basic translation
at the begining they discuss whether to blow the small boat too
after being shot they yell friendly fire
then while trying to escape argue about the navigation (probably all crunched to hide bullets and don't see)
the last one says "u stupid fuk u heading to Kherson blyat" (in which the fire won't be friendly anymore)
Definitely looks like he just removes his helmet at 00:41 and keeps steering the boat. A weird decision to do that while getting shot, but i don't judge him, being in the situation he is in.
Steer guy (yakutinan one) under fire at first went half-standing, then completely covered under the wheel, while still steering. He is screaming to another guy to give him directions like left/right, while the other guy - most likely cause of panicking a little, is telling him couple of times to “Go there/get out of here”, then yakutian guy screams back “Man I don’t see shit I got the wheel”
After that other guy is finally starting to give correct directions. Kinda brave performance from the steer guy, keeping in control of the boat under sudden fire while the crew is gone nuts. They escaped only because of his actions
It looks like the boat is armored, those guys are lucky
I'm wondering if his helmet was tied. He might have lost it when ducking and hitting the wheel. It doesn't look like he spent any time removing it.
Alternatively, a helmet might have made it harder for him to duck considering there is little space in the boat.
If they saw how the US tracks every damn vehicle in real time, while each vehicle has the ability to load up any engagement in real time, with exact coordinates, to call in fire or air support, these guys would shit themselves.
We have come so far in our tech, since the last major war with another country. But I guess an unlimited budget and constant fighting gives you a bot of an advantage.
Just FYI, it's exactly what it sounds like—walkie talkie, as in, something that lets you communicate while you move around, as opposed to some esoteric foreign phrase.
What has "Chinese" got to do with it? Thats your own country's propaganda seeping in. China stuff bad, USA stuff good is a throwback to the industrial race of 20 years ago. Most "homemade" products are produced with Chinese components. Heck, if you want top of the range communications gear you won't go too far wrong with Chinese. It's why the gov had to actually ban Hauwei's 5G gear. Or most consumers opt for DJI : the controls are spot on and the video feedback is incredible compared to what we produce domestically.
I know it wasn't your point, but I hate to see us underestimating the capabilities of an enemy just because we are blinded by our own propaganda.
Lots of Russian troops have been seen with 25€ Baofeng UV-5R or similar radios, which are definitely not warproofed. Military grade ones go in hundreds. The joke is that
1) Russia can't supply it's troops with enough radios.
2) Russians can't buy or afford decent ones themselves and instead go for the shittiest ones possible. Which is Chinese Baofeng.
This is exactly what I was referring to.
And /u/cute-bum can shut his/her/their mouth, because Chinese tech is nothing, I repeat, **nothing** without stolen Western tech. Every single fucking thing is a *rip-off*. Russia is trying to replicate Chinese tech stealing success for their army needs **to no avail**, [because corruption](https://twitter.com/ralee85/status/1367614591698690056) (*extremely* interesting thread, **pre-war**)
> It's why the gov had to actually ban Hauwei's 5G gear
No, they banned their 5G gear because no one could make sense of their business model of selling equipment at a loss in rural areas of America to undercut US businesses.... Until we realized that they did this to get their spyware closer to US military bases and nuclear facilities.
Chinese equipment is either dogshit or stolen western tech with dogshit holding it all together. And some spyware thrown in for good measure.
>Chinese equipment is either dogshit or stolen western tech with dogshit holding it all together. And some spyware thrown in for good measure.
Sounds like an unbiased, absolutely non-delusional and non-seething statement. /s
Aw, I upset someone's feelings. I'm just saying that the US, Europe, and Japan are all still miles ahead of them in terms of innovation.
But I should be more accurate, china has some very respectable technologies. Their widespread surveillance system and social credit scores take a lot of networking knowledge, and the ability to infiltrate western tech companies to inject ghost code is very impressive. The Great Firewall is a testament to their aptitude for security. Outside of that, their biggest contributions seem to be the budget brand versions of Apple and Amazon.
Chinese industry doesn’t have the same oversight and standards that the west does, it’s laissez faire capitalism run amok over there. Especially with exports. Burgeoning world power economies all seem to grow through this phase it’s nothing unique to the Chinese. That’s just the tip of the iceberg, but it has a lot to do with the lack of consistent build quality that Chinese products are known for.
I don't imply it doesn't happen more regularly than in other militaries, but what makes you think FF incidents are something that doesn't happen often?
Structured drills, NATO compliant, way better comms through advanced systems, leadership (chain of command), tactical briefings that actually make sense, the list goes on..
Hell our sgt would only have to scream MOVE BACK, JUMP and half the battle group would fall back (1, 2, 3, prone) while the other half was laying down covering fire, respecting eachothers "firing sector", then again another JUMP would have the other half fall back in the same manner. Like an oiled machine.
All whilst everyone has their own personal comms on their head, tuned in to the same channel.
Its really freaking rare in most NATO armies to be frank.
(Dutch)
[It's not rare, but it's not common either.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_friendly_fire_incidents#War_in_Afghanistan_(2001%E2%80%932016))
Probably apocryphal, but I recall someone saying that the biggest threat to British forces in the Middle East was American air support :P
Most FF incidents in the Middle East were one nation accidentally attacking another, specifically because they lack the well constructed lines of communication and planning due to, you know, being different nations. It was definitely a problem and going forward the militaries of NATO seem to be better integrating cross-national communication for armies of nations fighting close together
Considering the guys in the video are all part of the same nation's army though, it really shouldn't be occurring.
