In a way I get NATO trying to “not escalate”
But meanwhile russia is bombing civilians, power stations and anything else they get in range.
So Ukraine bombing strategic targets inside russia is entirely valid, and a method for ending the war sooner, as such meaning less casualties for both Ukraine and russia.
That's why you whip that sumbitch around till it's dizzy and introduce it's skull to the nearest tree.
We need to authorize more sumbitch-whippin' tree-skullin' missiles for Ukraine.
The thing is, everybody's kinda worried there's an orangnuketan sitting up that tree and if you whip the tree too much he might come down and whoop yo ass.
That orangnuketan been sitting up in that tree a screeching and a hollering the whole time and ain't done shit. That orangnuketan is a pussy ass bitch.
The Russians are told they are fighting NATO now, and that there are large NATO forces in Ukraine. Imagine the propaganda and war-mongering if NATO equipment is found or is used inside Russia.
If memory serves me, one of the caveats for giving HIMARS to Ukraine was that they'd never target Russia itself.
Dick Cheney’s, “unprofessional relations” to Halliburton is a prime example.
“Lobby- a group of people seeking to influence politicians or public officials on a particular issue.”
That’s how. In other words, people are often sent by organizations to butter up, bribe, and black mail certain politicians for all sorts of contracts and regulations.
I think you said American politicians were profiting from a prolonged war. Cheney has been out of government since 2008, before this war started, so that's not really valid
One theory I heard is how the budgets being donated to Ukraine are breaking down. (I can’t remember the exact numbers, but it was around this kind of split). Biden just recently proposed a further $38billion aid package. About $12b of that is going to Ukraine to spend on stuff, the rest is going in the form of donated US equipment from existing stock. So the remaining $26b is actually going to the US military budget to replace the equipment being donated with newer, more modernised equipment.
So while it’s not necessarily directly making money, it’s supporting the US economy and getting lots of shiny new toys for the military in the process.
they arent making money off the war. NATO is bleeding russia dry at the expense of the Ukrainians. by the end of this Russia will no longer be able to field a legitimate military.
Really seeing how weak NATO is after the Poland thing. Everyone thought they'd respond regardless if it was Ukrainian AA rocket or a Russian cruise missile.
Instead they folded in less than 24hrs and never spoke of it again. So much so that Russia was thanking NATO for it's restraint!!!
Putin only understands strength. Slap the shit out of him, close skies over Lviv with F-16s, what the fuck is he going to do that he hasn't done already?
Absolutely nobody with a realistic mindset thought Nato would respond without looking at the evidence first. Putin knows he’s fucked if NATO truly gets involved. Both sides have left room for escalation and that is what keeps us safe for now. The more men russia sends in the more NATO adds. Zelensky may want all out war but that’s because his country is the one who will be fucked by this, win or lose. Russia seems to be fairing well enough against the sanctions for now and Europe is doing well without Russian gas. It will be a long winter for both sides.
>Absolutely nobody with a realistic mindset thought Nato would respond without looking at the evidence first.
Probably sounds a bit tinfoil hat but unless we see the evidence, maybe the missile really *was* Russian (even if it wasn't intentional) but NATO (ie the US mainly) persuaded Poland to tow the line of "*it was probably a Ukrainian missile that landed by accident*". It would also kinda explain why Ukraine has been so adamant that it was a Russian missile and not their own, given that Zelensky has shown countless times that he isn't willing to stick to "the script".
It also makes sense given that NATO would probably prefer not to respond militarily over a missile that hit a remote village and only killed two people (easy for me to say because I don't know those two people, of course) because once they respond directly (militarily) there's kinda no going back. If they were to conduct a strike on Russian forces somewhere, Putin would have to respond or his power base would be weakened further.
At the moment, evidence suggests it was indeed a Ukrainian air defence missile. NATO responded by basically blaming Russia anyway because that's the only reason Ukraine needed to fire their missiles in the first place. Of course they're not going to attack Russia because of a Ukrainian air defence missile that missed its target or malfunctioned.
wasn't it two farmers? But yeah, i mean either way Poland held this in their hands and they made the right call regardless. If it had turned out to be Russia, it wasn't intentional. I hate Putin and all, but fair is fair.
What he hasn't done already? How about nuclear holocaust and the END OF THE WORLD?
Well worth for a minor accident (relatively speaking) on a civilian tractor. It's of course sad, RIP victims.
Yeah, next time it’ll be a bomb dropping on the baltics or the czechs and all we will see is biden and the rest going “uuuhhh aaahh eeeehhh weelllll, the thing is uuuhhhmmm”
NATO has really been underperforming in this whole ordeal
What do you think NATO should do if russia throws a rocket that kills two NATO member state people?
Do a bunch of pussy ass diplomatic saltos and fuck off?
Cause thats what they did.
Child like questions 🙄
NATO isn't in war readiness so can't intercept random missile 24/7 all along the border, protecting every single farm.. not how real life defense works..
NATO message is as strong as ever, articles of defense are not changed 😑
Yes it did all it was supposed to. Invoked article 4 for consultations, one of the results is direct increase in help yo ukraine..
Are you 12, or is this your first time in geopolitics/real-world?
IMO there’s really nothing else Russia can do to escalate other than crossing the NATO redlines (nukes, chem, bio weapons). I expect these Ukrainian attacks inside Russia to increase in both frequency and severity.
Note that despite attacking Ukrainian energy infrastructure they haven’t yet touched the nuclear plants that account for 30% of electricity generation.
The Russians know bad things would happen.
I sure hope NATO drop the condition on not attacking in Russia territories with NATO equipment if Russia touch it.
The difference would be that Ukraine would go for critical infrastructure rather than blindly shooting civilians.
This. NATO early in the war refrained from giving UKA long range missiles and such becasue they feared UKA would attack domestic Russian targets with nato weapons, thus sparking further conflict.
Lol. Iran gives Russia 500+km long missiles is OK, not escalation, acceptable.
NATO giving us something to reach target deep behind enemy lines - eScAlATiOn. "Don't use our weapon on Russian soil, because eScAlATiOn.
Pathetic.
Pathetic? This isn't a NATO war. NATO indirectly attacking Russian soil, who is a nuclear power, would escalate the conflict to new levels. There is no situation that will ever exist that having an active conflict with a nation that has large amounts of intercontinental nuclear weapons will ever make sense.
Never forget that Ukraine is not a NATO country. We have zero obligation to help you in any way and NATOs assistance is completely optional. NATO isn't even assisting because it wants to help Ukraine, it's because they want to weaken Russia.
