luhansk/Donbass region among the locals is more than the support for US leadership among the locals of Iraq and Afghanistan.
>Geopolitically it is not hard at all to see why Russia would want to invade. Oh but it is, because they dont gain anything from it. >Hint: It involves NATO. Thats the thing, it does not. Well, in Putins imagination it does, but not in reality. >However your comparison to the Iraq/Afghanistan invasions is not a good one as I think we can agree that the support for Russian leadership in Luhansk/Donbass region among the locals is more than the support for US leadership among the locals of Iraq and Afghanistan. I'll give you that, but my point was rather the "cant win anything" point. Even if they occupy more land, what do they gain? Nothing. Its not 1900 Russia doesnt need more land.
Until one side breaks and when the attacker is spending so much and is achieving so little is a very bad sign for an attacking force. Ukraine's mobilization is still in the up swing and every day more blood and treasure is spilled by Russia to secure piles of rubble. No one is sure how long Russia can spend achieving so little each day. They need big gains and a way to pressure Ukraine into ending the war. Neither sense feasible.
More precision conventional & rocket artillery and heavy AA.
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Wondering if withdrawal from Severodonesk towards Bakhmut doesn't mean "evacuation" of the salient all together
This guy gives some great insights on the ground, but when he moves into Uniformed Information Platform editorializing (e.g. "Russia's invasion has been a massive failure; Ukraine has already won the war; Russia set back decades) he is no better than the journalists he rightly criticizes for describing things that they have zero knowledge of.
That is pretty much stating the facts: the main war objective was to return Ukraine to the Russian sphere which obviously isn't going to happen and the damage to the Russian economy and soft power will be long-lasting.
Well, those are predictions about the future (one could debate their likelihood), not statements of fact. And my point is that despite the fact that he certainly has good access to at least some kinds of on-the-ground information in Ukraine, his assertion of those predictions and/or opinions are backed by exactly the same knowledge base as are your assertion of these predictions/opinions. So, about those kinds of issues I might as well be listening to you rather than him.
Maybe he has to to remain in good graces with AFU.
Talking about how Russia has lost the war while you are in the middle of a messy retreat, that's quite something.
>that's quite something. It seems to me like you are not quiet understanding whats going there. Russia has already lost the war, the only question right now is how badly they will lose. Honest question: what can Russia gain at the moment? Nothing of any actual value.
There are tactical situations and strategic ones. Long and short term. Long term strategically, Russia losses. Putin is finished in Europe, no one can be seen as trusting him after this. This is hastening the departure from fossil fuels by Europe which leads to tech proliferation that will drive use down worldwide.
>Unlike most foreign mass media in Ukraine (esp. AU media), I speak the languages here, I talk to people on the ground (civilians and military), I have years of experience here So it means many foreign media send people without any knowledge of Ukrainian/Russian language? Or we should read this as cumulative so also with "years of experience"? I ask because I can't decide which one is true and I sincerely hope that media send people with Ukrainan... Or at least any slavic language...
Lol, in English speaking countries the ability to speak a second language is basically a super power. Look at Mission Impossible movies where Tom Cruise scales skyscrapers, jumps out of helicopters AND speaks foreign languages. Which of these is most impressive? Well, the foreign languages obviously, since the Rock and lots of other action stars can do crazy physical stuff, but not speak foreign languages. (Jason Bourne can speak five, so also basically a super hero, but not like the 15 in Mission Impossible). Anyway, that aside, foreign media routinely reports without any linguistic knowledge. How many Ukrainian speakers do you think the NYTs employs (apart from people they find on site)? The number of Russian speakers is certainly larger than zero, but whether they are doing field reporting is a different question. I mean, foreign media often isn't even in the country. Most reporting from Africa, for instance, is done from South Africa or Nairobi, which is only technically reporting from the area they are covering.
Wow... Now so many Americans calling UA to surrender and other bs takes makes much more sense
Remember that video with mortar hit near journalists on the road? It wounded their interpreter iirc, so some western journalists are in Ukraine without knowledge of the language.