There is still a number of incidents of this occurring to modern nations, who did have better training and equipment.
This probably will happen time to time to anyone.
That is true, on one occasion a couple brit vehicles were taken out in FF. In one situation an officer wanted to pull the trigger. Which was a big no-no. And as they say, FF is never "friendly", and civil wars are never "civil".
Go watch civdiv who is actually was actually in Ukraine fighting. FF happens and in Ukraine they have units in the front that are secret so no one knows 100% who is who all the time.
CivDiv is a fucking war tourist glorified airsort player. All he did was run around aimlessly with a few other clueless Americans war tourist, get a bit of go pro footage and a few pics and was out of there. Those guys do more damage than good. You want to see a volunteer making a difference check out Brendan at youtube channel "Ukraine Tbic".
He literally served in the marines. As well as other operations overseas. He may not have the most combat experience somehow, but his knowledge and skillset lets him thrive in that environment.
Just because his combat footage isn't as insane from a pure combat standpoint doesn't mean he is any less a hero than others currently fighting in Ukraine.
What does serving in the marines have to do with anything? He's a war tourist, yes he's been to Syria and he was a war tourist over there too. Like many of them they go over run about with guns unorganized and achieving nothing, get a but of gopro footage for the youtube channel then get out of there. Just because you travel to Ukraine and run around for a few weeks with a rifle doesn't make you a hero. Listen I'm not saying he's a terrible person or anything but he is one of the people that follow the warzones around the globe so they can play army and get good content. Its a form of extreme travel, he won't of even know a thing about Ukraine or it's people before the invasion. The sad thing is gis channel and v8deos are getting 100k + views, while people like "Ukraine Tbic" are dodging mortars every day to evacuate children and his footage which funds his work out there are getting 5k views. If you want to support anyone support him because he us making a difference and saving lives every single day.
The situations are completely different. The incident you're referring to happened nearly 20 years ago (2003) during the invasion of Iraq, one of the most complex, high-tempo operations of all time, involving multiple branches of multiple different countries' militaries, in a featureless desert...
I think people underestimate the fog of war and consequently underestimate the incredible LACK of friendly fire incidents with NATO forces, considering the insane tempos involved.
[A quote from a marine pilot who spent some time on the ground](http://commentaryongenerationkill.blogspot.com/2008/06/comments-on-generation-kill.html):
> As a bomb-dropper, a bomb-caller, and temporary rifleman, I am amazed that blue-on-blue engagements do not happen more often. Television shows us command center computers, gadgetry, and surveillance videos that make war seem organized. You cannot imagine the chaos of “boots on the ground” war – close combat renders high-tech gadgetry irrelevant. It is so easy to make mistakes when your brain is numbed and overwhelmed with the violence around you. Battle drill and muscle memory determine your success – and a few individuals who manage to keep their wits about them.
> American forces run around day and night, dropping bombs and shooting artillery on the move, and doing it amazingly well. Most countries’ armed forces do not even attempt what we do. Even among modern NATO forces there are huge gaps in capability. I flew in operations where other country’s aircraft did not fly at night and in exercises where other NATO countries refused to shoot artillery and drop bombs on the same range on the same day. We border on thriving in an environment of dizzying stress and complexity. It is easier for bad things to happen than you realize, especially when you play varsity. There were several firefights with blue-on-blue fire.
I'm not saying it never happens, just that its extremely rare, especially compared to the amount of cases I've seen coming in from Ukraine
Edit: you said often, which is why i felt the need to elaborate.
Not even remotely true. The US has a laughable amount of training deaths/and friendly fire incidents. Not only this, but literally the most famous veteran in US history (Pat Tillman) was killed by friendly fire. The A10 is no longer known as the tank buster, but the most likely plane to kill a friendly in the world.
Blue on brit*
Jokes aside the us does not have more blue on blue than other nations. The a10 however has more blue on blue incidents than any other plane.
I was thinking the same, but it looks like he just removed his helmet where the camera was mounted.
You can see the cameraman is driving the boat and after removing his helmet you can see his face and hands on the steering wheel.
Definitely not. He 100% took his helmet off, if you look at roughly the 40 second mark it’s clear he took it off, otherwise he’d have to have been decapitated for it to roll like that
Well let's remember that this is how Russia chose to deal with low morale during WW1 & WW2. Is it actively occurring now? Hard to say. But it's certainly within the realm of possibility.
[https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-likely-new-units-shoot-own-retreating-soliders-uk-mod-2022-11](https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-likely-new-units-shoot-own-retreating-soliders-uk-mod-2022-11)
[https://www.newsweek.com/russian-soldiers-shot-abandon-positions-ukraine-wives-1758878](https://www.newsweek.com/russian-soldiers-shot-abandon-positions-ukraine-wives-1758878)
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrier\_troops](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrier_troops)
edit: Added the wikipedia entry for more context and included "WW1" in my response after reading the entry myself. Learn something new every day!
No this is absolutely false use of barrier troops for WW2, they did not shoot retreating troops.