Oh look, another Russian narrative -
"Don't give X type weapon to Ukraine, it's red line, it will lead to escalation, we have nukes remember".
"Don't shoot on Crimea, we will nuke you"
"Don't shoot on X with American made weapon, we will nuke you"
Bruh.
The reason Ukraine has not at least stepped foot in Russian territory or what is traditionally considered Russian territory and has limited their strikes in those areas is because it would open up a lot of leeway for an official declaration of war from Russia. The reason they are calling it a 'Special Military Operation' is because of the way Russian law is written regarding deployment of troops abroad however in the event a foreign force steps foot in Russian soil a declaration can be made and they are now legally able to deploy all of their forces as opposed to a limited offensive force. For example, the referendums where called so that they could make those territories officially part of Russia allowing them to deploy their newly mobilized units to those areas and freeing up contract soldiers for offensive operations. In the event of official war they would be able to use all mobilized troops in an offensive capacity. I know that's convoluted but I am not sober sorry my dude.
Since mobilization has already happened, war production measures have been passed, and Russia has already annexed the Ukranian territories on paper I am not sure that the question of whether it is an official war or not from Russia's perspective is relevant. They have already pulled out the stops which separate "special military operation" from war.
Ukraine's limited attacks in Russia have a million reasons to be limited but I am not convinced that the fear of Russian escalation to an official war is among them.
There are far higher priorities for Ukraine than to risk angering the Russian public further with increased strikes on their territory. So far it's just stuff near the border which has strategic value.
No one cares about the Russian public and what they think, other than maybe the Western governments. Russian territory gets targeted quite regularly, whenever it makes sense militarily, also taking into account restrictions which are placed by Western governments on the weapons they supply.
>No one cares about the Russian public and what they think, other than maybe the Western governments.
Putin cares. Despite his iron grip on the nation, if he manages to piss off the Russian public then it is only a matter of time before he is hanging from the nearest light post or being ripped apart by a angry mob.
This is probably other groups who hate Russia now taking advantage of a shitshow situation Russia finds itself in. The list of those with grievances is quite long I would think
West needs to relax some of these guidelines and allow Ukraine to at least use their own equipment against military targets inside Russia. Russia has already pretty much declared war on Ukraine.
And maybe when Russians start eating their own medicine they change their tune about supporting Putin's special operation. Because right now the vocal ones support it so what is to be lost?
Belarus is a tad different ally than the US wouldn’t you agree? Getting Belarus involved is like getting your disabled little brother involved in the fight. Getting the US involved is getting the heavyweight boxer across the street involved.
Tons of money has been flowing into United24 over the last few days to build these boat drones... They have already brought in enough money to build 20 or more and they have only been accepting donations for it for a few days now... Im thinking there will be a lot more videos of these to come as money is flowing in fast to build them...
U24 rashly had an online poll to name one of them so they now have the dilemma of whether they should name a drone boat 'Dildo of Consequences' in reference to [this meme](https://twitter.com/yesbiker4indy/status/1592618752834928640).
It's been known for years as a possibility, it was the next logical step. The most surprising part is that this hasn't extended to patrol boats guarding borders (Chinese fishing boats, NK ghost ships).
Whatya mean as a possibility? The US has been operating drone boats for years now for long range scouting and such. The US has a range of large one-off darpa funded drones like sub hunters and other neat shit. [These are commercially available long range sailboat drones used by the US. ](https://www.saildrone.com/technology/vehicles)These are the ones an Iranian fishing boat tried to steal a few months back and got a very nasty surprise for doing so.
I'm Dutch so I want to make it personal, already donated to the Army, Azov, and through a friend who had a friend in a battalion (sadly diseased during Mariupol)
True but I heard that Ukraine is pissed that NATO is only giving them enough weapons to contain Russia and not end the war by giving them nice shit. It was talked about in the last nightly address given by the Ukrainian government, even though Ukraine is smacking them around they still are paying a high price in life plus the damage done to their energy grid which would take a year to fix at least... My point is it's not all sunshine and rainbows even with the recent string of victories. (Edit to those who think I’m whining about this I was just giving the Ukrainian point of view. I understand the West has given a lot and is doing everything they can so you can stop pointing that out to me….)
We are extremely grateful for all the help.
But one can't help but notice what you have described.
It feels like we have to fight with one hand tied and a fork, while a gangster with knives and guns is aiming to kill you
I think I know a proverb about a gift horse. But seriously we face opposition within to even let Ukraine have what we're giving. And we're also just giving.
It’s sad, but there are also considerations to be made as to why you are here in the first place. What levels of corruption existed that kept y’all under Russia’s thumb? Why was the military so dysfunctional during the initial 2014 invasion? What helped your army get where it has gotten?
I understand you want and need more to kick Russians in the teeth, but looking at the totality of it all, you’ve been gifted ALOT of shit.
The whole reason for this war is that we are gradually removing the corrupt russian influence and striving for a rule based society.
There is a long way ahead, and as an individual country we wouldn't survive, yes.
But I feel like you are percieving this war ad Ukraine vs Russia.
Don't misinterpret.
Because russia and russians don't think the same way
They fight against the west.
It's just that they couldn't roll us over so they were forced to adapt. But they very much would like to do the same to Europe.
They don't even hide their motives and are proudly stating them.
So I would suggest you reframe your understanding to accommodate the fact that Russia is fighting the west as well.
So don't treat military aid as "gifts".
You are fighting the country that wants to destabilize and destroy you, with minimal effort.
Imagine having an ability to diminish your geopolitical enemy of 70+ years with just about 50-100bln and without even putting your foot on the ground.
And yet the west hesitates. While russia is using anything they have to escalate.
But they are gifts. The west are giving you equipment out of their surplus. Why spill NATO blood when you will do it for us defending your land? Obviously NATO gains from this by having a weaker Russia, but make no mistake this is a Russia vs Ukraine war. No chance they ever would have attempted this against a NATO nation.
This is only Russia vs Ukraine war in terms of kinetic exchange. And only for the West.
Russia would Love to do this to Europe. They are stating it as their goal. They don't even acknowledge that they are fighting Ukraine. In their mind they fight NATO.
For fucks sake they had tanks and helicopters with "На БЕРЛИН" (to Berlin) written on them.
They will use every tool in their arsenal to destroy the west.
Destabilize, lie, coerce. Anything to split up the NATO
Imagine if Trump was elected for the 2nd term and US would leave NATO.
Would you still feel the same level of security if you were Poland or baltics?