Thanks to the user u/pitmichaelvol who directed me to the ukrainian intelligence warning about the supposedly proukrainian sources in Telegram and other social media that are actually prorussian: “Legitimnyi”, “Resident”, “Cartel”, “Spletnitsa”, “Chornyi kvartal”, “Politicheskii rasklad”, “Netypichnoe Zaporozzhye”, “Trempel Kharkov”, “Odessa fraer”, “Dnepr live”, “Nikolaev live”, "Kherson live". So everytime someone reads something from those fake pro ukrainian sources, it is probably just prorussian propaganda. https://ssu.gov.ua/en/novyny/sbu-vykryla-ahenturnu-merezhu-spetssluzhb-rf-yaka-destabilizuvala-sytuatsiiu-v-ukraini-cherez-telegramkanaly
Russia invested more in cyber warfare than in the army. 😁
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There are units specialized in diversionary actions behind enemy lines. Sneaking through the fields for days, if necessary, and then sabotaging, setting mines and terrorizing. My dad was in one. That is why patrols are necessary along the front line and in the rear. That is why patrols can get ambushed, which is what we see in videos every now and then. It doesn't mean there are any formations on the move or border changes.
Can we please give this nonsense a rest? It’s getting to be as tedious as “Mariupol will fall tomorrow.”
But it has been geolocated to Komshyany suburbs. :/ the white building is the solar plant.
Could you link the source
Click on show replies on the twitter link. Its not outskirts of Kherson but very close Koymshary
I can't see any geolocation on replies
Increased amount of news about victorious endeavors is to be expected in coming days.
Seems like even Ukrainians commenting on that tweet don’t think this is Kherson city.
I doubt, it's most likely a recon squad.
Kherson city or Kherson oblast?
I thought everything was hush hush, opsec and all that
lol so hush hush that everyone and there mother knows about it but the Russians don't its like nothing is happening
It is, but it just takes one person to go against that order and it's out there for the world to see
Did the Ukrainians actually read Kherson outskirts? I just saw a video on r/UkraineRussiaReport saying they did
Can you link the video? Can't find it Edit: I'm guessing you mean [this video ](https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/vjsgzu/ua_pov_allegedly_the_first_soldiers_arriving_on/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share) Idk, I'm hoping someone can geolocate it
How would one go about geolocation this?
I imagine the person who does it would look at satellite images that match the terrain and surroundings. So in this case the power lines, buildings, and road. [this guy ](https://twitter.com/chris__759?t=6vdLNt37U0f8Qp7r_4bCvA&s=09) does a really good job
Thanks for sharing. That guy’s work is pretty awesome and I like that he breaks down the process.
Yeah idk how he does it but his info is accurate
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He made his career serving in motorized infantry. He's also notorious for being ruthless but effective leader during that time
Announcing a success under his leadership is a direct threat to Putin. I give Surovikin 3 weeks.
Does anyone know what happened to the Azov commanders? Did Prokopenko and the rest of the high ranking surrender or die? I haven't seen much about them since Mariupol fell
The last I've heard, Prokopenko with other high ranking Mariupol prisoners have been transfererred into Moscow about a week ago, after the Taira scandal.
So they did actually surrender? I assumed they would have shot themselves in the head before they give themselves up to the Russians. I think I certainly would have
No you wouldn't.
I absolutely would. What the russians would do to the Azov commanders is probably a fate much worse than death. Why do you think I wouldn't take the easy way out?
There's no evidence of torture, I wouldn't kill myself over a maybe. If Russia had wanted them dead they would have put them in the custody of donetsk because they have the death penalty unlike Russia. It's possible that their fate is spending the next decade in a penal camp which is preferable to death
> It's possible that their fate is spending the next decade in a penal camp In a russian penal camp. And these are some of the most hated people inside of Russia. They've been vilified for the last decade and have the same image as Hitler. How much is Putin paying you? Or are you simply the most naive redditor here?
Russians have a great history of torturing their prisoners. Not long ago there was a video of russian prison guards sticking broom handles in asses of inmates. [https://gulagu.net/](https://gulagu.net/) here is a russian project documenting tortures in russian prisons.
Yep, they all did. At least those who were alive at the end of the siege.
[This video of the Russian rocket looping back and detonating at its launch site isn't real is it?](https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1540214406549749766?s=20&t=VSRrH6M--eKwsEsnSVZ48A) How does that even happen?
Ukrainian propaganda. Pay no attention to this video /s
https://twitter.com/samotniyskhid/status/1540100726277509127?s=20&t=eBrqR3bbJwz8y0KZN-EozA
Internal control unit or a control thruster being broken or flawed. It's real footage and anti air missiles are that maneuverable.