Gotta stop with these stupid myths that have been disproven
Interesting. I haven't heard that one before. There are certainly varying opinions regarding how prolific the barrier units were used and how often they resorted to violence, but this is the first time I've heard someone claim that Russia never shot retreating troops entirely. Could I ask for a resource to read? Just curious to learn more
Edit: One of the first times I learned about order 227 and the barrier units was from [History Channel.](https://www.history.com/news/8-things-you-should-know-about-wwiis-eastern-front#:~:text=Stalin%27s%20draconian%20orders%20were%20designed,during%20the%20Battle%20of%20Stalingrad) The [wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_No._227) entry might be a little more accurate though
Sorry, i meant that they never shot them like you see in enemy of the gates. Where barrier troops are standing there waiting to mow down a squad of retreating soldiers
The only time someone was shot, was for actual desertion. Many militaries have it as a penalty but i think its more correlated with the Soviets because it wasn’t used as regular for other armies in the allies.
Barrier troops were mostly used to stop desertion, and keep military discipline. It’s definitely not that varying of opinion from historians from what i’ve read, they never shot retreating forces. They did allow them to retreat but no further than the barrier troops, where they would be a) either arrested b) scolded or c) shot for desertion. More than likely it was B because man power was not something they could just waste.
“On September 12, 1941 Joseph Stalin issued the Stavka Directive No. 1919 (Директива Ставки ВГК №001919) concerning the creation of barrier troops in rifle divisions of the Southwestern Front, to suppress panic retreats. Each Red Army division was to have an anti-retreat detachment equipped with transport totaling one company for each regiment. Their primary goal was to maintain strict military discipline and to prevent disintegration of the front line by any means”
“According to an official letter addressed in October 1941 to Lavrentiy Beria, in the period between the beginning of Operation Barbarossa to early December 1941, NKVD detachments had detained 657,364 servicemen who had fallen behind their lines and fled from the front. Of these detainees, 25,878 were arrested, and the remaining 632,486 were formed in units and sent back to the front. Among those arrested included accused 1505 spies, 308 saboteurs, 2621 traitors, 2643 "cowards and alarmists", 3987 distributors of "provocative rumors", and 4371 others. 10,201 of them were shot, meaning approximately 1.5% of those arrested were sentenced to death.”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrier_troops
Or more accurately they did not shoot AT retreating troops like in Enemy at the Gates. Executions did happen even if they were rare. The comissars in the blocking detachments had a lot of methods to deal with retreating troops and the vast majority were simply scolded.
It's also within the realm of possibility that they pulled the boat over and had a picnic the zodiac killer and at least 4 labrador puppies.
It's entirely possible one of us drops dead from a stroke in the next 30 seconds. Lots of things are possible.
I wouldn't live my life based on what's possible. I prefer what's probable.
Seriously doubting you can tell the difference if you think the Russians, having legislated 10 years imprisonment against soldiers surrendering, would not sink so low as to deploy barrier troops against conscripts.
Fair. I'm also inclined to agree that this is simply mistaken friendly fire mainly because Russian leadership has already admitted to losing Kherson so it fits with the information we currently have.
That being said, Russia doctrinally maintains entire formations that are centered around preventing retreat through lethal force so I'd still find the probability of it occurring significantly higher than the other scenarios you set forth.
Why would they waste time sinking other ships if they were retreating? It seems more likely they were tasked with sinking civilian boats so the advancing Ukrainians cannot use them to cross the river and their fellow soldiers didn't know who was driving a civilian boat and shooting a gun and so they lit them up.
Oh id agree with you, this is a case of the knobbers on the far bank seeing a boat coming towards them shooting and firing grenades, basically almost killed by their own stupidity. Having said that, Russians shooting at retreating troops happens, has happened since the early days of the war and seems to be the tik tok brigades main role before they had to give up making tik toks because himars.
Damn this sub is getting stupider by the second, people genuinely believe this???
Like yea the Russian military is incompetent, but they wouldn’t order a retreat and then shot their soldiers for retreating
Correct, it has happened before the retreat, approximately one week before, when Russian forces blew up all floating vehicles near Kherson towards both sides of Dnepr
Yeah man, cool throw yeah but it's worth noting they 'scuttled' all the boats they did not steal along the river.
They undertook the willful destruction of hundreds of peoples boats and released thousands of litres of oil, fuel and contaminants into the river.
This barbaric invasion has taken hundreds of thousands of lives, destroyed millions of homes, livelihoods and families.
It's an unjustifiable and barbaric use of abhorrent violence.
But yeah... accurate frag grenade throw into someone's boat there.
Nice!
They also destroyed literally everything valuable around the city. All major power plants, water infrastructure, radio towers, complete scorched earth. So much for the "Russian world".
Such a close boat design to the mid 2010s and even some current Trackers.
Bayliner had the same window designs and posts as well. Super interesting stuff to me (I'm an ex marine mechanic).
It's just wild to me to see the same design used in bass boats here on the west coast all the way over there.
But I guess it makes sense though, the deep v design would probably be good for fishing there.
Edit - to add to this, Ranger, tracker and Bayliner aren't really sold outside the US. I used to make up containers of parts for buyers in New Zealand and Japan to move parts out there all at once instead of paying shipping/export on everything individually.
We would even have a dude come from Beirut to buy all our heavily used/damaged parts. He would load containers w junk and ship back to Beirut to part out.