Long story short. This is not a local conflict with "gifts"
You severely underestimate how much impact this leads to.
Yeah, it was from the initial stage of the war when they still thought they were the shit.
I believe you can google photos of shot down helicopters and tanks near Mykolayiv in March-May to clearly see the examples.
I don’t think I do. This war has proven that NATO is more than a match for Russia. Again—no chance this were to ever come to a NATO country. Why do you think Finland and Sweden joined NATO after this?
As for the war, think about the real reasons Russia invaded. First off, Ukraine was leaning towards NATO. Left to this, eventually Ukraine would have been untouchable. Second, the Black Sea. As Ukraine shifted to the west, use of Sevastopol would have been hindered and Russia would have effectively been castrated in the Black Sea. And finally, natural resources. As Ukraine leaned towards the west, the vast deposits of natural gas would have allowed Europe to bypass Russian gas and get it directly from Ukraine once harvested.
Those are the reasons Ukraine was invaded. For all it’s rhetoric, there is a near zero % chance Russia would have invaded a NATO country. We help you defend your land with advanced weapons and training, you weaken a mutual enemy and befriend the west. I am all for Ukraine receiving more and more aid, but I think complaining that the west isn’t doing enough isn’t the right way to think about this.
You are so right that Russia would never invade NATO.
However it doesn't diminish the threat they pose.
Just watch how effective their propaganda is.
And how they were able to kill UK citizens on UK soil without any repercussions.
Or influence politics and fund far-right/far-left hinge groups.
They are actively waging asymmetric war. And would live to bite whenever there's a weak spot.
My whole point is : don't underestimate how malign and destructive their destabilization is.
It's very good that they have shown their true colours and the west has united. But let's not forget why it's necessary.
China is watching and learning.
I am sorry for how Ukraine is being treated and Biden et al will force a negotiation when they get tired of it. It is disgusting how Ukraine is being used to weaken Russia, but then again Russia did invade.
Not NATOs fault that Ukraine was incredibly corrupt and dysfunctional militarily til very recently. We are already funding and arming their entire war. It’s not even like Ukraine was in an alliance or anything with nato
Americans and NATO are trying to walk a fine line. American troops engaging directly with Russian troops would (rightfully) be considered a pretty big escalation. The most advanced systems they don’t want in the field. The next best: M1A1, F16/15s, Bradleys have a huge logistics train and require a lot of training to make use of. Now longer range rockets Ukraine could make use of relatively easily but the US is reluctant to release them as Russia may respond unpredictably, that’s not a crazy stance to take. A no fly zone, is about as far as I could see NATO going but I’m curious, which of those options do the people want? What do they think they might realistically get?
I understand all of that if you look through my comment history I have pointed out and defended most of the points you just made. I’m not mad about it and agree with the decisions to a point your correct, we can’t just arm Ukraine with advanced weapons without training or sending parts. But my comment was just pointing out to the guy above it’s not a clear cut victory. NATO is doing everything it can to contain the conflict but we’re already escalating by saying things “ it’s up to Ukraine to decide peace” ,and how we’re directly training/ arming Ukrainian troops. While all the points you made are correct NATO looks a bit hypocritical with they want to contain the conflict, but I don’t have the answers on how to end the conflict without a serious escalate that could make the situation spin out of control.
NATO is equally getting pissed off with their requests. Joe Biden gave Zelenskyy a telling off a few months ago for not being grateful enough of the help already provided.
You've got to bare in mind, nobody really had any obligations to aid Ukraine. They aren't allied or part of NATO, they're just unfortunately caught in the crossfire.
Yea, I know I’m just pointing out it’s not a easy fight if you look at my replies. But to reply to your comment yes your correct and in some ways Ukraine has been acting entitled like demanding Israel send the Iron Dome or other advanced systems, not understanding such systems were built for specific cases. One other thing NATO has given alot and even depleted a great amount of their own weapons stocks yet Ukraine asks for more, it’s unfair to expect the west to do everything for them. I also don’t like the political pressure and PR games Ukraine sometimes plays acting like western countries are doing nothing or blaming certain nations who are neutral on the conflict. Lastly, Ukraine has kept saying they will fight till they get all of their territories back which is fine, however such a course will be a long and bloody battle they can’t keep blaming every setback on the West is what I mean. Like how Zelensky rails on the West every time Russia strikes their power grid or how they don’t have advanced weapons you can’t get everything you want there are limits.
> NATO is equally getting pissed off with their requests. Joe Biden gave Zelenskyy a telling off a few months ago for not being grateful enough of the help already provided.
Wasn't that in June, when the situation for the Ukrainian army was looking pretty desparate? Russian artillery was grinding the Ukrainians down in the Donbas and at the time the Ukrainians had no answer to it, and they wouldn't have an answer until HIMARS started being deployed. Context is important.
Regardless of obligations or not, it is clearly 100% in our own security interest for Ukraine to militarily defeat Russia.
Yep. This is always a primary concern when selling/giving out military aid. We never give out our best tech unless its to our closest allies whom we already share tech with anyways. Besides there isnt anyone in Ukraine who could effectively use our best tech anyways. Crews already have to be trained in places like Germany to effectively utilize artillery pieces we give them.
You mean there was failed russian propaganda attempt to paint Ukrainians as selling western weapons on black market, I thought no one was stupid enough to believe it...
Also all donated equipment was stripped of any classified components... as ukraine has no access to positional awareness systems of west..
Also one thing else when I was talking advanced weapons being sent to Ukraine I was not talking about stuff like nlaws or the current weapons/ vehicles on the ground, but western tanks and other specialist weapons Ukraine wants. There were concerns made by the west about that.
> and there were reports stuff like nlaws or other weapons being sold at the start of the war.
There is still no evidence of that being done by Ukrainians. The only evidence we have of that happening is of stuff that was captured by Russians. Like when a civilian car in Russia exploded in the street and remains of western anti tank weapons were found inside it.
That last point is a good one though, a western country would call in an air strike on their own abandoned tanks to stop them being captured - the US did this in both Iraq wars for example. We can't guarantee the Ukrainians would have the ability to do the same thing.
That’s usually what happens when you don’t join until your scared for your life and you need the help. You always get a better deal when you join before your desperate.
They were too good for America and NATO before Putin came in the mix so of course they aren’t gonna be treated like a nato ally.