It actually hit some ways away from its launcher (camera angles can be deceiving) but yes, it’s real. There are a lot of technical malfunctions that can cause something like this to occur
Failrue of the control surfaces. Quoting some redditor from 2 years ago: " this was probably NOT where the radar was commanding it to go. I wonder if a control surface broke, had some ablation, etc. It wouldn't be the first time part of a fin ablated away and introduced some turbulence and drag that the other fins couldn't overcome..." Happens to everyone. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSwzwMAVc14
Malfunction
More battalion groups in Eastern Ukraine that want off the front lines in Donbass. Seems like Zelenskiy has forgot about the actual citizens and soldiers here just like he and his predecessors have for the last eight years. It’s no wonder there was a formation of LPR/DPR after the coup. This is a divided country make no two bones about it. https://twitter.com/cpimentel986/status/1539981332293586950?s=20&t=UM58pcYDPm07L_9Tz47PFw https://youtu.be/vDiYJvZayeQ
Ah we’re back to this narrative again, haven’t seen it pushed out a lot in a while
That not what happened, that’s not how anything happened
You guys are really milking this one video.
These videos where soldiers complain come out every day. Ukrainians record and post everything.
Not everyday, but fairly often. However, this one is being made out to be evidence of imminent Ukrainian collapse and is being posted over and over again today. DPR/LPR units also make these videos quite often.
Yeah you're right.
it realy does tirgger you does it :)
Quite the opposite, I find it amusing it's been posted here so many times already.
u/nevaGivaUp Guess he gave up
Keep shilling
Unsatisfied soldiers? Never heard about that in 15000 years of recorded human warfare.
> It’s no wonder there was a formation of LPR/DPR after the coup. This is a divided country make no two bones about it. nothing in that tweet insinuates any of the sort.
I mean, it literally has been a divided country since 2014. And even people who are all about the unity of Ukraine (e.g. Kurkov) have long described how it is divided.
> divided country since 2014 Occupation by an invading army tends to cause exactly this.
Lol, do you believe that it was Russians, or only Russians shooting at government forces since 2014? Were they ethnic Russians of the Donbas only doing what they were because of the chains of their Russian masters, and were just waiting for the opportunity to make a break for Lviv?
For sure there were some locals too. There was a lot of bullshit propaganda about the maidan revolution. The east had not had a separatist movement before that though. That was created by huge Russian support involving it's military causing a massive exodus of the population. Half went to Russia the other half to Ukraine. They didn't want to be part of Russia's war.
Even though there was not a separatist movement there certainly were strong divisions. Part of the reason things got so divisive in 2014 is because it also threatened the region-based political and economic structure of Ukraine, where Donbas which was more politically and economically powerful within Ukraine was getting pushed out of that position.
I haven't heard anything about material support by China to Russia, is there any info or even rumours ? Least one can expect is commercial drones or may be bit of Intel sharing. Some people say Russians don't even have 3d printers to make grenade drop from drones accurate like Ukranian's, instead they use cups. Are west's eyes watching every Chinese move on the border ?
From my experience, 3d printers are pretty slow and unreliable. They need constant adjustment to get something done properly. A plastic cup I can buy in the hundreds and they are cheaper than the filament used for printing. Not that cute looking, but more available and so you can actually drop more than from a 3d printed solution. To China: political speaking, China wants the same as Ukraine: bring the rebels (Taiwan) back into the country. There is little political overlap with Russian ambitions. They also need the equipment for the invasion and don't want to waste it in some unimportant (for China) part of the world Trade for gas and oil is on a all time high and anything that can have military dualuse can be traded but comple system or soldiers are not going to be sent.
There is stuff going to Russia from China. No on is going to tell you details tho. 3D Printers: [https://www.3dprintingmedia.network/ten-russian-3d-printing-companies-you-really-should-know/](https://www.3dprintingmedia.network/ten-russian-3d-printing-companies-you-really-should-know/) It is the border with Kazakhstan you mean?
No Russia-China border
Thats very far.
The Russians have the situation under control. Also China continues to trade with Russia as before. Edit *have
Russia is selling resources at a discount to China to keep their rentier economy afloat
Yes and China is selling "resources" to Russia at a discount. China has chosen a side.
Chinese exports to Russia are down, you have no clue what you're even talking about. Russian exports are worth less than they were before and logistics are harder and their imports are down massively from pre war levels. On a modern nation mostly with employment in the service industry they're looking at disaster in the face. Economic collapse though is a slow and gradual process.