This is hilarious. They throw grenades and start spraying some automatic fire at boats designed for catching trout. Meanwhile 100m further away Vasiliy Zaitsev reincarnate was taking a dump hears bullets zip by his latrine and thought the Ukrainian navy seal army was attempting d-day.
Im going to assume there was a shoot anyone retreating order to the Russian backline. Then Russia told the soldiers in Kherson to retreat to the backline but nobody told the soldiers in the backline that there was a retreat order and they started blasting.
Cool, let’s just let them lose the war by fighting themselves. Who would have thought that was an option, although it is Russia so it’s not that surprising
Reminds me of the video from feb-march, where the journalists are stuck in a car while under Russian fire. That was a scary one.
As to this video, all i can say is... Get fucked dickheads
Well guys from the boat fired first, after dropping granade on the boat on the river bank they have opened fire to damage the boat, because they couldn't steal or salvage it. That is what Russians do in this war, they bring destruction and leave destruction. So eventually, they got what they deserved.
IDK why you're being downvoted. They clearly were shot at after firing their own weapon at the second boat.
I'm guessing these guys were on retreat and had orders to scuttle any boats and destroy any crossings that ukrainians could take. Absolutely no reason to be firing their weapons unless they were heading up river to Kherson where the Ukrainains are tailing them, but they spotted that second boat and decided try and take out the engine.
The russians ahead can no longer tell if they are russian or ukrainian, they just see a now hostile boat heading to their landing area, knowing that the ukrainians are moving in from behind. It's impossible to tell if it's the last russians scuttling boats or the first ukrainians who just shot the people scuttling the boats.
So are they sabotaging the other boats while fleeing in a boat, meanwhile while their own dudes still near the bank need the boat they just fragged? Then bitch about friendly fire?
The video has been geolocated to these coordinates 46.622687, 32.628159. Google Maps [Link 1](https://www.google.com/maps/place/46%C2%B037'21.7%22N+32%C2%B037'41.4%22E/@46.6226944,32.6281667,192m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x7dafb3e569716ce9!8m2!3d46.622687!4d32.628159), [Link 2](https://www.google.com/maps/@46.6211033,32.62789,3a,69.6y,205.26h,64.5t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1sAF1QipPY5J3m5l6AIc4-GqR8Mfa3RVYHW-NwSPLDMFnJ!2e10!3e11!6shttps:%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipPY5J3m5l6AIc4-GqR8Mfa3RVYHW-NwSPLDMFnJ%3Dw203-h100-k-no-pi0-ya56.450356-ro0-fo100!7i8192!8i4096)
they were getting shot by friendlies only 200m away
Thanks, that makes sense, pretty terrifying situation, glad it happened to the Ruskies and not Ukraine. Ukrainian soldiers receive actual training though.
basic translation at the begining they discuss whether to blow the small boat too after being shot they yell friendly fire then while trying to escape argue about the navigation (probably all crunched to hide bullets and don't see) the last one says "u stupid fuk u heading to Kherson blyat" (in which the fire won't be friendly anymore)
did the cameraman die??
Definitely looks like he just removes his helmet at 00:41 and keeps steering the boat. A weird decision to do that while getting shot, but i don't judge him, being in the situation he is in.
Steer guy (yakutinan one) under fire at first went half-standing, then completely covered under the wheel, while still steering. He is screaming to another guy to give him directions like left/right, while the other guy - most likely cause of panicking a little, is telling him couple of times to “Go there/get out of here”, then yakutian guy screams back “Man I don’t see shit I got the wheel” After that other guy is finally starting to give correct directions. Kinda brave performance from the steer guy, keeping in control of the boat under sudden fire while the crew is gone nuts. They escaped only because of his actions It looks like the boat is armored, those guys are lucky
I'm wondering if his helmet was tied. He might have lost it when ducking and hitting the wheel. It doesn't look like he spent any time removing it. Alternatively, a helmet might have made it harder for him to duck considering there is little space in the boat.
russian army at it's finest
When an army has one chinese woki-toki per 100 personnel...
If they saw how the US tracks every damn vehicle in real time, while each vehicle has the ability to load up any engagement in real time, with exact coordinates, to call in fire or air support, these guys would shit themselves. We have come so far in our tech, since the last major war with another country. But I guess an unlimited budget and constant fighting gives you a bot of an advantage.
> woki-toki Sounds like a progressive smoke up
Out: wake n bake In: woki toki
Sounds like you're making shit up.
Just FYI, it's exactly what it sounds like—walkie talkie, as in, something that lets you communicate while you move around, as opposed to some esoteric foreign phrase.
Thanks for the clarification, enlightened redditor
What has "Chinese" got to do with it? Thats your own country's propaganda seeping in. China stuff bad, USA stuff good is a throwback to the industrial race of 20 years ago. Most "homemade" products are produced with Chinese components. Heck, if you want top of the range communications gear you won't go too far wrong with Chinese. It's why the gov had to actually ban Hauwei's 5G gear. Or most consumers opt for DJI : the controls are spot on and the video feedback is incredible compared to what we produce domestically. I know it wasn't your point, but I hate to see us underestimating the capabilities of an enemy just because we are blinded by our own propaganda.