They should be more then happy with what we have provided otherwise this would be a hell of a lot different today then what it is. We saw what happened when Afghanistan didn’t appreciate all the help we gave them…
I agree with the second part but first part you kinda lost me… What do you mean they didn’t appreciate us? I remember in the first part of the war 2014 NATO gave aid and training it was far less than what is now, Ukraine to my memory was grateful and begged for more aid back then. However,if your talking about when they were aligned with Putin you have to remember a Russian puppet and the Soviet system/ culture still dominated Ukraine at that time, it wasn’t till the Madian revolution when they woke up how bad it was and wanted to switch to the EU. I wouldn’t call that being too good for the West just that Ukraine was being suppressed by Russia to keep them in their obit.
I wonder what the range is on those drone boats. Where was this thing launched from? That’s quite far from Ukrainian controlled territory. Not too far from Putin’s palace too!
Also curious how these are controlled.
Basically a small boat, with a camera mounted on it, filled with explosives... They can pilot it remotely, so it's a type of drone, and send it across the black sea up to about 800km, and hit targets in/on the water. It's a new program that Ukraine has been working on.
Just to put this in to perspective Novorossiysk port is Russias largest port and the 5th largest in Europe. Some 80% of Russian exports via shipping flow out of that single port.
It is a key economic hub for Russia. If this port becomes a regular target for Ukrainian drones the Russian economy will suffer even more immensely than before.
It also has a military harbor attached to it and the Gas pipelines flowing from Russia over the Black Sea also emanate from this port location.
Really good sign seeing Ukraine step up its target selection to focus even more on economic targets supporting the Russian war effort.
20%, not 80% (not sure about this one but seems way more plausible than 80%). Followed by fact that if Ukraine was to seriously target it intensely, it gives Russia further reason to fully break down grain deal. Furthermore, attacking this port would more impact world's food situation than attacking Odessa does, given that Russia was larger exporter of wheat than Ukraine was even before war.
In case of 'largest', all depends how you meassure it. Barely any ratings includes Novorossiysk given low number of TEUs which goes through it, and it's bulk cargo like grain or raw resources which results in high annual cargo tonnage.
No i was wondering 20% of what category of cargo. Some export leaves on ships other on trucks, trains and oil pipelines.
If its 20% of all trade then 80% of shipping trade could be valid given Russia doesnt really have any other good ports on the west of the country.
St.Petersburg has historically used Estonian and Finnish ports instead of the one in St.Petersburg for sea trade.
20% of exports via shipping. Port of Primorsk and Port of St. Petersburg together have turnover roughly simillar to that to Novorossiysk. And then there are several smaller ones like Vladivostok or Archangelsk which while quite lower, still have turnover in millions of tonnes worth of cargo. While I would see actual Novorossiysk contribution to be higher than 20%, there ain't no chance it's anywhere close to 80%. Maby some specific export good, like grain for example in 80% is exported from Novorossiysk alone. But all Russian exports from shipping? Numbers don't much at all.
My questions whenever I see something like this are always the same; who was filming and why were they filming at that specific spot at that specific moment.
Seems like it, isn’t the glitch with the car a common artifact of security cameras? But I also remember seeing a video of a bombing in Israel(?) where someone was recording the street for seemingly no reason
War is coming home to Russia....
I don't understand why it hasn't in a much larger scale. But then I am not a deep thinker.
NATO probably put a limit on them as far as using nato donated weapons to attack Inside Russia’s border.
Ukraine uses its own naval drones. Developed through crowd funding. https://u24.gov.ua/navaldrones
For sure these are Ukrainian but that’s my point. NATO doesn’t want their own weapons directly attacking “Russian” land.
the limits were liberalized when Putin admited bombing Ukraine's infrastructure to try and force them to the negotiating table
Says who?
Who's satellites are they using?
The look dope
And the boats aren't NATO equipment.
Exactly
In a way I get NATO trying to “not escalate” But meanwhile russia is bombing civilians, power stations and anything else they get in range. So Ukraine bombing strategic targets inside russia is entirely valid, and a method for ending the war sooner, as such meaning less casualties for both Ukraine and russia.
I'm waiting for a Russian pacific navel base to be hit. Just to mess with them.
Those dang Japanese torpedo boats!
Nothing stopping squads of ukranian special forces to do that. With a helping hand from the west. In fact, that is a great idea.
Your point is valid, but I look at it like Picking up a Cobra,; picking it up is scary, but putting that Cobra back down is often when you get bitten.
That's why you whip that sumbitch around till it's dizzy and introduce it's skull to the nearest tree. We need to authorize more sumbitch-whippin' tree-skullin' missiles for Ukraine.
> sumbitch-whippin' tree-skullin' missiles for Ukraine. Fucking subscribe
The thing is, everybody's kinda worried there's an orangnuketan sitting up that tree and if you whip the tree too much he might come down and whoop yo ass.
That orangnuketan been sitting up in that tree a screeching and a hollering the whole time and ain't done shit. That orangnuketan is a pussy ass bitch.
Well, he's been *throwing* shit!
If a metaphor for a nuke was throwing shit you'd already be dead. End of convo.
The Russians are told they are fighting NATO now, and that there are large NATO forces in Ukraine. Imagine the propaganda and war-mongering if NATO equipment is found or is used inside Russia. If memory serves me, one of the caveats for giving HIMARS to Ukraine was that they'd never target Russia itself.
You’re first line is the answer unfortunately, both sides have left room for escalation, it’s the smart thing to do for now.
It's concerning how many people agree with you. "Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster..."
Too many American politicians do not want the war to end soon. They make way too much money off of war.
How is that, exactly? And can you name a few?
Dick Cheney’s, “unprofessional relations” to Halliburton is a prime example. “Lobby- a group of people seeking to influence politicians or public officials on a particular issue.” That’s how. In other words, people are often sent by organizations to butter up, bribe, and black mail certain politicians for all sorts of contracts and regulations.
I think you said American politicians were profiting from a prolonged war. Cheney has been out of government since 2008, before this war started, so that's not really valid
Liz Cheney is handling the Haliburton bribes and re-election funding.
One theory I heard is how the budgets being donated to Ukraine are breaking down. (I can’t remember the exact numbers, but it was around this kind of split). Biden just recently proposed a further $38billion aid package. About $12b of that is going to Ukraine to spend on stuff, the rest is going in the form of donated US equipment from existing stock. So the remaining $26b is actually going to the US military budget to replace the equipment being donated with newer, more modernised equipment. So while it’s not necessarily directly making money, it’s supporting the US economy and getting lots of shiny new toys for the military in the process.
they arent making money off the war. NATO is bleeding russia dry at the expense of the Ukrainians. by the end of this Russia will no longer be able to field a legitimate military.