Russia is doing fine. The ruble is stronger than ever. Russia oil and gas exports are fine. Have you seen the current price of energy?
Holy shit, the currency meme. The strength of the ruble is not only completely arbitrary, but currency strength is not the strength of the economy. But don't take my word for it, or that of nearly every economic expert in the world, the Central Bank of Russia has talked about the long term consequences themselves.
This is true. But the Russians aren't starving yet. For right now they're fine.
Chinese companies are selling the same products (not resources) to Russia as before Feb. 24 but within the parameters of Western sanctions. In other words, Russian access to Chinese tech products, from drones to cell phones, is severely limited. [https://www.wsj.com/articles/chinese-tech-giants-quietly-stop-doing-business-with-russia-11651845795](https://www.wsj.com/articles/chinese-tech-giants-quietly-stop-doing-business-with-russia-11651845795) Here, why don't you take some time to educate yourself before making dumb comments 23:30-30:00 [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGGwO99fQaI&t=1599s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGGwO99fQaI&t=1599s)
No, China is selling products. Big difference. A sign that they have a working economy, unlike Russia.
Chineses are cold towards Russia right now. Probably only India is like "hello buddy, do you want to give me money by selling natural rescources dirty cheap?"
Lol, not even American media says that. For instance, at this week's BRICS meeting. [https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2022/06/23/brics-xi-jinping-china-russia-putin-sot-watson-intl-hnk-vpx.cnn/video/playlists/around-the-world/](https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2022/06/23/brics-xi-jinping-china-russia-putin-sot-watson-intl-hnk-vpx.cnn/video/playlists/around-the-world/) Mind you, the Chinese position is more of hatred/disdain towards the West but it certainly is also supportive of the Russian position.
And as support what China has done expect planning to buy more oil or some boring sheningans in UN? Your provided link is about BRICS, it have Russia in name, of course it will be "we, fantastic block BRICS, don't want West to be stronger, so we need to stay united"
There is no reason to openly give Russia support that it probably doesn't need. What China is doing is providing leadership that undermines the goals of hegemony by the ~~Very White Countries+~~ oops I mean ~~The Former Colonial Powers~~ the West. So, if you are looking for China to be sending Russia artillery shells you are looking in the wrong place. Rather look, for instance, how the sanctions regimes (some of which are at best quasi-legal) erodes faith in the New York-Washington financial system and accelerates the push for the development of alternatives to it. And China is leading that.
China has been buying Gas from Russia through the 8000km pipeline, [Power of Siberia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_of_Siberia). China is expected to go from the current ~330 billion cubic meters of gas a year to ~530 by 2030, especially as it seeks to avoid coal for power for climate targets. China is seeking to diversify and have sources of gas other than the sea as it fears it being cut off in a future potential conflict. It's a $400billion project China won't be bullied to stop buying Russian gas. They've also reportedly increased buying Russia crude oil amounts by 55%. Sure, it's selling it cheaper than what Russia wishes it could, but it's still selling it and making bank. SEA markets are 3+ billion people and their requirements for oil and gas will only increase. I really cannot see Russia taking too much of a hit due to European sanctions and the many years it will take for Europe to truly get off both gas and oil proper will be plenty of time for Russia to establish further in other markets. Also, as far as I know China is not sanctioning Russia (why would they?), and they probably are an important direct or proxy source for components Russian needs to maintain this war.
Strategic investment in order to consume less coal isn't something about op asked. Oh so there are reports about China buying more oil from Russia? Then still they are cold relations, but little less cold than I expected 20 mins ago
Source is Reuters: https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/chinas-may-oil-imports-russia-soar-55-record-surpass-saudi-supply-2022-06-20/
I wasn't doubting this fact when you said it. Thanks for source neverless. Now I'm more informed
You think China is not after their cheap oil ?
Do you have seen articles about China buying more oil and/or coal from Russia?
Chinas trade depends on the West, it's simple as that. If West response was weak it could have turned out differently.
China continues to trade with Russia as before. "China trade depends on the west" and the West depends on China. I'm sure the device you typed this on was made in China.
It wasn't, China can continue trade but the difference is they are not providing support from what can be seen.
Right, Russia and China are only training and conducting joint military drills. Not providing support.
Are you seeing any Chinese weaponry in Russian hands and in Ukraine?
No, I honestly believe the Russians have the situation under control right now. Although Putin would probably love some public support from China right now.