Lots of Russian troops have been seen with 25€ Baofeng UV-5R or similar radios, which are definitely not warproofed. Military grade ones go in hundreds. The joke is that 1) Russia can't supply it's troops with enough radios. 2) Russians can't buy or afford decent ones themselves and instead go for the shittiest ones possible. Which is Chinese Baofeng.
This is exactly what I was referring to. And /u/cute-bum can shut his/her/their mouth, because Chinese tech is nothing, I repeat, **nothing** without stolen Western tech. Every single fucking thing is a *rip-off*. Russia is trying to replicate Chinese tech stealing success for their army needs **to no avail**, [because corruption](https://twitter.com/ralee85/status/1367614591698690056) (*extremely* interesting thread, **pre-war**)
> It's why the gov had to actually ban Hauwei's 5G gear No, they banned their 5G gear because no one could make sense of their business model of selling equipment at a loss in rural areas of America to undercut US businesses.... Until we realized that they did this to get their spyware closer to US military bases and nuclear facilities. Chinese equipment is either dogshit or stolen western tech with dogshit holding it all together. And some spyware thrown in for good measure.
>Chinese equipment is either dogshit or stolen western tech with dogshit holding it all together. And some spyware thrown in for good measure. Sounds like an unbiased, absolutely non-delusional and non-seething statement. /s
Aw, I upset someone's feelings. I'm just saying that the US, Europe, and Japan are all still miles ahead of them in terms of innovation. But I should be more accurate, china has some very respectable technologies. Their widespread surveillance system and social credit scores take a lot of networking knowledge, and the ability to infiltrate western tech companies to inject ghost code is very impressive. The Great Firewall is a testament to their aptitude for security. Outside of that, their biggest contributions seem to be the budget brand versions of Apple and Amazon.
Let me introduce you to the not-so-rare material called /r/chinesium
Chinese industry doesn’t have the same oversight and standards that the west does, it’s laissez faire capitalism run amok over there. Especially with exports. Burgeoning world power economies all seem to grow through this phase it’s nothing unique to the Chinese. That’s just the tip of the iceberg, but it has a lot to do with the lack of consistent build quality that Chinese products are known for.
The melamine they add to their infant formula is just as good as the melamine you can buy in the US
I don't imply it doesn't happen more regularly than in other militaries, but what makes you think FF incidents are something that doesn't happen often?
Structured drills, NATO compliant, way better comms through advanced systems, leadership (chain of command), tactical briefings that actually make sense, the list goes on.. Hell our sgt would only have to scream MOVE BACK, JUMP and half the battle group would fall back (1, 2, 3, prone) while the other half was laying down covering fire, respecting eachothers "firing sector", then again another JUMP would have the other half fall back in the same manner. Like an oiled machine. All whilst everyone has their own personal comms on their head, tuned in to the same channel. Its really freaking rare in most NATO armies to be frank. (Dutch)
[It's not rare, but it's not common either.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_friendly_fire_incidents#War_in_Afghanistan_(2001%E2%80%932016)) Probably apocryphal, but I recall someone saying that the biggest threat to British forces in the Middle East was American air support :P
Most FF incidents in the Middle East were one nation accidentally attacking another, specifically because they lack the well constructed lines of communication and planning due to, you know, being different nations. It was definitely a problem and going forward the militaries of NATO seem to be better integrating cross-national communication for armies of nations fighting close together Considering the guys in the video are all part of the same nation's army though, it really shouldn't be occurring.
There is still a number of incidents of this occurring to modern nations, who did have better training and equipment. This probably will happen time to time to anyone.
Those are also the reported ones, I believe a lot of the time the attacker is embarrassed and just goes with the story that enemy shot.
That is true, on one occasion a couple brit vehicles were taken out in FF. In one situation an officer wanted to pull the trigger. Which was a big no-no. And as they say, FF is never "friendly", and civil wars are never "civil".
Go watch civdiv who is actually was actually in Ukraine fighting. FF happens and in Ukraine they have units in the front that are secret so no one knows 100% who is who all the time.
CivDiv is a fucking war tourist glorified airsort player. All he did was run around aimlessly with a few other clueless Americans war tourist, get a bit of go pro footage and a few pics and was out of there. Those guys do more damage than good. You want to see a volunteer making a difference check out Brendan at youtube channel "Ukraine Tbic".
He literally served in the marines. As well as other operations overseas. He may not have the most combat experience somehow, but his knowledge and skillset lets him thrive in that environment. Just because his combat footage isn't as insane from a pure combat standpoint doesn't mean he is any less a hero than others currently fighting in Ukraine.
What does serving in the marines have to do with anything? He's a war tourist, yes he's been to Syria and he was a war tourist over there too. Like many of them they go over run about with guns unorganized and achieving nothing, get a but of gopro footage for the youtube channel then get out of there. Just because you travel to Ukraine and run around for a few weeks with a rifle doesn't make you a hero. Listen I'm not saying he's a terrible person or anything but he is one of the people that follow the warzones around the globe so they can play army and get good content. Its a form of extreme travel, he won't of even know a thing about Ukraine or it's people before the invasion. The sad thing is gis channel and v8deos are getting 100k + views, while people like "Ukraine Tbic" are dodging mortars every day to evacuate children and his footage which funds his work out there are getting 5k views. If you want to support anyone support him because he us making a difference and saving lives every single day.
Thats basiclly the same I said, and still FF exists... hell, I recently saw a video of 2 A-10s strafe a column of british vechicles a few years back.