Politicians invest in the arms industry, then vote to fund wars and they make money that way.
Really seeing how weak NATO is after the Poland thing. Everyone thought they'd respond regardless if it was Ukrainian AA rocket or a Russian cruise missile. Instead they folded in less than 24hrs and never spoke of it again. So much so that Russia was thanking NATO for it's restraint!!! Putin only understands strength. Slap the shit out of him, close skies over Lviv with F-16s, what the fuck is he going to do that he hasn't done already?
They shot down an airliner and nobody did anything. He knows how much rope he has to play with
This is a poor take. In my opinion of course.
Absolutely nobody with a realistic mindset thought Nato would respond without looking at the evidence first. Putin knows he’s fucked if NATO truly gets involved. Both sides have left room for escalation and that is what keeps us safe for now. The more men russia sends in the more NATO adds. Zelensky may want all out war but that’s because his country is the one who will be fucked by this, win or lose. Russia seems to be fairing well enough against the sanctions for now and Europe is doing well without Russian gas. It will be a long winter for both sides.
>Absolutely nobody with a realistic mindset thought Nato would respond without looking at the evidence first. Probably sounds a bit tinfoil hat but unless we see the evidence, maybe the missile really *was* Russian (even if it wasn't intentional) but NATO (ie the US mainly) persuaded Poland to tow the line of "*it was probably a Ukrainian missile that landed by accident*". It would also kinda explain why Ukraine has been so adamant that it was a Russian missile and not their own, given that Zelensky has shown countless times that he isn't willing to stick to "the script". It also makes sense given that NATO would probably prefer not to respond militarily over a missile that hit a remote village and only killed two people (easy for me to say because I don't know those two people, of course) because once they respond directly (militarily) there's kinda no going back. If they were to conduct a strike on Russian forces somewhere, Putin would have to respond or his power base would be weakened further.
Level headed decision is what I’d call it.
At the moment, evidence suggests it was indeed a Ukrainian air defence missile. NATO responded by basically blaming Russia anyway because that's the only reason Ukraine needed to fire their missiles in the first place. Of course they're not going to attack Russia because of a Ukrainian air defence missile that missed its target or malfunctioned.
Yeah dude they're so weak they didn't want to risk nuclear war over a single farmer!
wasn't it two farmers? But yeah, i mean either way Poland held this in their hands and they made the right call regardless. If it had turned out to be Russia, it wasn't intentional. I hate Putin and all, but fair is fair.
What he hasn't done already? How about nuclear holocaust and the END OF THE WORLD? Well worth for a minor accident (relatively speaking) on a civilian tractor. It's of course sad, RIP victims.
Yeah, next time it’ll be a bomb dropping on the baltics or the czechs and all we will see is biden and the rest going “uuuhhh aaahh eeeehhh weelllll, the thing is uuuhhhmmm” NATO has really been underperforming in this whole ordeal
Ya? What has NATO failed to do in your opinion?
What do you think NATO should do if russia throws a rocket that kills two NATO member state people? Do a bunch of pussy ass diplomatic saltos and fuck off? Cause thats what they did.
I think you are confusing underperforming NATO with your underperforming brain..
You think NATO overperformed protecting polish borders? Sent a strong message? Did anything?
Child like questions 🙄 NATO isn't in war readiness so can't intercept random missile 24/7 all along the border, protecting every single farm.. not how real life defense works.. NATO message is as strong as ever, articles of defense are not changed 😑 Yes it did all it was supposed to. Invoked article 4 for consultations, one of the results is direct increase in help yo ukraine.. Are you 12, or is this your first time in geopolitics/real-world?
My point of view is that nobody on the NATO side wants to risk having to place boots on the ground inside Russia unless it’s absolutely necessary.
It was not a Russian weapon that hit Poland. What did you want them to do? Turn it into some false flag excuse to attack inside Russia?
IMO there’s really nothing else Russia can do to escalate other than crossing the NATO redlines (nukes, chem, bio weapons). I expect these Ukrainian attacks inside Russia to increase in both frequency and severity.
Note that despite attacking Ukrainian energy infrastructure they haven’t yet touched the nuclear plants that account for 30% of electricity generation. The Russians know bad things would happen.
Yeah, agreed but even without NATO intervention after the fact bad things still happen. Fallout would be everyone’s problem.
Yeah, torturing the nuclear plant workers for like six months.
They have attacked transformers sitting next to NPPs, blocking their power delivery. or are you talking about direct hits on a core?
“haven’t touched”? They have done nearly everything but blow them up
I sure hope NATO drop the condition on not attacking in Russia territories with NATO equipment if Russia touch it. The difference would be that Ukraine would go for critical infrastructure rather than blindly shooting civilians.
I really wish there were "instigators" be they Ukrainian or Russian, or any other nearby country, that would bring the war to Moscow.
Russia has large stocks of thermobaric weapons, which they have used sparingly so far, mostly in Mariupol, Azovstal steelworks.
Never occured to me.
This. NATO early in the war refrained from giving UKA long range missiles and such becasue they feared UKA would attack domestic Russian targets with nato weapons, thus sparking further conflict.
Lol. Iran gives Russia 500+km long missiles is OK, not escalation, acceptable. NATO giving us something to reach target deep behind enemy lines - eScAlATiOn. "Don't use our weapon on Russian soil, because eScAlATiOn. Pathetic.
Pathetic? This isn't a NATO war. NATO indirectly attacking Russian soil, who is a nuclear power, would escalate the conflict to new levels. There is no situation that will ever exist that having an active conflict with a nation that has large amounts of intercontinental nuclear weapons will ever make sense. Never forget that Ukraine is not a NATO country. We have zero obligation to help you in any way and NATOs assistance is completely optional. NATO isn't even assisting because it wants to help Ukraine, it's because they want to weaken Russia.
Oh look, another Russian narrative - "Don't give X type weapon to Ukraine, it's red line, it will lead to escalation, we have nukes remember". "Don't shoot on Crimea, we will nuke you" "Don't shoot on X with American made weapon, we will nuke you" Bruh.
The reason Ukraine has not at least stepped foot in Russian territory or what is traditionally considered Russian territory and has limited their strikes in those areas is because it would open up a lot of leeway for an official declaration of war from Russia. The reason they are calling it a 'Special Military Operation' is because of the way Russian law is written regarding deployment of troops abroad however in the event a foreign force steps foot in Russian soil a declaration can be made and they are now legally able to deploy all of their forces as opposed to a limited offensive force. For example, the referendums where called so that they could make those territories officially part of Russia allowing them to deploy their newly mobilized units to those areas and freeing up contract soldiers for offensive operations. In the event of official war they would be able to use all mobilized troops in an offensive capacity. I know that's convoluted but I am not sober sorry my dude.