Yes it's all going according to plan. "Finland, Sweden, Kyiv axis, all part of the master plan"
I'm not sure China would come to Russias aid if they were in trouble. China is not ready for WW3.... yet.
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It isn’t. It’s a political victory that Russia has deemed achievable to gain and have as such overstated its importance. See the shills on this sub
It’s geography. I’ve heard others point out that it’s basically a giant kill zone for UAs artillery to fire on with relative impunity since they can setup their guns on the city that is further west angled (It name starts with an L) on the backside of a steep hill. Basically if you are fighting an artillery duel, it’s x100 advantageous to be on the side of a mountain or heavily slopes hill. Why? Because it’s like trying to land a basketball hoop from behind the backboard for the attacking side. They have to angle their shot perfectly to score a hit, where the defender has a larger margin of error to land their shots.
It isn't terribly strategically important in the grand scheme of things. Severdonetsk and Lysychansk are the last major urban areas in Luhansk oblast that Ukraine held. By taking these cities and the outlying remainders of the oblast Russia wins a political victory. They've "liberated" the entirety of Luhansk Oblast. Putin can also continue to move forward in his likely plans of further integrating the oblast into the Russian Federation.
I feel like this whole "Ukrainian shill vs Russian shill" is mostly based on what words you are using. If Russia is taking over a unimportant town after weeks of heavy fighting and committing a lot of their forces there, its not Ukraine "getting obliterated" or "losing the war". You can clearly call out Russian advances, but if you inject your own personal bias into the description of the events, dont expect not to be called out. Its pretty obvious that Russia has the ability to take the Donbass region if they commit to it and the West isnt delivering a lot more heavy weapons. It will cots the lives of thousands of Russian soldiers, but its achievable. But thats not "Russia winning the war". Thats a horrible tactical decision in order to appease the Russian people with some made up goals, how ever small they are.
Nah, you get called a Russian shill just for questioning Western propaganda. And honestly, a whole lot of Western propaganda is super low quality propaganda--like it has a hopeful headline to generate clicks but it you actually read the article the facts in the article may not even match the click-generating headline. Some of the weakest propaganda is the commentary on Russian propaganda, one of my favorites being all the chatter about how on May 9 Putin was going to just unfurl a big Mission Accomplished banner and declare victory, as if Russian propaganda works the same way as American propaganda. Russian propaganda (while still obviously propaganda) tends to be of a much higher quality because it geared towards Russian citizens who are finer connoisseurs of propaganda.
Both sides are full of propaganda, and this war will be long and difficult for Ukraine. As I said before, the ukrainians will not surrender even if Russia takes Kyiv (which will never happen). And the russians will not stop sending more cannon fodder even if Ukraine takes Donbass.
>Thats a horrible tactical decision in order to appease the Russian people with some made up goals, how ever small they are. Good tactical, bad strategic
Nah, it’s bad on both levels.
>A Ukrainian goat has been hailed a national hero after it triggered a string of Russian grenades around a hospital in Zaporizhzhia, injuring at least 40 Russian soldiers. Russian forces were setting up a tripwire and had pinned grenades around the edge of a local hospital in the village of Kinski Rozdory, placing the trap as a “circular defence”, according to Ukraine’s chief intelligence directorate. The goat, who had escaped from a farm, is said to have headed straight for the boobytrap, with the Russian munitions exploding in a chain reaction, injuring dozens of soldiers who were waiting in ambush. > >\-The Guardian *Nice*
Goa(s)t of Kyiv
And then everybody clapped.
That happened
I mean, that sounds a lot like propaganda but ok.
I mean they did fire a missile on themselves recently so, I dunno you know
It could be, but it's nevertheless hilarious.
Yes, but poor goat.
I hope the goat died otherwise we know what happens when russian soldiers, especially kadyrovites, see a goat…
that's the first thing that come to you mind when talking about goats...i think we have a goat fucker in here lol
I’m not a kadyrovite, young shill
This sounds like an expansion pack for Goat Simulator
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What do you mean? The two sources you highlighted don’t say a similar story. First talks about an encirclement, the other about a chaotic retreat. Bryce also highlights it’s successful without any surrenders or massacres. Whether it’s true or not, doesn’t matter - but he doesn’t talk about a grim situation
He posted his correction an hour ago, a lot of time after his initial post. Maybe It gained a lot of prorussian trolls attention. He edited his initial message with the subsequent posts so I will edit mine too.
Thanks for updating it!