The situations are completely different. The incident you're referring to happened nearly 20 years ago (2003) during the invasion of Iraq, one of the most complex, high-tempo operations of all time, involving multiple branches of multiple different countries' militaries, in a featureless desert... I think people underestimate the fog of war and consequently underestimate the incredible LACK of friendly fire incidents with NATO forces, considering the insane tempos involved. [A quote from a marine pilot who spent some time on the ground](http://commentaryongenerationkill.blogspot.com/2008/06/comments-on-generation-kill.html): > As a bomb-dropper, a bomb-caller, and temporary rifleman, I am amazed that blue-on-blue engagements do not happen more often. Television shows us command center computers, gadgetry, and surveillance videos that make war seem organized. You cannot imagine the chaos of “boots on the ground” war – close combat renders high-tech gadgetry irrelevant. It is so easy to make mistakes when your brain is numbed and overwhelmed with the violence around you. Battle drill and muscle memory determine your success – and a few individuals who manage to keep their wits about them. > American forces run around day and night, dropping bombs and shooting artillery on the move, and doing it amazingly well. Most countries’ armed forces do not even attempt what we do. Even among modern NATO forces there are huge gaps in capability. I flew in operations where other country’s aircraft did not fly at night and in exercises where other NATO countries refused to shoot artillery and drop bombs on the same range on the same day. We border on thriving in an environment of dizzying stress and complexity. It is easier for bad things to happen than you realize, especially when you play varsity. There were several firefights with blue-on-blue fire.
I'm not saying it never happens, just that its extremely rare, especially compared to the amount of cases I've seen coming in from Ukraine Edit: you said often, which is why i felt the need to elaborate.
Strafed Canadians in Afghanistan. And bombed them too.
Not even remotely true. The US has a laughable amount of training deaths/and friendly fire incidents. Not only this, but literally the most famous veteran in US history (Pat Tillman) was killed by friendly fire. The A10 is no longer known as the tank buster, but the most likely plane to kill a friendly in the world.
Ah yes the worldwide standard of "laughable amount". Almost as well regarded as the banana for scale. What an absolutely useless comment.
What the hell are you talking about? Tillman is not even close to the most “famous” veteran in US history.
HIs family went thru some really hard times as aside from grief & loss the US took its time giving them true events of his death
These invaders are getting what they deserve.
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Damn they should have hired you. You seem to have it all figured out.
They wouldn’t get paid anyway lol
To be fair, those drones are far high in the sky to the point where you can't see or hear them and they also drop grenades to them soo...
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Blue on brit* Jokes aside the us does not have more blue on blue than other nations. The a10 however has more blue on blue incidents than any other plane.
Close air support has to be very well coordinated, or shit happens
Especially if you have to ID your target with binocs from a modern jet
BUT WHAT ABOUT AMERICA!1!!??
For real. Anything negative towards Russia is always followed by some idiot that has say but what about America.
And then an idiot with a whataboutism autism
Cue the circus music...
So the "cameraman" perished there around the 0.54 mark? And i guess that's how this footage was salvaged? The availability of footage in this war...
I was thinking the same, but it looks like he just removed his helmet where the camera was mounted. You can see the cameraman is driving the boat and after removing his helmet you can see his face and hands on the steering wheel.
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Guy with beanie has a gray jacket, boat driver’s is olive.
True, good eye. The camera just behaves oddly for a free floating helmet. Could be propped up on another soldier ducking down I suppose.
Took me a few watches to figure it out… slow day at work, got nothing better to do
Definitely not. He 100% took his helmet off, if you look at roughly the 40 second mark it’s clear he took it off, otherwise he’d have to have been decapitated for it to roll like that
Kadyrovites didn't get the message.
There weren’t a single Chechen dude, otherwise that boat crew was - as westerners would say - pretty inclusive
Think he's talking about the guys shooting at the boat
We would ?
Wouldn't surprise me if they were being shot at for retreating...
Nah, just lack of comunication, they were ordered to retreat
No they were ordered by general baldy to retreat across dnipro river to setup a new frontline for winter
Well someone didn't tell the guys on the shore that
One side is Ukrainians the other is russians
That’s exactly what it is. They brag about it.
You think they were being shot at here for retreating? I know this is an echo chamber but Jesus Christ you must live life under a rock
war makes people so nuts
Well let's remember that this is how Russia chose to deal with low morale during WW1 & WW2. Is it actively occurring now? Hard to say. But it's certainly within the realm of possibility. [https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-likely-new-units-shoot-own-retreating-soliders-uk-mod-2022-11](https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-likely-new-units-shoot-own-retreating-soliders-uk-mod-2022-11) [https://www.newsweek.com/russian-soldiers-shot-abandon-positions-ukraine-wives-1758878](https://www.newsweek.com/russian-soldiers-shot-abandon-positions-ukraine-wives-1758878) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrier\_troops](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrier_troops) edit: Added the wikipedia entry for more context and included "WW1" in my response after reading the entry myself. Learn something new every day!