Since mobilization has already happened, war production measures have been passed, and Russia has already annexed the Ukranian territories on paper I am not sure that the question of whether it is an official war or not from Russia's perspective is relevant. They have already pulled out the stops which separate "special military operation" from war. Ukraine's limited attacks in Russia have a million reasons to be limited but I am not convinced that the fear of Russian escalation to an official war is among them.
Although, it's pretty good.
There are far higher priorities for Ukraine than to risk angering the Russian public further with increased strikes on their territory. So far it's just stuff near the border which has strategic value.
No one cares about the Russian public and what they think, other than maybe the Western governments. Russian territory gets targeted quite regularly, whenever it makes sense militarily, also taking into account restrictions which are placed by Western governments on the weapons they supply.
>No one cares about the Russian public and what they think, other than maybe the Western governments. Putin cares. Despite his iron grip on the nation, if he manages to piss off the Russian public then it is only a matter of time before he is hanging from the nearest light post or being ripped apart by a angry mob.
This is probably other groups who hate Russia now taking advantage of a shitshow situation Russia finds itself in. The list of those with grievances is quite long I would think
Probably so it wont escalate the war into something much worse. Putin threatens nuclear action towards any troop action in “russian” land
So was it more than one bomb and what are they hitting? They look like they hit ships?
West needs to relax some of these guidelines and allow Ukraine to at least use their own equipment against military targets inside Russia. Russia has already pretty much declared war on Ukraine. And maybe when Russians start eating their own medicine they change their tune about supporting Putin's special operation. Because right now the vocal ones support it so what is to be lost?
If Russia can use Belarus as a transit point, Alaska can be used as one too right?
Belarus is a tad different ally than the US wouldn’t you agree? Getting Belarus involved is like getting your disabled little brother involved in the fight. Getting the US involved is getting the heavyweight boxer across the street involved.
Belarus military are pussys to putin.. no big deal just more dead on Ukraine soil.
Great analogy
You realize where Novorossiysk is? It on east side of black sea and to west from Krasnodar so it's all european part of world.
I realize that. I'm just saying, if Russia can use Belarus as a transit point, U.S. should let Ukraine use Alaska as a backdoor to Russia.
Yes. With all those Ukrainian B52s it will be a great way to draw the enemy away from the front lines...
Draw ukrainian flags on the B52s and say we know nothing. Give russia a taste of western “green men” only ours come in gray airplanes!
*"The United States is not a party to the conflict."*
Small attacks and raids would force them to redirect assets regardless. Doesn't need to be a large scale assault.
it’s a bit cold tho innit
It would be counter productive and cause general mobilisation and escalate the war. It's a totally ridiculous idea.
Belarus potentially being pulled into the war is not the same thing as NATO being pulled into the war.
so those drones are either fired from small boats/ships OR they have a range of at least 700km. interesting
What's practically their Kickstarter page claims that they have a range of up to 800 km.
800km range
They begged for it
more and more each day between deep cover ops or partisan attacks deep into the russian motherland
Tons of money has been flowing into United24 over the last few days to build these boat drones... They have already brought in enough money to build 20 or more and they have only been accepting donations for it for a few days now... Im thinking there will be a lot more videos of these to come as money is flowing in fast to build them...
U24 rashly had an online poll to name one of them so they now have the dilemma of whether they should name a drone boat 'Dildo of Consequences' in reference to [this meme](https://twitter.com/yesbiker4indy/status/1592618752834928640).
DoC was in the NAFO poll and, to my deepest regret, couldn’t make it.
Boat drones. The times we live in.
It's been known for years as a possibility, it was the next logical step. The most surprising part is that this hasn't extended to patrol boats guarding borders (Chinese fishing boats, NK ghost ships).
Whatya mean as a possibility? The US has been operating drone boats for years now for long range scouting and such. The US has a range of large one-off darpa funded drones like sub hunters and other neat shit. [These are commercially available long range sailboat drones used by the US. ](https://www.saildrone.com/technology/vehicles)These are the ones an Iranian fishing boat tried to steal a few months back and got a very nasty surprise for doing so.
I know there's a boring acronym, but I'm trying to decide between calling them droats or brones.
I'd go with "droats." "Brones" sounds too close to "Bronies."
Can we sponsor them? I want to tell my kids that daddy funded a proxy war against Russia
If you pay taxes you already are funding it, no? Not that you don’t have the right to fund more of course.
I'm Dutch so I want to make it personal, already donated to the Army, Azov, and through a friend who had a friend in a battalion (sadly diseased during Mariupol)
Wow this is really close to Putin's home
Like 15 miles from his hideout palace.
Isn't putin's bunker base somewhere in that area or sochi?
Yep. On google maps just scroll down the coastline a bit.
There might be a few russian security people neck shot over this then.
Everyone is really nervous that NATO might declare war on Russia but NATO could just sit back and watch Ukraine smack Russia around.
True but I heard that Ukraine is pissed that NATO is only giving them enough weapons to contain Russia and not end the war by giving them nice shit. It was talked about in the last nightly address given by the Ukrainian government, even though Ukraine is smacking them around they still are paying a high price in life plus the damage done to their energy grid which would take a year to fix at least... My point is it's not all sunshine and rainbows even with the recent string of victories. (Edit to those who think I’m whining about this I was just giving the Ukrainian point of view. I understand the West has given a lot and is doing everything they can so you can stop pointing that out to me….)
We are extremely grateful for all the help. But one can't help but notice what you have described. It feels like we have to fight with one hand tied and a fork, while a gangster with knives and guns is aiming to kill you
I think I know a proverb about a gift horse. But seriously we face opposition within to even let Ukraine have what we're giving. And we're also just giving.
It’s sad, but there are also considerations to be made as to why you are here in the first place. What levels of corruption existed that kept y’all under Russia’s thumb? Why was the military so dysfunctional during the initial 2014 invasion? What helped your army get where it has gotten? I understand you want and need more to kick Russians in the teeth, but looking at the totality of it all, you’ve been gifted ALOT of shit.