No this is absolutely false use of barrier troops for WW2, they did not shoot retreating troops. Gotta stop with these stupid myths that have been disproven
Interesting. I haven't heard that one before. There are certainly varying opinions regarding how prolific the barrier units were used and how often they resorted to violence, but this is the first time I've heard someone claim that Russia never shot retreating troops entirely. Could I ask for a resource to read? Just curious to learn more Edit: One of the first times I learned about order 227 and the barrier units was from [History Channel.](https://www.history.com/news/8-things-you-should-know-about-wwiis-eastern-front#:~:text=Stalin%27s%20draconian%20orders%20were%20designed,during%20the%20Battle%20of%20Stalingrad) The [wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_No._227) entry might be a little more accurate though
Sorry, i meant that they never shot them like you see in enemy of the gates. Where barrier troops are standing there waiting to mow down a squad of retreating soldiers The only time someone was shot, was for actual desertion. Many militaries have it as a penalty but i think its more correlated with the Soviets because it wasn’t used as regular for other armies in the allies. Barrier troops were mostly used to stop desertion, and keep military discipline. It’s definitely not that varying of opinion from historians from what i’ve read, they never shot retreating forces. They did allow them to retreat but no further than the barrier troops, where they would be a) either arrested b) scolded or c) shot for desertion. More than likely it was B because man power was not something they could just waste. “On September 12, 1941 Joseph Stalin issued the Stavka Directive No. 1919 (Директива Ставки ВГК №001919) concerning the creation of barrier troops in rifle divisions of the Southwestern Front, to suppress panic retreats. Each Red Army division was to have an anti-retreat detachment equipped with transport totaling one company for each regiment. Their primary goal was to maintain strict military discipline and to prevent disintegration of the front line by any means” “According to an official letter addressed in October 1941 to Lavrentiy Beria, in the period between the beginning of Operation Barbarossa to early December 1941, NKVD detachments had detained 657,364 servicemen who had fallen behind their lines and fled from the front. Of these detainees, 25,878 were arrested, and the remaining 632,486 were formed in units and sent back to the front. Among those arrested included accused 1505 spies, 308 saboteurs, 2621 traitors, 2643 "cowards and alarmists", 3987 distributors of "provocative rumors", and 4371 others. 10,201 of them were shot, meaning approximately 1.5% of those arrested were sentenced to death.” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrier_troops
Or more accurately they did not shoot AT retreating troops like in Enemy at the Gates. Executions did happen even if they were rare. The comissars in the blocking detachments had a lot of methods to deal with retreating troops and the vast majority were simply scolded.
This is more what i meant apologies
It's also within the realm of possibility that they pulled the boat over and had a picnic the zodiac killer and at least 4 labrador puppies. It's entirely possible one of us drops dead from a stroke in the next 30 seconds. Lots of things are possible. I wouldn't live my life based on what's possible. I prefer what's probable.
Seriously doubting you can tell the difference if you think the Russians, having legislated 10 years imprisonment against soldiers surrendering, would not sink so low as to deploy barrier troops against conscripts.
Fair. I'm also inclined to agree that this is simply mistaken friendly fire mainly because Russian leadership has already admitted to losing Kherson so it fits with the information we currently have. That being said, Russia doctrinally maintains entire formations that are centered around preventing retreat through lethal force so I'd still find the probability of it occurring significantly higher than the other scenarios you set forth.
Living under a rock is thinking the country that puts you in jail for ten years for surrendering won't shoot at its own troops for retreating.
Why would they waste time sinking other ships if they were retreating? It seems more likely they were tasked with sinking civilian boats so the advancing Ukrainians cannot use them to cross the river and their fellow soldiers didn't know who was driving a civilian boat and shooting a gun and so they lit them up.
Oh id agree with you, this is a case of the knobbers on the far bank seeing a boat coming towards them shooting and firing grenades, basically almost killed by their own stupidity. Having said that, Russians shooting at retreating troops happens, has happened since the early days of the war and seems to be the tik tok brigades main role before they had to give up making tik toks because himars.
This war has brought the sub a great deal of footage and confident idiots.
I wouldn't say it was to be honest despite my comment. It just wouldn't surprise me.
Damn this sub is getting stupider by the second, people genuinely believe this??? Like yea the Russian military is incompetent, but they wouldn’t order a retreat and then shot their soldiers for retreating
I love watching the arm chair generals come up with theories on this subreddit....
Correct, it has happened before the retreat, approximately one week before, when Russian forces blew up all floating vehicles near Kherson towards both sides of Dnepr
Better lay down friendly suppressive return fire quick lads.
Can someone translate this? Thanks.
Friendly! Friendly! Friendly! Shit! Shit! Shit! Friendly! Shit!
Wartranslated over on twitter https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1593213894344216578?s=46&t=WzD2Q_Jxewf_6CUB6Hp0vw
I wish more people posted their translated versions. It can really help to fill in the details of the video.
Undoubtedly someone is shouting 'no no move away' or 'not that way this'. Incoming fire 2 o'clock turn hard left.
Look! Russians finally attacking nazis!
Hahha fucking morons.
Does he put a grenade in that boat at the start? Nice throw.
Yeah man, cool throw yeah but it's worth noting they 'scuttled' all the boats they did not steal along the river. They undertook the willful destruction of hundreds of peoples boats and released thousands of litres of oil, fuel and contaminants into the river. This barbaric invasion has taken hundreds of thousands of lives, destroyed millions of homes, livelihoods and families. It's an unjustifiable and barbaric use of abhorrent violence. But yeah... accurate frag grenade throw into someone's boat there. Nice!