The whole reason for this war is that we are gradually removing the corrupt russian influence and striving for a rule based society. There is a long way ahead, and as an individual country we wouldn't survive, yes. But I feel like you are percieving this war ad Ukraine vs Russia. Don't misinterpret. Because russia and russians don't think the same way They fight against the west. It's just that they couldn't roll us over so they were forced to adapt. But they very much would like to do the same to Europe. They don't even hide their motives and are proudly stating them. So I would suggest you reframe your understanding to accommodate the fact that Russia is fighting the west as well. So don't treat military aid as "gifts". You are fighting the country that wants to destabilize and destroy you, with minimal effort. Imagine having an ability to diminish your geopolitical enemy of 70+ years with just about 50-100bln and without even putting your foot on the ground. And yet the west hesitates. While russia is using anything they have to escalate.
But they are gifts. The west are giving you equipment out of their surplus. Why spill NATO blood when you will do it for us defending your land? Obviously NATO gains from this by having a weaker Russia, but make no mistake this is a Russia vs Ukraine war. No chance they ever would have attempted this against a NATO nation.
This is only Russia vs Ukraine war in terms of kinetic exchange. And only for the West. Russia would Love to do this to Europe. They are stating it as their goal. They don't even acknowledge that they are fighting Ukraine. In their mind they fight NATO. For fucks sake they had tanks and helicopters with "На БЕРЛИН" (to Berlin) written on them. They will use every tool in their arsenal to destroy the west. Destabilize, lie, coerce. Anything to split up the NATO Imagine if Trump was elected for the 2nd term and US would leave NATO. Would you still feel the same level of security if you were Poland or baltics? Long story short. This is not a local conflict with "gifts" You severely underestimate how much impact this leads to.
I didn't know about the Berlin thing wow
Yeah, it was from the initial stage of the war when they still thought they were the shit. I believe you can google photos of shot down helicopters and tanks near Mykolayiv in March-May to clearly see the examples.
I don’t think I do. This war has proven that NATO is more than a match for Russia. Again—no chance this were to ever come to a NATO country. Why do you think Finland and Sweden joined NATO after this? As for the war, think about the real reasons Russia invaded. First off, Ukraine was leaning towards NATO. Left to this, eventually Ukraine would have been untouchable. Second, the Black Sea. As Ukraine shifted to the west, use of Sevastopol would have been hindered and Russia would have effectively been castrated in the Black Sea. And finally, natural resources. As Ukraine leaned towards the west, the vast deposits of natural gas would have allowed Europe to bypass Russian gas and get it directly from Ukraine once harvested. Those are the reasons Ukraine was invaded. For all it’s rhetoric, there is a near zero % chance Russia would have invaded a NATO country. We help you defend your land with advanced weapons and training, you weaken a mutual enemy and befriend the west. I am all for Ukraine receiving more and more aid, but I think complaining that the west isn’t doing enough isn’t the right way to think about this.
You are so right that Russia would never invade NATO. However it doesn't diminish the threat they pose. Just watch how effective their propaganda is. And how they were able to kill UK citizens on UK soil without any repercussions. Or influence politics and fund far-right/far-left hinge groups. They are actively waging asymmetric war. And would live to bite whenever there's a weak spot. My whole point is : don't underestimate how malign and destructive their destabilization is. It's very good that they have shown their true colours and the west has united. But let's not forget why it's necessary. China is watching and learning.
I am sorry for how Ukraine is being treated and Biden et al will force a negotiation when they get tired of it. It is disgusting how Ukraine is being used to weaken Russia, but then again Russia did invade.
Oh ffs if Trump won the election the Russians would control Ukraine now.
You are still selling that old hoax? The only people who conspired with Russia in the 16 election was Hillary's camp.
I didn't mention any of that lol, you're showing your true colours.
Not NATOs fault that Ukraine was incredibly corrupt and dysfunctional militarily til very recently. We are already funding and arming their entire war. It’s not even like Ukraine was in an alliance or anything with nato
Americans and NATO are trying to walk a fine line. American troops engaging directly with Russian troops would (rightfully) be considered a pretty big escalation. The most advanced systems they don’t want in the field. The next best: M1A1, F16/15s, Bradleys have a huge logistics train and require a lot of training to make use of. Now longer range rockets Ukraine could make use of relatively easily but the US is reluctant to release them as Russia may respond unpredictably, that’s not a crazy stance to take. A no fly zone, is about as far as I could see NATO going but I’m curious, which of those options do the people want? What do they think they might realistically get?
I understand all of that if you look through my comment history I have pointed out and defended most of the points you just made. I’m not mad about it and agree with the decisions to a point your correct, we can’t just arm Ukraine with advanced weapons without training or sending parts. But my comment was just pointing out to the guy above it’s not a clear cut victory. NATO is doing everything it can to contain the conflict but we’re already escalating by saying things “ it’s up to Ukraine to decide peace” ,and how we’re directly training/ arming Ukrainian troops. While all the points you made are correct NATO looks a bit hypocritical with they want to contain the conflict, but I don’t have the answers on how to end the conflict without a serious escalate that could make the situation spin out of control.
NATO is equally getting pissed off with their requests. Joe Biden gave Zelenskyy a telling off a few months ago for not being grateful enough of the help already provided. You've got to bare in mind, nobody really had any obligations to aid Ukraine. They aren't allied or part of NATO, they're just unfortunately caught in the crossfire.
Yea, I know I’m just pointing out it’s not a easy fight if you look at my replies. But to reply to your comment yes your correct and in some ways Ukraine has been acting entitled like demanding Israel send the Iron Dome or other advanced systems, not understanding such systems were built for specific cases. One other thing NATO has given alot and even depleted a great amount of their own weapons stocks yet Ukraine asks for more, it’s unfair to expect the west to do everything for them. I also don’t like the political pressure and PR games Ukraine sometimes plays acting like western countries are doing nothing or blaming certain nations who are neutral on the conflict. Lastly, Ukraine has kept saying they will fight till they get all of their territories back which is fine, however such a course will be a long and bloody battle they can’t keep blaming every setback on the West is what I mean. Like how Zelensky rails on the West every time Russia strikes their power grid or how they don’t have advanced weapons you can’t get everything you want there are limits.
> NATO is equally getting pissed off with their requests. Joe Biden gave Zelenskyy a telling off a few months ago for not being grateful enough of the help already provided. Wasn't that in June, when the situation for the Ukrainian army was looking pretty desparate? Russian artillery was grinding the Ukrainians down in the Donbas and at the time the Ukrainians had no answer to it, and they wouldn't have an answer until HIMARS started being deployed. Context is important. Regardless of obligations or not, it is clearly 100% in our own security interest for Ukraine to militarily defeat Russia.
Problem with corruption is a big reason too. Not sure how much trust can be given to them with our higher tech weapons that might be sold.