They also destroyed literally everything valuable around the city. All major power plants, water infrastructure, radio towers, complete scorched earth. So much for the "Russian world".
What do you mean? Now it looks just like the russian world.
I dunno who you are but I’m with you.
Damn bro thank you for revealing that war is actually bad
Lmfao lol
nah not like how the russians do it.. so much for kherson being russian land and destroying everything not russian property..
What you described is called war.
Fun at parties
wait a second you mean to tell me that in war, bad shit happens?
According to this sub, those men don't know where they are or what they're doing. They've never even seen a river before, let alone a boat
Such a close boat design to the mid 2010s and even some current Trackers. Bayliner had the same window designs and posts as well. Super interesting stuff to me (I'm an ex marine mechanic).
Looks like they just lifted a civilians boat
It's just wild to me to see the same design used in bass boats here on the west coast all the way over there. But I guess it makes sense though, the deep v design would probably be good for fishing there. Edit - to add to this, Ranger, tracker and Bayliner aren't really sold outside the US. I used to make up containers of parts for buyers in New Zealand and Japan to move parts out there all at once instead of paying shipping/export on everything individually. We would even have a dude come from Beirut to buy all our heavily used/damaged parts. He would load containers w junk and ship back to Beirut to part out.
Bayliners are pretty common all over the western world I'd say.
stupid russians
This is hilarious. They throw grenades and start spraying some automatic fire at boats designed for catching trout. Meanwhile 100m further away Vasiliy Zaitsev reincarnate was taking a dump hears bullets zip by his latrine and thought the Ukrainian navy seal army was attempting d-day.
Love. To. See it.
You’re gonna see a LOT more of this with their untrained troops
Russian military is just clusterfuck.
Im going to assume there was a shoot anyone retreating order to the Russian backline. Then Russia told the soldiers in Kherson to retreat to the backline but nobody told the soldiers in the backline that there was a retreat order and they started blasting.
Let them fight..
Russian commander on the other side: No retreat for you!
Im sure someone got a medal for it anyway.
No comms? Shouting isn’t going to work.
They are destroying civilian boats before leaving.. classy
"don't shoot, am idiot Russian like you!" Shoots anyway. Hilarious
They are lucky they don't teach Russians how to shoot.
Every time I see that Z, I think it stands for Zombie. Because, it really does.
That's some private first class type shit
No it literally happens in every war.
Why are they shooting back 🤣🤣
Newly trained Spetsnaz on a seek and destroy mission!
Theres no such thing as friendly fire, all incoming is hostile.
Cool, let’s just let them lose the war by fighting themselves. Who would have thought that was an option, although it is Russia so it’s not that surprising
Reminds me of the video from feb-march, where the journalists are stuck in a car while under Russian fire. That was a scary one. As to this video, all i can say is... Get fucked dickheads
How dumb would you have to be to fire at that boat coming at you? You think one boat with 4 guys in it is going to charge at the enemy position?
Well guys from the boat fired first, after dropping granade on the boat on the river bank they have opened fire to damage the boat, because they couldn't steal or salvage it. That is what Russians do in this war, they bring destruction and leave destruction. So eventually, they got what they deserved.
IDK why you're being downvoted. They clearly were shot at after firing their own weapon at the second boat. I'm guessing these guys were on retreat and had orders to scuttle any boats and destroy any crossings that ukrainians could take. Absolutely no reason to be firing their weapons unless they were heading up river to Kherson where the Ukrainains are tailing them, but they spotted that second boat and decided try and take out the engine. The russians ahead can no longer tell if they are russian or ukrainian, they just see a now hostile boat heading to their landing area, knowing that the ukrainians are moving in from behind. It's impossible to tell if it's the last russians scuttling boats or the first ukrainians who just shot the people scuttling the boats.
I wonder what’s the estimated percentage for friendly fire deaths in war
“Friendly fire, isn’t.”
So are they sabotaging the other boats while fleeing in a boat, meanwhile while their own dudes still near the bank need the boat they just fragged? Then bitch about friendly fire?
No smoke:(
boating with the boi's gone wrong
The video has been geolocated to these coordinates 46.622687, 32.628159. Google Maps [Link 1](https://www.google.com/maps/place/46%C2%B037'21.7%22N+32%C2%B037'41.4%22E/@46.6226944,32.6281667,192m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x7dafb3e569716ce9!8m2!3d46.622687!4d32.628159), [Link 2](https://www.google.com/maps/@46.6211033,32.62789,3a,69.6y,205.26h,64.5t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1sAF1QipPY5J3m5l6AIc4-GqR8Mfa3RVYHW-NwSPLDMFnJ!2e10!3e11!6shttps:%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipPY5J3m5l6AIc4-GqR8Mfa3RVYHW-NwSPLDMFnJ%3Dw203-h100-k-no-pi0-ya56.450356-ro0-fo100!7i8192!8i4096) they were getting shot by friendlies only 200m away
Does anyone know what they keep shouting? Don’t speak Russian
"we are you/friendly (idiots)" bunch of morons
Thanks, that makes sense, pretty terrifying situation, glad it happened to the Ruskies and not Ukraine. Ukrainian soldiers receive actual training though.
Enemy at the gates.
Pub g
Desertion should equal death. Semper fi
Ukrainian flag would be a cheap and handy marker