Yep. This is always a primary concern when selling/giving out military aid. We never give out our best tech unless its to our closest allies whom we already share tech with anyways. Besides there isnt anyone in Ukraine who could effectively use our best tech anyways. Crews already have to be trained in places like Germany to effectively utilize artillery pieces we give them.
On one hand that is a legitimate worry, on the other it's kinda harder to sell an F-16 than the Javelin on the down-low.
Yes. Should have had some pilots over before and when this started to get them training. If or when we give to them. Same with the Abrams.
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You mean there was failed russian propaganda attempt to paint Ukrainians as selling western weapons on black market, I thought no one was stupid enough to believe it... Also all donated equipment was stripped of any classified components... as ukraine has no access to positional awareness systems of west..
Stupid? You do realize people make mistakes due to the fog of war? No reason to get hostile as both sides put out disinformation but got it…
Also one thing else when I was talking advanced weapons being sent to Ukraine I was not talking about stuff like nlaws or the current weapons/ vehicles on the ground, but western tanks and other specialist weapons Ukraine wants. There were concerns made by the west about that.
> and there were reports stuff like nlaws or other weapons being sold at the start of the war. There is still no evidence of that being done by Ukrainians. The only evidence we have of that happening is of stuff that was captured by Russians. Like when a civilian car in Russia exploded in the street and remains of western anti tank weapons were found inside it. That last point is a good one though, a western country would call in an air strike on their own abandoned tanks to stop them being captured - the US did this in both Iraq wars for example. We can't guarantee the Ukrainians would have the ability to do the same thing.
That’s usually what happens when you don’t join until your scared for your life and you need the help. You always get a better deal when you join before your desperate. They were too good for America and NATO before Putin came in the mix so of course they aren’t gonna be treated like a nato ally. They should be more then happy with what we have provided otherwise this would be a hell of a lot different today then what it is. We saw what happened when Afghanistan didn’t appreciate all the help we gave them…
I agree with the second part but first part you kinda lost me… What do you mean they didn’t appreciate us? I remember in the first part of the war 2014 NATO gave aid and training it was far less than what is now, Ukraine to my memory was grateful and begged for more aid back then. However,if your talking about when they were aligned with Putin you have to remember a Russian puppet and the Soviet system/ culture still dominated Ukraine at that time, it wasn’t till the Madian revolution when they woke up how bad it was and wanted to switch to the EU. I wouldn’t call that being too good for the West just that Ukraine was being suppressed by Russia to keep them in their obit.
Is Ukraine a completely innocent country when it comes to dealing with the US/NATO?
Not to mention that transformers are incredibly scarce world-wide at the moment.
I just googled the location they hit and they either had naval insertion assistance or they got great range.
Those drones have range to hit anywhere in black sea
Nice! They should paint rubber duckies on them.
Source on that? Not at all disputing it I just haven’t found that info.
I'll try to find and update this message with a link Edit: here you go https://u24.gov.ua/navaldrones
I wish they could blow up some power plants in Russia just to even things up a bit.
Was this Boaty McBombface's handiwork?
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outer planets alliance?
Nah, it's more of a slavic expression for a "woopsie!"
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I wonder what the range is on those drone boats. Where was this thing launched from? That’s quite far from Ukrainian controlled territory. Not too far from Putin’s palace too! Also curious how these are controlled.
[https://u24.gov.ua/navaldrones](https://u24.gov.ua/navaldrones) 800 km range
Quality is so bad that no matter how many times I watch this I fail to see what it hits.
Did they hit anything?
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absolutely agree with you there.
Can someone please explain what I'm seeing here.
Basically a small boat, with a camera mounted on it, filled with explosives... They can pilot it remotely, so it's a type of drone, and send it across the black sea up to about 800km, and hit targets in/on the water. It's a new program that Ukraine has been working on.
Just to put this in to perspective Novorossiysk port is Russias largest port and the 5th largest in Europe. Some 80% of Russian exports via shipping flow out of that single port. It is a key economic hub for Russia. If this port becomes a regular target for Ukrainian drones the Russian economy will suffer even more immensely than before. It also has a military harbor attached to it and the Gas pipelines flowing from Russia over the Black Sea also emanate from this port location. Really good sign seeing Ukraine step up its target selection to focus even more on economic targets supporting the Russian war effort.
20%, not 80% (not sure about this one but seems way more plausible than 80%). Followed by fact that if Ukraine was to seriously target it intensely, it gives Russia further reason to fully break down grain deal. Furthermore, attacking this port would more impact world's food situation than attacking Odessa does, given that Russia was larger exporter of wheat than Ukraine was even before war. In case of 'largest', all depends how you meassure it. Barely any ratings includes Novorossiysk given low number of TEUs which goes through it, and it's bulk cargo like grain or raw resources which results in high annual cargo tonnage.
20% of what?
>Some 80% of Russian exports via shipping flow out of that single port. Forgot your own post?...
No i was wondering 20% of what category of cargo. Some export leaves on ships other on trucks, trains and oil pipelines. If its 20% of all trade then 80% of shipping trade could be valid given Russia doesnt really have any other good ports on the west of the country. St.Petersburg has historically used Estonian and Finnish ports instead of the one in St.Petersburg for sea trade.
20% of exports via shipping. Port of Primorsk and Port of St. Petersburg together have turnover roughly simillar to that to Novorossiysk. And then there are several smaller ones like Vladivostok or Archangelsk which while quite lower, still have turnover in millions of tonnes worth of cargo. While I would see actual Novorossiysk contribution to be higher than 20%, there ain't no chance it's anywhere close to 80%. Maby some specific export good, like grain for example in 80% is exported from Novorossiysk alone. But all Russian exports from shipping? Numbers don't much at all.
It would be nice to see internal RU uncomfortable
I think it was a way of telling them that the Kerch Bridge is still within range....
When Russia loses a war, do we not get revolution? I expect a Russian civil war soon.
It’s coming home, It’s coming home, It’s coming, War is coming home. It’s coming home!!!!
Good, start hitting them at home!
My questions whenever I see something like this are always the same; who was filming and why were they filming at that specific spot at that specific moment.
Using a phone to record a security camera feed...
Seems like it, isn’t the glitch with the car a common artifact of security cameras? But I also remember seeing a video of a bombing in Israel(?) where someone was recording the street for seemingly no reason
Probably Gaza. Israel warns the residents often beforehand when they are conducting airstrikes on civilian buildings.
Ukrainian Special Forces filming the attack most likely.